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Classic Train Questions Part Deux (50 Years or Older)

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Posted by FlyingCrow on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:58 PM

I'll throw a hint.     Let us say that the late Charles Winters was an expert on this road.

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Posted by rcdrye on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:29 PM

Is it the long gone Fort Smith and Western? Once you get much to the west of it there's not much along the 35th parallel that hasn't already been dismissed as the answer.

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Posted by KCSfan on Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:43 AM

Given the Charles Winters clue I'm certain Rob is correct in naming the Ft. Smith & Western.

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Posted by FlyingCrow on Wednesday, September 26, 2012 8:00 PM

Rob WINS!      Mr. Winters was very kind to me years ago and presented me with a copy of every FS&W photo he had.     

Go , Rob!!  Cool

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Posted by rcdrye on Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:41 AM

This company's Alco RS1, later re-engined by EMD, was originally equipped with trolley poles.

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:49 AM

Western Pacific, for use on trackage shared by the Sacrmento Northen and/or Central California trackage, both owned by WP and  both employing trolley contactor signals on certain trackage (Nachod signals).

 

Others would be the Pacific Electric or the Illinois Terminal, but I think WP is correct.   The latter two also had diesels equipped with trolley poles, for the same reason, but I don't think they had an Alco reengined by EMD.

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Posted by rcdrye on Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:27 AM

Well, this railroad actually interchanged with WP, but wasn't owned by it like SN.  All of SN's signal installations, both on WP shared track and SN-only track, used 25 hz vane relays in otherwise normal track circuit signalling (WP And SN shared a fair amount of track in the Marysville/Yuba City area.) PE had some Baldwin switchers, and even a couple of borrowed SP steam engines that had poles for signal contactors.  IT was mostly manual block, and didn't use trolley contactors.  IT's diesels that had poles were dual power.

This engine was allocated by the WPB in 1943 for troop train movements, and had a train-heating boiler.

Like the WP, and the SN (and for that matter the PE) this road eventually ended up as prt of the UP.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:20 AM

The road in question is at the other end of the WP, and was the Bamberger.  Bamberger RS1 570 was re-powered with a 567 engine while still owned by Bamberger.  It later became UP 1270 when Bamberger was absorbed by UP.

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Posted by rcdrye on Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:46 AM

Your question, CSSHegewisch !

The poles, like the ones PE used, were for Nachod signals, which counted "poles in" and "poles out" to allow use of single track segments.  Lines like Illinois Terminal didin't like them because they didn't work well with dual poles.  Some street systems that used them also operated MU, and used jumpers instead of the pole on the second car.  SN used pans on freight engines which didn't work with the contacts.

The Nachod actuator was different from the electric switch selector, which activated power switches based on whether the passing car was drawing power or not. Key system had special overhead setups where the transbay services shared track with streetcars so that the transbay cars' pans wouldn't  contact  the switch selectors.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, September 28, 2012 10:09 AM

We're all fairly familiar with the fact that the Insull interests owned and operated a fair number of interurban railroads.  Which steam road was part of the Insull empire?

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Posted by henry6 on Friday, September 28, 2012 10:39 AM

EJ&E

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, September 28, 2012 1:58 PM

Definitely not, EJ&E was a US Steel road.

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Posted by FlyingCrow on Friday, September 28, 2012 8:11 PM

Chicago & Illinois Midland

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Saturday, September 29, 2012 6:53 AM

We have a winner!!  FlyingCrow, you get the next question.

Incidentally, C&IM remained under Commonwealth Edison ownership until relatively recently, when it was sold to Genessee & Wyoming and was renamed Illinois & Midland.

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Posted by FlyingCrow on Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:34 PM

This railroad basically paralleled one of FRISCO's routes.   While not really part of the FRISCO, eventually some of its track and alignment became the FRISCO while FRISCO trackage was abandoned.

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Posted by KCSfan on Monday, October 1, 2012 10:26 AM

Alabama Tennessee & Northern is the most likely possibility that comes to my mind. It parallelled the Fricso's line to Mobile and was bought by the Frisco in the late 40's IIRC and later merged into their system.

