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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, October 4, 2008 12:25 AM

Hey Leon another top up as the party seems to be in full swing in the pool room,Boris is supervising ( he will physically toss the first fighters ) and H&H are standing ready for full triage work Shock [:O] So sounds like a perfect time for another Carlsburg Thumbs Up [tup]

Eric-Back in with more stuff for us. Interesting loco that B&O unit , I wouldn't have guessed that one in a million years. No wonder you couldn't get a good shot , just a ton of stuff stored on or near it Thumbs Down [tdn]

Lets see as promissed a few more shots from Goderich and the RCAF museum.

A CF100 in the AVRO Canada trials paint schme used before acceptance into the RCAF and Belgian airforces.First jet fighter my uncle Don flew were the CF100 Canuck.

A CF104 N starfighter built by Canadair of Montreal.Painted in 424 squdron markings from when the squadron was based in Baden Baden. Second and last fighter type my uncle Don flew.

A T33 Silver Star ( A Canadian built F86 Shooting Star )  in 426 Red Indian Squdron Markings,these are still in service as trainers and Electronic warfare simulators.

A mix of Rail Link power by the Goderich Station including the two F7's ( ex CPR ) that were formerly used on their Timber Train in Temiskaming Ontario.

Couple more Ex GEXR Geeps in various states of repair/canibalization.

Another CN plow at the ready , this one in the yard in front of Stratfords VIA station.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, October 4, 2008 12:07 AM

Good evening Leon, a stein of Carlsburg if you don't mind Thumbs Up [tup] oh and what the heck top up those who are still able to see straight out of at least one eye.Big Smile [:D] Good to see some regular action over the day today thanks guys Thumbs Up [tup]

Tom- A good day and evening today concidering the absences etc Thumbs Up [tup] Nice to see the SP&S piece again.More good pics from the MOT as well.That was an interesting looking turntable,the Panama canal locomotive looked uniques as well.From the looks of it I'm guessing it was an electric of some type.

Nice to see the satff in full Oktoberfest regalia,H&H's leather lederhosen are still hard to gaze upon while sober though Shock [:O] ( should increase beer sales though Thumbs Up [tup] )

The RCAF museum is well done in all respects,quite a few roses lying about.Last Saturday was their anual dedication ceremony for new stones along the memorial walkways.I'll be attending next eyasr as we are having one placed for my uncle ( now deceased ) who was a CF100 and CF104 pilot in Germany, and later when he was too old to fly jet fighters he flew Hercules transports out of CFB Trenton. 

Shane-Good to hear that they have you back where you belong at work Thumbs Up [tup] Nice to know that the roving reporter is starting to entrnch himself a top Mount Mentor. The Mentor Oktoberfest is agood warm up for the darts match.

You are correct about the Halifax. According to the lead restorer who we chatted with while we are there and confirmed by the dedication ceremony DVD we purchased. This Halifax is the only one left in the world that is remotly complete.There are noses and tails and such displayed heer and theer but this is the only complete bird. It won't fly again though as it's airframe was too badly damaged by it's shooting down and subsquent ditching. Not the mention it's 60 years of being on the bottom of a lake.Also the uniques slide valve radials are not available anymore.they were luckey in that all four original engines came up with the wreckage Thumbs Up [tup]

Eric-I don't have the name of the Lake readily available ( it was unpronouncable ) if that helps Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]Great photo of the snow and the x2000 " award ceremony ".Nice shot of the blimp,my understanding is that the Orange County Museum has three of them two are operational.

Allan-The layout of that musuem is wonderfull. Most of the major Squadrons have set up various cairns around the property.It's one of those has to be seen museum's.

Fergie-More shots will be forth comming Thumbs Up [tup]Great info on the CN in Halifax,a long but good read Thumbs Up [tup] but oh so typical of the waning of passenger services in Canada and right on topic too.

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Posted by EricX2000 on Friday, October 3, 2008 11:47 PM

Good evening again!

Hi Leon, let me have the Filet Mignon with mushrooms! Yes, baked potatoe and a cold Keith's, please.

I can hear that the track gang is in the back celebrating the start of the Oktoberfest at Mentor Village! Quite a few people and among them is the brunette, I promised to take her to Mentor Village after I am done with my steak!Wink [;)]

Tom –  Black hair girls are brunettes in my world! Yeah!! [yeah]

The #2727 was built 1944. Did they have that kind of headlights then?Question [?] I don’t know but I have a feeling they did not. Maybe Shane knows?Question [?]

Spokane, Portland & Seattle!Thumbs Up [tup] Kind of unknown railroad for me.Smile [:)]

Thanks for the photos from MoT! The picture of Barrett Station reminds me, I never had anything to eat or drink there. Next time!Smile [:)]

CM3 –  So I am asking you, did that kind of headlights (like the one on #2727) excist in 1944?Question [?]

Frost on the car? Wow, I feel sorry for you!Grumpy [|(] Have you ever considered moving to the southwest? Yes, we had only 93˚ today but we will probably hit 100 again next week.Yeah!! [yeah]

Allan –  The spring is the best time of the year!Yeah!! [yeah] Especially if you live in a place where the winters are cold and snowy!Smile [:)] I guess you also have some migrating birds coming back.

Fergie –  Hello Gypsy!Wink [;)] A most interesting story on the Halifax and Southwestern Railway!Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup] Both on how it was started and the end of it plus the bad accidents, especially the one ivolving train #5 with too little braking power. What a feeling as an engineer to realize that your braking power is not sufficient! I have saved a copy of this story! Thanks!Thumbs Up [tup]


Here is the answer to the quiz!

These flangeless drivers are sitting on this locomotive:

A very poor picture of Baltimore & Ohio Railroad #173, a "Camel" design. Can now be seen at the Museum of Transportation at Kirkwood, MO. It was impossible to get a good picture of this locomotive.

Round for the house!

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Posted by Fergmiester on Friday, October 3, 2008 9:12 PM

Good Evening Captain Tom and Scurvy

This talk of me being a regular... Bite yer tongues@!!! I'll have none of that as I am a rover, a wonder'r A Gypsy at Heart!

Lisa and I have just returned from yonder watering hole at end of drive and ahad a succesful nite of libating...Big Smile [:D]

Anyway. Rob lovely pics of the museum sire I look forward to more.

To end the evening with a nite cap I offer the following, plagerized as it maybe none the less informative!

Canadian National's
Halifax and Southwestern Railway

By Jim Simmons

Preface

So often tales of Canada's railway heritage stop at Montreal with the area east, especially east of Moncton N.B., being the vast wasteland. The Maritimes too, have a story to tell of their railway heritage. This is just one such story of a once proud line servicing Nova Scotia's South Shore from Halifax to Yarmouth. The railway servicing the for-mentioned area was one of the Canadian Northern roads, namely, the Halifax and Southwestern, before C.N.R. amalgamation in the 1920's.

Being that my father and grandfather, and numerous other family members were all "railway people" accounts for my avid interest in railways, Canadian National in particular. My father was a locomotive engineer and grew up in Bridgewater, Nova Scotia, the heart of Halifax and Southwestern country. My grandfather was a conductor on "The Owl", a local from Bridgewater to Yarmouth, N.S. As a boy, I fondly remember weekend outings to the Bridgewater area and seeing the majestic Bridgewater station, or riding parallel to the tracks near New Germany, N.S. watching the Bridgewater to Middleton freight.

The Halifax and Southwestern, in name has long been gone although was known locally as the "Southwestern" to the day of its demise. All traces of the line are fast disappearing with the only remnant being a short industrial spur from Southwestern Junction in Halifax to Lakeside on the outskirts of the city. If a railway could operate on sentiment alone, this line would have been among the first to have its future assured.

The Halifax and Southwestern Railway did not retain its identity after its takeover by Canadian National as its Canadian Pacific owned cousin, Dominion Atlantic did, but it is interesting to note that the Halifax and Southwestern did exist on paper well into the 1950's.

This work is dedicated to my father who fostered my interest in railways and the many individuals who worked on the "Southwestern" in its many names throughout the years. (The Southwestern Division, The Bridgewater Sub., The Chester Sub., ...)

The Beginnings of the
Halifax and Southwestern

The "H&SW" as it was known or to others the less complimentary monogram of the" Hellish Slow and Wobbley" came into existence in 1901 and was the last sizeable railway to be built in Nova Scotia. The Halifax and Southwestern's existence was owed to two enterprising businessmen of the day, William MacKenzie and Donald Mann. Among the sterling empire builders who dominated the Canadian scene in the opening years of the 20th century none were more widely known or more potent than the firm of MacKenzie and Mann.

MacKenzie and Mann promoted what was to become one of the most colossal flaps in the history of North American rail transportation, the Canadian Northern Railway System. In 1904, Sir Wilfred Laurier, looking around for a popular issue for the impending federal election, embraced the Grand Trunk's hopeful vision, and the Canadian Northern was doomed. Yet such was the genius and audacity of the MacKenzie and Mann combination that may very well might have succeeded but for the appearance on the scene of The Grand Trunk Pacific and The National Transcontinental.

In the spring of 1901, MacKenzie and Mann approached the Nova Scotia government with their offer of a railway from Yarmouth to Halifax. At the time, they owned more than two thousand miles of railway in Canada. The premier of the day, George H. Murray, was flattered by their interest and the agreement was quickly pushed through the proper channels. The Halifax and Southwestern was born and within weeks, construction was begun at both ends of the line.

MacKenzie and Mann, undaunted by the failure of the Canadian Northern Railway, went blithely ahead. The eastern railhead was at Montreal and they tackled the problem of reaching the Atlantic in reverse, by starting in Cape Breton, where they built the Inverness Railway. They then projected the Halifax and Southwestern Railway, which would at last give the South Shore of Nova Scotia a direct rail link with Halifax.

MacKenzie and Mann had been subcontractors on the construction of the C.P.R. short line across Maine, and like the C.P.R. they bought or leased land where they could and built only when they had to. Compared to their predecessors, MacKenzie and Mann moved at lightning speed, completing the Bridgewater to Halifax section of the line in late 1904 and in 1905 the section from Bridgewater to Barrington Passage was opened to traffic. On December 19, 1906, the first passenger train reached Yarmouth from Halifax, and a regular tri-weekly service was instituted on December 22. In 1910, the line transported no fewer than 202,000 people. Before the automobile began to makes its competition felt, totals finally reached the figure of over a quarter of a million passengers a year.

Canadian National Railways, who took over the line in 1919, applied for abandonment in various stages between 1976 and 1993, with the entire line being abandoned except a short piece servicing industries just outside of Halifax. With the systematic abandonment of the line, the station at Bridgewater became surplus, with all of the administration being moved to Chester Subdivision offices. Although the railway was once a thriving enterprise in Bridgewater, its activity steadily declined from the 1930's onward. Many attempts were made over the years to restore the long vacant station but the question of its preservation became academic. In 1982, just slightly more than seven years before its 100th birthday, the town witnessed the tragic end of this historic building as it was destroyed by fire, its remains, unsalvageable.

-- Chronicle Herald: --
December 23, 1982

BRIDGEWATER - Fifty volunteer firemen fought unsuccessfully Wednesday to save Bridgewaters' historic Canadian National Railways station. The 92-year-old building burned to the ground.

Hundreds of residents and Christmas shoppers lined the streets and the town bridge as black smoke billowed into the sky and drifted down the Lahave River.

The fire department was called to the Lahave Street building at 11:30 a.m. when smoke began filtering out of the abandoned building's boarded up windows.

The blaze was well under way by the time it was noticed, Bridgewater Fire Department Chief Frank Gow said.

Chief Gow said firemen were unable to get the water right in on the flames.

