Flintlock76Thanks David! I just knew if anyone would know, you'd be the one!
And now for the fun part, a la the SP 4-10-2 and 2-10-2 whistles...
In the movie, the interior shots of the doomed "R1/9" clearly display some details of construction and the number "4778". I do not believe these match any New York transit stock. I highly suspect they will be something found in nature somewhere in Southern California, or set-dressed using photo references from such a source. Bet someone has already recognized this and done some of the research -- if not, here's a good opportunity!
Who has the clip from the '70s remake, with someone not very highly considered for talent at the time, but who would go on to prove to be a very capable actress, in a leading role?
Thanks David! I just knew if anyone would know, you'd be the one!
The closest that R1-R9s to the Empire State Building on elevated tracks was at the Manhatan end of the Williamsburg Bridge at Delancy Street and the East River, during the time they ran on the current J, M, and Z lines and the discontinued K.
Oh yeah, considering the year, 1933, the special effects and animation in "King Kong" are pretty amazing.
I'll tell you, one of the things I don't like about CGI in todays films is visually it's pretty stunning, but the magic is gone. No more watching a movie and saying "How'd they DO that?" We know how they did it. No more mystery. Ho hum.
On the other hand, this just means the storytelling had better be good. No more getting a pass from special effects.
Now that's a good memory. Good fortune to have seen that. Imagine that!
Notice how well dressed the folks on the subway were. All of them! Now it's sweat pants and a t shirt or no shirt in the majority.
Still to this day if I go to the Doctor or go out shopping I make a point of dressing kind of snappy. Maybe not a tie, but a sports jacket, real trousers, usually black, never jeans, heavy blue overcoat, very comfy, for the winter. In the classroom too. All the other instructors wear blue jeans and sweatshirts and of course all in unison their very trendy Canada Goose parka. Must be $50,000 worth of those ridiculous things walking thru the door every morning. It must be at least 20 feet from the car to the door and then back to their heated garage at home but damn they sure are 'with it'. None of them ever go out at all during the day, ever. They say the jeans and the rest of it makes the students feel comfortable but I say bah-loney. They are not my equal until they get that diploma and they really respect that. Then when I personally throw my BBQ here on my deck for those that graduated, thats when I wear my jeans and let my hair down. Hipster doofus BBQ apron too!
Now how did I get on this... oh yeah, folks riding the subway! Quite good animation and special effects considering the year.
Thank you Vince!
You know, if we can't have some laughs here from time to time then what's the point?
A personal note: I was driving south on the New Jersey Turnpike on the day of "King Kong's" 50th anniversary, and had a great view of the Empire State Building with that unfortunately short-lived inflatable King Kong hanging on it. What made it even better was they'd arranged for two Stearman biplanes to circle the building! Perfection itself!
Only in New York!
Nice clip and nice work Wayne, well done!
Overmod Flintlock76 Isn't that the kind of car King Kong pulled off the elevated and smashed up? Sure looks like it! Wayne -- where would you expect to find an R1/9 on elevated trackage within a fairly large number of blocks of the Empire State Building???
Flintlock76 Isn't that the kind of car King Kong pulled off the elevated and smashed up? Sure looks like it!
Wayne -- where would you expect to find an R1/9 on elevated trackage within a fairly large number of blocks of the Empire State Building???
Well jeez, Kong sure found it, whatever it was!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwgdgD_BDHE
Mind you, I'm not, and have never claimed to be, an expert on New York City's mass transit, either subways, elevateds, or elevateds that are really subway cars coming up for some fresh air. I leave that to others.
Flintlock76Isn't that the kind of car King Kong pulled off the elevated and smashed up? Sure looks like it!
Well I'll ask the next question!
It's concerning that R1-9 car in the photo that David posted on February 19th, the one at Coney Island.
Isn't that the kind of car King Kong pulled off the elevated and smashed up? Sure looks like it! And that car didn't break into splinters either, Kong had to work at it!
By the way, on today's date in 1933 "King Kong" premiered at Radio City Music Hall and the Roxy. Happy birthday King Kong! Long live the king!
Jones, would you like to ask the next question, or should I?
After the IER shop was closed, the diesel streamliner “City of San Francisco” was served at former SP/Central Pacific Car Paint Shop, later the Southern Pacific Diesel Shop which was the oldest extant industrial railroad building in Oakland. The southeastern half of the building dates to 1874, just five years after the completion of the Transcontinental Railroad.
