Quite a number of passenger trains were named after different species of birds but relative few had animal names. In the post-WW2 period what US trains had animal (mammals) names, what railroads operated them and what were their routes?
Mark
DeggestyI don't remember the years of operation, but the original Nancy Hanks was operated many years ago, also as an Atlanta-Savannah train.
Johnny
KCSfan, you were the first one under the wire by knowing that they were racehorse names, the common thread. Mix yourself a tall mint julep and ask the next question.
wanswheel http://photoswest.org:8080/cgi-bin/cw_cgi?fullRecord+27375+594+759736+11+3 http://photoswest.org:8080/cgi-bin/cw_cgi?fullRecord+27375+594+1972224+15+3 http://www.library.gsu.edu/spcoll/collections/AV/lane/view.asp?action=search&search=Nancy+Hanks
http://photoswest.org:8080/cgi-bin/cw_cgi?fullRecord+27375+594+759736+11+3
http://photoswest.org:8080/cgi-bin/cw_cgi?fullRecord+27375+594+1972224+15+3
http://www.library.gsu.edu/spcoll/collections/AV/lane/view.asp?action=search&search=Nancy+Hanks
We are greatly indebted to Mike for the information, particulary the photographs, that he puts out for us.
WAG. No Dynamic Brakes. (If in the off chance I'm right. I tend to be an irregular here. So please continue without me).
Thx IGN
KCSfanThey were named after famous race horses. The CofG's trains were the Nancy Hanks and the Man 'o War.
Mark, you missed one. The last passenger train operated by the Central of Georgia was the Nancy Hanks II. I don't remember the years of operation, but the original Nancy Hanks was operated many years ago, also as an Atlanta-Savannah train. Incidentally, I was able to ride the Man O' War in the early sixties; by then it had only a news butch to provide refreshment, and made only one round trip a day. The Nancy Hanks II kept a grill-lounge until the end, and in its last months also had a dome car; I had a pleasant trip on it down to Savannah in February of 1971 as I was on my way to add the Lakeland-Naples and Tampa-Venice lines to my travels. I was a bit late getting started in adding route-miles to add such exotica as Haines City-Clewiston to my total.
CSSHEGEWISCH New question: What do some of Central of Georgia's passenger trains and Frisco's E units have in common??
New question: What do some of Central of Georgia's passenger trains and Frisco's E units have in common??
They were named after famous race horses. The CofG's trains were the Nancy Hanks and the Man 'o War.
From I remember from what I read, the D&RG learned that the Santa Fe was about to build a branch to Farmington and Durango. This would have given them an advantage for Durango business, being standard gauge. So the D&RGW. which had been planning a branch to Famington, built it as standard gauge, an isolated standard gauge line. I have seen pictures of the operation, and Durango did have dual-gauge trackage. The thought was that they would conntect with the AT&SF in Farmington and be the originating and terminating carrier. Then the AT&SF didn't proceed with their plans, since with revenue division, it would not have been all that profitable. So the Farmington line was unique in the USA as a line converted from standard to narrow gauge. Someone else might be able to supply dates and more information.
Otto Mears was the financier and promoter of the Silverton Northern, Silverton Gladstone and Northerly, and the Rio Grande Southern. He prefered to work with William Jackson Palmer of the D&RG, rather than be a rival.
CSSHEGEWISCH All FEC passenger-carrying cars were identified by name only, none had a number.
All FEC passenger-carrying cars were identified by name only, none had a number.
I was a little surprised to see, in Birmingham, a Seaboard coach with a name and no number, in the mid-sixties. Then I realized that it was a former FEC coach.
daveklepperIn any case, you get to ask the next question.
Here is the question: what was unique about the way that the Florida East Coast identified its passenger cars (particularly, the lightweight cars)?
daveklepper YOu got the three railroads into Durango correct despite my error. And I was mistaken, the coal railroad did not enter Durango but connected via the RGS. And you are right about Silverton, also. But what about the gauge question? Can you answer that correctly and give the full story, or should I do it? In any case, you get to ask the next question.
YOu got the three railroads into Durango correct despite my error. And I was mistaken, the coal railroad did not enter Durango but connected via the RGS. And you are right about Silverton, also.
But what about the gauge question? Can you answer that correctly and give the full story, or should I do it?
In any case, you get to ask the next question.
I hope to have a question ready tomorrow.
In 1893, 1916, and 1930, there were only two roads shown into Durango--D&RG, and RGS; both 3' gauge. The D&RG had three lines from Durango--to Silverton, Farmington, N. M., and to Alamosa (std. gauge on to Denver). The RGS came down from Ridgeway, where it connected with the D&RG.
There was a coal rr, Boston Coal and Fuel (also 3'), which connected with the RGS at Franklin Jct.; it went up to Perrin's Peak Mine.
There were four roads into, or almost into Silverton--D&RG, Silverton, Silverton Northern, and Silverton, Gladstone & Northerly (absorbed by SN)--all 3' gauge, but this is not the town you named.
Do I have to make the question even easier to answer?
Name all the railroads that served Durango, Colorado. And to where they ran. Were they all three-foot gauge? If there was an exception, which was it and why was it an exception? What was the eventual plan. And what actually happened?
You must have at least three railroad names to answer and know the answer to the last four questions.
An edit: Since there are no answers so far, I"ll relent. Need not know the eventural plan. Just the other answers, and three railroads remain enough. (There are more.)
Sure Dave, your question next.