Two firemen were injured. One fell on ice and broke two ribs and another got cinders in his eyes.

The Bridgewater Heritage and Historical Society had been working for two years on plans to restore the C.N.R. station, one of the few remaining historic landmarks in the town.

Florrie Little, society president, said the fire means a great loss to the town, future citizens, and the many tourists and visitors who come here each summer.

Ms. Little said the restoration of the building was nearing completion, and work was to have started this spring.

A recent examination showed it to be in very good shape, and only superficial repairs were needed.

The old C.N.R. station was also part of a Bridgewater Chamber of Commerce project in 1978 when it sponsored a "Save the Station" program under the leadership of Mr. Ozzie Stiles. Mr. Stiles said that the station was one of the town's few historic structures and leaves a void.

He said that at one time the station employed more than fifty people, and was the centre of all activity in the town. Mr. Stiles said that the building had great potential, perhaps for a tourist information centre or a craft shop. He said during the time that he headed the campaign to save the station he received letters from all over Canada, the U.S., and Europe from interested people who supported the idea of keeping the station operating as a tourist attraction.

Six Bridgewater fire trucks were used, and a backup crew remained on standby in Lunenburg.

Bridgewater firemen remained on the scene throughout the day to ensure that the fire was kept under control. Cause of the blaze is under investigation.

South Shore
Passenger Service Ends

-- Halifax Chronicle Herald --
October 27, 1969

Mixed train 244, Yarmouth to Halifax, disembarked its last passengers Saturday night at the C.N, terminal in Halifax to mark the end of a passenger service to the South Shore area of the province, which was more than sixty years old.

There was no fanfare, no special celebration, at the end of the line for the train.

The three cars, one for baggage, one for express mail, and another for passengers, were quickly shunted to one side and the two engines returned to the roundhouse in Fairview. Only a handful of railway personnel were aware that it was the last passenger run for the train.

Last Trip

Engineer Charlie Hatfield, Truro and Bridgewater, who replaced the regular engineer, John Woodsworth, had the distinction of making the last trip carrying passengers on the line.

Mr. Hatfield, leaning out of the engine, described the trip as fairly "normal" and "uneventful."

It wasn't always so!

Only a few short years ago passengers formed the nucleus of the South Shore train service. During the Second World War and up until the late 1940's, trains carrying passengers only made a trip both ways daily on the track. In addition, a mixed train made a daily round trip from Liverpool to Halifax and return.

First Class

The passenger train included a parlor car with dining facilities and a regular first class coach.

The final passenger train No. 244 bore little resemblance to its earlier counterpart.

Conductor Vince MacInnes, Dartmouth, who has been on train 244, Yarmouth to Halifax, and train 243 for the return trip, was on the run for about 11 years and has enjoyed it, he says.

The details in his log book for the final trip seems to indicate it.

"Depart Bridgewater at 1:55 p.m. (Atlantic Standard Time) with 20 cars and 14 passengers. 'Entrained' or picked up two additional cars in Mahone Bay and detrained 14 cars at Fairview."

When train 244 arrived in Halifax, it had 3 cars and 11 passengers. Total number of passengers for the trip from Yarmouth where the trip originated to Halifax was 49.

Mr. MacInnes and the other crewmembers on train 244 E.A. Meagher, Halifax, and G.E. Hemsworth, Halifax, both trainmen, will continue on the run in the future but with one major difference. No passengers!

The passenger car will be replaced by a "van "or caboose" for the crewmembers.

The train will be totally converted to freight and express mail and will retain its schedule on a trip from Yarmouth to Halifax on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday with a return trip to Halifax on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday.

No Passengers

Removal of the passenger car from the train will mean that there will be no passenger service west of Halifax, except for the service that Dominion Atlantic Railway still operates.

Lost to the passengers, who frequented the train will be such nostalgic names such as Pubnico, Tusket, Barrington, Barrington Passage, Port Clyde, Lockport, Port Mouton, and French Village, which were among the 20 stops made during the run.

Although there was no special event to mark the occasion, one railway employee perhaps summed it up when he commented that it was "the end of an era. The car should go to a museum."

The Middleton Branch

The Middleton Branch, which was at one time, the former Nova Scotia Central, ran from Bridgewater to Middleton in the Annapolis Valley, a distance of 55 miles. A branch from this was also constructed from Nictaux, just outside of Middleton to Port Wade. This was the former Middleton and Victoria Beach Railway. This branch was 39 miles in length and mainly serviced the mines at Torbrook and Nictaux. Times for this section of the Middleton Branch were not always bountiful. Through a combination of many events - ore smelting costs, a fire destroying much of the mining machinery and the onset of the First World War led to the demise of this section. In a little over a decade after the closure of the mines, Canadian National Railways, which by this time had absorbed the Halifax and Southwestern, formulated a petition proposing the abandonment of the section of the line between Port Wade and Bridgetown, Canadian National Railways claimed to the Board of Railway Commissioners that earnings on the branch of track per mile for the years 1920 - 1922 were only $233, $374, $279 respectively.

To further plead its case, C.N. determined that a large maintenance outlay would have to transpire in the form of bridge rebuilding and other structures if operations beyond Bridgetown were to be viable. Local government adamantly voiced its displeasure to the Board of Railway Commissioners asking that service be reinstated for that part of the line. It was stated that one of the terms of agreement of the Halifax and Southwestern takeover of the Middleton and Victoria Beach Railway was to provide suitable facilities and train service. Failure to do so would put residents and local businesses at a great disadvantage.

A public meeting was held in March of 1925. Although the original proposal put forth by the C.N.R. had been modified, with abandonment restricted to the portion of track between Granville Centre and Port Wade, the Board of Commissions felt it had no obligation to compel the company to resume operations under deficit conditions. The Board denied the application for restoration of service.

By 1927, all the bridges and structures on this portion of the Middleton Branch were removed and all remaining tracks subsequently removed by the mid 1940's. Today, no trace of what was once an important part of the areas economic and industrial framework exists other than the cement turntable at Port Wade which was used to reroute the engine for the return trip.

In 1939, Canadian National again applied to abandon a portion of this line, a 15-mile section between Middleton Junction and Bridgetown.

This was never acted upon and the line was spared by the advent of the Second World War and the improved economic conditions that came to Nova Scotia in its wake. In 1965, the Board of Transport Commissioners rescinded its 1939 order authorizing the abandonment because it had never been put into effect.

Because of the time that had passed since the issuance of this order it was decided that if the railway now wished to still proceed with closing down the section, it should reapply for permission.

At the time of its application to abandon the trackage in 1939, the C.N.R. estimated that $93,493 would be required to rehabilitate that portion of the line.

At the same time as the C.N.R. request for abandonment, the C.P.R. applied to construct a 26-mile line running from its Kentville subdivision to the C.N.R. Middleton subdivision.

The farmers and other residents of the area opposed the twin proposals on the grounds that apple warehouses along the Canadian National route would no longer be able to serve the purpose which they were originally built, that frost damage would likely occur in having to move the fruit from warehouses to stations on the D.A.R. during winter, that snow conditions in the region were such that roads were impassable for long periods during the winter months, that freight rates would be increased if the abandonment application was approved, and that the connecting branch line proposed to be built by the C.P.R. from its main D.A.R. line would cross the main highway between Middleton and Bridgetown, contrary to the policy of eliminating level crossings.

Despite these objections, both applications were approved by the Board of Transport Commissioners in March 1939.

In a 1965 interview Canadian National said that it had no intention of abandoning this section of the line as it handled freight traffic to and from a number of expanding developments including Acadia Distilleries.

The Middleton Branch from Middleton to Bridgewater continued under C.N.R. administration until its abandonment.

The Blueberry Express

The Middleton mixed to many of the locals, became known as "The Blueberry Express " - it runs so slowly that it is possible to get off while the train is in motion, pick a handful of blueberries, and board the rear of the coach as it passes. This tale probably has been repeated everywhere on the continent where a weary little train goes about its duties.

To many people between Middleton and Bridgewater, "The Blueberry Express" was the mixed train which, wandered, daily except Sunday, over Canadian National trackage to the Valley.

M. Allen Gibson best described the memory of "The Blueberry Express " in a newspaper article many years ago.

It is waiting for us, standing in front of the station in Middleton. Behind the locomotive are five freight cars, followed by a wooden baggage car and a wooden coach. The atmosphere is of an older, long gone day. The engine is number 1120, a G16a ten-wheeler. It was built in Montreal in 1912 and boasts 57-inch drivers.

The conductor arrives, sauntering up the platform with a flimsy green clearance form in his hand. "All aboard" he cries and waves to the engineer.

Wheezing and clanking, the engine backs the train slowly away and along Dominion Atlantic trackage to the junction with the line to the South Shore. There is one lady passenger aboard who insists that the conductor will have to reverse her seat. "I simply cannot ride backwards", she protests. It challenges his powers of persuasion to convince her that the train will he running frontward in a few minutes.

At the junction, the brakeman closes and locks the last switch, swings the languid "highball" and climbs aboard the coach. The first mile is downgrade towards the Annapolis River and the train quickly accelerates.

The Annapolis Valley, with its orchards and farms is soon crossed and number 1120 blows for Nictaux, a charming little village nestled at the foot of the mountain. It is at this point that the railway begins its climb into the hills. Without stopping at the station, the train tackles the long, steep grade ahead.

Almost at once, the trackside scenery changes from the fertile plain to the rock and forest of the mountainside. To the left of the right-of-way, the Nictaux River plunges over the rocks and through the gorges that mark its course. It is spectacular viewing but it must have challenged the ingenuity of the construction engineers.

Clinging to the river bank, the rails twist and climb. Speed drops to a crawl. Whenever the locomotive comes into view around a curve, one has a glimpse of smoke and steam belching skyward and of slowly moving siderods.

The coach creaks and sways. Occasionally, a dirt road crosses the railway. At some of these intersections, there is a tiny station and we ramble on through Alpena, Albany, Squirelltown, Scragg Lake, and so on. Wild animals are to be seen at trackside, unperturbed by the noisy passage of mixed train 254.

Springfield is the first community of any size since leaving Nictaux. At this point, the train is well over the mountain; having completed the 28 miles from Middleton right on scheduled time - 28 miles in an hour and a half!

-- Halifax Chronicle Herald --
October 1, 1959

A Beloved Blueberry - The decision of Canadian National Railways to abandon its cross country passenger service between Bridgewater and Middleton was probably inevitable in view of its decreasing patronage, Nevertheless, there are hundreds who will receive the announcement with regret, for this train which has been to many the original "Blueberry Express", possesses a large place in their affections.

In bygone day, the line was an important connection between the Valley and the South Shore. Before the Halifax and Southwestern was constructed, travelers from points in Lunenburg County journeyed over it to link up with the Dominion Atlantic services on route to Central Canada and the Eastern States. Even over its years as part of the Canadian National System, it has continued as an important artery.

It was a leisurely service, powered, until the diesels came, by stocky little steam locomotives whose clanking side rods announced arrivals long before waiting passengers could see the train rolling and bouncing toward them. What a host of memories are stirred! Boyhood days at a camp at Pinehurst were filled with the comings and goings of the train bringing other campers and the welcome mail; one thinks again of the shoppers and hunters for whom any place along the track was a stop; and, where stations were built, they were masterpieces of architectural imagination combining stonework with tasteful frame construction. During war years, the line was traveled by thousands of naval personnel moving between the South Shore and HMCS Cornwallis. Now, a victim of the progress to which it contributed, the mixed train, "daily except Sunday" is soon to make its last run.