In 1942, the Southern Pacific Paint Shop was modified to serve the diesel locomotives of the new “City of San Francisco” streamliner and renamed the Streamliner Shop. The original arched doors were modified at this time to accommodate the newer, larger equipment. : )
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daveklepper Possibly the train was serviced at the SP's Interurban Electric (Bay Area Suburban operation) maintenance facilities until that electrification and most rackage were
Possibly the train was serviced at the SP's Interurban Electric (Bay Area Suburban operation) maintenance facilities until that electrification and most rackage were
Possibly the train was serviced at the SP's Interurban Electric (Bay Area Suburban operation) maintenance facilities until that electrification and most rackage were abandoned with some taken over by the Key System and in use until that system's abandonment.
rcdryeFor the first several years after its inauguration, the "Streamliner City of San Francisco" got its west coast service at this facility, about 10 miles by rail from the Oakland Mole. Service at his facility was discontinued in July 1941. Bonus points for explaining why.
The place the trains were serviced took care of other equiment that shared similar parts to the E2s. The West Oakland roundhouse didn't know how to handle them. At least a bit of street running was required to get to the service facility.
The promised R1-9 photo, a Marc Glucksman photo, under the new trainshed at Stillwell Avenue Coney Island, at a fantrip:
For the first several years after its inauguration, the "Streamliner City of San Francisco" got its west coast service at this facility, about 10 miles by rail from the Oakland Mole. Service at his facility was discontinued in July 1941. Bonus points for explaining why.
I reserve the balance of my time and move we open the floor to new business in the meantime.
While we're waiting...
The N.O.T.&L. and its successors put a spur onto the grounds of the Hoover Co. in North Canton in 1922. Even though there was an interchange in Canton, it was only used for local supplies since the street curves in Canton were too tight for trains of steam railroad equiment. Instead, Hoover's shipments went to Akron, where there was an interchange with the Akron & Barberton Belt. A road widening project between Akron and Canton that would have displaced the line led to a decision to abandon that section. Passenger service ended in 1928, but carload freight service continued into 1929. Interurban-style freight to Canton was handled via an alternate route in part over an affiliated line.
The Hoover factory hasn't had rail access since 1929.
rcdryeYou still have to ask a question.
Drat, and I tried so hard. Perhaps more than a bit too hard.
Give me a little while to come up with something worthy of the contest and not more Trivial Pursuit for Locomotives (to quote a revived RyPN thread of recent note where I got into trouble, too ...)
OvermodCome on, you guys, don't make me ask a question like 'what person famous for railroad design beloved of Wayne redesigned the company's product?' ... pay the bill and name the name.
Clearly the designer of the Century - Henry Dreyfuss. You still have to ask a question.
Interesting side: The first book on Mining and ore processing methods, also notable for the first factual account of minerals and mineralogy, the De Re Metallica as written by Georgius Agricola, was translated in English by Herbert Clark Hoover and Lou Henry Hoover. Thick book!
You got it. The info I have found so far is sketchy about how N.O.T.&L. handled the cars, but it did pass by about a block away on Main Street.
I'll give you the middle name, too, if you want: Henry. (Would I get points for "Boss"?)
And his son's name was Herbert. Yes, it was.
Come on, you guys, don't make me ask a question like 'what person famous for railroad design beloved of Wayne redesigned the company's product?' ... pay the bill and name the name.
The inventor, by the way, and original producer was James Murray Spangler. How it got our hero into the business is an amusing story.
First one in with the first and last names wins the sweeps.
Rare that the right answer to a quiz question really sucks, isn't it?
When I saw Canton, OH, I was pretty sure I had a good bearing on the situation... Looks like my mind was a bit dusty and in need of a good cleaning.
Kleenex?
Hoover?
Wow, he really did clean up, didn't he? But then again, no traction line can flourish in a vacuum, so to speak.
Didn't realize I was up on both...
A Canton, Ohio leathermaker got into the Interurban boom by getting involved with starting the Canton & Akron. After some of it was completed, he and his partners sold out to the Everett-Moore Syndicate's Northern Ohio Traction & Light, after which he returned to his factory and cleaned up making a then-new product with which his name is still associated. The factory was one of very few in Ohio served by steam road interchange cars, but on the NOT&L.
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