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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:49 PM

Hey Ruth I see that yo aer keeoping busy with odds n ends. Is that soem needle work from the ladies knitting circle Question [?] Very pretty and a much nicer design than what H&H are usually knitting. Mind you they are using chain-mail and not yarnShock [:O] I think I'll just have Tui to try it ( when in Rome as they say )Here's a twenty for your private travel fund.Wink [;)]

Eric-Yes it was indeed "rainy"for those early decades of Canada's existanceSmile,Wink, & Grin [swg] H&H and the northern cousins are a bit of a concern,however what they do on their own time is well there perogative,I'm certainly not telling them how they should spend their free time,that could be hazardous to one's healthBlack Eye [B)] besides I would hate to loose their usefullness as bouncers and dart team protectors !

Some interesting shots today and last night from you Thumbs Up [tup] Interesting to see a CPR loco in the lead of the Amtrak train in Ottawa.I ahd always wondered if the fact that European trains ( freight ) were smaller because of the lack of high speed freight trucks or a I just delutional.I would think that high speed freight trains ( speed on the order of regular passenger service there)would have to high an impact on the rail infrastructure and there by slow down service.

Tom-It is slow today but we were forewarned by all those missing today,so it's a good day to catch up on the spring cleaning as it were. Hope your appointments went well for you today.I saw Cindy in town and she was enquiring about youBlush [:I]

Nice choice of three roads for todays piece. Three long time favourites for steam heads and coal miners Thumbs Up [tup]Both the Sou and the N&W had some marvelous steam locomotives working in some of the most gawd awfull trackage and grades.The N&W Pocahontas divison comes to mind and the Southern's "rattrack" am I right CM3Question [?] He'll correct me tomorrow if I'm notBig Smile [:D]

Great visuals to back up the text as well Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:00 PM

G'day Gents!

No summary today - no time 'n hardly anyone around to read it! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Nice to see Nick, Rob 'n Eric keep things going into the wee hours yesterday <Wednesday> and appreciate seeing Eric make an extra effort to keep Ruth awake this day! <grin>

Here's something I prepared awhile ago . . . anticipating a day like this! <groan>

 

 

Now Arriving on Track Number One

Heralds - Drumheads - Ads - Covers 'n Stuff #3

 

 

Norfolk & Western

The Norfolk and Western Railway (N&W) (AAR reporting marks NW), a US class I railroad, was formed by more than 200 railroad mergers between 1838 and 1982. It had headquarters in Roanoke, Virginia for most of its 150 year existence.

The company was famous for manufacturing steam locomotives in-house at the Roanoke Shops as well as their own hopper cars. Around 1960, N&W was the last major American railroad to convert from steam to diesel motive power.

In the mid 20th century, N&W merged with long-time rival Virginian Railway in the Pocahontas coal region and grew even more in size and profitability by mergers with other rail carriers including Nickel Plate Road and Wabash in adjacent areas to form a system serving 14 states and a Canadian province between the Atlantic Ocean and the Mississippi River and Great Lakes with more than 7,000 miles of trackage.

Norfolk & Western Railway was combined with the Southern Railway, another profitable carrier, to form the Norfolk Southern Corporation (NS) in 1982.

In the late 1960s, Norfolk & Western also acquired Dereco, a combination of the Delaware and Hudson, Erie Lackawanna Railroad, Reading Railroad, and Central Railroad of New Jersey. However, this subsidiary consisting of troubled northeastern US railroads was not merged into the Norfolk & Western. Most of Dereco later became part of Conrail. Some of those portions later also became part of Norfolk Southern when in it acquired the major portion of Conrail in 1999. On September 1, 1981, Norfolk & Western acquired Illinois Terminal Railroad. N&W was also a major investor in Piedmont Airlines. <from: Wikipedia.com>

Train No. 25, the Powhatan Arrow; 6 cars, 70 MPH. Photographed: near Salem, Va., July 11, 1953. <Otto Perry foto - Fair Use>

 

 

Southern

The Southern Railway (AAR reporting marks SOU) is a former United States railroad. It was the product of nearly 150 predecessor lines that were combined, reorganized and recombined beginning in the 1830s, formally becoming the Southern Railway in 1894. It was combined with the Norfolk and Western Railway to form the Norfolk Southern Railway in 1982.

Southern and its predecessors were responsible for many firsts in the industry. Its predecessor, the South Carolina Canal and Rail Road, was the first to carry passengers starting in 1833, U.S. troops and mail on steam-powered trains, and it was the first to operate at night.

The Southern Railway was notably the first Class I railroad in the United States to completely convert to diesel motive power. On June 17, 1953, the railroad's last steam-powered freight train arrived in Chattanooga, Tennessee behind 2-8-2 locomotive No. 6330.

From dieselization and shop and yard modernization, to computers and the development of special cars and the unit coal train, Southern often was on the cutting edge of change, earning the company its catch phrase, "The Railway System that Gives a Green Light to Innovations".

Every diesel locomotive Southern owned had to be ordered with a high hood and pointed long hood forward, this was meant for crew safety in case of accidents with vehicles and from the first GP7 to the last GP50, they came with this option until the tradition stopped with the SD50.

In the early 1960s, a popular steam locomotive excursion program was instituted under the presidency of W. Graham Claytor Jr. The steam program survived the merger which formed the new Norfolk Southern in 1982, but was finally discontinued in 1994. <from: Wikipedia.com>

Southern Railway 4-6-2 Pacific #1401 <Smithsonian foto>

 

 

Western Maryland

Western Maryland Railway (AAR reporting marks WM) was an American Class I railroad which operated in Maryland, West Virginia and Pennsylvania.

The oldest portion was the Baltimore, Carroll and Frederick Railroad which was chartered in 1852 and began building west from Baltimore. The railroad was completed to Hagerstown, Maryland in 1872. Within a year, its name was changed to Western Maryland Rail Road Company, and eventually, it became Western Maryland Railway Company.

The Connellsville Extension was built west from Cumberland, Maryland, to Connellsville, Pennsylvania, beginning around 1906 and was completed in 1912. In 1931, the Western Maryland became part of the Alphabet Route, a competitor to more major railroads including the Pennsylvania Railroad.

The West Virginia Central and Pittsburg Railway began as a narrow gauge line in 1880, its name and gauge changed in 1881 and in the ensuing years it opened a huge swathe of timber and coal territory in northern West Virginia to use, creating such towns as Elkins, Davis and Thomas. A major connection was made with the Chesapeake and Ohio Railway's Greenbrier Branch at Durbin, West Virginia in 1900. Sold to the Gould interests in 1902, it became an important part of the WM in 1905 and contributed heavily to that road's prosperity in the coal and lumber trade down to modern times.

Thus, although never a giant, the Connellsville subdivision of WM handled through midwest fast freight traffic and coal from company-owned mines near Fairmont, West Virginia, and Somerset, Pennsylvania. In 1930, the Pittsburgh and West Virginia Railroad Company reached Connellsville to hook up with the WM. That line operates today as the Wheeling and Lake Erie Railway.

In 1964, the Chesapeake and Ohio Railway (C&O) and the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad (B&O) jointly filed for permission to acquire control of the Western Maryland Railway with the Interstate Commerce Commission (ICC). In 1973, as part of the Chessie System, the Western Maryland ownership went to C&O and it was operated by the B&O. In 1987, it was merged into the C&O which itself became part of CSX Transportation.

Much of the original Western Maryland line has been abandoned including the crossing of the Allegheny Mountains and the Eastern Continental Divide near Deal, Pennsylvania after going through Savage Mountain in a 3,000 ft tunnel. The elevation at Deal is 2,375 ft (724 m).

Portions of the former WM are now operated by West Virginia Central, the Maryland Midland Railway, and Western Maryland Scenic Railroad. Other portions are now rail trails. A portion of the former WM right of way within the city of Baltimore is now used by the Baltimore Metro Subway. <from: Wikipedia.com>

Western Maryland 2-8-6-2 #924 (from: yesteryeardepot.com - foto credit: uniknown)

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Posted by EricX2000 on Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:54 AM

Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!

Ruth, nice to see you! A cold Tui, please!

It is a quiet morning here at Our Place this beautiful Thursday. Thought I should stop by for a moment and show a few photos in no particular order. I noticed thatsomething strange is going on. Every now and then a picture will not show up. Most of the time they all show but not always. I have to take a chance and hope for the best.

 

First, plenty of power for this passenger train. Class Dm3 with almost 10,000 hp. Photo Hans Polanik.

 

X2000 at Union Station, Washington D.C., track 16.

 

Ottawa, ON, 1993.

 

RTL 158. Union Station, Washington D.C., track 16.

  

Have to go. A round for the house!

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Posted by EricX2000 on Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:24 AM

Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!! 

A number 2 special, please! Yes, Leon, I know I usually have a Keith's but tonight I feel like having a Tui.

A windy day here in the southwest.  

Tom –  I don’t drop of my tax return at the post office, I file it via Inernet.Wink [;)] The last two years we did it the 15th, but this year we were much earlier and did it the 14th!!Wow!! [wow]

I love the photos from the Can-Am Railway!!Yeah!! [yeah] Very good shots, perfect light!Wow!! [wow] I have to try to do something similar next time. It certainly is a very nice layout! For some reason I like the top picture the best even though it is snowy. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Now I know what is missing at Can-Am City!Smile [:)] Trolley buses! Street cars! That should be next after the subway is done!Yeah!! [yeah] I just want to make sure that you will stay busy in the future! Wink [;)]

Nice drumheads!Thumbs Up [tup] I am trying to pick the one I like the best, but it isn’t easy. I think I’ll pick #3, The Cascadian.Smile [:)]

CM3 –  That is what I understood, B&O power and trains at DC in your pictures. Smile [:)]

The tonnage rating in Europe is lower than in the US. Not that the locomotives couldn’t haul heavier trains but that would slow down the trains quite a bit if you have only one locomotive for a 3,000 tons train so instead the trains are smaller or they use locomotives in multiple to improve acceleration and speed. To be honest, to me it doesn’t make sense to have just one SD40 haul 11,550 tons. I guess the line is mostly downhill but with only one locomotive you will probably not be able to control the speed by using the dynamic brakes only when 11,500 tons are pushing from behind.

 



Trailers on the rails, RoadRailer.



Rob –  I hope you are correct about H&H but not about Vito’s Northern cousins. It seems like Vito is everywhere.Mischief [:-,]

Thanks for the answer to my question.Thumbs Up [tup] I thought it would have been strange if the government didn’t know what was happening. But i guess they had a pretty good resaon to pretend it was raining.Whistling [:-^]

DL –  Good description of the recordings! I have a LP with Swedish steam locomotives, but I haven’t listened to it for many years. Maybe now it is time to do it again. Smile [:)]

Pete –  I don’t know if there are any freight cars going between Sweden and England nowadays.