But long after those folk have gone who can recall the ancient coach with its pintsch gas lamps, the sound of the lonely whistle echoing along the Lahave, and the sight of a smudge of smoke above the forest at Squirreltown, this train will be remembered in the delightful legend of the "Blueberry Express." For this was the train, so they said, which moved so slowly that one could hop off the head end of the coach, gather a handful of berries, and board the rear as it passed by. It is doubtful whether anyone ever did this, but such a story as affection breeds. By it, this train will be immortalized beyond Nova Scotia and by generations that may never know the music of flanges screaming on the curves along the Nictaux River.

Crashes and Wrecks
on the Halifax and Southwestern

With the 1919 Canadian National takeover, came vast improvements in the entire Halifax and Southwestern line. Early rail lines were known for frequent accidents and the Halifax and Southwestern is not to be omitted.

There were a number of spectacular crashes on the H&SW, one of the worst being on February 9th, 1907, just a few short months after the railway was open to through traffic from Halifax to Yarmouth. On that morning, freight extra No. 5 left Bridgewater at 5a.m. via Mahone Junction (11 miles out) for Lunenburg, a total distance of 18 miles. The train was hauled by locomotive #1, an eight wheeler. Behind extra No. 5, were two flat cars piled high with lumber, next came three empty flats. Then, 14 more lumber loads also loaded high and as it turns out, not too securely. There was no van. There were only four men in the crew instead of the usual five. The conductor rode in the cab with the engineer and the fireman. The lone brakeman existed as best as he could on the last lumber car exposed to the cold February weather.

The trip began to jinx right from the start. Extra No. 5 stalled on the grade out of Bridgewater east, and the yardmaster had to summon a pusher to get her started again. There after, the extra crawled at a snail's pace up the grades from Bridgewater to Maitland. Their Conductor Walter Driscoll decided that they would never make Mahone summit with the load they had and set off three empties at Maitland siding. At the end of three hours they were only eight miles from Bridgewater when another train came up from behind and gave them a push into Blockhouse, ten miles from Bridgewater and about a mile and a half from Mahone Bay Junction. From Blockhouse, Extra No. 5 toiled along with her 16 loads and to the surprise of everyone on board, almost made it to the summit, stalling only a short distance from the crest.

This train was remarkable for its day being that every car was equipped with air brakes, and the fact that after it stalled it was able to cling to the steep face of the grade instead of rolling back down the hill. A point much stressed by council at the official investigation. Apparently, it was also maintained that there may have been air brakes on the whole train, but air was only coupled up to the five cars closest to the locomotive. The engine was low on steam and Conductor Driscoll said that while Engineer Lou Barteaux was waiting to build up pressure to tackle the hill, he would save time by walking down the track to the junction switch, which he knew was set for the Halifax main line and throw it for the Lunenburg/Mahone branch track.

Meanwhile, No. 3 mixed train at 7:10a.m. had left Lunenburg for Mahone Junction to await the arrival of the regular Halifax bound train bound for Liverpool to pick up passengers and express to eventually connect with the Dominion Atlantic Railway at Middleton.

This train had been at the junction for some time before Extra No. 5 had reached the summit, had done some necessary shunting, and was now in front of the station, heading west. The engine had not yet been recoupled and freight cars were standing some car lengths down the platform from the passenger cars taking on way freight - a fortunate chance that was to keep a bad wreck from becoming a major disaster.

There happened to be a great amount of bustle on the platform, passengers and intending passengers, friends who had come to see them off, and general mail and express transactions. Farther up near the engine and freight sheds, Section Foreman Willis Low stood waiting for the Halifax train.

Engineer Barteaux, back on No. 5, blew two shorts, indicating intention to move ahead, and at the rear the second engineer watched No. 5's exhaust and manipulated his throttle to synchronize his speed with that of the lead engine. Under this combined power, the sixteen loads walked up the summit. Had the pusher engine coupled her air to the train and stayed with it down the hill, a tragedy may well have been averted. However, No. 5's air held the train so easily on the backslope that no precaution occurred to anyone. When the last lumber car topped the crest, the helper blew a short blast, the brakeman pulled the pin and the helper started back to her own train.

As the lumber train started away fast, Barteaux gave her a touch of air to ease her down but the brakes did not hold. The engineer pulled the reverse lever over and whistled to the brakeman in the rear for hand brakes. Fireman Tom Lynch sprang to the brake wheel on the tender and clubbed it up tight, but the slight drag had little effect. Barteaux was busily working steam against the weight of the train, the same result as gearing down a car on a steep hill. The steel drivers against the steel rails had little effect and No.5 surged on to her doom. Conductor Driscoll, hurrying down the track and still 1200 yards from the switch, heard the whistling and clamor behind him and realized that his train was running out of control. As the engine shot by, her drivers in reverse, Barteaux leaned from the cab and shouted something about "losing his air."

From Mahone summit approaching the main line, the mountain descends in a long, sharp, right hand curve, and about all an engineer could see was a few hundred yards of track and a wall of woods.

The junction switch was about 4400 yards west of the station, and if set to go to Lunenburg the train continues to proceed to a right hand curve to the station and beyond. Barteaux knew from the time card that the mixed train should be standing in the station and he blew his whistle long and urgently, first to warn the crew and passengers to get out of the way and secondly in hope that there might be some trainman near the switch who would sense the danger and throw the switch to the Lunenburg line. At the same time, he manipulated the sand and the steam to attempt to get a grip on the track and check as much as possible the onward rush of the engine.

At the junction, the whistling was heard, but not even the crew of No. 3 seemed to have attached any significance to it. When at last the runaway freight careened into view around the curve only 400 yards away, it became apparent that a collision was inevitable. Everyone at the head end of the express became rooted to the spot. People and passengers at the other end of the platform hardly had time to take in what was going on and most of them didn't even realize that there was even any danger until it was all over. Barteaux continued to blow his whistle to the last second. Then he and Fireman Lynch unloaded and escaped serious injury. A moment later with a crash that was heard miles away, No. 5 plowed into the passenger engine and both were instantly buried under four piled up flat cars and an avalanche of flying lumber which also demolished the freight shed. The passenger engine and a box car were driven back until they hit the passenger cars, but this secondary impact was so reduced that only one causality resulted on the train. This was Harry Martin, another H&SW engineer who had been on sick leave and was travelling to Bridgewater to report for duty. He seems to have been the only one to have taken alarm at the whistling, and had just opened the heavy side door of the baggage car to see what was going on when the crash threw it back on one of his hands crushing it severely.

Death and disaster prevailed outside. The startled people on the platform were not slow to realize but for the chance circumstance that the mixed engine had been standing in a position to break the first shock of the collision, the lumber would have rained down right on top of the group, resulting in 30 or more fatalities rather than the actual 4. As the roar from the escaping steam faded away, people ran to the wrecked engines and traced the cries and groans that came from the debris, discovering that three men were trapped but still alive. Low, the section foreman had been buried under a handcar and 10,000 feet of lumber in front of the freight house. Willing hands attacked the grotesquely piled lumber but Low was dead by the time they reached him. He had been hit in the face by a flying plank and his nose driven into his skull. He also suffered a great many other serious injuries including spinal, yet, with all this he lived for some time after the crash.

Enos Crooks, Fireman of the passenger/mixed train had been thrown from his cab and buried under a rain of timber. His left leg had been torn off below the knee; both wrists broken and his right leg holed in such a way as to expose the arteries. In addition, both hips were fractured and there were internal injuries. He lived for a short time after being rescued but died on route to hospital.

Engineer Willard Phelan of the passenger/mixed was extracted from the wreckage of his locomotive cab. Flying timber had severed his left leg, his right fractured in several places and severe internal injuries. Phelan never lost consciousness and as rescuers lifted him from the wreckage he said, "Boys, it's all over for me. My poor wife and child!" He then asked, "What happened to Enos, did he get away?" By 12:30 p.m., the passing track at the junction had been cleared away and H&SW officials rushed Phelan by special train to the Victoria General Hospital in Halifax where he died at 8:30 p.m., conscious to the last.

An inquiry was held and the verdict was that Extra No. 5 was carelessly overloaded and insufficiently manned thereby greatly contributing to the collision.

Crooks left a wife and two children at Lunenburg, Low, a wife and nine children at Fauxberg near Mahone Bay, and Phelan a wife and child at Bridgewater.

On another occasion, February 24,1911, the grim reaper again rode the rails. No. 12 train from Port Wade to Lunenburg derailed about 1/2 mile from New Germany. The rear trucks of the third and forth cars from the engine went off the tracks but remained coupled to the engine and alongside the tracks. The fifth car and two other cars of freight, together with the baggage car and passenger coach, went down the embankment and on their sides. The baggage car immediately took fire destroying all the mails and baggage. The baggagemaster, Orrin M. McLaughlin was found later pinned underneath the baggage car, having been partly consumed by fire. The brakeman, Lockhart B. Sargent was found underneath the passenger coach, crushed, it would seem as if he was thrown through the window.

This incident and others of similarity ushered in the end of mixed trains. In the subsequent investigation of the cause, the findings of the jury were that, as far as could be ascertained, the cause was rotten ties. Two other points that were strongly brought forth were the force of sectionmen maintaining the road was of insufficient numbers and the routine of attaching passenger coaches to heavy freight trains.

It may have been only coincidence but these wrecks marked the turning point in the flood of railway accidents that had been steadily mounting for half a century.

In a few short years after these tragic wrecks, many new and revised safety standards were adopted and the new Railway Board had begun to put "teeth" into its safety requirements. By 1914, railways adopted the Safety First Department, which so drastically reduced the once common hazards of railroading. In 1915, the Workers Compensation Act was passed guaranteeing the welfare of workers in all classes of industry.

In the years since the Halifax and Southwestern, the line continued to grow. Mighty Mikados and Pacifics roared over the hills where little Moguls and Ten-Wheelers struggled in the early 1900's. Eventually, the H&SW and later the C.N.R.'s, what finally became known as the Chester Subdivision, lost its bulk of passenger traffic to the automobile and busses until finally withdrawn on October 27,1969. Inevitably, freight traffic followed with the improvements in the highway system and the entire line was systematically abandoned between 1976 and 1993. The only remnant of the line that remains is from Southwestern Junction to Lakeside, just outside of Halifax.

-- Halifax Chronicle Herald --
March 1993:

Dear Editor,

On March 5, 1993, the haunting sound of the engineer's whistle was silenced forever on the South Shore. C.N. caboose #79850 rolled into history as it made its final run from East River.

Many local residents along with members of C.E.P. Local 434 watched in despair as the brakeman waved his final farewell.

Not only is it a farewell to an era, it is also a sad farewell to the many jobs dependent on the rail line. Our government has not only destroyed our rail line; they have also destroyed any hope we had of improving our environment.

What could have been a safe, profitable, and environmentally friendly means of transportation is gone. We leave our children the legacy of hundreds of trucks congesting our highways and polluting our air. Future generations will not understand how we allowed this to happen.

We in the labour movement, along with concerned citizens and businessmen, struggled unsuccessfully to save our rail lines. It is small consolation that we fought many battles. In the end, we lost the war.

Have a good nite all and stay safe!

Fergie

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, October 3, 2008 8:20 PM

G'day Gents!

Many thanx to Eric 'n Allan for providing some business at the bar on this Friday evening! Bow [bow] Comments in the 'morrow's  Acknowledgments . . . .

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We're at a multiple of TEN - time to remind all on-lookers of the way we do things 'round here <from Page One>.

"Our" Place III was locked today by Kalmbach, so "Our" Place IV has begun on this 31st day of July 2008.