Robert F. Kennedy was on the Southern Pacific just 5 days before the awful news on the radio in Vietnam. John F. Kennedy rooted for Navy. In the old days the Pennsy brought the teams, the cadets and midshipmen, and tens of thousands of fans on special trains from New York and Washington directly to Municipal Stadium (JFK Stadium) in South Philadelphia.
Mike
So does my 50% qualify me for the next question or do you wish to ask another question? Your choice.
Not B&M, far from it.
Yes, President Kennedy took the train to the Army-Navy Game.
My guess and i'll admit only a guess, is Boston and Maine for th efirst and PRR for the second.
God rest Ted Kennedy.
What railroad did his brother Bobby ride on a whistlestop campaign on May 31, 1968 and what railroad did his brother John ride to a football game on December 1, 1962?
MIke, you win and get to ask the next question. But a few minor corrections and some additions.
The local cross-river interuruban to New Albany and Jefforsonville was the same broad gauge as the Lousville streetcar system, but the Indiana Railroad, and its predicessor Interstate Public Service, entered Louisville on the same bridge on standard gauge with dual-gauge track on the birdge. Therefor, New Albany, as well as Louisville, had two gauges. In fact, the local Birney-operated New Albany system was standard gauge, and so New Albany outlasted Louisville as having two gauges, since the local interurban to Lousiville and the local streetcars outlasted the Indiana Railroad service.
New Orleans also had the standard gauge NO-Kenner interurban
Philadelphia also has and had the Norristown Line at 69th Street and had the interurbans to Allentown over that line until 1953, standard gauge.
Cincinnati had interurbans, one at the same broad gauge as the streetcar system, several standard gauge, and one narrow gauge.
Los Angeles, the streetcars were all narrow gauge. The Pacific Electric interurbans were all standard gauge. But some of the PE routes could possibly be described as streetcar.
Toronto had two standard gauge interurbans at city limits
San Francisco: The cable cars cars are now completely and were mostly narrow gauge.
Most funiculars are special gauges, so Pittsbught and Johnston, among others, can be counted
Again, Mike your question
New Orleans - broad gauge and standard gauge streetcars
Philadelphia - broad gauge streetcars, standard gauge subway
Camden - broad gauge streetcars, broader gauge and standard gauge interurbans
Trenton - standard gauge streetcars, 3 different broad gauges of interurbans
Wheeling - broad gauge steetcars, standard gauge suburban lines
Columbus - broad gauge streetcars, standard gauge interurbans
Cincinnati - broad gauge streetcars, standard gauge interurbans at city limits
Louisville - broad gauge streetcars, standard gauge elevated line to Indiana
Denver - narrow gauge Trams, standard gauge interurban
Los Angeles - narrow gauge and standard gauge streetcars
I'm glad you liked the pictures. CV planned to have a passenger steamer to New London but it didn't happen due to World War I. For about 3 years before the war, CV and Grand Trunk ran a through sleeper from New London to Chicago via Montreal, according to my father, who almost certainly had to have visited Pier 29 because he moved to New York right after graduation from Notre Dame in 1936. Dad was a messenger at the St. Albans dispatcher's office from 1926 to 1932, and he worked on a track gang during summer vacations from college. His father and two uncles were CV engineers, of course. In 1971, he submitted a long and detailed proposal for restoration of the Montrealer, which put Vermont on the Amtrak map in 1972, and led to his appointment to the Amtrak board of directors in 1974.
Those are truly marvelous photoraphs. Thanks. I should point out the the B&M also operated the Montrealer/Washingtonian, but that was not by any means its premier train. Its premier trains were definitely the Flying Yankee and the Minuteman. The B&M's East Wind also operated over Hell Gate.
Asa far as I know, the "Boston Night Boat" was a separate operation, not part of the B&M. I think the firm was called "The Fall River LIne", even though the Boston Night Boat did not dock at Fall River.
Now for the question: During the height of the streetcar-interuruban era, at least ten fairly large North American cities had electric public rail transit of one sort or another emplying two or more different gauges. Which ones were they? Please don't answer unless you can name at least seven.
Dave of course!
The 3 CV steamers were the New York, the New London and the Vermont. The LCL freight they transported on the East River, Long Island Sound and the Thames River was shipped to or from New York and Chicago via Canada at a differential rate.
This is at New London, Connecticut
The water tower is in the linked picture. The old freighthouse is gone.
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?2005120720220710016.jpg
Boxcars in New London got jostled by the 1938 hurricane.
Thanks for the hint. The Central Vermont. And it smost famouse train was the Monteraler/Washingtonian.
Now, do I get to ask the next question?
Southern Pacific was on West St. and the Hudson River. The freight terminal of the railroad in question was on South St. and the East River at Pier 29. One of its steamers was in town all day, getting unloaded and loaded. Meanwhile another steamer was unloaded and loaded at the railroad's other pier at the end of its main line. They sailed back and forth at night.
Pier 29 is the 3rd pier south (to the left) of the Manhattan Bridge. The railroad's steamer is just visible above the roadway to the right of the tower of the Brooklyn Bridge.
The railroad's steamer at Pier 29 is visible between the towers of the bridges. PRR and B&O are near the Brooklyn Bridge.
South St. viewed from the deck of the Manhattan Bridge. At the lower left is some water and a side view of the front part of Pier 29. Lackawanna is further down at Pier 26 (the long building).
Pier 29 is the structure with 3 triplets of upstairs windows and a flagpole. That's the Brooklyn tower of the Brooklyn Bridge.
The railroad's steamers sailed under a bridge on which its most famous through train rolled.
I believe that is the correct answer.
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