So you saw H&H talk to Vito the Hit and his cousin?Question [?] That is not good. Can we trust H&H?Sad [:(]

Nick –  Nice photos!Thumbs Up [tup] I like the weeds growing in the track of the steel stockholders spur! Just like in real life. What scale is the Clonakilty model village?Question [?] What exactly did Big Otto say when he was called out during the lunch break? I hope no ladies could hear him. Oops [oops]

Interesting photos of the different 0-4-4’s and other locomotives.Thumbs Up [tup] The Irish rail bus looks kind of home made.Wink [;)] But I guess it worked. What gauge is that 2-6-0T with the hen-house?Question [?] 1958? It looks like it could be 1938.

 

Round for the house!

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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:46 PM

Good evening Leon , I see that the cash register ahs wrung fairly steadily on your shift is well Thumbs Up [tup] It's a good thingBig Smile [:D] I think just a Guiness for me this evening, and perhaps some pub bits ( chips and wings Thumbs Up [tup] ) We should do more pub food around here , though I'm afraid of what might pass as chicken wings from H&H.Shock [:O]

Tom-Two fine renditions from the Canam room Thumbs Up [tup] love the shots from the mountain village. Is that big Mike or Slopehead in front of the second class Question [?]Some interesting drumheads as well Thumbs Up [tup]

 Nick had some inetersting thoughts on the Pikes Perspectives, still always nice to have a bit of variety on a Wednesday. know I'm not old but compared to some of the yuppie larve out there, well lets just say that I've always said that there should be an exam that needs to be written before you can breed.Grumpy [|(] So does that make me an honorary grumpy old man Question [?]

I'll have to pop over an check out this new Canadian guy,hopefully that other thread is still being usefull Thumbs Up [tup]

Dan-Nice twofer this afternoon thank-you, couple interesting urls for the museum's and more interesting chat on UK steam.It's amazing how many of the train type record recordings were made ( even o this side of the pond )  I have a couple, recordings on cassette tape that were done of 6218 and 6060 when they were in excursion service in Ontario during the 70's. We also have a 33rpm record with streetcar sounds a PCC on one side and a Witt on the other.

Pete-Yes lots of samll towns in villages indeed the entire western portion of our country was created by the CPR. I think the biggest thing is that alot of the various shortlines and branches dissapeared moreso because there was no great need for as much trackage as they built. Pre 1930 yes but after the highway and car revolution most of the small yield lines were just too speacilized to be profitable without passenger revenue to support them. 

Alot of the little lines had nick names like the Peanut line for the most part they were drawn from the comodities that were the main money maker or breaker for them.

See if you can find that book on amazon it is a worthwhile read ( all words and no pictures though )

Nick-Great two part spat of photo's the real and the model nice twin bill to be sure today. That Irish coach Question [?] certainly looks homemade. It almost seems like it was a boxcar or cattle car in it's former life.

 I had to giggle at the tinfoil comment. sadley I know people like that myselfShock [:O] Interesting histroy lesson on the guitar as well,yet one more reason I keep comming back here I learn something everyday.

Eric-I see in re-reading tonight I missed one question from you yesterday,the short answer is yes I'm sure the government knew what was going on,it was a wink wink nudge nudge sort of thing. Theer was rules against monopolies but teh govt of the times knew that the railway was the best way to populate the large western expances of the country so blind eyes were turned.Anything to get the infrastructure without having to pay for it themselves.An over symplification to the whole story,but essentially the crux of the story anyway.

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Posted by nickinwestwales on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:22 PM

Well then-back again,having prepared my notes for responses-and yes I am avoiding the `grown up real world stuff` until later....

So-Leon-another bottle of the rum(to keep the chill away) and a round of Staropramen Czech Pilsner for all-just to show what they have been missing-some change for Herr Wurlitzer also,if you would-tonights episode of the Simpsons ended with that old `70`s classic "Don`t fear the reaper" by Blue Oyster Cult-a fabulous intro that never quite goes anywhere-much like my submissions here I suspect................Hmmmmmmm

Right-to business:-

ROB-Glad all is restored to normal chez nous Thumbs Up [tup]-I shouldn`t worry about the munitions by the back shed-The galley crew have reassured me that they are planning a 4th July `treat` for the 2nd class saloon......Simon is home once again & in good form-although he has reverted to wrapping his head in tinfoil "to stop the voices" and since H&H` ministrations gets very anxious if he sees anything pink.....Confused [%-)]...R.E maple syrup-remember I live in a country where boiled seaweed is treated as a delicacy.................R.E that old Gibson-similar examples currently command about a $50,000 price tag-think Jimmy Page with Zeppelin here-combination of quality of sound and rarity-most of them got broken years ago `cos of a weak spot in the construction

Pirate [oX)]Captain [4:-)]TOM-Hope Carol & yourself enjoyed your meal-One never needs an excuse to spend quality time with a lovely lady Thumbs Up [tup]Approve [^]Thumbs Up [tup]...and since you so kindly offer I will be delighted to take a tankard of the brew of your choice with you...Glad you enjoyed the ramblings-I have always felt that my destiny should have been as a senior reporter for the Mentor Gazette (perhaps even rising to sub-editor in the fullness of time..)...Enjoyed the artwork BTW-those guys sure knew how to capture the atmosphere and excitement of rail travel,back when it was the only way to travel any sort of distance.....P.S-As a musician,I can state with authority-a symbol is a symbol unless its a cymbal...................Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

CM3-I take your point R.E compounds various-I have a fairly high tolerance (as does the little green pixie next to me....)-I just hope the stuff works-cos I am in no hurry to do it again--Thanks for the tonnage ratings-will be very useful for the layout as well as being interesting in it`s own right Thumbs Up [tup]-As you note, Boris was active in the Transylvanian league right up until `39 when they declared war on Germany,Russia & (inexplicably) Fiji and turned the whole Carpathian mountain region into a no-go area....As a last thought-I appreciate that you are a private person,but would love to see any model pix you might have lying around...........

DAN-The mention of Transacord reminds me -I am sure I have one of their L.P`s somewhere-badly scratched,the only bit I can remember is an 8F starting a heavy freight-must look it out-if memory serves it has commentary as well.........as to 0-4-4`s-I cant call to mind any Brighton examples(although they did have the D1 0-4-2 tank and the glorious `Jubilee` 0-4-2 tenders-but I am sure you have the right of it-lets not forget the S.E.C.R `H` class while we are there...)-will take a run into town in the next couple of days and get some up to date pix of H/West stn for a comparison

FERGIE-Happy landings mate Thumbs Up [tup]Cool [8D]Thumbs Up [tup]-dont worry about the Mushy peas/smak/coke thing-like Karl Marx`s grave,its a communist plot.......Mushies are always available for our valued customers.....Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

PETE-now heres a mixed can of worms.....Am going out on a limb here:-The Rivers were re-built into tender locos after the Stoats Nest crash (right next to my old scout hut BTW )-as far as I can recall the Woolwich moguls were based on that design-27 were shipped out to Inchicore as kits of parts,-is possible that the Met 2-6-4`s were a reversion to the original design,given that they were unlikely to be doing any high-speed work-the failing of the original rivers-they were not stable at speed,hence the crash-(you can see the circular nature of this......)...enough already !!-I may well have this completely wrong-if so please put me out of my misery

Love the Colorado pix-the idea of `Delay Jn` is especially appealing ......nice loco pix BTW

ALLAN-It`s a braver man than me would walk across Barmouth bridge at night (have pix-will post later--is a glorious sight)-an old tale-a young volunteer on the T/Y/Lynn was spotted trying to dig out the soil between the rails--An old employee told him to stop... "Why?"  "Duw boy,thats the only thing holding the bloody rails in place....."

ROB-Nice piece on the Peanut Line

ERIC-Dont worry too much about H&H`s rest.-is a lure to disguise the fact that Vito the Hit is currently negotiating with the savage Mugabe for the franchise to run Zimbabwe........Nice one on the Colorado info Thumbs Up [tup] and the M.A.R.C pic-R.E taxman-apart from the great George Harrison song,I have always felt that they are busy enough without me bothering them-live & let live as it were Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Pirate [oX)]Captain [4:-)]TOM-Songs-O.K mate-you sing,I`ll play the guitar-G minor sounds like your key--Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] -Britain isn`t so much a country of museums as one big museum-but you need to see it to fully appreciate...............Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]...Love the drumheads BTW but difficult to fully appreciate without knowing the trains....context I guess....

Anyway-I think thats me caught up-so onto some more pix--P.S for all of you that were hanging out for jacuzzi pix-it was all going perfectly until Madonna showed up drunk and it all kicked off-was happy to get away as it happens......Whistling [:-^]

right:-

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Here is my all time favourite 0-4-4t -the Tri-Ang model of the Drummond M7-this was my 2nd engine-long sold and regretted-from the `71 catalogue

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Here we have one from the Great Southern & Western (Ireland)

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This one is from the Festiniog Railway in North Wales-is more than it seems-the whole thing is articulated-(see below)-this particular engine ended up as a stationary boiler at Boston Lodge works-I understand they have now built a replacement for her

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Here is the full version-the double Fairlie articulated (lower pic)-will give more detail next time (beer is starting to catch up)

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Here is Irelands solution to the problem of reduced revenue-gotta love that lateral thinking....

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Another one from the Emerald Isle to close-here we have an ex Trallee & Dingle 2-6-0t on the Arigna branch of the Cavan & Leitrim line circa 1958-can you believe that mobile hen-house behind the engine was for passengers ?- I just love everything about this pic.....Approve [^]

O.K boys-thats me for the road--Leon give anybody that wants one another pint and I`ll square you away in the morning....As I was walking over,the Cork & Kerry mountains................................

Take care now,

Chef [C=:-)] 

 
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"Our" Place <est 12 Apr 2005> Adults talking Classic Trains!
Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:30 PM

G'day Gents!

I've got a rather early appointment to keep on Thursday, so it's best I get to the comments while I have the time . . . have no idea how the ‘morrow will begin with CM3 Shane gone - he's the only "regular" we have in the AM these days <daze> . . .

Nice turn-out for a mid-week day . . . Thumbs Up [tup]

Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):

Wednesday - April 16th <all times Central daylite>:

Page 13 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 8:51 AM: Perhaps it was my inattentiveness or simply too much to digest with the offerings - but the second time ‘round, I GOT IT! Thanx . . . Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Any of that stuff gonna be on the "test" Question [?] Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

I seem to recall a delivery or three being made by REA "back in the day." I know that I shipped "things" back from Alaska ‘n they arrived that way . . .

