B&O had tracks on Staten Island and at the W. 26th St. freight house. I don't know of any Union Pacific pier but Southern Pacific had a pier for its steamship line to New Orleans.
Off hand I would give first choice: B&O and second choice UP.
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I looked up boat. Webster's says, "1. a small, open vessel or watercraft propelled by oars, sails or engine. 2. a large vessel; ship: landsman's term applied especially to river steamers." Funk & Wagnall's says, "1. a small, open watercraft propelled by oars, sails or an engine. 2. Colloq. Any watercraft of any size, ranging from a rowboat to an ocean liner."
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In the old days when New York was the king of ports and the nation's biggest factory town, most railroads in the region had maritime freight facilities there. What railroad had an East River pier and a freight terminal in Manhattan, but no tracks in New York City or New Jersey?
Mike
Not getting to far off subject but on the west coast several RRs provided coastal steamship services and realizing it is someone else's question Ijust thought i would mention the following.
GN/NP provided service between Astoria Oregon and San Francisco with two steamships named SS Great Northern and SS Northern Pacific. They were actually faster than the competing SP Rail route between Portland and San Francisco. An SP&S train took passengers from Portland to Astoria for the steamship service. From Seattle GN operated transpacific ships at one time.
CPR provided coastal steamships that connected Vancouver with Nanaimo, Skagway, Seattle, the Gulf Islands, Victoria the Sunshine Coast and coastal steamer services from Victoria up the west coast of Vancouver Island and the Queen Charlotte Islands. Later they provided cruise ship services to Alaska
CNR provided steamship services from Seattle to Victoria, Vancouver and on to Prince Rupert at one time. They also provided cruise ship services to Alaska.
Al - in - Stockton
Interesting indeed. Look forward to the next question. Meanwhile, overnight ships between costal points were often called night-boats. Case in point: In the summer of 1937, age 5, I rode overnight on the Boston Night Boat from NYC . I remember the taxi to North Station and the train to Concord or Plymouth, NH. Returned with mother and father the same way. I think there were other Night Boats along the eastern seabord.
passengerfan Mark I do agree with the mileages you put up for the two trains but you missed the Canadian National at 2930.3 miles Montreal to Vancouver and the train was the Super Continental. That makes it longer than the CP route and the Indian Pacific falls to sixth place. Al in Stockton
Mark I do agree with the mileages you put up for the two trains but you missed the Canadian National at 2930.3 miles Montreal to Vancouver and the train was the Super Continental. That makes it longer than the CP route and the Indian Pacific falls to sixth place.
Al in Stockton
Duh. I must be suffering from old timers disease to have missed that one,
passengerfan That wasn't 50 years ago but I too remember when the Canadian operated via Via ran from Montreal to Toronto then on to Vancouver that would have been longer. I can also remember when the original Canadian would arrive in Vancouver from the east and a bus transferred passengers from trainside to the CPR dock within site of each other probably not more than a block apart in Vancouver where one boarded the CPR Princess Patricia or Princess Marguerite for the trip to Seattle via Victoria all on one ticket. Unfortunately I can also remember the two CPR night boats from Seattle to Victoria and Vancouver the Princess Joan and Princess Elizebeth. I believe it was 1954 that the night boats were discontinued. I have never understood why these fine ships were ever called boats when they were in excess of 350' . When I was in the Navy we never called our destroyer a boat it was always a ship.
That wasn't 50 years ago but I too remember when the Canadian operated via Via ran from Montreal to Toronto then on to Vancouver that would have been longer. I can also remember when the original Canadian would arrive in Vancouver from the east and a bus transferred passengers from trainside to the CPR dock within site of each other probably not more than a block apart in Vancouver where one boarded the CPR Princess Patricia or Princess Marguerite for the trip to Seattle via Victoria all on one ticket. Unfortunately I can also remember the two CPR night boats from Seattle to Victoria and Vancouver the Princess Joan and Princess Elizebeth. I believe it was 1954 that the night boats were discontinued. I have never understood why these fine ships were ever called boats when they were in excess of 350' . When I was in the Navy we never called our destroyer a boat it was always a ship.