Final statistics for "Our" Place III:

REPLIES: 1,254

VIEWS: 25,965

PAGES: 63

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The links to the old bars:

#1 - http://cs.trains.com/trccs/forums/451/991587/ShowPost.aspx#991587

#2 - http://cs.trains.com/forums/201/991960/ShowPost.aspx#991960

#3 - http://cs.trains.com/forums/63/1500733/ShowPost.aspx#1500733

<Note: #1 had 451 Pages - #2 had 201 Pages - #3 had 63 Pages . . . hmmmmmm>

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What's different Question [?]  Nothing! Same crew, same way of doing things and hopefully the same supporting cast that has kept us afloat all this time.

History: "Our" Place began on April 12th, 2005 on the General Discussion (Classic Trains) Forum.

Concept: An adult bar & grill for all who are interested in and familiar with "Classic Trains."

The conversations are as they would be in a neighborhood bar, where people know one another and share stories, photos and other information relevant to the idea of the Forum - Classic Trains.

All of this with some humor thrown in and the rest is simple.

Objective: Have fun!

Ground rules: Leave ALL emotional baggage and "attitudes" on the front porch.

Be inclusive with your comments through the acknowledgment of the other guy's efforts. Hit ‘n run Posts are not welcome.

Greet the bartender upon entering and order a drink or food. Pretty easy, eh  Question [?]

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Posted by Gunneral on Friday, October 3, 2008 8:03 PM

Hi Tom and all,

Leon, seeing it is now OKTOBERFEST time, a round of LARGE STEINS of Tui`s for all the guys` please, and some brockwurst sausages` to go with it! Yeah!! [yeah]

Eric. We are getting signs of spring now with some trees` starting to leaf and all our fruit trees` in blossom.Smile [:)] Some fine pix of your X2000, rotary snowplow, Class R 0-10-0 loco, the headlight, another snowy pic for Tom, the X2000 resistor and the trolley.Approve [^]Thumbs Up [tup]

Fergie. Good to see you in.Smile [:)]Thumbs Up [tup]

CM3. Good to see you sir. Good baseball quote for the day.Smile [:)]Thumbs Up [tup]

Nick. You must be really chuffed to get your trains running again after all your hard work on the trackwork.Approve [^] A great dinner menu, I am back on my "See food diet" again!Dinner [dinner]Thumbs Up [tup]

Rob. Nice to hear you had a great trip to the RCAF museumSmile [:)], it`s good to find that they`ve saved and restored a Halifax bomber there, pity it wo`nt be able to fly, from the looks of your photos they have done a superb job of the restorationWow!! [wow], the VC plaque memorials and the cairn for 6 Group RCAF look very nostalgic.Sad [:(]Smile [:)]Thumbs Up [tup]

Tom. Great to hear your Doc gave you a warrant of fitness.Yeah!! [yeah] Glad you enjoyed the Gordon Lightfoot concert, nice link to the Fox Theatre and the GC RR`s #29 on Youtube. Anne Murray is a real favourite of my bride too.Approve [^] Another fine set of pix from the St L MOT from Pete`s visit with you. A good Passenger Train Nostalgia #23 with the Santa Fe AD and the Fallen Flags #20 on the SP&S RR.Bow [bow]Smile [:)]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by EricX2000 on Friday, October 3, 2008 7:31 PM

God evening Captain Tom and all present!!

Leon, a cold Tui, please1

Aha, I think we might be up to something tonight. The Octoberfest!! I'll be back later to have a lot of fun and a lot to eat! No sauerkraut though!

Thought I should show this old, classic interurban now. It is today residing at the Orange Empire Railway Museum, Perris, CA. Interesting place!

 

Pacific Electric #314.

 

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"Our" Place IV - <est 12 Apr 2005> Adults 'n Classic Trains
Posted by siberianmo on Friday, October 3, 2008 3:59 PM

G'day Gents!

Thanx to Eric, our Sandman, I'm able to provide yet another spate o' fotos from the adventures of The Proprietor ‘n Bar Chandler, begun a few weeks ago . . . Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Why Question [?] Because it's "You Post, I Post" at this Watering Hole by the Wayside! Thumbs Up [tup]

Here's the NEXT TO LAST batch . . .

Rule of Six Suspended <by two>!

(1) Historic Barrett Station now used as a visitor's center, gift shop ‘n snack bar

 

 

(2) Panama Canal lock towing locomotive #662 at StL MoT <Kirkwood>

(3)

 

  

(4) Chicago & Illinois Midland 2-8-2 Mikado #551 at StL MoT <Kirkwood>

(5)  

  

(6) The Sellers Turntable

(7)

(8)

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Enjoy! Thumbs Up [tup]

Tom  Captain [4:-)] Pirate [oX)]

 

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Posted by EricX2000 on Friday, October 3, 2008 2:03 PM

Good afternoon Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!

Hi Ruth, this is becoming a nice habit to see you almost every day! Yes, I know. Hmm, I think I'll have a ham sandwich and a Tuborg Gold, please!  Tomorrow? Okay!

Just a brief stop to check if the Oktoberfest has started yet. Seems kind of slow though. I guess most people work.

I happened to stumble over this picture last night. It shows how I am rewarding my colleageue, Per, a resistor from the X2000. He managed to burn it during the first test runs in the fall of 1989. He was the first to do it but not the last. 

 

 

I don't think he has it framed on the wall. The electric in the background is a class Rc1 from 1967. Photo: Christer Sjöborg
 

Ruth, a round for the house!

I'll be back later.

Eric 

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"Our" Place IV - <est 12 Apr 2005> Adults 'n Classic Trains
Posted by siberianmo on Friday, October 3, 2008 11:15 AM

G'day Gents!

Another Friday ‘n another end of the work week visit from Shane! Thumbs Up [tup]

Just returned home after getting the "okay" for another 3 months of living from my Doc . . . <phew> Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

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Here's something from our sub-basement archives room that hasn't been seen ‘round here in awhile . . .

The Passenger Railroad Fallen Flags of "Our" Place #20

 

 

Here's another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads: 

Spokane, Portland & Seattle (SP&S)

<A form of this was initially Posted on 11 Oct 2005, Page 134 at "Our" Place I> 

  http://cs.trains.com/forums/129/991587/ShowPost.aspx

  

Caveat: The information provided is NOT all inclusive and is reflective only of the periods mentioned.  


Headquarters: Portland, OR

Mileage in 1950: 968

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 93

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 3,547
Passenger cars: 48

  

Principal routes in 1950:

Portland-Spokane, WA
Portland-Seaside, WA
Portland-Eugene, OR (subsidiary Oregon Electric Railway)
Wishram, WA-Bend, OR subsidiary Oregon Trunk Railway)



Passenger trains of note:

Columbia River Express [Portland-Spokane)
Empire Builder (Portland-Chicago)
Oriental Limited (Portland-Chicago)
Western Star (Portland-Chicago)
North Coast Limited (Portland-Chicago)
Mainstreeter (Portland-Chicago)



Of note: SP&S handled GN's Empire Builder, Oriental Limited and Western Star between Portland and Spokane; SP&S handled NP's North Coast Limited and Mainstreeter between Portland and Pasco, WA




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 Some drumheads of the SP&S

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Enjoy! Thumbs Up [tup]

Tom
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Posted by coalminer3 on Friday, October 3, 2008 9:00 AM

Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.  Gas is at $3.75 here this a.m. Weather cool and clear skies promised throughout the weekend. 

Baseball-related quote for the day and one of my favorites from Yogi, "Ninety percent of the game is half mental." 

Well, as promised we are back at our old spot.  I trust everybody is getting ready for Oktoberfest.  Boris does look snappy in the bison hide lederhosen and boondockers, I must say.  A quick heads up from our reporter high atop Majestic Mount Mentor - he sends greetings to all and says that these seasonal festivities should get everyone "warmed up" for the darts tournament. 

NHL season opens (for real) on Saturday. For Eric, the Penguins and Senators will be playing in Stockhom. Other exotic opener is the Rangers and Lightning in Prague. We do get Pitsburgh Sports Network here (part of the package is we get to suffer with the Pirates) but I have not checked to see if the Pens will be on or not.

Rob - Visits like that are fun.  Folks will say, "There's nothing in the hosue to eat," and the next thing you know you have a full dinner with homegrown vegetables and made from scratch biscuits, pie and coffee.  Thanks for sending the RCAF pictures of the memorials - well done!  Also the Halifax restoration looks good as well.  IIRC, there are none of those flyable?

Eric - As near as I could tell from looking at the C&O engine when I was out there, most of it was original equipment.  I enjoyed the snow picture.  BTW, had to scrape frost off the car this a.m. - first time this season.  The K9 Korps is in his element as we have to drag him into the house.  They said the temperature in Phoenix was dropping to the 90s on TWC this morning.

Nick - Appreciated your comment and musical observations - natural talent is so frustrating to us mortals!  Thanks to the ghost of the landlord for his hospitality - he's a good storyteller but very soft-spoken; you have to listen very hard. 

OSP was in with all kinds of comments and observations - the fun part with N scale passenger cars is weighting them so they'll stay on the rails when backing through switches.  I used (and still do when I have a chance to do anything with the models) roof flashing for car weights.  It works quite well.  Back years ago MRC made some wonderful N scale models of C&O lightweight cars - I really had to put the weight in them but they run good now.  MRC freight cars were also excellent but they had a metal floor so weight was not a problem.  They were one of the few out there to do anything in the way of Atlantic Coast Line freight equipment.

Speaking of school cars, the New York Central ran an RDC train up in Kanwha County to get the kids to and from school.  I know I have a schedule for it somewhere - it gives me something else to hunt for now.

Go Sox - work safe 

 

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"Our" Place IV - <est 12 Apr 2005> Adults 'n Classic Trains
Posted by siberianmo on Friday, October 3, 2008 7:43 AM

<On order for my modest hardcover RR book library!>

 

 

Friday's Grin

Lines To Make You Smile

Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.

 

G'day Gents!

End o' the work week <for many> has arrived ‘n the prospect of a slow weekend at the Bar by the Ballast looms. Not a problem - it's FALL in Can-Am County ‘n time to be outdoors, doing things other than sitting at a keyboard ‘n screen. Yeah!! [yeah]

Oktoberfest activities begin in earnest this evening in Mentor Village. Big Tent entertainment - vintage train rides - flowing brew - dancers ‘n dancing. Should be a grand time for those who enjoy having fun! Wow!! [wow]

Check out our breakfast bill o' fare, fill up your coffee mug ‘n grab a few pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery case . . . Thumbs Up [tup]

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Comments from the Proprietor

It's "You Post, I Post" at the Bar by the Ballast! Thumbs Up [tup]

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Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):

Thursday - October 2nd <all times Central daylite>:

Page 29 - Nick <nickinwestwales> at 7:03 PM ‘n 7:20 PM ‘n 7:24 PM <1:03 AM ‘n 1:20 AM ‘n 1:24 AM Friday GMT>: A fine < I3> Post from our Resident Londoner in Wales! Bow [bow]

What I had to say regarding the Lightfoot concert was from the heart ‘n I'm glad it came thru that way. Thumbs Up [tup] I'm hardly in a position to be a critic of his or any other performer's work - but what I can offer are my feelings at the time of attendance. It truly was an experience to remember ‘n cherish. Just fantastic. Wow!! [wow]

Regarding those couplers, I will say that when the Can-Am Railway was constructed, one "baseline" I strived to achieve was to ensure the track was on the level. You may recall my description of a previous layout where the cork roadbed expanded ‘n contracted so much, thereby causing me serious grief with uncouplings, derailments ‘n PP operation. So, perhaps my coupling challenge wasn't quite the same as those you've experienced IF "levelness" is an issue. I have NO grades - none - zero, zip, zilch. The scenery rises ‘n falls, giving illusion where needed . . . something picked up at a model RR show.