We don't scrape in our Haus . . . use the garage for the vehicles. Scraping days <daze> are long gone-zo . . . <yay> We've had a couple of frosty mornings, but the warm up has really taken hold as we're in the 70s (F) now with at least one more nice day to look forward to. Then there's rain comin' in for the week's end. <arrrrrrgggggghhhhh>

Thanx for the quarters ‘n ROUND! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Page 13 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 10:22 AM: Perhaps the warm-up above the 49th will continue on through our trip to ExpoRail; hope so! As far as the girls in their less than full attire - "kids" just don't "do it" for me. Nope. The "threshold" advances as one ages. I'm sure there's a formula for that! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] Oh yeah, any comments regarding YOU being OLD are worth a <tweeting> - you're the YOUNGEST at the bar ‘n have a loooooong way to go. So, don't rush it . . . time WILL indeed move along all by itself. <groan> <grin>

Interesting comic in today's paper - asked the question about how come those who think things are better elsewhere and constantly bring that up, don't move there Question [?]

This "thing" regarding the Post Offices remaining open to accommodate those who can't get their tax returns ready for mailing before normal closing has been going on for decades. Probably began with humor in mind <but I seriously doubt that!!> Anyway, if those requiring after-hours service need it - they should pay for it. <grumble> <mumble> <snark> <bratzafratz>

There's a Canadian onboard over on "my other Thread," we'll see if he picks up on my invitation . . .

Appreciate the visit ‘n chat. Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Page 13 - Dan <DL-UK> at 11:16 AM ‘n 11:23 AM <5:16 PM ‘n 5:23 PM GMT>: A two-fer from our Resident Brit in Sherwood Forest! Now when's the last time that occurred Question [?] Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

No problem with anything you have to offer. for it's always quality ‘n always well within the guidelines for what we do ‘n the way we do it. Thumbs Up [tup]

I've been ENCOURAGING the use of fotos in lieu of long narratives. URLs are fine as SUPPLEMENTAL . . . and of course everyone doesn't have Pix-Posting capability. So, not to worry, Mate! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

I enjoyed the narrative of the recording . . . thanx for taking the time ‘n making the effort to provide it to the boyz at the bar! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] ROUND also very much appreciated as a "token" of your contriteness <or something like that!> Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Page 13 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 3:26 PM: Heads up! Many thanx - that's what really HELPS the Proprietor immensely. When a regular can't make it in, it's surely nice knowing in advance . . . Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Page 13 - Pete <pwolfe> at 5:20 PM: With the way things have been going for the last several weeks, I'm surprised that I even know the day of the week. But, I digress . . . Oh yeah, no Email response deemed necessary! I did mention that I received yours.<geesh>

Yes, now that you mention it - Thursday does "ring a bell." No, no Boris - <arrrrggggghhhhh> okay - drinks on the house as Boris rang the bell! <grin>

Far too much for me to fully digest in your Post - but I do hope the guys you cited take the time ‘n make the effort to catch your well thought out commentary.

Thanx for the < I3> Post ‘n ROUND! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Page 13 - Nick <nickinwestwales> at 6:26 PM <1:26 AM Thursday GMT>: My tandem-Mate for our OP-SHUN-UL Toy ‘n Model Trains Day! hasn't let us down. Fine selection, as always ‘n the narratives are most helpful too. Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Way back at "Our" Place I you ‘n I discussed track planning software. You provided me with some links - I must admit that I never could figure out the "how to." So, I never diagrammed the Can-Am Railway. <groan>

However, you've seen the layout shots <several times> ‘n it really is a simple arrangement. These fotos should give you an idea - on the main level, it's simply distorted ovals within another distorted oval making up two mainlines for trains running in opposite directions. All turnouts <switches> work off either of the mainlines. I have crossovers <not cross tracks> at strategic locations to enable trains to cross from one mainline to the other. The upper level <mountain run> is a point-to-point affair for RDCs. They operate from Mountain Village to Mountain Depot ‘n return. Two consists of 2 cars each - one in BC Rail livery the other VIA Rail.

Now if you'd drag yourself away from Wales for a few days, you could see it, operate it, ‘n check out the beer fridge in the Can-Am Trainroom during Rendezvous III. Yeah!! [yeah] [swg

(1) First view of the Can-Am Railway as you enter the train room. Looking north to south.

(2) Looking south on the east side of the mountains. Mountain Village in foreground.

(3) Looking north on the east side of the mountains. Look at upper level and you can follow the RDC route by the telephone wires!

(4) Looking north on the west side from Can-Am City & Union Station.

(5) Looking north on west side of mountains - mainlines run between CN yard 'n passing siding.

Comments regarding participants in our Toy ‘n Model Trains Day! <aka: Pike Perspectives Day!> are well taken. However, we are now at "critical mass" with not only that event, but others as well. Dwindling participation leads to curtailment of "things" . . . such is life in the not-so-fast lane, Mate!

Many thanx for the steak buttie - was cooked just right, ‘n the Keiths was especially smooth! Yeah!! [yeah]

Visit, chat, fotos ‘n good cheer ALWAYS appreciated. Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

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That's IT! See y'all sometime in the 'morrow . . .

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Posted by nickinwestwales on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:26 PM

Well good evening one and all and a happy wednesday--Leon-please make with a large glass of the special rum-what the hey,bring the bottle-for Pirate [oX)]Captain [4:-)]TOM who seems to be suffering from acute lawn fatigue and is in need of restoration and jollification-better find him a large steak buttie as well-make it rare enough that a loud noise will wake it up-and a plate of tempting savoury nibbly bits as well please-oh and some beer for me please as well,plus a round for the gang--good man Approve [^]

Now then Boss-before we steal away to a quiet corner in order to swap revolting and unsuitable jokes-thanks for posting that Can-Am set-like all good `adult` pix they tease and tantalise without fully revealing--even after 3 years I still havn`t worked out the exact `lie of the land`and how it all connects together-would dearly love to see a track plan one of these days................Whistling [:-^]

Whilst on the Pikes Perspectives theme (and yes,to my shame,I had forgotten that particular handle) I feel that in fairness we should bear in mind that not all of us are A-active modellers & B-in a position to post pix thereof............My 2 cents [2c] 

Anyway,got a lot to do this fine evening (including 2 long and difficult `real world` E-mails that need to be composed )-so onwards and upwards.....

Gonna start with P/P pix-they have been seen before but a long time ago,then try and take care of posts and throw in some new scans,just to keep things fresh.............

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Here we have the duty `goat` -a Model Power GP9- lifting a cut of O.N.R newsprint cars (also M/P) up the bank out of the industrial district-the ice house spur is to the right

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Here`s a VIA `F` unit combo (..I know-it should be an FP9 not an F9a but that paint job took me bloody DAYS....) easing out of "Bradford" onto the big hill--this whole area is undergoing serious revision

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A Clonakilty model village shot-apparently,the building is prototypical even if the train isnt...

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Down at the very end of the line-the steel stockholders spur

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Heres a `natural light` shot which hopefully conveys an early evening feel-O.N.R 2-bays ready for the off,Propane tanks,reefers & big cyl hprs on the bank

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Looks like someone is heading for a fine here Big Otto just LOVES a tow-job in his lunch break

O.K-back in a bit

Chef [C=:-)]

 
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Posted by pwolfe on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:20 PM

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams please RUTHThumbs Up [tup]

TOM Many thanks for the Railroad Magazine Classic coversThumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup] a good selection covering many years of railroadsApprove [^]. It is hard to pick a favorite in the selection I think it is a tie between the old timer, the big engines being prepared at night and Sea IsleYeah!! [yeah], though the other two are good as well.Thumbs Up [tup]

Great song titlesApprove [^]Big Smile [:D]

I see CM3 has provided info on the UPS trainsThumbs Up [tup]. I recall reading a while back, I think in Trains mag, about the UPS train saying it was the hottest one on the line with a heavy penalty for any late running. If I recall right one company did not run the train anymore as it caused too many problems but they may have been solved.

Thanks for the linkThumbs Up [tup]; I must have put the wrong info in when I done a search yesterdayConfused [%-)]. Looking at the link I well remember the great art galleryApprove [^] they have there as well as the wonderful railroad equipment.Bow [bow]

I always enjoy looking the great Can-Am photosApprove [^] every time I see something I had not fully noticed before, this time it is at the RDCs Mountain Depot station and the huts in the background. The snow in Mountain Village will be a great sight if we get a hot Missouri summerYeah!! [yeah] but those guys outside the Second Class Saloon look shadier than everWhistling [:-^]

Many thanks for the Classic Drumheads by the DozenThumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup] with their different designs, today's pick for me are the KCS Flying Crow and the NH Yankee Clipper.

It was tomorrow I may be a bit doubtful forSad [:(] but I am hoping to be able to call in.Thumbs Up [tup]

Received your e-mail yesterday and sent a replyThumbs Up [tup] but sadly no e-mail received today.Confused [%-)]

CM3 Yes those working timetables are some great readingApprove [^]. I was given a few in the old land. The weekend supplements were good too with details of specials and changes due to engineering work.

Many Thanks for the info on the UPS and other truck firms using the rails and the more info on the tonnage ratingsThumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]. The very large difference in tonnage allowed over the two different Cumberland to Cumbo routes shows very well how a line's grades affects the limits on each type of locomotive. It must have been an interesting job juggling the motive power available to suit the trains.Yeah!! [yeah] 

ALLAN Yes I can see why Silver Link is your favorite A4.The locomotive certainly a deserved a place in preservation but was I think it was one of the earlier A4s to be withdrawnSad [:(] and I guess Mallard had already been set aside for the nation. It was lucky that some of the A4s were found work on the Glasgow to Aberdeen fast trainsThumbs Up [tup] after their work on the East Coast Main Line had been taken over by diesels. It gave preservationists the time to save the engines. Yes without Barry scrapyard and Mr. Dai WoodhamBow [bow] the British steam scene would be very much the poorer.

I have heard sarnies called butties and even called a ‘piece' I think that one comes mainly from Scotland. I well remember the dripping sandwichesApprove [^] they were quite tasty and I remember one lad you just loved condensed milk ones as well when I was quite young.

They must be great memories helping to lay track in the very early days of the Tallylyn preservationWow!! [wow]Yeah!! [yeah]. I wonder if any one in those days thought that there would be the number of preserved lines there is now in Britain.

We used to holiday in North Wales and I can still recall a special that used to run in the Summer that went from Rhyl along the coast to Caernarfon down to the Cambrian coast through Barmouth. Just south of Barmouth bridge we took the long closed line to Corwen and then another long gone line to Fford just outside Rhyl, all steam of course although the details are a bit vague, I have dim memories of seeing one of the old looking outside framed Dukedogs. Happy daysApprove [^].

ROB Good newsThumbs Up [tup], apparently with the rise in scrap metal prices we got more money from the scrap kegs that what we paid in depositYeah!! [yeah], so perhaps I can reduce my bar billSmile [:)].

Some times I forget that when the railways were built in North America that a lot of the land they went through were very sparsely populated. The railways in Canada must have been a very big part in the development of the country. That sounds a good book to readThumbs Up [tup].