As to ship/boat, I do not know if there is an official demarcation line, but I know that my brother, who was a radarman on a minesweep (AM55), was on a ship, and not a boat, even though it was smaller than a destroyer. I do not think that anybody would cavil at calling a dory, yawl, gig, or lifeboat a boat.
Johnny
Deggesty passengerfan Mark I do agree with the mileages you put up for the two trains but you missed the Canadian National at 2930.3 miles Montreal to Vancouver and the train was the Super Continental. That makes it longer than the CP route and the Indian Pacific falls to sixth place. Al in Stockton What was the distance when VIA operated the Canadian from Montreal via Toronto? I do not remember the year (I am 24 miles from home, 4,000 feet higher, and (supposedly) 10 degrees cooler, and I do not expect to go home for several days; our morning temperature today was about 40, with about 50 noted in the valley), but I do recall seeing that variation in operation. Johnny
KCSfan Al, If you agree with the distances I posted for the two trains the Canadian's route is the longer of the two. Canadian - 4466 km = 2774 miles Indian Pacific - 4352 km = 2704 miles Since they are so close in length, I am amazed to hear there is another route whose distance falls between the 70 miles that separates these two and anxiously await learning what it is. Mark
Al,
If you agree with the distances I posted for the two trains the Canadian's route is the longer of the two.
Canadian - 4466 km = 2774 miles
Indian Pacific - 4352 km = 2704 miles
Since they are so close in length, I am amazed to hear there is another route whose distance falls between the 70 miles that separates these two and anxiously await learning what it is.
Mark
Wanswheel got three and Mark got one there is still one to go.
My two candidates are:
The Canadian - 4465 km between Toronto and Vancouver
The Indian Pacific - 4352 km between Sydney and Perth in Australia?
The 3 longest routes seem to be Moscow to Pyongyang, Kiev to Vladivostok, and St. Petersburg to Vladivostok.
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My question is name the five longest passenger train routes in the world and name the trains that operate over those routes.
wanswheelJohnny awards Mark the win on grounds of doubt that anyone could top him for quantity. Mark invites a less frequent contributor to be the first to answer his question. Zephyr Overland names dozens more directional trains including West Taku Arm Special.
Yes, sin in haste; repent at leisure.
Interesting developments. Johnny awards Mark the win on grounds of doubt that anyone could top him for quantity. Mark invites a less frequent contributor to be the first to answer his question. Zephyr Overland names dozens more directional trains including West Taku Arm Special. Al sees Alaska and drives a truck right through it. Then today in Trains forum thread, On This Date In Railroad History...
AUGUST 15, 1900
Regular service is commenced over the 3'0" gauge White Pass and Yukon Railway between Skagway, Alaska and Whitehorse, Yukon Territory.
You are our winner. I've just beem playing mind games with you. Up to the time the WP&Y ceased to operate as a common carrier in 1982 it did indeed run passenger service from Skagway to Carcross. At White Pass the line left Alaska from there north it ran through British Columbia and the Yukon Territory so technically that portion of the route was not a US line.
KCSfan passengerfan White Pass & Yukon Skagway to Carcross Al - in - Stockton Al, Close but no cigar for you yet. You need to tweak your answer a bit. Mark
passengerfan White Pass & Yukon Skagway to Carcross Al - in - Stockton
White Pass & Yukon Skagway to Carcross
Close but no cigar for you yet. You need to tweak your answer a bit.
ZephyrOverlandOf course when I'm away from the internet for a couple of days that's when the questions become interesting. I know that this question is closed but here are some additional "directional" train names for your interest:
And, had you not been a day late, you would be a dollar ahead, with 29 new (was I ever wrong!) and one duplicate. The duplicate confirmed passenger fan's listing of the C&O's West Virginian. You reached way back into history, naming the Plant System and other roads that have long since been taken into larger systems.