Now, I'm not saying that I don't use shims ‘n washers to keep those <censored> couplers at the acceptable heights - for I do. And I've found that with passenger cars, it becomes even more of a pain in the Patoot between manufacturers <ConCor - Rivarossi - Walthers - IHC - Proto>. Once matched, all's right with my world of trains! <grin>

A shame that Pete will miss the Thursday nite Special Menu from our Chef [C=:-)] Chief Chef! <burp>

One fine day we shall have to discuss the twists ‘n turns behind the decisions put upon us by those who "know better." The Metric System being just one topic - ‘n we'd have to get to the bottom line before the impact of good ale ‘n fine wine takes its toll. <grin>

You continue to amaze me with things like "multiple of 12" . . . it never occurred to me in relation to the earth's circumference. There's much more to our humble musician than meets the eye! Hmmmmmm. Thumbs Up [tup]

Back to the couplers: Ya know, methinks that the horn-hooks are less problemsome <especially when the uncoupling pin gets sheared!> than the knuckle variety. I've reconfigured my passenger fleet to the knuckles ‘n what a pain in the Patoot that was! And they do not provide the kind of reliability expected, given the cost of those <censored> things! I've tried several brands ‘n have yet to find the "fool proof" brand. Sometimes just reversing the car in the consist will "do it" - but hardly ever can figure out what caused the problem. <arrrrrrgggggghhhhh> The joy of the hobby, ehQuestion [?]

One of these days I'm going to call you ‘n work out an arrangement whereby you will meet me at whatever airport is convenient to you - then I'll spend a few nights in your part of the Isles in whatever Inn you select for my humble needs - ride some trains  drink lots of beer - listen to some live tunes from your band <but NOT too LOUD!> - drink more beer -ride more trains! Then a return to mid-continent USA with an experience to carry me through the remainder of my continuum on this planet. Ahhhhhhh, to dream! Thumbs Up [tup]

Land of the 3 horse shoesQuestion [?] I must've missed something along the way . . . Confused [%-)]

Many thanx for the fine bill o' fare in the food department - ROUNDs ‘n good cheer ‘n chat! Bow [bow] Thumbs Up [tup]

 

 

Friday - October 3rd:

Page 29 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 12:47 AM ‘n 1 AM <1:47 AM ‘n 2 AM EDT>: "In" with a bewitching hour two-fer from  Count Robulla! <bwaaaaaaaahahaha> Well, we're in the right month for it - Halloween is at the end! <grin>

Appears you had a fine day ‘n your fotos came through just fine! Bow [bow] Thumbs Up [tup]

Every time I view those WWII flying MoSheens, my thoughts go to images of skies full o' planes, all laden with bombs to help put an end to the industrial might of the madmen who plunged Europe ‘n other places into a nightmare. It's good that there are places where one can go to see them up close ‘n personal! Thumbs Up [tup] I liked that shot of the VC recipients - nice touch with the red rose. Bow [bow]

Absolutely, the school cars were a part of our collective history ‘n it's good to know that there still is evidence of their existence! Thumbs Up [tup]

I'll bet those who man the ploughs have some interesting stories to tell - especially from back in the day when things were ALWAYS tougher, meaner ‘n worse-er than today! <grin>

Appreciate the visits, fotos, chat ‘n good cheer! Bow [bow] Thumbs Up [tup]

 

 

Page 29 - Eric <EricX2000> at 2:06 AM <12:06 AM Sandbox time>: And another Nite Owl on the scene, this time our Sandman! Bow [bow]

All girls with black hair are brunettesQuestion [?] Say what!?!?!?! That one "lost" me Confused [%-)]. . . <grin>

Now that snow picture IS what I'd call a winter's scene! Thumbs Up [tup] Bow [bow] Lovely, absolutely wunnerful! <grin>

Figured it had to be one of those two relics sitting over where the RDC is at MoT StL . . . for some reason, I'm having a problem finding my other fotos . . . so, I'll just wait for your answer. Thumbs Up [tup]

You ‘n Pete "wonder" about the most amazing things! But then again, being "detail" kinda guys, it figgers! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] I'm guessing - but why wouldn't the headlight be original - or if not the first one - one that was in use at the time of retirementQuestion [?] Guess that kinda info simply isn't available to the general public. Hmmmmmmm. Nah - I'm NOT going to browse to find out! <grin>

Another < I3 > Post from our Resident NOCTURNAL Desert almost-RETIRED Swede! Thanx for the ROUND . . . Bow [bow] Thumbs Up [tup]

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Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.

TODAY is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!

Saturday is Steak ‘n All The Trimmings Nite!

Dinner begins at 5 PM Dinner [dinner] so come early ‘n often! Yeah!! [yeah]

Cindy is our Saturday bartender! Yeah!! [yeah]

Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

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Posted by EricX2000 on Friday, October 3, 2008 2:06 AM

Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!

Leon, I just want a cold Tui, that's it. It's almost time to go to bed. 

I guess Pete has touched down in the old country by now. I hope he will have a nice and interesting vacation and that his camera will work all the time! No soda pop or anything else liquid in the black bag.

Tom –  Thanks for the link to the Grand Canyon Rly video.Thumbs Up [tup] I noticed that two of the former RDC’s were included in the consist.Grumpy [|(] When we rode the train to Grand Canyon it was behind #29! Smile [:)]

No, you are wrong, the brunettes will be easy to find.Yeah!! [yeah] In my opinion all girls with black hair are also considered being brunettes!Smile [:)] But what I meant was that maybe there will be time at the next Rendezvous for me to explain the difference between the old country brunette and the Hooter’s brunette! And the ABBA brunette!Whistling [:-^]

I know it wasn’t Fergie’s birthday, but since he was nice enough to wish all of us a Happy Birthday I wanted to do the same thing for him.Smile [:)]

Thanks for the photos from MoT!Thumbs Up [tup] I just noticed something I missed before. The caboose and refrigerator car next to the semaphore are sitting on an short stretch of track with no connection to the other tracks!Shock [:O] Chesapeake & Ohio #2727 is a very impressive locomotive!  I wonder if the headlight is original?Question [?]


The headlight.

 

Nice Santa Fe ad! Thumbs Up [tup]

I am afraid you picked the wrong locomotive, that is not the one in my picture.Smile [:)] I’ll reveal the answer tomorrow (Friday).

Fergie –  I agree, I hope that GC #29 will find a new home and be hauling trains again. I think GC Railways is doing something they will regret.Sigh [sigh]

CM3 –  You are right, I tried to remove you and Tom using Photoshop but it didn’t work. I don’t know what to do.Angry [:(!] Maybe I can paste something on top of you?Mischief [:-,]

Nick –  Wow, living in a former pub!Oops [oops] Have you found the bar?

You are so right! I have already seen the Honey Do list. It is loooong!Dead [xx(]

I bet the 1:80 climb through reverse curves on your layout is a tough one. Wow. Thanks for the info!Thumbs Up [tup]

Rob –  I would love to build a layout, but I don’t have room for any.Grumpy [|(] I have some ideas, hopefully I will be able to do something about it. 

No, I am afraid Tom picked the wrong locomotive for my mystery picture. It is a well known type from the 1800’s. Smile [:)]

Thanks for the report and pictures from the RCAF Museum!Smile [:)] Airplanes have always interested me! I was in the Air Force during my military service. Interesting to see that Halifax recovered from a Norwegian lake. It looks real nice.Yeah!! [yeah] Amazing, considering all the years it spent in the lake. Do you know the name of the lake?Question [?]



A last snowy picture!

 

Round for the house!

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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, October 3, 2008 1:00 AM

Well Leon another Keiths if you don't mind,the first one dissapeared somehow.Whistling [:-^] So a few shots from the RCAF Museum on CFB Trenton in Trenton Ontario. 

The Museum itself,converted repair hanger on the base.

Part of the memorial stones project at the Museum. Along the airpark they have paths and beside the paths are comemerative stones for RCAF and allied pilots,past and presant ( families request and pay for them ) This grouping was done by Vetrans affairs for all the RCAF VC recipients.

Cairn raised for the number six bomber group RCAF with all the squadron crests.

Three shots of Halifax MK111 NA337 currently under cosmetic restoration.This is ten yeasr worth of work,remembering that this aircraft was recovered from 400+ feet of water in a Norwegian lake after it was ditched  there in 1945.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, October 3, 2008 12:47 AM

Well good evening Leon,and you thought you could close up early.A keith's my good man oh and what the heck the shrimp Nick whipped up smell mighty fine Thumbs Up [tup]Our one day trip ended up as a day and three quarters.Since we were only an hour from Kingston we ended going up there as well ( I have two aunts there ) ended up on one of the aunts doorstep and she wouldn't dream of us taking her out for dinner so she cooked for us and we talked into the late hours and ended up on her pull out couch. Oh well so we made it back late this evening.I must say though that the RCAF Museum in Trenton is almost as good as the Canadian Warplane Herritage in Hamilton ( the only thing that makes them less perfect is that their planes don't fly ) seriously though they are a first class operation and even though the building is under renovation they still make a great show,and well worht the visit.

Tom-It's good that the concert was so good for you,not that it shouldn't be. Gordon's a favourite of mine as well. Great new features on the steam locomotives as well sir Thumbs Up [tup] Mikes are a fan fav of mine and the brit info's always interesting.Nice to see a few more action shots from the Canam as well.

Wasn't the info on that school car neat. Too bad we were there on a day it's closed as the interior is completly restored right down to the calss room and the front third of the car that was the teacher and his families living area.Once the highways were finally built there just wasn't a need anymore,but at one point CN CP and BC rail all operated school cars in the northern areas .

I don't figure that the windows on any plow are more than a formality,but safety says they gotta be there.

Pete-Safe travels my friend.Don't get to used too that warm Dead [xx(] beer, as we are not gonna serve it here.Best we will do for you is to microwave a bottle for you should the need arrise.Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Fergie-Wow in with a vengance this week that's grrrreat Thumbs Up [tup] as a certain tiger would say.Loved the shots from the MESS Thumbs Up [tup] I know that your pressed for time on your trip but if you can get to the RCAF Museum in Trenton try to,it's worth it truly is Thumbs Up [tup]I'll pput up a few more Goderich shots,lots more semi dissassembled units there and others just stored.Rail Link / Rail America own teh Goderich and Exeter now, still lots of traffic but they are now cursed with Rail Links run em till they drop then go find or lease something else mentality.

Shane-Ah yes the worth of any railway is it's shops. The GEXR used to have a great shop  ( still do ) but the new owners are more about the bottom line than anything else.Thumbs Down [tdn]

Nick-Great photo's of the old layout,looks like things are progressing ( farther than my own at the moment )

Eric-Couple neat pictures from you the last couple days.Love the closeup of the boxpok drivers on that one locomotive. NYC unit Question [?] Great snow eater as well Thumbs Up [tup]Happy almost next retirement as well,down to the final ten days and counting I see.Time to build a layout I think.Big Smile [:D] Not sure about your mysetry pic,the shot Tom put up certainly seems like a winner though.

Allan-Glad that you liked the shots from Goderich. The trip to the RCAF musuem was wonderfull.Their main exhibit is the only Handely Page Halifax bomber that is in tact in the world ( she'll never fly ) but the ten years of restoration and reassbly on her has her looking quite good and they are still at it.The Halifax really was bomber commands man work horse but tehy aer always over looked by the Lancaster. Over 40,000 sorties were flown over Eurpoe and Africa by Halifax Bombers ( 30,000 by number 6 group RCAF )

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Posted by nickinwestwales on Thursday, October 2, 2008 7:24 PM

Well then gents-Its been an interesting day-please accept a drink with the ghost of the landlord of the 3 Horseshoes inn,Llangwm.......................Whistling [:-^]

Take care now-

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Posted by nickinwestwales on Thursday, October 2, 2008 7:20 PM

Right then-its grab a plate time:-tonight we have,cod in beer batter,plaice in breadcrumbs,lemon sole poached in wine and herbs,smoked mackeral with hot breads,middle cut wing of skate in black butter sauce,grilled red snapper,all with crispy golden fries,petits pois and side salad

Or for a bar snack,a pint of prawns with a tray of dipping sauces or a basket of scampi,also with the sauce tray......

