KCSfan Did the railroad's name contain the word Pacific?
Did the railroad's name contain the word Pacific?
This is a clarification: I did not see a "No" for east of the Mississippi River. This is not a question. It would seem like the number of overnight streamliners that did not have Chicago or ane East Coast city and operated east of the Mississippi, and operated on just one railroad are few in number. I, for one, cannot think of any at the moment.
daveklepper This is a clarification: I did not see a "No" for east of the Mississippi River. This is not a question. It would seem like the number of overnight streamliners that did not have Chicago or ane East Coast city and operated east of the Mississippi, and operated on just one railroad are few in number. I, for one, cannot think of any at the moment.
Did this train run in the US?
Since it was an overnight streamliner it's pretty safe to say it ran on a Class I RR.
The RR or at least the route of the subject train was west of the MIssissippi River.
The name of the railroad did not contain a city, state or the word Pacific.
Therefor the train ran on one of only three railroads, the Great Northern, the Canadian National or the NdeM.
End point terminals of the train were not in a west coast city which eliminates Portland, Seattle and Vancouver. LIkewise they were not on a city on the Mississppi River which eliminates Minneapolis/St. Paul. AFAIK this eliminates all of the GN streamliners so we can strike the Great Northern.
It's probably safe to assume it was not the NdeM leaving us only with the Canadian National.
Since we have so few questions left, please test the logic of the above conclusions and poke holes in them if necessary BEFORE ASKING ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
Mark
ZephyrOverland Did this train run in the US?
KCSfanIt's probably safe to assume it was not the NdeM leaving us only with the Canadian National.
I wouldn't dismiss the NdeM outright. There is one train that would qualify.
The question I'm submitting is:
Is it the NdeM Mexico City-Nuevo Laredo Aztec Eagle?
ZephyrOverland KCSfan It's probably safe to assume it was not the NdeM leaving us only with the Canadian National. I wouldn't dismiss the NdeM outright. There is one train that would qualify. The question I'm submitting is: Is it the NdeM Mexico City-Nuevo Laredo Aztec Eagle?
KCSfan It's probably safe to assume it was not the NdeM leaving us only with the Canadian National.
Al - in - Stockton
Did the train run north and south rather than east and west?
N E V E R M I N D ! That's what I get for answereing from my mailbox rather than from the forum!
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passengerfanZephyrOverland KCSfan It's probably safe to assume it was not the NdeM leaving us only with the Canadian National. I wouldn't dismiss the NdeM outright. There is one train that would qualify. The question I'm submitting is: Is it the NdeM Mexico City-Nuevo Laredo Aztec Eagle? Congratulations We have a winner I believe it is your turn now. Al - in - Stockton
The 20 question approach was a bit unwieldy, but it made for some for some good conversation.
Anyway, I'll do a single question....
The Chicago and North Western was the eastern partner for at least three western transcontinental services. Name the connecting railroads and one or two trains for each service.
ZephyrOverland The Chicago and North Western was the eastern partner for at least three western transcontinental services. Name the connecting railroads and one or two trains for each service.
I think you meant Chicago to West Coast not transcontinental services.
Chi - San Fran CNW/UP/SP City of SF & SF Overland
Chi - LA CNW/UP City of LA & Challenger
Chi - Seattle CNW/UP Portland Rose & City of Portland
KCSfanZephyrOverland The Chicago and North Western was the eastern partner for at least three western transcontinental services. Name the connecting railroads and one or two trains for each service. I think you meant Chicago to West Coast not transcontinental services. Chi - San Fran CNW/UP/SP City of SF & SF Overland Chi - LA CNW/UP City of LA & Challenger Chi - Seattle CNW/UP Portland Rose & City of Portland Mark
No, I did mean transcontinental (as in Chicago - west, not east coast-west coast) services. You named one - the UP/SP Overland Route. The C&NW was involved with two other services with other railroads.