Many Thanks for the Classic Steam on the CPR's Cornwall routeApprove [^]Thumbs Up [tup]. Born in the railway boom where a small company built a line and immediately leased it to a larger company. I see it is another line that is no longer with usSad [:(].

Perhaps it might be an idea to have a few nicknames railways were known by at the barQuestion [?]. In the UK some were, like the Peanut line, got their name from traffic on the line or a special feature the line went through or a play on the company's initials.

Strange coming from England I don't feel all that EuropeanConfused [%-)]Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

ERIC I wonder if Sweden sends any traffic to England through the Channel TunnelQuestion [?]. There as been a lot of work in Britain for the railways to be able to take larger freight cars but I think that boxcar would still be out of gauge. I really noticed the difference when I rode on the Renaissance cars with Captain [4:-)]Tom and seeing the gap between the platform and the car side in Montreal station.Shock [:O]

The cab car has the look of a RDC in its front end.

Yes we got off light with just the tent being wrecked it could have been a lot worseYeah!! [yeah], H&H are being very quiet about that restaurant but I did see them talking to Vito the Hit and one of his cousinsConfused [%-)]Smile [:)].

Many thanks for the info on the Locomotives at the Colorado MuseumApprove [^]Thumbs Up [tup]. That is a great link to the museumBow [bow]. I see the #1 loco I posted Saturday and we thought may have come from Pike's Peak railway, is a Vauclain compound built by Baldwin a type I have not heard of, it would be good to learn more on this interesting locomotive.Yeah!! [yeah]

DL Perhaps I saw you during those steam runs through Barmouth. Once we had the Manor to Pwllehi and standard 75069 on anther trip, which stopped in Barmouth if I recall right

Many thanks for the link to the Canadian museum of MakingThumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup], The virtual tour video is well worthy watchingYeah!! [yeah] with those marvelous belt driven machine toolsApprove [^]. Although by the time I was at the factory the machines were electric driven some of the old lathes, shaping and milling machines looked very much the same. In the Power House of the works there were some old machines in there, including a very old steam driven air compressor that worked with hardly a sound and no vibration at all. Like all machines there it was keep spotlessly clean and you could eat your dinner off the floor, as that was spotless as wellBow [bow].

 I will go back again to the other link that lists the web-sites of those great museumsYeah!! [yeah], I had a look at the Birmingham Think Tank one and it was good to see the Duchess City of Birmingham and the tramcar.Thumbs Up [tup]

Many thanks as well for the sleeve notes on Peter Handford's Grantham EPApprove [^]Thumbs Up [tup]. I am sure Allan will enjoy the notes and will recognize many of the locomotive namesYeah!! [yeah]. I wonder if Mr. Handford wrote the notes for the records they really are great at setting the sceneApprove [^]. Like "As a fickle wind whips across the tracks on a gray, damp summer Saturday morning" Simply magicalBow [bow].

Looking through the sleeve notes it struck me that although the preservation scene has done simply marvelous thingsApprove [^] not least still, unbelievably, steam on the main lineBow [bow] it can never recreate the everyday scene of the sight and sound of those marvelous locomotives in the late 1950s.Sad [:(] Being on the platform and seeing the likes of Wild Swan, Mallard, Prince of Wales etc not to mention the tank engines on the locals and the numerous freights hauled by many different classes passing throughYeah!! [yeah]. I had better stop or I will be crying into the round you bought.Smile [:)]

Oh dear I seem to have got really carried away todayAshamed [*^_^*](ought to be I hear you sayBig Smile [:D]) LEON, but I think it has been a very interesting day at the barApprove [^],so let me get a round inThumbs Up [tup].

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:10 PM

G'day Gents!

Seems that this day has overtaken me with "things to do." Just returned from a 4 hour grass cutting <mower repair> more cutting <more repair> "session," so Boris - best keep your distance with that inflatibile of yours! I'm in no mood for repairs right now <grrrrrrrr>. But go ahead 'n take that small jar of PPF - you've been a "good" Cyclops lately. <grin>

A "heads up" from CM3 Shane 'n somewhere in my feeble mind I seem to recall Pete telling me he'd be away today or at least in the afternoon. Can't say fer sure, but . . .

Soooooooo, here's my contribution to the PM "slot" . . . again, kinda futile, givent that those checking our Thread surely aren't interested in anything I have to offer. <snark> <snark>

 

Now Arriving on Track #2

Classic Drumheads by the Dozen - #2

<Intially Posted on 24 Dec 2007, Page 158 "Our" Place II>

 

(1) DRG&W - California Zephyr

(2) Erie - Pacific Express

(3) GN - The Cascadian

(4) IC - Panama Limited

(5) KCS - The Flying Crow

(6) L&N - The Pan-American

(7) NH - The Yankee Clipper

(8) NYC - The Pacemaker

(9) NP - North Coast Ltd

(10) PRR - The Broadway Ltd

(11) CRI&P - Twin Star Rocket

(12) Soo - Twin Cities - Seattle

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Enjoy! Thumbs Up [tup]

Tom Captain [4:-)] Pirate [oX)]

 

Missed the first one Question [?] See Page 4

 

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Posted by coalminer3 on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:26 PM

Good afternoon barkeep and all present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Quick note to let you know that I will be offline for most of the day tomorrow.  I'll try and post in the afternoon, but if not then - Friday for sure!

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:30 AM

G'day Gents!

Well, well - a busy morning at the bar with CM3 Shane - Rob 'n Dan dropping "in." Wow!! [wow] Specific comments in my next round of acknowledgments - but thanx for keeping Ruth busy! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] <KaChing> <KaChing>

MUST make this observation though - there's a world of difference in being too busy for the bar, but not so for elsewhere in the Ether . . . the way I see it, if one WANTS to participate - one WILL. 'nuf said . . .

Today is our OP-SHUN-UL Toy 'n Model Trains Day! at the bar. I'm strongly considering dropping this feature as a weekly "thing" due to the rather small number of contributors. Anyway, I've got a few more in the inventory . . . . so in spite of the contention that no one pays attention to what I'm Posting <snark> <snark> - here comes a new series! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

 

Now Arriving on Track #3

Select Scenes from the Can-Am Railway

Number One

 

(1 - 3) Mountain Village

 

(4) Mountain Depot

 

(5) West side of mountains

 

(6) Southbound BC Rail RDCs crossing Can-Am Gorge

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Enjoy! Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by DL - UK on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:23 AM

Hi Pete - this is the stuff that was on that link - this is one of the records I actually bought - and this text that was on that link is a transcript of the sleeve notes - which is pretty atmospheric.

 

Apols to others who are not interested, but I'll leave a round for the house to make up for that (actually I reckon people will enjoy this - but I do apologise as it is not my habit to cut and paste large chunks of text at Our Place!)

DL

EAF86 sleeve notes
Recordings of class A.3, A.4, V.2 and other ex L.N.E.R. locomotives at Grantham Station in July and August 1957 .

At Grantham, 105 miles North of London on the East coast main line, a large proportion of North and Southbound expresses stopped for a change of engines.

These recordings were made at the South end of Grantham Station. The engines heard are all as fitted with single chimney, with the exception of Class 'A.2' No. 60508 and Class 'A.4' No. 60022.

SIDE ONE
Class 'A.4' Pacific No. 60025 Falcon stands at the up platform heading an express from Newcastle, which it has just taken over; Falcon whistles and starts away, rapidly gathering speed on the 1/200 climb towards Stoke Summ,it, five miles away. In the background another 'A.4' whistles while moving away from the sheds on the down side of the station.

A 'C.12' class 4-4-2:T. No. 67391 clatters down the yard with a few trucks as 'V.2' class 2-6-2 No. 60963 waits at the platform; in drizzling rain, with the up 'Scarborough Flyer'.

No. 60963 starts out, slipping madly on the wet greasy rails by the water column at the platform end;

after more bouts of violent slipping No. 60963 settles down and gets to grips .with the wet rails. As the train passes 'V.2' No. 60893 moves into the up siding to wait until required to take over a train and another'V.2' No. 60961 comes past, running light back to the sheds.

Class 'A.4' Pacific No. 60010 Dominion of Canada whistles and slips away from the platform end, then, with the continuing tendency to slip being most expertly controlled, heads lustily up the gradient with an express for Kings Cross.

'V.2' class No. 60914 backs down towards the station to take over a waiting train as an 'A.4' Pacific, which has just been relieved by the 'V.2', clanks past on the way back to the sheds.

SIDE TWO
As a fickle wind whips across the tracks on a grey, damp, summer Saturday morning, 'V.2' No. 60914 whistles, hisses steam and slips violently before moving a heavy train out of the station. After further slipping No. 60914 settles down to tackle the climb towards Stoke Summit as 'A.4' No. 60022 Mallard sounds a warning whistle and trailing a plume of steam from the safety valves, tears down the gradient, heading North with a morning express for Edinburgh.

Another 'A.4' No. 60021 Wild Swan gets quickly away from the station, after a slippery start and heads for Kings Cross with an express from Leeds.

Class 'A.3' Pacific No. 60054 Prince of Wales backs down towards the up platform, where a relief express from Edinburgh is waiting and a 'V.2' moves into the up siding; as the 'V.2' gradually squeals to a stop class 'A.2' Pacific No. 60508 Duke of Rothesay starts away from signals and heads slowly past, towards the station, with a down express.

The 'A.3' Prince of Wales gets the 'right away' from the up platform and heads the Edinburgh-London express out of the station for the last lap of the journey South.

Argo Record Company Limited, London, 1965

The cover photograph by Colin Walker shows a 'V.2' leaving Grantham with an express for London.

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Posted by DL - UK on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:16 AM

Hi Tom and all in

Pint of Tui please, as Allan's offering - cheers!

Thanks for your comments, my aim is try and get back to a normal routine, but I see, reading Fergie's message that I'm not the only one with work keeping me away!

Nice pics and comments from Tom, Rob and CM3 - I have no great comments on them but I've certainly enjoyed reading them!

Allan - great to hear those comments about Barmouth - I've been across that bridge on a train - but not since about 1986 when we went there for family holiday (when they were running a regular steam special along the coast line - which, as it happens, they have started to do again during August each year - which is nice to report). You'd enjoy that Rolt book even more given you were ACTUALLY THERE during the pioneer days!

Pete - you're right about that D for Diesels recording - I bet that was a low seller back at the time but would now be fascinating. Reading the web it is obvious that Peter Handford was a top quality sound recordist whose work we can still benefit from. I guess I should watch out for the CDs.

I've made that link work and I'll paste the data - but I'll do it in a separate message as it is a bit of data dump and I'll have to beg Tom's forgiveness for that!