Enjoy

Speak soon

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Posted by nickinwestwales on Thursday, October 2, 2008 7:03 PM

And here we are -back again-Leon,a top up here please,and I`m sure the boys will join me-also,could you ask/tell Boris & Copperkettle to make sure the friers are on,there is fish to be cooked this night and if crispy golden fries are not forthcoming questions will be asked-long dark difficult questions............

O.K:- to the business of the night...

ALLAN-Glad you enjoyed the pix mate Thumbs Up [tup]-as I am sure you will appreciate,with a layout of any size,one starts by sketching out the rough framework then fills in the details a bit at a time-this is about where I am at just now-delighted that it is running again,will concentrate on the detail stuff during the winter season when extended running sessions are impractical.....

ERIC-11 DAYS AND COUNTING !!!!!-don`t worry mate ,you will be astonished by the length of the `Honey Do` list you will be presented with when you finally think that your time is your own......And if you have nothing else on-perhaps a small layout,to give your collection somewhere to `stretch their legs`-R.E. My layout-the big hill is about 1:40-steep but not impassible-the 1:80 climb through the reverse curves is harder.....The train is 6 cars-3x Lima & 3x Hornby-the Lima cars have metal wheels and the Hornby plastic-which adds a lot to the drag factor..

Pirate [oX)]Captain [4:-)]TOM-My dear friend-I can FEEL your pleasure..Thumbs Up [tup]Approve [^]Thumbs Up [tup]-Would have LOVED to have been at that gig with you and Carol-one of the greats-can take vicarious pleasure-from your enjoyment of a great show -wonderful Approve [^]

Now to couplers-must confess-have had no probs with either Athearn or Walthers gear-apart from bending the `tail` up to clear turnouts,which I assume is standard practice.... Model Power are the tricky ones-hard to sort,need lots of shimming-frankly not worth the effort if you have a rake of them-just the outer cars,leave the rest as horn-hooks........Now-Expo `67-Somewhere in the family vaults we still have my grandads slides from there-can remember being Hannahs age and seeing this whole different world on the projector...big goggle eyes.....

Glad you enjoyed the layout pix-and some fine ones of your own Thumbs Up [tup]-now-a token freight on the high line-now theres a thought Evil [}:)]...........Thanx for passing along my number to PETE-Thumbs Up [tup]-like you,I cant be doing with the metric system-multiples of ten..wheres the sense in that-it`s madness-12 is the multiple of choice-is a natural divisor of the earths circumferance and so much more...........

FERGIE`s B/date-I feel we should run a book on this-Vito will hold the stakes-I will put my dollar on 1957....

ERIC-A strange loco-no flanges on the wheels......

TOM-(again)-another fine set of pix-with the appropriate descriptive plates-top man Thumbs Up [tup]

FERGIE-glad you enjoyed the pix-rules/guidelines-it`s a thin line.....Whistling [:-^]-now :-mud wrestling-for the expert,we recommend jello wrestling-the same thrills and spills,but tastes a lot nicer afterwards-this observation made without predjudice..............................

SHANE-Glad you enjoyed the pix-Am a big fan of piano jazz-to peel it back a bit further,huge fan of Johhnie Johnson (Chuck Berry`s piano man) -actually wrote many of Chucks`s songs-never credited with anything....hmmmm---whilst we are on the subject-saw some footage of a Jeff Beck band at the Crossroads blues festival or something-just him,a 14 year old girl playing bass and a mad drummer-check it out-totally beyond belief-a complete wake up call to any aspiring guitar player......And this is a man who only plays the guitar when he can be bothered--left me undecided between laughing and crying-comes with the Chef [C=:-)]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]rating....

O.K:-lets post this before it gets lost

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, October 2, 2008 6:56 PM

<from the Park Car dome of the westbound Canadian - the Canadian Shield - personal foto>

 

G'day Gents!

Time again to get a leg-up on the Acknowledgments! Good to see the daylite support continuing! Shane ‘n Nick being the most recent! . . . Bow [bow]

Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):

Thursday - October 2nd <all times Central daylite>:

Page 29 - Eric <EricX2000> at 12:47 PM <10:47 AM Sandbox time>: Sounding like a broken record <remember those!?!?!?> many THANX for bailing us out during a time of inactivity. With the "You Post, I Post" scheme of things, even a few lines HELPS! Bow [bow]

Is THIS the "one" in your QuizQuestion [?]

And yes, I'm waiting for the day when we'll receive enuf SNOW to justify the use of that Monster MoSheen of a rotary snow eater-upper! <grin>

As always, THANX for the visit ‘n ROUND! Thumbs Up [tup] Bow [bow]

Page 29 - Fergie <Fergmiester> at 1:20 PM <3:20 PM ADT>: A super-fine mid-daylite visit from our Resident Canadian Maritime Mariner, who for all intents ‘n purposes <no Boris, NOT all in tents and porpoises! Good Gawd Gertie . . . > appears to be striving to earn the title of regular at the bar! Hmmmmmm, wonder if he'd make it thru the initiation Question [?] Hmmmmmmm.

I do believe we can chalk up this latest Post as being your FIRST that has met the full criteria of INCLUSIVE - INFORMATIVE ‘n INTERESTING <aka: I3 >. This of course provides us with more line with which to hang you with, my friend, when you fail to continue the practice! <yikes>

The way I figure it when it comes to fotos - once they get into the PhotoBucket - which is the time consumer - then it's simply a matter of downloading at one's leisure. I've got zillions by now . . . as you KNOW. Procrastination is a killer when it comes to this drill. <ugh> Anyway, we're really only looking for some Wednesday material from your layout. We've got plenty from the crew for the remainder of the week. So, don't pressure yourself . . . Thumbs Up [tup]

Meatloaf! We'll be there with napkins "tucked" ‘n appetites at the ready! <ummmmmmm> Some hearty brown gravy, I presumeQuestion [?] Dinner [dinner] Some red wine for Carol, ‘n I'll stick with a tankard of Keiths - thanx! <grin>

Fair warning: Never, ever fall to complacency with the Proprietor when it comes to the <tweeter>! ‘nuf said . . .

Comment regarding kids, litter ‘n wet nurse all ring bells - been there done that ‘n sooooooo glad it's over! <phew>

LadiesQuestion [?] MoiQuestion [?] WhatQuestion [?] I'm only possessive of Cindy - the blonde ABBA gal ‘n Anne Murray! Then of course, there's "me bride" <as Pete would say>, the gal around the corner <ooooooops> - best to quit while ahead, ehQuestion [?] <grin>

Extra mayo ‘n fries most definitely will destroy that "pool boy" physique you're trying to achieve! But not to worry, the Keiths will "flush" it out . . . Thumbs Up [tup]

Enjoy having you with us ‘n appreciate the visit! Bow [bow] Thumbs Up [tup]

Page 29 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 2:23 PM <3:23 PM EDT>: Another PM surprise from the guy who said . . . doesn't matter - you DID make it "in." Bow [bow]

BoSox won! BoSox won! They seem to have the "whammy thing" on the Angels when playoff times comes ‘round. I recall being in SoCal when they eliminated them back in the mid/late 1980s . . . I really wasn't rooting for either team then, as I was immersed in other things. But on that particular evening, some of the crew dragged my sorry caboose to a sports bar, ‘n in between mugs of brew, I observed the place go from a frenzy to a morgue-like atmosphere as your Sox put it to ‘em. Anyway, jumping to an opening game win in a 5-game series is a big deal . . . Looks like Manny has shown that the Dodgers made a good move, eh Question [?] We'll see how all of this shakes out, but wouldn't it be something to see the long-haired <expletive> play in Fenway wearing Dodger blue <actually, traveling grey>Question [?]

You mentioned Slap Shot the cult hockey film the other day . . . I think it's on the agenda for an ENCORE at the Emporium. A most funny flick ‘n one that Paul Newman did an excellent job in. Surely wish the sequel wudda been made with the same cast, rather than that near 10 year delay . . . anyway, we'll get to see it again - promise! Thumbs Up [tup]

Oh yeah, I've drooled over those fine looking cars that Walthers came out with. BUT, I'm holding the line. My inventory of passenger cars is complete <sez the guy who just shot a wad on steam locos for no reason other than he wanted ‘em!> . . . <grin>

And . . . petrol has dropped to a tenth under $3.50 up at "Collusion Corner." Still a long, long way from where it had been prior to the two recent Gulf hurricanes . . . <barf>

Many thanx for the visit - quarters ‘n ROUND! Bow [bow] Thumbs Up [tup]

Page 29 - Nick <nickinwestwales> at 5:20 PM <11:20 PM GMT>: Greetings, Lad! Thumbs Up [tup] You've gotten the hang of it quite well ‘n your "bookmark" helps a great deal in keeping our Bar by the Ballast in a prominent position! Bow [bow]

Your "dress" remark reminds me of when I was stationed <posted> in California. I called it the breakfast cereal state: the land of fruits, nuts ‘n flakes. <ooomigosh!> How mean spirited, ehQuestion [?]

Pete's on the wing . . . see previous comments including mine to YOU regarding the relay of your fone number.

Book-packer by trade, ehQuestion [?] Well as long as the salary "spends" - why not, sez I! Thumbs Up [tup]

Three horseshoesQuestion [?] And Jerusalem from a previous PostQuestion [?] Hmmmmm.

Appreciate the visit! Bow [bow] Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by nickinwestwales on Thursday, October 2, 2008 5:20 PM

Evening all-just a bookmark whilst I get myself on-side,-Leon,brimming tankards of the finest foaming ale if you please--Been an interesting day on a number of levels-Am now a fully fledged book-packer,have recently discovered that an aquaintance of ours named Alan now wishes to be known as Alison (and is saving up to go to California to make the decision permanent)-well if the dress fits-wear it says I..........also,it seems that betweem 1843 & 1893 our house was the village pub-the three horseshoes-explains a lot I suspect..........Confused [%-)]Whistling [:-^]

Right-back directly

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Posted by coalminer3 on Thursday, October 2, 2008 2:23 PM
Good afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. We're done gathering raw data from the competition, next is to crunch the nos. and, as Lars would say, see who the "winAHS" might be.

Fergie stopped by with a fine collection of layout pictures. UP engine is on tour, I assume. If I had one B&O book to get it would be Staufer's B&O Power - I don't even know if its in print but is a great collection of pictures and information.

Eric - 11 and counting...Nice Grand Canyon picture. Sorry I got in your photo- there's some things even Photo Shop can't handle (lol).

Nick - "Game's afoot" picture is a nice looking train. Also liked your last one of the passenger cars and the new trackwork.

Allan was by with comments.

OSP - Glad you enjoyed your concert. Appreciated seeing the revenue cars roll on the CanAm. Have you seen the new Walthers catalog? They are selling stainless clad Superliners. Also, their new train set is 20th Century Limited with lightning strip E units.  Also enjoyed the MOT shots.  Your ATSF post hit just as I was getting ready to send mine.  There is a new book on PRR diners similar to the ATSF item you showed. 

Gotta get out of here as I am being summoned again (no Awk, not summonsed). See y'all tomorrow.

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, October 2, 2008 2:20 PM

G'day All!