DeggestyNo, Henry (and everybody else), this will not go on forever. Indeed, unless someone can come up with 25 names that have not yet been posted, it’s over. You gave us one, CSSHegewisch gave us eight, KCSfan gave us twenty-five new ones plus eight duplicates Wanswheel gave us five new ones, passengerfan gave us twenty-one new ones plus thirteen duplicates, and x2000 gave us two duplicates--sixty named trains with a compass direction in the name. We have come quite a way from 1851 or thereabouts, when, if a road had more than one train, one was called "first train" and the second one was called "second train." I learned of several that were quite unknown to me, such as the Texas Santa Fé trains. I will query Southern States and Southern States Special as being Southern; I know that the SAL (and RF&P) operated a Southern States Special (which operated on the same schedule with the Cotton States Special north of Hamlet. Also, I remember the B&O as operating a West Virginian; I can’t say that the C&O did not. For a time, at least, the Southern had two schedules for the Carolina Special, which was two trains east of Asheville (one to Goldsboro, N. C., and the other to Charleston, S. C.). One was called Carolina Special (North Carolina Train), and the other Carolina Special (South Carolina Train). At other times, it showed only one schedule, with all the equipment. You may notice that passengerfan gave us both Southland PRR/L&N/CG/ACL and Southland L&N. Yes, before the Perry Cutoff was constructed, the L&N had a Southland, which carried various sleepers. Now for the solution. I doubt greatly that anyone can come up with more than 25 new names. So, the winner is KCSfan (also known to us simply as "Mark."). I hope you found this more interesting than some of the questions I have propounded. Johnny
No, Henry (and everybody else), this will not go on forever. Indeed, unless someone can come up with 25 names that have not yet been posted, it’s over.
You gave us one, CSSHegewisch gave us eight, KCSfan gave us twenty-five new ones plus eight duplicates Wanswheel gave us five new ones, passengerfan gave us twenty-one new ones plus thirteen duplicates, and x2000 gave us two duplicates--sixty named trains with a compass direction in the name.
We have come quite a way from 1851 or thereabouts, when, if a road had more than one train, one was called "first train" and the second one was called "second train."
I learned of several that were quite unknown to me, such as the Texas Santa Fé trains. I will query Southern States and Southern States Special as being Southern; I know that the SAL (and RF&P) operated a Southern States Special (which operated on the same schedule with the Cotton States Special north of Hamlet. Also, I remember the B&O as operating a West Virginian; I can’t say that the C&O did not. For a time, at least, the Southern had two schedules for the Carolina Special, which was two trains east of Asheville (one to Goldsboro, N. C., and the other to Charleston, S. C.). One was called Carolina Special (North Carolina Train), and the other Carolina Special (South Carolina Train). At other times, it showed only one schedule, with all the equipment.
You may notice that passengerfan gave us both Southland PRR/L&N/CG/ACL and Southland L&N. Yes, before the Perry Cutoff was constructed, the L&N had a Southland, which carried various sleepers.
Now for the solution. I doubt greatly that anyone can come up with more than 25 new names. So, the winner is KCSfan (also known to us simply as "Mark.").
I hope you found this more interesting than some of the questions I have propounded.