As indeed I will for the following off topic link to a place in Calgary brought to my attention. Tom, I know you've permitted off topic links in the past so hopefully you'll agree that this will be of interest to the regulars

http://www3.museumofmaking.org/dbtw-wpd/machine.htm

has a gret links page too!

http://www3.museumofmaking.org/dbtw-wpd/machine_events.htm

Regards to all

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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:22 AM

A quick good morning before I head into work. Ruth just a small sampler of the pasteries if you don't mind, and the usual BK blastBig Smile [:D] ( for the vitamins Wink [;)] )

Tom-We have the nice warm stuff moving in as well,it's interwesting to see how quickly teh layers are peeling off on the yonger set up here,saw several pairs of shorts & mini dresses topped off with an unzipped parka,ah to be young againMischief [:-,].

 Tax time has come and went for us ( technically we have till midnight on the 30th ) but I never see the point leaving it to the end espeacially when a refund is pending,why let them get the intrest is how I feel about itApprove [^] There's always that mad dash the last few weeks n days up here as well,the difference being is that the post offices don't stay open late,so if you miss it you miss it.

 Van or caboose they are all dinosaurs today.Sigh [sigh] I kind of like the euro feel,guess it's just a  Canadian thing.

Say it ain't so you at Molly's. Boris will be sooo happy,I'm sure that he will want to sit beside you.

CM3-I see what you mean with today's numbers. One wonders how things are figured out today,as from what I see trackside ( and Brantfords at the top of the Niagara escarpment grade ) CN seems to over power everything or undepower , there seems to be no reason to it. A 50-100 car train can have three big SD's ( 60's or better ) or two old Wide cab equiped SD40-2's which barely make track speed. Indeed strange.

Eric-I'm not too worried about H&H's New York Dealings,I'm sure it was funded somehow by Vito's Northern cousins,they are just the poster girls for the place ( hows that for an appetite killer Question [?] )

 Neat shots from the MARC Thumbs Up [tup] looks alot liek the old Go transit sets before they went  to all BBR cabcar/coach sets

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Posted by coalminer3 on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:51 AM

Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.  More cold and frost last night - had to scrape the vehicle this a.m. - I am looking forward to the end of that for awhile.

Rob was in with comments and information.  You want to see some mountaionous tonnage - look at the end of this post.

Eric - Know what you mean about taxes - all of our paperwork showed up on time for once so I actually got them done early - about six weeks ago - first time in forever that that happened.  DC pictures I mentioned are of B&O power and trains - I'll try and remember them.

Fergie - Good to hear from you.

Pete was by with questions.  First one related to tonnage and helpers.  Helpers were added as needed, IOW as train load dictated.  This said, however, helpers were (are) also added if schedule dictates, weather conditions call for it, etc.  Digging through rulebooks and employee tts will give you a feel for what goes on where. 

There are trains operated for certain shippers.  UPS comes to mind here.  It's quite easy to tell as most of the loads will be UPS trailers.  Some trains also carry trailers for trucking companies.  Go trackside on just about any Class I and you will see them.  They truly do move right along as they have time constraints written into the contract.

OSP was in with some fine Grafix material.  The 1950 cover reminds me of one of Otto Kuhler's etching of steam locomotives.

In repsonse to your questions Let's revisit (try to clarify) tonnage math for a minute.

Yesterday we said, "This is based on a Baltimore and Ohio documents from July, 1968 titled "Condensed Slow Freight Ratings."  The math involved is pretty simple, quoting from the document, "The tonnage rating for an entire consist is equal to the sum of the tonnage rating of each unit in the consist."  IOW, add ‘em up.  "Consist" here means all of the locomotives. 

This is pretty straightforward.  For example, from Punxy to E. Salamanca, an SD40 can pull 3200 tons of weight.  For example if we have a train weighing 5,500 tons we will need 1.7 SD40s to pull the train; the .7 difference will (ideally) be made up by using a locomotive with a little less capacity.   

The point here is that you don't necessarily want to overpower things as it is a waste of fuel, etc.  This, of course, is not a hard and fast rule as you may need to move power or it's all you have available.

Tonnage ratings can (and often do) differ according to direction.  Look at the table again.

Punxy - E. Salamanca

SD40/U30C    3200

SD35            2675

GP40/GP38     2125

GP30/GP35     1825

GP9               1700

GP7/F7            1600

 

E. Salamanca - Punxy

SD40/U30C    2200

SD35            1800

GP40/GP38     1450

GP30/GP35     1250

GP9               1175

GP7/F7           1100

Punxy to E. Salamanca has a higher tonnage rating than E. Salamanca to Punxy.  This tells us that the road is a less rugged Punxy to E. Salamanca.  IOW, gravity is always the enemy.

Check this one out - it is the biggest difference I found in looking through the numbers.  This is some truly rugged country, but shows what engineering can do to make things easier.

Cumberland - Cumbo (Via North Mountain)

SD40/U30C    4975

SD35            4150

GP40/GP38     3325

GP30/GP35     2850

GP9               2650

GP7/F7           2500

Cumberland - Cumbo (Via Low Grade)

SD40/U30C    11550

SD35            9625

GP40/GP38     7700

GP30/GP35     6675

GP9               6140

GP7/F7           5800

Looking at this kind of information gives you an idea of what operational headaches railroads have to deal with. 

Hope this helps.

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 7:38 AM

<personal foto>

Wednesday's Witticism

You cain't never tell which way a pickle will squirt.

G'day Gents!

Mid-month ‘n mid-week once again ‘n the temps in mid-continent USA have returned to spring-like. Nice past couple of days with the warm up making everything rather pleasant. But wait - "they" are calling for rain on Friday <arrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhh>! Enuf is enuf . . . Thumbs Down [tdn]

Our Menu Board has been updated with the latest in <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts. Coffee has been freshly ground ‘n brewed. The Mentor Village Bakery case is brimming with the freshest bakery goods in town. <uummmmm> Thumbs Up [tup]

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Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):

Tuesday - April 15th: <all times Central daylite>:

Page 12 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 8:39 AM: Okay, it's OH-FISH-UL, I've enrolled myself in Molly Throttlebottoms' Adult Learning Centre class on "How to Decipher Shane's Data - in 3 easy steps or 1 hard one!" <uh oh> Sorry to admit that I have no clue what your locomotive data "says." <yikes> Banged Head [banghead] <dumbbell Moi> Perhaps I've not "come down" from my "white knuckle" drive of the day . . . but I need special help! <groan>

Always a treat to have our Resident WVA Connection aboard - neither snow nor sleet nor . . . <grin>

A few songs to brighten up your ‘winter's day' . . .

It Ain't Love But It Ain't Bad

I Still Miss You Baby, But My Aim's Gettin' Better

C'mon Down off the Stove, Granny, You're Too Old to Ride the Range

Don't Cry On My Shoulders Cause Your Rustin' My Spurs

Don't Run Through The Screen Door Honey You'll Only Strain Yourself

Thanx for the chat, quarters ‘n ROUND! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Page 13 - Dan <DL-UK> at 8:39 AM <2:39 PM GMT>: Two days in succession with "normal" contributions - could it be that you're back with us Question [?] Hope so! Thumbs Up [tup]

Being a bit redundant, I LUV those scales of measurement you use! Makes perfect sense to Moi! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

I'm more convinced than ever that England is indeed the country of museums . . . nice, interesting links! Thumbs Up [tup]

You've corroborated my contention that government indeed played a heavy hand in the downfall of not only this nation's railways, but others as well . . . Thumbs Down [tdn]

Nice having you with us again! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Page 13 - Fergie <Fergmiester> at 9:12 AM: What Ho! Our wayward Maritime Mariner has found safe haven within the warm confines of "Our" Place III after a long hiatus <aka: absence> since 22 March . . . Yeah, I screwed up on my date of reference back on Page One . . . however, IF you've checked, you'll see the error has been corrected. <grin>

So, what's shaking, Mate Question [?] Seems you've been everywhere but here! <geesh> No matter, at least you haven't totally forgotten this small, but active group. Recommend you peruse the Pages since your last Post . . . you just may find things of interest. Also, I've sent you a couple of Emails along the way, but apparently they've been "lost in space."

Good to see ya, Fergie . . . Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Page 13 - Pete <pwolfe> at 3:23 PM ‘n 4:04 PM: I've not heard of UPS in connection with railroading . . . would certainly be helpful if someone were to research this ‘n provide some elaboration. Thumbs Up [tup]

Another fine < I3 > Post well worth the eavesdropping! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Also, many THANX for dropping "in" over on "my other Thread!" Yeah!! [yeah]

Fine foto spread - too bad about the descriptions. Here's the link to the Colorado Railroad Museum . . . perhaps some elaborations may be found there! Thumbs Up [tup]

http://www.crrm.org/

Email sent this day . . .

As always, visit, chat ‘n ROUND most appreciated! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Page 13 - Allan <Gunneral> at 8:13 PM <5:13 PM Wednesday NZ time>: What could be better Question [?] A ROUND of Tui ‘n a fine < I3 > Post from our friend downunder in Kiwi land. Thumbs Up [tup]

Not worn out so much as weary from checking to see "who" was logged on . . . saw FIVE UTBs "on" at various times throughout the day. Surely makes one wonder . . . but not that much. Those who wanted to be here took the time ‘n made the effort to do so. It's as simple as that . . . And to think we used to have these "live" events quite often at the Bar by the Ballast. May very well have been our finale ‘n a "gudun" at that. Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Appreciate the visit ‘n of course the TUIs! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Page 13 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 10:47 PM ‘n 10:57 PM: A two-fer from north of the border from our Manager! Thumbs Up [tup]

Some chit ‘n chat, a bit o' this ‘n that along with a NEW Class Steam. Wow!! [wow]

I've never embraced the use of van as related to a caboose. It's simply what one grew up with I suppose. Never quite understood the incessant desire to be Euro with things here in north America. I mean we've been quite successful standing on our own. Probably not alone in that regard; refusal to accept the metric system is a good example. But yeah, I know - heritage, etc. <grin>

Good seeing the return to activity from our Resident Ontario Connection! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Wednesday - April 16th <all times Central daylite>:

Page 13 - Eric <EricX2000> at 12:09 AM: We've had all sorts of "reasons" for folks not making it "in" - but doing taxes is a FIRST! <geesh> As if the 15th sneaks up on people. <grin> I filed ours in early February ‘n got the state ‘n fed refunds about 2 weeks later. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

I have a neighbor who makes a ritual out of waiting ‘til the last minute - drops it off near mid-night at the Post Office to ensure the post mark gets placed on the 15th. I think I've upset him <more times than not!> about this, as I told him the PO should NOT remain open at taxpayers expense because of those unwilling or unable to do what the majority of us do. <snark> <snark>

Rendezvous III is approaching . . .

A fine <I3 > Post 'n foto from you ‘n appreciate the visit ‘n chat! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

 

 

* * * * *     * * * * *     * * * * *

Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.

Thursday is Fish ‘ Chips Nite!

Friday is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!

Saturday is Steak ‘n All The Trimmings Nite!

