The HE&WT is the right road so light up a cigar and ask the next question Mike. It ran from Houston to the LA-TX state line at Logansport, LA where it connected with the affiliated H&S.
Mark
Houston East & West Texas Railway and its Louisiana affiliate connected Houston and Shreveport, originally by a track of 3-foot gauge. Completed in 1886, converted to standard gauge in 1894, bought by Southern Pacific in1899.
Mike
No, Dave, it wasn't the RGS or any other Colorado road for that matter. Try again.
Rio Grande Southern to Telluride ("To hell you ride") from Durango or from Gunnison(?)
What railroad was dubbed "Hell either way taken (or travelled)" by its passengers? What were the end point terminals of the road?
Looks like we've stalled on this one.
The answer is the Georgia Pacific Railway. In the 1880's it operated three divisions of three different gauges. Atlanta to Birmingham was 5' gauge, Birmingham to Columbus, MS, was 4' 8 1/2", and Columbus to Greenville, MS, was 3' gauge.
Mark, you came as close as anyone on this. Please ask the next question.
Bob Hanson, Loganville, GA
Mark -
First, you can't always believe Wikipedia, as anyone, with or without expertise, can add to or delete information.
The Plant System was just that - a system of several railroads. The line I have in mind was one company, one railroad, with three divisions of three different gauges. The divisions did connect, however, and form one continuous line of railroad something over 400 miles in length.
Bob Hanson
Bob,
If you can believe Wikipedia, the Plant System bought the 5ft gauge Brunswick and Western in 1884 and didn't convert it to standard gauge until 1886. There may have been other roads that came into the Plant fold and remained broad gauge for a while until converted to standard.
No, Mark, but that is a good guess.
The situation I have in mind (three gauges) was on one railroad. The Plant System may have had three gauges but on different railroads. I'm not certain that they had 5' and 4' 8/12" gauges at the same time. Maybe someone can tell us for certain.
Bob, was it the Plant System which at one time had 5ft, Stamdard and 3ft gauge lines in its family of roads. The Plant System of course became a part of the ACL around the turn of the century.
No. I think everyone got overstuffed with turkey on Thanksgiving and went to sleep.
I'm surprised that this is giving everyone so much trouble.
Bob.... has anyone answered your question correctly yet? It's got me stumped without cheating and digging out all the OG's and such.
The old Norfolk Southern was merge back in the 1970's in Southern Railway. Southern Railway was a part owner of this road. Their equipment was the same equipment that Southern used since the 1920's.
I'm not doing something right, here. I responded to this answer last evening and for some reason it didn't show up.
No, it was not the "old" Norfolk Southern. Unless I'm mistaken, the old NS was not formed until the early 20th century.
The road I have in mind was formed in 1881, was controlled from the get-go by a larger road, and both roads - parent and subsidiary - were absorbed into a much larger system prior to the turn of the 20th century.
Sorry for the delay. As I said, I responded, but the good Lord only knows what part of cyberspace it went to.
AWP290 The previous post should read, "The troublesome three division-three gauges problem had been resolved prior to that time." I omitted several letters in the original. I can think faster than I can type. Bob Hanson
The previous post should read, "The troublesome three division-three gauges problem had been resolved prior to that time."
I omitted several letters in the original. I can think faster than I can type.
Was it the old 'Norfolk Southern,' which literally did run to the south of Norfolk (VA), but had ceased to exist before the 1982 N&W/Southern Rwy. merger creating the 'new' NS?
Yes.
It is - or was, anyway - a US road that became part of a much larger system prior to the turn of the 20th century. The troublesome t division-three gauges problem had been resolved prior to that time.
Is it North American?
Sorry for the delay. For some reason I didn't receive the acknowledgement that my answer was correct and therfore didn't know that the ball was in my court.
In the late 1800's there existed a railroad, approximately 450 miles in length, that operated three divisions of three different gauges.
1. What was the railroad?
2. What were the end points of this main line?
3. What were the three gauges?
Again, sorry for the delay.
Next quesiton please
Take it away Bob...I didn't think this was well known but very good.
By the way, Moorhead is the home town of the best man at my wedding...he used to play the recording of the Handy blues tune for me all the time.
The "Yellow Dog" was the Yazoo Delta Railway, later Yazoo & Mississippi Valley, still later, Illinois Central.
The Southern crossed the Yellow Dog at Moorhead, Mississippi.
The "Southern" in in this song was The Southern Railway in Mississippi which became the Columbus & Greenville Railway in 1920. It was spun off by parent Southern Railway in 1921.
Thanks for the compliment..... since it's my turn. Ok, here’s a bit of a different question…one that deals with music…and trains, of course.
WC Handy’s “Yellow Dog Blues”
“…Dear Sue, your easy rider struck this burg today, on a southbound rattler beside the Pullman car. I seem him there and he was on the hog. Oh you easy rider’s got to stay away. She had to vamp it but the hike ain’t far. He’s gone where the Southern cross the Yellow Dog.”
Just interpreting the lyrics would be a challenge enough, but that’s not the question. The question is:
(a) What’s the “Yellow Dog”?
(b) Where does the “Southern” cross the Yellow Dog”?
(c) The “Southern” what - and In “recent” times the “Southern” is better known as ….?
Enjoy
AB, I like your Avatar. I still recall, fondly, the first KCS passenger train I saw--the southbound Southern Belle as it was stopped in Baton Rouge one morning in the summer of 1953.
Johnny
I'm chewing over my options and a new question will be posted soonest!!
FlyingCrow The "Muskogee Roads" consisted of the Kansas, Oklahoma & Gulf; Oklahoma City-Ada-Atoka; and the Midland Valley. The MV had the passenger service.
The "Muskogee Roads" consisted of the Kansas, Oklahoma & Gulf; Oklahoma City-Ada-Atoka; and the Midland Valley. The MV had the passenger service.
Flying Crow you've got the three RR's right and can ask the next question. However my OG's of that time show the MV and OCAA as freight only. An Oakie from Muskogee could, however, still ride a gas electric motor of the KO&G from there to Denison, TX.
KCSfan Al, You are real warm but off a bit on your info. Keep trying. Mark
Al,
You are real warm but off a bit on your info. Keep trying.
Heck, Mark, I couldn't even have hazarded my bad guess withouth knowing about the Merle Haggard song.
Someone will come across--eventually
I don't know their exact names but they were collectively referred to as the "Muskogee Roads" but were controlled out of the Northeastern U.S. - Philadelphia, perhaps?
One of the roads probably had a doodlebug that went to Fort Smith, AK.
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