The Fegmiester, acting almost like a REGULAR ‘round here, visited this day which in turn has sprung me loose with this from our sub-basement archives! Bow [bow] For it's the "You Post, I Post" idea that either makes or breaks the daylite segment of our Tavern by the Tracks . . .

Always a pleasure having our Resident Canadian Maritime Mariner on board . . . but watch it! There's ALWAYS a <tweeting> waitin' for ya! <uh oh>

More in my next round of Acknowledgments . . . Thumbs Up [tup]

I see Shane logged on! Thumbs Up [tup]

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PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #23

<Initially Posted on 10 Nov 2005, Page 159 at "Our" Place I>

  

http://cs.trains.com/trccs/forums/159/991587/ShowPost.aspx#991587

Here's something to enjoy regarding the Santa Fe (AT&SF) from a 1950 advertisement in my personal collection.

 

  

You arrive and depart Down-Town on the Santa Fe

- not out in the country 

  

When you're gong somewhere, you want to be there when you arrive.

Go Santa Fe. You leave on your trip when you plan to leave.

You arrive relaxed, refreshed, at a convenient station right downtown, close to your hotel or office.

Travel Santa Fe and you choose accommodations to suit yourself. You get privacy as you like it. You have room to roam around when you want it. You enjoy wonderful Fred Harvey meals.

You be the judge. Go Santa Fe all the way!

Ride great trains through a great country!

Santa Fe

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Enjoy! Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by Fergmiester on Thursday, October 2, 2008 1:20 PM

Good Afternoon Captain Tom and Crew

I'll have a Western with extra mayo with a side order of fries with a Keith's on tap please.

It's a windy and wet one here today unfortunately  "plans of mice and men" has prevailed so it's been bust on the MESS. Rain was a perfect outto get work done however due to lack of Turnouts (unlike voting day) available at the LHS and the brakes going on the van and the need of a haircut... The day is just about done... along with the meatloaf I've so busily prepared!

Tom: many thanks for the offerings of British Steam. Some day I will be able to scan my stuff and make it available hopefully before we lose anyone to old age. I've been promising to do something about my pics these last several years. Someday!

Pete: You know it's bad when one has an "International" repuatation! Shame on you! Maybe we should all invest in lessons for you, maybe a Christmas present...

Nick: Thank You for the Pics! Always an inspiration when they are shared. Unfortunately I will have to take more and get my reserves up. BTW I appreciate a "Regular Rule Breake" as it takes the heat off of me and keeps me in Tom's good book.

Shane: This thing with Tom's Ladies... This could get interesting I may stick around to see this this Big Smile [:D] Could be the next Grudge Match!!

Eric: Excellent pic of the GC Consolidation. Hate to lose another one to the time bandits but this unfortunately is life.

Shane: Tom is so right with regards to proper stowage! After 27 years of being bounced I am still constantly badgering, even the old hands to "Tie her down twice" Unfortunately even I get caught from time to time... rarely,very rarely though! I must say though the home front is a bit different as the kiddies have worn me down and I have relented to some degree. I refuse to become a "wet Nurse"!

ANyway Gents thank you for the chat!

Later

Fergie

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, October 2, 2008 1:10 PM

G'day Gents!

Rescued by Eric our Sandman! Bow [bow] I'll have to give that mystery foto of your a bit of scrutiny . . . thanx for thinking of us! Thumbs Up [tup]

Pete's flight to the UK leaves Chicago in about 3 hours . . .

Thanx for the ROUND! <clink>

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Another installment o' pix from the exploits of The Proprietor ‘n Bar Chandler, started a few weeks ago . . .

Rule of Six Suspended <by two>!

(1) C&O 2-8-4 Kanawa/Berkshire #2727 at StL MoT <Kirkwood>

(2)

(3)  

  

(4) Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range 2-10-2 Santa Fe #502 at StL MoT <Kirkwood>

(5)

(6)  

  

(7) U.R.T.X. 37467/Milwaukee Road refrigerator car <blt by GATC c. 1948-54> at StL MoT <Kirkwood>

 

  

(8) String of freight cars at StL MoT <Kirkwood>

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Posted by EricX2000 on Thursday, October 2, 2008 12:47 PM

Good afternoon Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!

Ruth, you look gorgeous, as always! Yes, a double cheeseburger would be great, please. The usual.

Kind of quiet here today. But I guess we all are busy one way or the other. I thought I should drop a phot or two while I am here.

 

What locomotive is this?Question [?]

 

Tom, you asked about more details regarding the photo from last night.

 

You know this one, parked not far from your place!Smile [:)]

 

Round for the house!

I'll be back later.

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, October 2, 2008 8:41 AM

<On order for my modest hardcover RR book library!>

 

G'day Gents!

It was a grand time at the Fox Theatre last evening as Gordon Lightfoot ‘n his 4 piece band entertained the packed house with his return <after a 14 year hiatus> to the area. What's to say Question [?] It was vintage Lightfoot with tunes ‘n lyrics that only he can claim - but they were all OURS last nite! Bow [bow] The man ‘n his music far transcended the ravages of time, which not a one of us can escape. Bow [bow] Thumbs Up [tup] Bow [bow] Thumbs Up [tup]

His lead guitarist - bass guitarist - keyboard man ‘n drummer were "spot on" ‘n one did not have to see ‘em to KNOW that the music was JUST LIKE the recordings! Bow [bow] We did see ‘em though - close enough to count the frets. <grin>

Link to the Fox Theatre!

http://www.fabulousfox.com/photo_gallery.aspx

Must've been Canada Nite in St. Louis, as the Toronto Maple Leafs were in town to receive their NHL spanking in an exhibition game against the Blues. <grin> Yes, a grand nite for many in this old town . . .

All's ready for breakfast - so let's get a move on! Yeah!! [yeah]

 

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Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):

Wednesday - October 1st <all times Central daylite>:

Page 28 - Eric <EricX2000> at 11:23 AM <9:23 AM Sandbox time>: MOST pleased to see ya during the AM daylite! Bow [bow] Thought it was going to be one of those loooooooong days <daze>. <phew> Nice SAVE! Thumbs Up [tup]

That guy in your foto might have been a tad NERVOUS "back in the day" as that section of track was a hulluvalot busier than in these times. Interesting foto! Thumbs Up [tup]

Visit ‘n ROUND always appreciated! Yeah!! [yeah]

 

 

Page 28 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 11:47 AM <12:47 PM EDT>: Just when we thought it was safe to go back in . . . .there's our Resident WVA Connection, emerging from that hole in the ground! <grin> Good to see ya ‘n appreciate your taking the time to swing by! Bow [bow]

Expanding a bit on your comments regarding what one can tell by "looking around," I feel the same way about the condition of the interior of one's car. Messy ‘n in upheaval, is revealing about other aspects of one's life. Same for a home too . . . Sailors, for the most part, learn early to stow that which may become "missile hazards" aboard ship. Should carry over to shore side as well, but in some cases never does . . .

To be sure we're planning to enjoy the live tunes from Mr. Lightfoot - a first for us ‘n something we've hoped would happen. Good things come to those who wait, ehQuestion [?]

The ROUND ‘n quarters are most appreciated too! Bow [bow] Thumbs Up [tup]

 

 

Page 28 - Fergie <Fergmiester> at 1:15 PM <3:15 PM ADT>: A finer fourseome of model railroading would be hard to find! Well done, Skipper Fergie ‘n many thanx for the insights of the M.E.S.S. railway in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia! Bow [bow] Thumbs Up [tup] Bow [bow] Thumbs Up [tup] Even a glimpse of a passenger train - something heretofore unseen by my aging eyes! Wow!! [wow] ENCORE! MORE! Bow [bow]

And the man even sprung for some libations for the crew! Whataguy, ehQuestion [?] Thumbs Up [tup] Yeah!! [yeah]

Many thanx for that extra-effort for our Wednesday Toy ‘n Model Trains Day! Bow [bow]

 

 

Page 28 - Eric <EricX2000> at 4:12 PM <2:12 PM Sandbox time>: That's the way to do it, Mate! Keep the place "up" by dropping off a quickie now ‘n then. Many thanx! Bow [bow]

Click this YouTube link for the Grand Canyon Railway's #29 ‘n train!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJaB8gezxWQ

Many thanx for the foto ‘n ROUND! Bow [bow] Thumbs Up [tup]

 

 

Page 28 - Nick <nickinwestwales> at 5:05 PM <11:05 PM GMT>: In with a quickie to keep things "alive" - CHEERS, Mate! <clink>

Yeah, those Model Power coupler conversions were a challenge, but I had MORE difficulty with the Athearn & Walther's locomotives in trying to get the heights matched up.

ROUND appreciated! Bow [bow] Thumbs Up [tup]

 

 

Page 28 - Pete <pwolfe> at 5:11 PM: Surprise Post from our Bar Chandler! Bow [bow] Pleased to see that you were able to get your ‘puter back on-line! Thumbs Up [tup] Fine inclusive Post along with all kinds of info! Wow!! [wow]

You certainly have an "eye" for the detail - a talent fer sure, fer sure. Can't slip anything past the Wolfman!  Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

My guess is that those World's Fairs ‘n Expositions simply got far too expensive for the respective areas to host. Canada's 1967 version in Montréal was one of the most successful in terms of attendance ‘n participating nations. It too ran a deficit, but purportedly not as great as predicted. Some costs for infrastructure lingered on for decades in terms of retiring the debt . . . Today, there are many interesting vestiges of Expo to be seen ‘n enjoyed throughout the area.

Yes, Gordon Lightfoot lived to perform another day . . . ‘n for that so many are glad. His music will far outlive the rest of us - thanx to the technology of the day. Thumbs Up [tup]

I'll have to keep an ear to the ground regarding that rumor of a steam excursion on the Mountain Run . . . hmmmmmmm. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

And you just HAD TO "treat" us to MORE names ‘n numbers, eh Question [?] <grin> Just want us to remember what the "data dump" days <daze> were like! <barf> Only kidding - this batch is a remembrance of the royalty aspect in the UK. Covered the bases well! Thumbs Up [tup]

Enjoyed our hour long chat ‘n wish you a safe ‘n enjoyable trip to ‘n from ‘n "in" Merry Olde! See ya at the bar in November <if not sooner!> Thumbs Up [tup]

Thanx for the visit, chat ‘n ROUND! Bow [bow] Thumbs Up [tup]

 

 

Pages 28'n 29 - Nick <nickinwestwales> at 6:52 PM ‘n 7:03 PM <12:52 AM ‘n 1:03 AM Thursday GMT>: Whole hulluvalot of effort put into that Post, Mate! Bow [bow] Thumbs Up [tup] Only wish we had the clientele to fully do justice to your work. Surely enjoyed the views ‘n appreciate all you do in order to perpetuate our Toy ‘n Model Trains Day! We had a better-er one with Fergie chiming in with his fine spate o' Pix! Yeah, was a good day for it . . . Thumbs Up [tup]

Whilst you've acknowledged the deliberate sidestepping of our "rules," neither are worth a <tweeting> given the spirit of your offering ‘n motivation in helping to keep things on a roll ‘round this Bar by the Ballast! Yeah!! [yeah]

Any help during daylite ‘round here will go a long way in keeping us afloat. But given the time difference, I wouldn't spend too much time being concerned about it. Do what you can, when you can ‘n all will work out!

Thought about you at the concert last nite ‘n imagined that you'd be seeing ‘n hearing far different views ‘n sounds than I. It was a grand time, fer sure, fer sure. What a talented man ‘n group. Wow!! [wow]

ROUND appreciated! Bow [bow] Thumbs Up [tup]

Oh yes, I'll try to get your fone number relayed to Pete who will most probably not catch your Post on-line . . . he's due at Lambert Field in St. Louis at 7 AM today <Thursday> ‘n doubt that he checked back at the bar once he finished his Post . . . Anyway, I've left it <and your message> with his wife by fone ‘n also put a message on Pete's cell fone. Thumbs Up [tup] Hope you are able to connect in the UK.