Dinner begins at 5 PM Dinner [dinner] so come early ‘n often! Yeah!! [yeah]

Cindy is our Saturday bartender! Yeah!! [yeah]

Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle! Thumbs Up [tup]

Tom Captain [4:-)] Pirate [oX)]

 

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Posted by EricX2000 on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:09 AM

Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!

Leon, I would like a Sugar Cured Ham Sandwich, please! The usual to drink.

Back again after taking care of the tax return last night. Grumpy [|(]

Tom –  Yepp, just 29 days until the 3rd Annual Rendezvous!

The tent? Who cares, aren’t you more worried about H&H and their restaurant in New York City? By the main track, not a siding! I've heard they are trying to steal Our Place’s customers!Oops [oops]

Interesting article on Railway Express Agency. Kind of old time’s UPS and FedEx!Smile [:)]

Must have been something else to ride the train all the way across Canada in those days! Yeah!! [yeah]

Nice magazine covers!Thumbs Up [tup] Would be very interesting to be able to read those magazines.

DL –  Glad you liked the artwork! I also like that photo of the freight yard 1959. It looks like the 50’s (which it is)! I just regret I didn’t take many more pictures back then. But film was expensive.Smile [:)]

CM3 –  I took the picture of Our Place at night but managed to change it to daylight by waiting to develop it until the next morning.Wink [;)]

The MARC engine is on track 15 to be more exact. It was interesting to see those locomotives in 1992 and 93 while they were still running. Push and pull with a cab car at the rear end. I am looking forward to see the pictures!

The cab car.


Thanks for the tonnage ratings!Thumbs Up [tup] I am going to look closer at them later so I’ve copied them. Are those numbers for one locomotive?Question [?] Some numbers look high for just one locmotive.

Pete –  To be still going strong at 1:30 AM? It is just a matter of habits.Wink [;)] I do a lot of things in the late evening and/or early, early morning.

I wouldn’t bet on what H&H are going to do with their restaurant.Whistling [:-^]

The loading gauge in Sweden is one of the widest in Europe. The Swedish State Railways used to have quite a few box cars built for traffic to and from the U.K.. They looked like other modern Swedsih box cars but were much more narrow. I haven’t seen any of those box cars for many years.

After all the celebration going on last Saturday I am surprised that Our Place is still standing. I guess the tent saved the building. Rest in peace!Wink [;)]

Nice photos from Colorado Railroad Museum! The locomotives are (from the top):
#191, Denver Leadville & Gunnison 2-8-0 Baldwin 1/1880
AOC (American Oil Co.) #1, 0-4-0T, ALCO
D&RG #683, 2-8-0, Baldwin 10/1890
CB&Q #5629, 4-8-4, CB&Q 6/1940

More info on this link:
http://www.crrm.org/locomotives.htm


Nick –  I am not sure what capacity those old Swedish box cars had. I’ll check it and come back. Glad you liked the photo. Smile [:)]

Red is a good color for a caboose.Yeah!! [yeah]

I think you are right about the design of the 0-4-4T locomotives.

Interesting pictures.Thumbs Up [tup] That0-4-0 tender tank certainly looks different. I guess the tender was for coal only?  I think that is obvious when looking at the same locmotive in the last picture. Smile [:)]

Rob –  Glad to hear that the bride is doing well! Yeah!! [yeah]

Have you checked what is going on with H&H’s restaurant in New York City?Oops [oops]

Interesting story, the Peanut Line!Thumbs Up [tup] Didn’t the authorities notice that CPR was behind all those branch lines?Question [?]

Fergie –  Hustling in the garden? I thought you were buried in snow up there.Wink [;)] But I guess you get more rain than  snow along the coast.

Allan –  You are right about the party! A real humdinger!Wow!! [wow] Glad you liked the photos.

 

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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:57 PM

 Something new for everyone to read,might as well contribute to this new bar since it's 13 pages old alreadyWow!! [wow]Big Smile [:D]

CLASSIC STEAM # 34 THE PEANUT LINE CPR's CORNWALL ROUTE

 

 Over the boom years of the railroad building boom in ontario, the province and country witnessed the chartering,surveying and in most cases the building of hundreds of small railway lines.In the early years most of them actually operated as independant companies till various downturns in economies forced them to amalgamate or die.Even with this there were still dozens of other railway companies on paper, that were in fact just subsidiaries of the larger companies.The Peanut line is one of these.

  In 1910 the CPR had been limited to the number of railway charters that it could own.They still remained however anxious to keep adding to their network of branchlines in order to feed their mainlines throughout the country.One method they used to get around these restrictions was for private individuales ( paid by the CPR under the table  ) to establish a railway company on paper, obtain a Provincial or Federal charter and hopefully raise the start up funding and capitol. They would then lease this company to the CPR to operate it for 999 years.This was how the Peanut Line as it came to be known was started up.It ran from Cornwall Ontario to St Polycarpe PQ.

  From the start of the railway building boom the Grand Trunk had obtained a virtual monopoly along the north shore of Lake Ontario and the St Lawrence River. Through the various mergers and amalgamations of the small feeder lines through out this area.When the CPR decided to follow the lake shore they had to locate farther inland, and missed the key port cities of Kingston,Ganaoque,and Cornwall.To obtain lake access the CPR in the case of Kingston took over the Kingston and Pembrooke RY which was already an established resource railway.

  In the case of the City of Cornwall, it was forced to create a dummy company.This Dummy corp was known as the Glengary and Stormont.The charter for the G&S laid out a 40 km ( 29 mile ) route from St Polycarpe Jct in Quebec which was on the CPR's Montreal mainline, to Cornwall where it would establish junction points with the GT and the New York Centrals Ottawa branchline.The line was finished in 1915 and was leased immediatly to the CPR.seven stations were built along the line.With main ones at St Polycarpe and Cornwall and small depots at Bridge End,North Lancaster,Glen Gordon,Williamstown, and Glenbrooke.Passenger service was included in the CPR's daily mixed train from Montreal to Cornwall.

  It was a small resorce and farm product carrying line ( peanuts at the time being a major revenue sorce hence it's nickname )As small manufacturing plants came on line some finished products were carried as well. In Cornwall itself the line never actually reached the harbour, it stopped at a station several miles away at Pitt street, where it conected and exchanged passengers with the local street railway the Cornwall Street Railway (CSR) A small engine house and turntable as well as a freight shed wre built at this terminal point with the CSR.This yard also connected locally with the NYC and the GT.Passenger servcie ended in 1952 and the CPR finally lifted the line entirly in 1990. The last ten or so years saw one or two local switching trains a day.

 

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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:47 PM

Good evening Leon,just a round of keith's for myself and the few remaining members of the track gangs. Bit of an interesting day here at the saloon by the siding. Some good stuff to be sure Thumbs Up [tup]

Tom-Great spate of classic covers Thumbs Up [tup] No worries about me I was trying to be funny last night oh well,(though I do like the Maple Leaf Forever as a piece of music,it's not PC enough today though ) I see that the bars restocked so we have earned out pay for the week thank-you very muchWhistling [:-^]

 And to be fair I like Vans not caboosesBig Smile [:D]Mischief [:-,]

CM3-Interesting numbers on those tonnage ratings , I'd hate to see the numbers on a truly mountainous line,thanks for digging them out and "splaining" them to us Thumbs Up [tup]

Dan-Hey Dan's back in the grove , couple of neat urls and some inetersting chat on UK loco's always love evesdropping on those conversations between the three of you guys.

Pete-Soooo it all makes sence now why I keopt hearing H&H giggling then yelling bookends and then the metalic crunch of what is now the rermains of our empty kegs. Oh well we lost the deposit but Vito can still recycle them into god knows whatShock [:O]Lots of neat stories behind the CPR . Tom's right in the sence that it was chartered primarily as a a physical atatchment for all teh provinces of teh new country remembering that betweem Ontario and BC was just underpopualted wilderness as the praire provinces had yet to be created.There was a tangible fear that the US would move in and "aquire the empty virgin spaces"Theres an absolute ton of info out there. if you can find Pierre Burton's books on the Last Spike it explains alot of the political history of the CPR.

 Some great steam shots,I can't help you out with the types but they are soem nice looking  pieces of equipment.

Fergie-For the record I feel the same way about the new Keith's Thumbs Down [tdn] You must stop being so hard to get along with going through XO's like thatWink [;)]

Allan-Yes alls well again. Thanks for your concern though.I've enjoyed the little giggles in our inbox as well Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by Gunneral on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:13 PM

Hi Tom and all,

The usual round of Tui`s for the guys` please Leon!Yeah!! [yeah]

Tom. Looks as if things are easing down a wee bit after that great 3rd Anniversary party, hope you did`nt get too worn out keeping up with everything?Wink [;)] Thanks for the flicks for the weekend, the BITD #18 info, with pics, on the Railway Express Agency, the Passenger Train Nostalga on the `86 Canadian passenger train, and the great set of colourful covers in the Classic Covers #2.Approve [^]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

Eric. From what I saw of the party it was a real humdinger!Wink [;)] Nice pics of the old box car in your old country and the Santa Fe caboose.Approve [^]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

Rob. Good to see you back again, and real nice to hear that Heather is feeling so much better now. Thanks again for those couple of smiles` in my mailbox.Smile [:)]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

Nick. Nice set of pics of the Tallylyn Rly and all the others too.Approve [^]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

Dan. Thanks for that link to Tom Rolt`s books will have a check on them. In 1953 I remember that a lot of trips on the Tallylyn Rly were done in the open 4 wheeled goods trucks, they had planks nailed across the top to sit on, OK if it was`nt raining at all!  We would volunteer to help with the track formation and track laying in our spare time at the weekends, our nearest big town was Barmouth, their was`nt much night life at Towyn, if we missed the last train back to Towyn we would have to walk across that very long wooden viaduct over the estuary on the way back, you had to watch the gaps in the sleepers very carefully after a few beers`, it was highly illegal to use the bridge and walk on the track of course!Wink [;)]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

CM3. Good to see you back, an interesting lot of info in those Tonnage Ratings`.Approve [^]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

Fergie. Good to see you are back on dry land again.Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

Pete. Sorry I confused you about my favourite A4 loco mate, I meant favourite class of loco, my order of preference is Silver Link, because I was 1 month old when it did the 1st Silver Jubilee run to Newcastle in 1935, then Mallard because of the World Steam loco speed record in 1938, then Sir Nigel Gresley`s namesake, it`s thanks to people like Billy Butlin and Alan Pegler,and the Barry scrapyard of course, that the UK has such a great collection of restored steam locos`running these days.Big Smile [:D] I can see why those barge pushers were called "butteys", do they just call sandwich`s sarnies in your old home area? When I was very young during WWII we used to eat a lot of "Dripping" butties or "Sweetened Condensed Milk" butties if we could`nt  get any Jam in our the rations`.Sigh [sigh] Some nice pics from your Colorado Railroad Museum trip.Smile [:)]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:16 PM

G'day Gents!