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Posted by Deggesty on Monday, October 1, 2012 1:14 PM

Mark, until the AT&N was pretty well dismantled, it was the Frisco's entry into Mobile, first from Aliceville until the bridge across the Tombigbee river fell in just after a southbound freight crossed it (I talked with the conductor who was on that train and watched the bridge collapse--it was a frightening thing), and then through an interchange with the AGS at Boligee and down to York, from whence the AT&N rails carried the trains down to Mobile. After this reroute, the Frisco crews wanted to take the trains to York, but the AT&N crews won out.

I regret that I never asked to ride from Aliceville to Mobile; I think permission would have been granted, had I asked before the AT&N was wholly absorbed by the Frisco.

My guess is the MKT, between KC and Dallas-Fort Worth.

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Posted by FlyingCrow on Monday, October 1, 2012 7:10 PM

Welcome home, Johnny.     Wow.    You'll feel better with your "stuff" about you.

Nice narrative on the AT&N but.....nope on all accounts so far.

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Posted by KCSfan on Tuesday, October 2, 2012 4:41 AM

Kansas Oklahoma & Gulf - just a SWAG.

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Posted by FlyingCrow on Tuesday, October 2, 2012 7:52 PM

And a swag it is, Mark!    Far be it from me to wear out my welcome; however.    Therefore it is:

HINT O'CLOCK

Whistling

"Kansas City" appears in the RR name.


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Posted by rcdrye on Tuesday, October 2, 2012 8:31 PM

So.. Reading from west to east.. Kansas City, Fort Scott and Memphis ?

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Posted by FlyingCrow on Wednesday, October 3, 2012 7:39 PM

The KC, FS & M, or the Memphis Route, was the predecessor of FRISCO's "Northern" Division...but NOT what I'm looking for.  

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Posted by KCSfan on Thursday, October 4, 2012 12:58 PM

Kansas City Clinton & Springfield. At 12:01 (am) O'clock on Dec.1, 1924 the KCC&S was absorbed into the Frisco System and lost it's identity.

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Posted by FlyingCrow on Thursday, October 4, 2012 7:31 PM

Stick out tongue Stick out tongue Stick out tongue Bow

Mark...you are IT!!!!   Proceed.

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Posted by KCSfan on Friday, October 5, 2012 9:03 AM

The Plainsman was the name of the only passenger train operated by a certain shortline railroad. What railroad ran this train and between what cities or towns did it run?

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Posted by rcdrye on Saturday, October 6, 2012 7:05 AM

Was this the all-Texas Quanah Acme and Pacific's train from Quanah TX (SLSF) to Floydada TX (ATSF)? 

The Rock Island named the Twin Cities- KC stub of the Twin Star Rocket the Plainsman in the late 1960s, but that's not a short line and less than 50 years ago.

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Posted by KCSfan on Saturday, October 6, 2012 11:14 AM

Good call Rob. I thought this would be a toughie but you've got both the RR, QA&P, and the route right so the next question is yours.

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Posted by rcdrye on Saturday, October 6, 2012 12:47 PM

This public transit operator had a streetcar line with a switchback in the middle, that was replaced by a trackless trolley.  In a twist, some trackless trolley operations of a succesor were replaced (in the less than 50 year past) with streetcars (from the more than 50 year past) furnished in the name of the original operator.  Name the city, the operator, and at least one of the streets.

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Posted by narig01 on Monday, October 8, 2012 10:35 PM

rcdrye

This public transit operator had a streetcar line with a switchback in the middle, that was replaced by a trackless trolley.  In a twist, some trackless trolley operations of a succesor were replaced (in the less than 50 year past) with streetcars (from the more than 50 year past) furnished in the name of the original operator.  Name the city, the operator, and at least one of the streets.

San Franciso's Market St Ry. After being taken over by Muni the # 8 Market St route was replaced with trackless trolley.  Then in the 1990's(I think) the # 8 route was replaced by the F route run with historical streetcars. 

         I do not remember a switchback operation though. But considering some of San Francisco's eclectic operations I would not be surprised about a switchback. 

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Posted by rcdrye on Tuesday, October 9, 2012 8:01 PM

The line with the switchback was the 33 (18th and Park) which was converted under Market St Railway ownership (I believe it was the first T-bus line in SF).  Muni 33 buses still negotiate the tricky curve.  MSRy kept a series of "bowling alley" cars just for this line unitl around 1933.

 

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