 

 

Page 29 - Allan <Gunneral> at 7:52 PM <1:52 PM Thursday NZ DST>: Most welcome visit from our Resident Downunder Boom-boom Kiwi at the bar! Bow [bow]

Always spot on with the commentary ‘n support for this Saloon by the Siding! Thumbs Up [tup]

Concert was <top drawer> as it capped off many decades of "wishing" that I'd have the chance to see ‘n hear a live performance of his. A legend ‘n someone who is definitely a one-of-a-kind. The other Canadian singer who ranks up there in my most-high esteem is MY GAL - Anne Murray. Don't ANYONE mess with her - she's mine, mine, mine! <grin>

Surely hope we never run out of interesting things to keep our crew coming back. There are all levels of participation ‘round here, ‘n each type is MUCH appreciated - as are the ROUNDS! <grin> Bow [bow] Thumbs Up [tup]

 

 

Thursday - October 2nd:

Page 29 - Eric <EricX2000> at 12:03 AM <10:03 PM Wednesday Sandbox time>: And in with his 3rd of the day - a rare TRIECTA for our Resident Desert Swede who we call the Sandman! Bow [bow] Thumbs Up [tup] ALMOST fully RETIRED, eh Question [?]

Sorry to have to tell you this, but Brunettes at the next Rendezvous may be hard to find. You see, coming out of coal country ‘n those mines - the hair is Black! <grin>

Oh, not to be confused. I KNOW the Metric system is here - in fact, it's the OH-FISH-UL policy of the U.S. Government to adopt ‘n adapt to it. But many Americans are reluctant - so that's why we continue seeing gallons as opposed to litres at the gas stations, etc. When it comes to foreign trade ‘n so forth, there is no choice. I understand it - but don't like the way it came about. Two different matters, entirely. RIP. <grin>

Just a point of clarification: Fergie's B'day is Jan 13th . . . however, despite numerous requests here ‘n by Email, the man just hasn't come across with the YEAR of birth. Ergo, he's NOT on our B'day Watch List. <oh well> Wonder who will "jump" on your greetings, thinking he just had a B'dayQuestion [?] Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Nice spate of random fotos - luv that HUGE snow MoSheen! Wow!! [wow] Some details, puleeze! Thumbs Up [tup]

Most sincere thanx for helping to keep things movin' forward at our Watering Hole by the Wayside. As I've been harping on for years - it isn't QUANTITY so much as QUALITY - ‘n everything you contribute definitely includes the latter! ROUND appreciated too . . . Bow [bow] Thumbs Up [tup]

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Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.

TODAY is Fish ‘n Chips Nite!

Friday is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!

Saturday is Steak ‘n All The Trimmings Nite!

Dinner begins at 5 PM Dinner [dinner] so come early ‘n often! Yeah!! [yeah]

Cindy is our Saturday bartender! Yeah!! [yeah]

Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

Tom Captain [4:-)] Pirate [oX)]

 

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Posted by EricX2000 on Thursday, October 2, 2008 12:03 AM

Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!

Hello Leon, a #5 with fries, please! Coffee, it's another day at the office tomorrow. 

Time for a last visit at the Tavern by the Siding for today. Pete is leaving tomorrow morning so we won't see him for some time.

Fergie –  Yes, the North Sea is shallow, that was something we learned in school. I don’t remember why, but we did.Smile [:)] The storm we went through was in September so there was no freezing spray.Wink [;)]

Thanks for the photos of the MESS!Thumbs Up [tup] Very nice! Happy Birthday to you too, real or not!Happy B-Day [bday]

Tom –  Time for the Oktoberfest!?!Yeah!! [yeah] Lots of sauerkraut, I’m afraid.Grumpy [|(] Not my kind of food.

I am sure your evening with Gordon Lightfoot was a good one. Good songs and a good singer!Yeah!! [yeah]

All those brunettes (including the brunette) are probably something for the next Rendezvous. Fixation with brunettes? Of course not.Oops [oops] Well, maybe a little bit, but not much.

The metric system is here. 95% of all the stuff we manufacture at work is in metric. But I’ll drop the subject now! Don’t worry, be happy!!Smile [:)]

I never noticed that Shane and you are in that picture of the drivers! I would have prefered to have the brunette in it instead.Whistling [:-^]

A bunch of very nice photos from the Can-Am Railway!Thumbs Up [tup] With snow! Always interesting to study those photos, despite the snow!Wink [;)]

Thanks for the info on the british LSWR N15 class, with a picture of the same locomotive Pete showed us the other day. Smile [:)]

CM3 –  Last night they showed the first gas station here in the Valley who sold gas for $2.99 (and 9/10). Not a promotion.Wow!! [wow]

Nick –  Good luck with your new job!!Smile [:)]

Thanks for the trip report!Thumbs Up [tup] That grade looks interesting! It is very steep, how many coaches is the locmotive hauling?Question [?]

Pete –  Trouble with the computer is no fun.Grumpy [|(] I don’t think you will encounter any freezing temperatures in England this month! And if you are lucky (?) you will not get any snow in Jefferson City this winter! Smile [:)]

Have a safe and nice trip to the old country! When you get back I’ll be 100% retired!!! 11 more days to work!Smile [:)]

Allan –  I feel sorry for you that you have to wait for two years for the good stuff! Sigh [sigh]
You are right, the snowy pictures are for Tom, to keep him and Juneau happy!Smile [:)]
Do you have any signs of spring yet?Question [?]

 

A few random pictures.


Westbound through the Cascades.

 

Waiting for the snow!

 

Snowy track.

 

Swedish State Railways, Class R, 0-10-0.

 

Round for the house!

Eric 

 

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Posted by Gunneral on Wednesday, October 1, 2008 7:52 PM

Hi Tom and all,

Leon, the usual round of Tui`s for all the guys` please.Yeah!! [yeah]

Rob. Another fine set of pix from your Goderich trip, hope you have a good day at the RCAF museum at Trenton, Ont.Smile [:)]Thumbs Up [tup]

Eric. Am looking forward to all of those goodies when the IKEA store does open.Dinner [dinner] Some snowy pix, (must be for Tom?), interesting shots of that steam loco`s driving wheels, the Penn station and GC Rly #290.Smile [:)]Thumbs Up [tup]

CM3. Good to see you in on a quick visit.Smile [:)]Thumbs Up [tup]

Fergie. Hope the North Sea is`nt too bumpy for your trip there. Some fine shots of your MESS RR, the steam locos` look superb.Approve [^]Thumbs Up [tup]

Nick. A very nice photo tour of your line mate, it looks really great after all the hard work you`ve put into it, Leon, a double shot of the real hard stuff for the proud owner/operator of the line please!Bow [bow]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

Pete. Thompson`s B1 locos` made up for the vindictive changes he made on Gresley`s loco`s, especially the Great Northern No 4470, he completely ruined the looks of the running gear and cylinders!Sad [:(] Thanks for the 10 more Western Class names.Approve [^] Hope you had a good flight over!Smile [:)]Thumbs Up [tup] 

Tom. Hope you enjoyed the Gordon Lightfoot concert.Smile [:)] Thanks for clearing up that Worlds Fair on the Louisiana Purchase with that Manifest Destiny link. A wonderful set of pix of the frieght trains on your Can Am RR and a very nice Classic British Steam Locomotives #1 on the LSWR N115 Class which fitted in really well with Pete`s photo of Sir Lamiel the other day.Bow [bow]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

See ya, Allan

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Posted by nickinwestwales on Wednesday, October 1, 2008 7:03 PM

PETE-didnt realise you were still with us Thumbs Up [tup]-Am gonna be working on that day so won`t be able to make it Thumbs Down [tdn]-phone is 01437-891711-would love a meet and a pint-H/W-Swansea-whatever works......N.B-don`t think Kings ever worked past Bristol (double red) but on my layout-rule #1 applies at all times -you are thinking `Britannias`-took over from the castles on the Red Dragon and the like from Canton shed............

Have a safe journey mate Thumbs Up [tup]Approve [^]-look forward to hearing from you....

Chef [C=:-)] 

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Posted by nickinwestwales on Wednesday, October 1, 2008 6:52 PM

Right then my lovelies-it`s tour of the line time-please be advised that most of this seasons work has been aimed at just getting it all working-the fine detail will come later-in other words,yes I know it all looks like outakes from the latest book relay but I am labouring under the twin handicaps of only 24 hours in a day and only 2 limbs with opposable digits......have attempted to dot enough buildings and stuff around to give a general flavour of what is to be.........

Leon-this might take a while so please be liberal with the refreshments (my pick up,natch..)-beer as required,a bottle of the EXTRA special rum (the 151% proof ) ,the bottle of Cognac from my locker and a bottle of The 37 year old single malt from under LAR`s bed-oh-also a couple of Mentor Medley deep-pan pizzas with all the toppings.................

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We start at the extreme south of the line-Hamworthy Quay on the Dorset coast-In the foreground is the daily freight to Gloucester and beyond

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A repeat from the other night-The Hymek diesel will take the freight up as far as Bath ready for a hand-over

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 Meanwhile-the game`s afoot Watson !-The inaugural `Up` Pines Express glides into Poole at approx 10.10am with a Bulleid pacific and 6 on-a poor representation of the real thing but you does what ya can....   foreground coaches will form a local to follow and the vertical seperation is enough that you don`t notice the Bath west yard and carriage siding above.......

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Hitting the bank-this should have a HUGE plume of steam and smoke hanging over it-suspension of disbelief time-In fact although this is the steepest grade on the line,it has a 24" curve leading into it so one can put the loco `in the collar`and gain enough momentum to avoid slipping....

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And here is where it all goes pear-shaped -stopped at signals at Midsomer Norton.....The single line is occupied by a late running down freight

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And here she is-just leaving Bath East yard

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And here they are crossing-This is the hardest re-start for the up train-the grade eases but we have a long 90*right/90* left/90*right drag to bring us onto the top deck---a gentle hand on the regulator is needed................

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Neatly done sir!-easing across the junction into Kelston Halt

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And past the inner home,regulator closed and glide in-gasworks siding with coke wagons at rear,new carriage siding next to train

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And just a touch of the brake please Mr fireman......thank you  Approve [^]-So there we are-there is life in the old girl yet-although I did wonder the first time I went to look after about 2 1/2 years of not a wheel turning.........

Incidentally,the Duchess will take the train off to Manchester,the 45xx tank will take the 3 coaches and a horse box local down to Bournemouth,the Bulleid will go off to shed and then take the Cardiff-Bournemouth express back down

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Which is currently sitting on the carriage siding-note also,the new long radius turnouts-ironically,they have cost me a coach length-used to be able to fit 6 into the platforms-with the long turnouts can only manage 5 1/2

The parcels ,milk & express on the short carriage siding will go back down with the Hymek--

Ladies & gents-welcome to the plywood pacific-please keep your eyes peeled for the demon sleeper/tie thief-he is found at rail joints everywhere..............

O.K guys-thank you for bearing with me-Approve [^]-I fully appreciate that I have totally ignored at least 2 house rules-interaction and the rule of 6-Am just a bit full of it `cos its all working,as am I in the morning-would love to catch up with all that has gone before,but am required to be bright eyed and bushy tailed rather than pink eyed and bison breath`ed-will try and double-post whilst PETE is away-just to keep the old flag flying-O.K:-one last round of drinks and a rousing chorus of `Jerusalem` (its a Brit thing) and I will bid you all a splendid goodnight.......

Chef [C=:-)]

 

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