Interesting day thus far - CM3 Shane - Dan 'n Fergie in the AM with Pete coming by in mid-afternoon. Speaking of Fergie - haven't seen him here since Mar 22nd . . . apparently hasn't picked up on our 3rd Year Anniversary Bash . . . it's that "coffee shop syndrome" I tell ya! <groan> Anyway - good to see ALL who took the time 'n made the effort . . . specifics in my next round of acknowledgments . . .

Long day for Moi - hate that drive over to "my FAY-VOR-ITE Air Force Base . . . 110 miles round-trip through some of the most uninteresting terrain in these parts. "That side" of the Mississippi isn't anywhere as pleasant as Misery <Missouri>! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] 

 

Now Arriving on Track #1

A Nickel's Worth of Classic Covers!

Number Two

<Initially Posted on Page 123, 10 Oct 2007 at "Our" Place II>

 

Caveat: Use of the images presented is made under the provisions of Public Domain. There is no intent to profit or otherwise benefit from the display of these images except for personal pleasure.

 

(1) RR Magazine - 1952 - Destination Pittsburgh

 

(2) RR Magazine - 1945 - The Mighty Railway

 

(3) RR Magazine - 1950 - Through the Night

 

(4) RR Magazine - 1943 - Working on the Railroad

 

(5) RR Magazine - 1952 - Sea Isle

 

Enjoy! Thumbs Up [tup]

Tom Captain [4:-)] Pirate [oX)]

 

Missed the 1st one Question [?] - see Page 3

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Posted by pwolfe on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:04 PM

Hi Tom and all.

Another Bathams please RUTHThumbs Up [tup].

Some more photos from the Colorado Railroad Museum.I'm afraid I dont know about the locomotives in the photos. I could not find a guide book(I probably would have lost it if I had found oneSigh [sigh]) I am sure some of the regulars will be able to help identify themThumbs Up [tup]


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Posted by pwolfe on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:23 PM

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams please RUTH.Thumbs Up [tup]

NICK That explains the flashes I saw Saturday nightConfused [%-)]. I hope Simon and his Gibson Les Paul has turned up OK.Thumbs Up [tup]

I was at the Tal-Y-Lyn a couple of years after your visit and I think it was Sir Hyden that I traveled behind. It has been a few years now since I was last there now unfortunately.

Yes Sat night reminded me of when we found that elusive beast the Bathams XXXApprove [^] (it is only sold around Christmas time and it sells out very quickly) on sale at The Railwayman's Arms on Bridgnorth station and were having halves of the normal Bathams Bitter as chasersSmile,Wink, & Grin [swg]. I have heard, a secretly taken video of my ‘Satisfaction' routine, has been refused on u-tube as too horrific.Shock [:O]Smile [:)]

I thought the Met 4-4-4Ts would interest youEvil [}:)] they look quite handsome tanksApprove [^] with, to me, a smokebox reminiscent of the Great Northern Ivatt Atlantics and a rather short side tank. The Met also had six 2-6-4 Tanks that were converted from SECR class N 2-6-0s built by Woolwich Aresnal, There is a look of the ‘River' class tanks about them I think.

It is sometimes forgotten that LT was still using steam for its work trains up to mid 1971 nearly 3 years after BR had finished with standard gauge steam.

Yes I guess wearing a Shrewsbury shirt west if the Marches would not be a wise move at the momentOops [oops], still I bet there was not many tears shed when the Mighty Shrews dropped out the leagueSad [:(], luckily for just one seasonApprove [^], a couple of years a go. Still a Welsh team could win the FA CupShock [:O].

That must have been the first rule of shed masters, don't send a good engine away to foreign parts on an excursion.Yeah!! [yeah]

Many thanks for the photosApprove [^]Thumbs Up [tup]. I dare say L. T. Rolt has a lot more pulling power than original Tal-Y-Lyn engines.

I will look forward to details of the Haverfordwest changesThumbs Up [tup], what a shame none of the class 120 DMU driving cars were saved for preservationSad [:(].

Love those old Welsh Highland photosApprove [^]Thumbs Up [tup], I guess it is not going to be long now that trains will run again on the line after it as been rebuilt, a great projectBow [bow].

Can we have the Dolly Parton photo first next timeWhistling [:-^]

ROB I though I was on to a good thing with all the 3d for the empty bottles and two gons full of empty cansThumbs Up [tup] ready for Vito the Hits cousins scrap metal business. But that was before I found that H&H have been flattening the empty kegs by sitting on them Shock [:O]as they thought it would be able to handle them better that wayBanged Head [banghead], and we have lost the deposit on themSigh [sigh].

Yes the Zeppelin has arrived and we are re-stocked againApprove [^], COPPERKETTLE is very quiet about his Saturday night for some reasonYeah!! [yeah].

CM3 Many thanks for the Tonnage Rating for the B&O dieselsThumbs Up [tup], the post formatted real wellThumbs Up [tup]. It is interesting to see how the load allowed varied with the different terrain of the route. I guess when helpers were in usual use, the tonnage allowed took this into account.

DL Yes that is true about the common carrier obligation on British railways, which as you say gave the early road transport a massive advantageThumbs Down [tdn].

Thanks for the link to Abbey Pumping StationThumbs Up [tup] I see they have a Classics and Railway Day coming up soon, with their narrow gauge railway in operation.Approve [^] I had look in their map and it is indeed quite close to the GCR Leicester North Station. If I recall right the Hoskins's brewery was in the same area as well.

I have had some Transcord records in the past but I think they were mostly borrowed from some one. As you say that is a remarkable range of recordingsBow [bow]. I did not know that they were produced on 78s,10inch and 7-inch 33RPM records. I remember the 7 inch 45RPM EPs very well.Thumbs Up [tup]

 I remember a friend had the D for Diesels one, and wondering why at the time, but I bet today it is probably one of the most sought after, It featured the early LMS and Southern diesels 10000 and 10201 if I recall right. There are CDs of the recordingsThumbs Up [tup], I have the LMS one, also a couple of cassettes that were given away with the Steam Railway magazine quite a while ago now have made it with me across the pond.Approve [^] On the records the great thing I think is the way the scene is set with the normal sounds until the train can be heard approachingApprove [^]. I can recall, on one recording, how a village church bells are sounding and then an A3 rushes by on London bound express, magical stuffYeah!! [yeah].

Sadly I read that Mr. Handford has passed away quite recentlySad [:(] but is great recordings will live onBow [bow].

On the link, I could not get it to show any of the contents of the records like the Grantham one, could you helpQuestion [?] those notes on the recordings are great.Approve [^]  

TOM Enjoyed our chat yesterdayThumbs Up [tup] and looking forward to the weekendYeah!! [yeah].

It was sad that the REA service finished. I guess they used the baggage cars on passenger trains to deliver the small parcels with it being delivered to the customer with REA road transport from the station. I have read that UPS use a dedicated train for their parcels over a long distance but not sure of any details.

It would be good to read more about the location of the CP's coast-to-coast lineYeah!! [yeah].

I've no idea how Nick got the impression I enjoy a beer or threeConfused [%-)], and with a new brew pub/restaurant just opening here in Jeff City.Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

The puter is being real slow loading todayBanged Head [banghead], so I will post this and be back with some photos in a bitThumbs Up [tup].

A round please RUTHThumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by Fergmiester on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:12 AM

Good Morning Captain Tom and Crew

I'll have the Tuesday special with a side order of kippers please and I'll pay the tab for the next couple of hours. Yes a knock on the door at three 3am and a smiling Guido kinda wakes you up!

Anyway I'm on dry land for a bit and busy hustling in the garden. I will promise to be a bit more diligent with my posting. Last month though alongside was shear H-E-Double Hockey Sticks as the ship was delayed from refit, which gave us 3 weeks to get ready for ops. went through 2 XO's and had no XO for 5 days so I was bussier than a one armed paper hanger.

BTW Tom. Don't waste your time on the Kieth's Traditional Lager...Dead [xx(]

Lars: good to see you again! Miss your pics!

Nick: I must have missed something... How did Mooshy Peas get mixed up with Cocoaine and heroine? I haven't had mooshy Pease in a dog's age. Any chance of getting those into next week's special?

Rob: We had several of those in Halifax. Don't see them anymore, which is a shame as the GP's that replaced them look in much worse shape then the switchers. 

Love the new exterior

decor on the place, looks good!

Must run

Later All

Fergie 

 

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Posted by DL - UK on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:43 AM

Hello Tom

I'll have a pint of Harvey's please.

Tom - thanks for the Railway Express article (plus other comments) - I'd not understood how that worked (don't think we had any equivalent arrangement in the UK but others will correct me - so I learned something interesting there, although the UK railways did have a ‘common carrier' obligation - the requirement to shift any article that anyone might care to ask them to move, which of course road hauliers had no obligation to do, thus allowing them to easily undermine rail on competitive flows in the early days of the haulage industry, whilst the railway had to maintain a whole host of wagons to shift this and that even if the prospect of turning a profit from certain cargoes was nil ).

CM3 - interesting post with a range of material.

Rob - nice the see you friend.

Pete - Thanks for your comments. Yes, I've heard of Abbey Pumping Station in Leicester - I've not been there but it does have open days.

 http://www.leicester.gov.uk/your-council--services/lc/leicester-city-museums/museums/abbey-pumping-station

It seems it is not far from GCR Belgrave Station

An other thing I wanted to mention, which I think you might find of interest esp if you had any yourself - was that I found and bought 3 Transacord steam 7 inch vinyl records. I got these from the shop at Matlock Station where the Peak Rail operation is. They were in mint condition - although I did have to pay 4 quid (2 pints) each! One is of Castle Class locos in Devon, the other 2 are recordings of LNER steam taken at Grantham Station. Transacord's must have had big sales back in the day.

This website gives the full discography with a remarkable range of recordings.

http://www.steamindex.com/library/handford.htm

I wonder whether many of these sound recordings have made it on to CD? I expect they have (maybe you could sample these for a gig Nick?)

Nick - I'm no expert on 0-4-4 steam - although I associate it with pre-grouping stuff - I think the LBSCR had some but I may be imagining that! Really enjoyed your recollections of the Tallyllyn, and the great photographs too - thanks for sharing.

Thanks also for the up date on Haverfordwest - I see the signal box and centre road have gone - no doubt much else too, sadly. Is it unstaffed nowadays?

Cheerio

DL

 

 

 

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Posted by coalminer3 on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:39 AM

Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.  It seems as though winter has returned.  Had a nice trip home from work in yesterday in ice and snow which was followed by sun, and then by a very heavy frost last night.  We are supposed to have temperatures in the 20s this evening and then - maybe tomorrow - it will start to warm up again.

Pete was by with comments.

Nick stopped in with comments, flashbacks, and pictures.  Watch those patching compounds, lad.  They are painting some of the spaces at work and it gets quite interesting, even with supposedly "adequate" ventilation. 