Zephyr,
Your original question stated that the CNW was the eastern partner for at least three western transcontinental services. By definition I think a transcontinental service would be one running between the east and west coasts and since the CNW obviously didn't run east of Chicago, I'm confused. I must be missing something so help me out please.
KCSfanZephyr, Your original question stated that the CNW was the eastern partner for at least three western transcontinental services. By definition I think a transcontinental service would be one running between the east and west coasts and since the CNW obviously didn't run east of Chicago, I'm confused. I must be missing something so help me out please. Mark
Mark,
I'm using the term "transcontinental" as it has been used by individuals, the media, and the railroads for the past 100 years or so. When people refer to the first transcontinental, they refer to the Union Pacific/Central Pacific Sacramento-Omaha line which allowed an individual to travel between the east and west coasts by train. When someone talked about a transcontinental train, it was understood to mean a Chicago/St. Louis/New Orleans/Minneapolis-west coast run. I think the confusion lies in the term "eastern partner" when I made reference to the the C&NW. When I wrote the original question, in my mind the C&NW was the "eastern" partner (or handled the eastern portion) of the Chicago-west coast services that I have in mind. What I should have asked is:
Name three Chicago-west coast services that the C&NW was involved with.
And as I had mentioned, you got the first answer, the UP Overland Route.
Pardon the verbosity.
The Northern Pacific was another and one of the trains was the North Coast Limited.
Was the third the Soo before it reached Chicago. The only Soo train I can think of was the Mountaineer.
passengerfanThe Northern Pacific was another and one of the trains was the North Coast Limited. Was the third the Soo before it reached Chicago. The only Soo train I can think of was the Mountaineer. Al - in - Stockton
Congrats! You got the other two!
The Chicago-Seattle-Portland Northern Pacific North Coast Limited operated on the C&NW (via Madison and via Milwaukee at various times) from about 1909 until WW1. I believe NP routed only the North Coast Limited via C&NW. NP's other western trains either were operated only to/from St. Paul or went to Chicago via the Burlington during this time period.
The Soo/CP Chicago-Vancouver Mountaineer was operated on the C&NW in the 1930's and I think right after WW2. The Soo operated the Mountaineer on its own Chicago-Minneapolis rails from the trains inception in the 1920's, but I think the C&NW was used because of better traffic potential from the C&NW service areas.
You get to ask the next question.
Let's try another twenty questions with some rules in place. Must be a North American RR and train. Can be Freight or Passenger and must be at least fifty years old. Please no WAGs.
If it's OK than here is my question I am thinking of a train? Name the train RR and terminals?
Is either of the terminals a passenger station in a city that has a river bridge in the Central Time Zone?
Incidentally I see RR singular and not RRs plural in the set up, so that's a given. Thanks.
wanswheel Is either of the terminals a passenger station in a city that has a river bridge in the Central Time Zone? Incidentally I see RR singular and not RRs plural in the set up, so that's a given. Thanks.
Does the railroad's name contain the name of a body of water?
wanswheel Does the railroad's name contain the name of a body of water?
Very good! You just eliminated Chicago and all the cities on the Mississippi with one question.
Did the train run east of the Mississippi River?
KCSfanwanswheel Is either of the terminals a passenger station in a city that has a river bridge in the Central Time Zone? Incidentally I see RR singular and not RRs plural in the set up, so that's a given. Thanks. Very good! You just eliminated Chicago and all the cities on the Mississippi with one question. Did the train run east of the Mississippi River?
Is it a Southern Railway System train?
Johnny
Did the train run on a single RR as opposed to being handled by multiple roads?
Deggesty Is it a Southern Railway System train? Johnny
KCSfan Did the train run on a single RR as opposed to being handled by multiple roads? Mark
Did the RR on which the train ran have a city in its name?
KCSfan Did the RR on which the train ran have a city in its name? Mark
Did the RR have a state in its name?
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