The Missouri-Kansas-Texas Railroad of Texas was a subsidiary of the MIssouri-Kansas-Texas formed to satisfy the Texas corporation laws which specified that any railroad doing business in Texas had to be headquartered in that state. This same law was the reason for the T&NO on the SP and the SL-SF of Texas on the Frisco.
The MKTT, to my knowledge, did not operate outside the state of Texas, and it has a separate listing in the March, '56. Official Guide.
That information, plus 75 cents, will let you make a local call from any phone booth in the state of Georgia.
Bob Hanson
Bob and Flying Crow,
You are both right about the Katy's Komet and Klipper in the 1950's and perhaps even during the late "40's. I have a 1954 OG which lists the named Katy freights at that time.
1) The Komet, train #81 (southbound) and #'s80-280-270 (northbound) running between St.L and San Antonio, Houston and Galveston.
2) The Komet, train #'s281-81 (southbound) and #'s80-280-270 (northbound) running between KC and San Antonio, Houston and Galveston.
3) The Klipper, train #75 running from St.L to San Antonio, Houston and Galveston and #'s275-81 from KC to the same Texas cities.
4) The Bullet, train #'s72-272 running from San Antonio, Houston and Galveston to both St. L and KC.
5) The Packer, train #74 running from Ft. Worth to St.L and #74-274 from Ft. Worth to KC.
I should have been more specific in my original question which was meant to be about the Komet service when the Katy first started it the '30's.
Mark
Mark, if it's up to me I check to either you or Bob Hanson to ask the next question. If that's the protocol. I'm kinda jammed up right now with the membership stuff for our historical society. Bob knows... 4th quarter issue of Lines South is due !
thanks
Take it away Bob. I don"t have a question ready plus I've asked more than my share of them lately. I'll defer to you and look forward to seeing what you offer up.
You ask this one, Mark. I asked a question just a few days ago.
Go for it, Mark!
"After you, Dear Alphonse."
"No, after you, Dear Gaston."
Johnny
Mark, if you'd ask the question you'd be doing me a favor. I'm preparing to work a railroad memorabilia show and will be unable to spend much time for the next few days monitoring the responses.
So, if you will, please ask a question.
Thanks!
Bob
Still waiting for a question, Mark!
Sorry to be so late in asking a question but I've been away from the computer for a while and didn't realize the buck had been passed back to me.
In the mid-'50s if you lived in a town where they "still flew old glory at the courthouse" and "white lightning was the biggest thrill of all" you might have ridden the gas electric motor cars of a certain railroad. This road was one of three allied railroads which operated under separate names but shared common officers. The combined mileage of the three roads totalled nearly 800 miles in four states. What were the names of the railroads, which one still had passenger service, and between what points did its motors run?
I don't know their exact names but they were collectively referred to as the "Muskogee Roads" but were controlled out of the Northeastern U.S. - Philadelphia, perhaps?
One of the roads probably had a doodlebug that went to Fort Smith, AK.
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Al,
You are real warm but off a bit on your info. Keep trying.
KCSfan Al, You are real warm but off a bit on your info. Keep trying. Mark
Heck, Mark, I couldn't even have hazarded my bad guess withouth knowing about the Merle Haggard song.
Someone will come across--eventually
The "Muskogee Roads" consisted of the Kansas, Oklahoma & Gulf; Oklahoma City-Ada-Atoka; and the Midland Valley. The MV had the passenger service.
FlyingCrow The "Muskogee Roads" consisted of the Kansas, Oklahoma & Gulf; Oklahoma City-Ada-Atoka; and the Midland Valley. The MV had the passenger service.
Flying Crow you've got the three RR's right and can ask the next question. However my OG's of that time show the MV and OCAA as freight only. An Oakie from Muskogee could, however, still ride a gas electric motor of the KO&G from there to Denison, TX.
I'm chewing over my options and a new question will be posted soonest!!
AB, I like your Avatar. I still recall, fondly, the first KCS passenger train I saw--the southbound Southern Belle as it was stopped in Baton Rouge one morning in the summer of 1953.
Thanks for the compliment..... since it's my turn. Ok, here’s a bit of a different question…one that deals with music…and trains, of course.
WC Handy’s “Yellow Dog Blues”
“…Dear Sue, your easy rider struck this burg today, on a southbound rattler beside the Pullman car. I seem him there and he was on the hog. Oh you easy rider’s got to stay away. She had to vamp it but the hike ain’t far. He’s gone where the Southern cross the Yellow Dog.”
Just interpreting the lyrics would be a challenge enough, but that’s not the question. The question is:
(a) What’s the “Yellow Dog”?
(b) Where does the “Southern” cross the Yellow Dog”?
(c) The “Southern” what - and In “recent” times the “Southern” is better known as ….?
Enjoy
The "Yellow Dog" was the Yazoo Delta Railway, later Yazoo & Mississippi Valley, still later, Illinois Central.
The Southern crossed the Yellow Dog at Moorhead, Mississippi.
The "Southern" in in this song was The Southern Railway in Mississippi which became the Columbus & Greenville Railway in 1920. It was spun off by parent Southern Railway in 1921.
Bob Hanson, Loganville, GA
Take it away Bob...I didn't think this was well known but very good.
By the way, Moorhead is the home town of the best man at my wedding...he used to play the recording of the Handy blues tune for me all the time.
Next quesiton please
Sorry for the delay. For some reason I didn't receive the acknowledgement that my answer was correct and therfore didn't know that the ball was in my court.
In the late 1800's there existed a railroad, approximately 450 miles in length, that operated three divisions of three different gauges.
1. What was the railroad?
2. What were the end points of this main line?
3. What were the three gauges?
Again, sorry for the delay.
Is it North American?
Yes.
It is - or was, anyway - a US road that became part of a much larger system prior to the turn of the 20th century. The troublesome t division-three gauges problem had been resolved prior to that time.
The previous post should read, "The troublesome three division-three gauges problem had been resolved prior to that time."
I omitted several letters in the original. I can think faster than I can type.
AWP290 The previous post should read, "The troublesome three division-three gauges problem had been resolved prior to that time." I omitted several letters in the original. I can think faster than I can type. Bob Hanson
Was it the old 'Norfolk Southern,' which literally did run to the south of Norfolk (VA), but had ceased to exist before the 1982 N&W/Southern Rwy. merger creating the 'new' NS?
I'm not doing something right, here. I responded to this answer last evening and for some reason it didn't show up.
No, it was not the "old" Norfolk Southern. Unless I'm mistaken, the old NS was not formed until the early 20th century.
The road I have in mind was formed in 1881, was controlled from the get-go by a larger road, and both roads - parent and subsidiary - were absorbed into a much larger system prior to the turn of the 20th century.
Sorry for the delay. As I said, I responded, but the good Lord only knows what part of cyberspace it went to.
The old Norfolk Southern was merge back in the 1970's in Southern Railway. Southern Railway was a part owner of this road. Their equipment was the same equipment that Southern used since the 1920's.
Bob.... has anyone answered your question correctly yet? It's got me stumped without cheating and digging out all the OG's and such.
No. I think everyone got overstuffed with turkey on Thanksgiving and went to sleep.
I'm surprised that this is giving everyone so much trouble.
Bob, was it the Plant System which at one time had 5ft, Stamdard and 3ft gauge lines in its family of roads. The Plant System of course became a part of the ACL around the turn of the century.
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