Of course when I'm away from the internet for a couple of days that's when the questions become interesting. I know that this question is closed but here are some additional "directional" train names for your interest:
Eastern and Southern Express - PRR - Chicago-Louisville
Eastern Limited - North Shore - Chicago-Milwaukee
Eastern Oklahoma Mail - MKT - Kansas City-Deninson
Eastern Slope - BM - Boston-Intervale
North Adams Special - NYCHR BA - New York-North Adams
North Country Mail - DSSA - Duluth - Marquette
North Texas Express - MKT - San Antonio-Dallas
North Western Fast Mail - CNW - Minneapolis-Chicago
Northern Lakes Special - CNW - Chicago - Cisco Lake
Northern Special - LN - Cincinnati-Louisville
Southeastern Limited - Frisco/SR - Kansas City-Jacksonville
Southern Fast Mail - IC - Chicago-New Orleans
Southern Illinois Express - CEI - Chicago-Thebes
Southern Michigan Express - DM - Cheboygan-Bay City
Southerner - PRR - Pittsburgh-Washington
Southerner - RFP/SAL - Washington-St. Petersburg/Miami
Southwest Empire - B4 - Cleveland/Cincinnati-St. Louis
Southwest Express - RI/SP - Chicago-Kansas City-Los Angeles
Southwestern Day Express - CGW - Oelwein-Kansas City
Southwestern Limited - CGW - Minneapolis-Kansas City
Southwestern Special B4/LSMS/NYCHR - St. Louis/Cincinnati-New York
West Coast Day Limited - SAL - Jacksonville-St. Petersburg
West Coast Limited - CoG/G&SF/Plant System - Atlanta-Tampa
West Indian Limited - RFP/ACL - Washington-Jacksonville
West Taku Arm Speical - White Pass - Skagway-Carcross
West Virginia Express - CO - Cincnnati-Clifton Forge
West Virginian - C&O - Washington-Cincinnati
West Virginian - B&O - Baltimore-Chicago
Western Flyer - RI - Memphis-Oklahoma City
Western North Carolina Speical - SR - Asheville-Jacksonville
Johnny, it was one of the best and most fun and enlightening questions in a long time...did anyone mention the Southern Crescent?...and hope there are more to come.
Our recent questions have entailed some lengthy answers so I'll strive for brevity with this question . I hope one of our less frequent contributors is the first to answer and gets a chance to ask their question.
What was the last narrow gauge (3 ft) common carrier line in the US to carry passengers.? Name the railroad and the end points between which it ran just prior to the end of passenger service.
KCSfan Henry, It's was Johnny's question so we need to hear who he declares the winner. I sense your impatience but I'm sure we will hear from him soon so don't get too frustrated in the meantime. Mark
Henry,
It's was Johnny's question so we need to hear who he declares the winner. I sense your impatience but I'm sure we will hear from him soon so don't get too frustrated in the meantime.
Oh far from impatient! I think this is great. Truly...I do. These answers show the ubiquitousness of railroading and the depth or shallowness of railroad marketing back in the day. Of course, it could be a show of optimisim if not romaticism. Little roads with high hopes and big roads with little budgets. I hope somebody is taking notes and making a list. It will be really interesting.
henry6 This is neat...what I expected...a wide open barrage of trian names from all points of the compass....and there are more to come... only question is, who has the answer to start the next question, or are we gonna go with this forever...fun! Love it!
This is neat...what I expected...a wide open barrage of trian names from all points of the compass....and there are more to come... only question is, who has the answer to start the next question, or are we gonna go with this forever...fun! Love it!
The New York Centraol also had a North Star (I think it ran Sat nights NY - Chi) and a South Shore Express (mostly mail Chi - NYC, eventually lost its name and I think was just known as 43)
Heres my 3:30 AM list of trins:
North American C&NW
North Coast Limited NP
North Express PRR
North Shore Limited BA/NYC
North Star Limited M&STL
North Star M&STL
North Wind New Haven/B&M
North Woods Hiawatha CMSTP&P
Northeastern Limited IC
Northern Arrow PRR
Northern Michigan Special DM&N
Northwestern Limited C&NW
Southland L&N /CofG/ACL/FEC
South Shore Express LI
South Wind PRR/L&N/ACL/FEC
Southern Belle KCS
Southern Express ACL/N&W
Southern States Sou
Southern States Special Sou
Southern Railway Express Sou
Southern Tier Express Erie
Southerner Sou
Southland Express L&N
Southland (L&N
Southwest Limited (CMST&P
Southwestern Express CGW
Southwestern Limited NYC
West Coast SP
West Pointer NYC
West Shore Express NYC
West Texan C&S/FW&D
West Virginian C&O
Western Express B&O
Western Express CP/MC
Westerner CofG
Eastwind NYNH&H
Thats my list all pre streamlined except for a couple
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