Rob - Good to hear from you and glad that things are getting back to what passes for normal.

OSP was by with a fine piece of CP history.  'Locomotives" and "tigers" were cheers back in the day - Boris remembers them because he played football for the Transvylvania Eleven years ago - problem is that they didn't use helmets - explains a lot, don't tou think?

Let's get started with some tonnage rating material.  This is based on a Baltmiore and Ohio documents from July, 1968 titled "Condensed Slow Freight Ratings."  The math involved is pretty simple, quoting from the document, "The tonnage rating for an entire consist is equal to the sum of the tonnage rating of each unit in the consist."  IOW, add ‘em up.  "Consist" here means all of the locomotives. 

The sheets provided ratings for the following types of locomotives.  Note that it is an interesting mixture of first and second-generation units and that different units in some cases have the same tonnage ratings:   SD40/U30C; SD35; GP40/GP38; GP30/GP35; GP9; GP7/F7.

We'll start by looking at what used to be the Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburgh (BR&P) which later became part of the B&O and still later Chessie and then B&P.  Parts of the line are abandoned, but other sections of it are still active. 

The first piece covers the road from Butler, PA to Punxatawney, PA

Butler - Punxy  NOTE:  This tells us that the profile of the railroad was roughly the same in both directions

(East and West)

 SD40/U30C   3500

SD35            2900

GP40/GP38     2325

GP30/GP35     2000

GP9               1850

GP7/F7          1750

E. Salamanca is where the BR&P had a large yard and locomotive shops.  The main line of the Erie passed through the City of Salamanca which was (and is) just to the west.  Salamanca had set out Pullman service so it was a place of some importance on the Erie.

Punxy to E. Salamanca was a little easier as shown by the numbers.

Punxy - E. Salamanca

SD40/U30C    3200

SD35            2675

GP40/GP38     2125

GP30/GP35     1825

GP9               1700

GP7/F7           1600

E. Salamanca - Punxy

SD40/U30C    2200

SD35             1800

GP40/GP38     1450

GP30/GP35     1250

GP9               1175

GP7/F7           1100

This segment covers the part of the railroad which ran right past my in laws farm.  It is presently out of service below Orchard Park, NY.  I doubt very much if it will ever see a train again.  You can tell that the terrain is much more rugged heading south from Buffalo - Helpers were used on trains through here back in the day when they had steam.

 

E. Salamanca - Buffalo

SD40/U30C    3800

SD35            3150

GP40/GP38     2525

GP30/GP35     2175

GP9              2025

GP7/F7          1900

 

Buffalo - E. Salamanca

SD40/U30C    2100

SD35            1750

GP40/GP38     1400

GP30/GP35     1200

GP9              1125

GP7/F7          1050

Bow we'll see if this will post and hold its alignment; it looks good on the screen here but we all know that doesn't mean anything.

work safe

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:11 AM

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G'day Gents!

A mugga Joe, a pastry or three to jump start things ‘n a <light> or <traditional> breakfast to round things out - so what's the delay Question [?] Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Comments from the Proprietor

Really running late this AM . . . took the bride out to dinner <nothing special, just getting my ticket punched - so to speak> Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] Got home to answer the fone for a "marathon" chat with my friend the Wolfman . . . so the "things" I normally do to prepare these dailies didn't get done . . . So apologies in advance if I don't get to all the comments in proper fashion . . . <groan>

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Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):

Monday - April 14th: <all times Central daylite>:

Page 12 - Dan <DL-UK> at 6:54 AM <1:54 PM GMT>: We're open at 6 AM no matter where you are on the globe <don't ask how we do that!> so, no problem, Mate! Glad to see ya so soon after our Saturday Gala! Thumbs Up [tup]

Fortuitous or not, it was terrific to have you with us on a repetitive basis for our 3rd Year Anniversary party . . . goes to show that when opportunity knocks, some take full advantage whereas others don't know what opportunity is! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Good scoop on the Rolt book . . . have to keep his work in mind if ‘n when I ever get going again on my stack o' things to read! <groan>

Appreciate the visit ‘n chat! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Page 12 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 9:13 AM: Last time I checked, petrol had reached $3.38 <rounded> up at "Collusion Corner." I'll be out ‘n about <ooot ‘n abooot for Rob> today with a long round trip to make, so the tank of "cheap gas" will get me to ‘n from before having to refill. <ugh>

"Three locomotives and a tiger" Question [?] That's a new one on Moi! ‘splain, Mate - ‘splain! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

And remember, "There's no crying in baseball!"

Visit, chat, quarters ‘n ROUND always welcome! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Page 12 - Pete <pwolfe> at 1:53 PM: And a good day with a couple of fone conversations. Looking forward to the visit from the Wolfe's at week's end. Thumbs Up [tup]

REA was a "fixture" on the railway scene - used to see their trucks on the highways all the time. Buildings ‘n even aircraft. Then - gone-ZO. Once America's passenger trains bit the dust, it was all history. Not knowing the details of the strangling rules ‘n regulations of the day, my guess is that had quite a bit to do with their demise. "Things" were definitely slanted in favor of highways ‘n airways "back in the end of the day." <sad>

While Rob can probably add something to the discussion, the completion of the CP from coast to coast had quite a bit to do with our northern neighbor's paranoia regarding those Yanks encroaching on their southern border. Lots of political stuff going on regarding the railroads on both sides of the 49th . . . . There's a reason the CP trackage is as far south as the topography would permit. Some good reading in the books that have been published about the CP . . .

Appreciate your outstanding < I3 > Post - ‘n to think that no one is reading your words! <grin>

Thanx for the visit, chat ‘n ROUND! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Page 12 - Nick <nickinwestwales> at 7:21 PM ‘n 7:55 PM <1:21 AM ‘n 1:55 AM Tuesday GMT>: The man is back in the saddle, in full swing again ‘n be still our hearts! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Me a tenor Question [?] Hardly! Even when I was doing "background" singing while in a rather popular high school rock ‘n roll group - my contributions were well hidden amongst those who could carry a tune! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] <doo wop diddy, ‘n so forth . . .>

Interesting take on the "caboose" remark - for I wound up married over something like that! <grin>

All kinds of great commentary, as always along with spates of fine fotos too! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] I'll have to add your Haverfordwest shot to my collection for the next time . . . Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

"Barebones" fotos really fall short of the mark without some narrative. Thanx for the extra-effort, Mate! Yeah!! [yeah]

Got a kick out of the "summaries" regarding our Saturday Bash . . . you surely recall more than most - as I believe the ‘lights went out' rather early for more than a few! <uh oh> The Wolfman a beer drinker, surely you jest! <grin>

Of WWII munitions - lost guitars ‘n laments from days gone by - all for fun ‘n good cheer. Many thanx, Mate! Yeah!! [yeah] Bow [bow] Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

A tankard of our finest for the man from west Wales! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Page 12 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 9:42 PM: Holding up the end of things with the day's final Post. Thumbs Up [tup]

Flag stirred up a bit of emotion I see. Look, in life there are far more important things to get wrapped ‘round the axle over - like squaring away this joint after our Saturday Bash. You ARE being paid to be the Manager - so get a move on. <geesh> If it isn't the Bar Chandler nagging about his pay now I gotta contend with a Manager who comes ‘n goes. <triple geesh>

A symbol is a symbol - pretty much best to leave it at that I suppose. Remember the house rules, eh Question [?]

I caught that disparaging comment regarding the syrup from the trees . . . so what's wrong with that, I say Question [?] Coming from a place where warm beer is "in," what does he know anyway, eh Question [?] Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

So you think Eric's caboose is "nice," hmmmmmm. Perhaps I should rethink my plans to spend time with you next month. <uh oh>

Well, I gottta run . . . . so good to have you back ‘n hope all continues to mend well. Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

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Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.

Thursday is Fish ‘ Chips Nite!

Friday is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!

Saturday is Steak ‘n All The Trimmings Nite!

Dinner begins at 5 PM Dinner [dinner] so come early ‘n often! Yeah!! [yeah]

Cindy is our Saturday bartender! Yeah!! [yeah]

Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle! Thumbs Up [tup]

Tom Captain [4:-)] Pirate [oX)]

 

Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by trolleyboy on Monday, April 14, 2008 9:42 PM

Good evening Gents. Leon your still looking a tad shell shocked today.I think i'lls ettle in with a Keith's ( if Tom left anyMischief [:-,] after his flirtatious on stage performance )If no Keith's then I'll settle for a Canadian.

Tom-You are right reading through the debris of the party we did go out well should it be the last bash,I'm thinking that it won't be though,espeacially since H&H are re-tooling the torn tent as a new line of fashion for the "Young and Depraved set"Big Smile [:D]

Quite the twofer from you a Classic CPR post and a fine run down on the REA.Interesting to see how a proud old company ended sad but typicalSad [:(]

I'm glad to see the proper Canadian Flag in that post not Mr Pearsons Underwear as we refer to the current rendition.I also think that the Maple Leaf Forever should be out official antham but I digress.

 So you have to tell us who is Junneau's luckey new friend Question [?]

CM3-Yes the right side of the boat is up thank-you again for your thoughts.Thumbs Up [tup] The info you are planning on digging out on some of the early diesels should prove very interesting Thumbs Up [tup]

Nick-Why are there several crates of what seem to be 16" shells in front of Boris's shedShock [:O]and somehow I don't by his and Leon's story that they are the new "dupont flasher" fishing lureShock [:O]

The mentor Fuslieirs tell me that they found Simone  floating,face up in the mentor river still attempting to pull a tune out of that old gibson. H&H say he will be fine once they have "purged" his system. <uh oh >

 Fancy some maple syrup Question [?]Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]Thnaks for the well wishes mate,but all seems well today Thumbs Up [tup]We'll chalk it up to a really bad case of montezuma's revenge.Dead [xx(]Great photo's sir a fine kick off to year 4 Thumbs Up [tup]

Glad to see Dan pop by with a normal offering as well hopefully this will be a sign of things to come Thumbs Up [tup]

Eric-Nice cabooseBig Smile [:D] Thanks for your well wishes as well  Thumbs Up [tup] as I said alls well that's well overwith.

Pete-Looks like it's going to be a good day for teh bottle recycling,with teh deposits alone for returning those two carloads we should be able to partially pay for the restocking.I hear the Zep comming so your first load is ready to be counted and put away. Oh Boris.

Rob

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Posted by nickinwestwales on Monday, April 14, 2008 7:55 PM

O.K then chaps-some pix:-

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Here we have a 4-in-1 from the Tal-Y-Lyn-Top & bottom left-the new engine `Tom Rolt` -I believe to be an Andrew Barclay product,originally bulit for the 3` gauge for the Bord na Mona (Irish turf co.-peat-used as a fuel over there) now on 2`3" track-an 0-4-2 if memory serves-rebuilt at Tywn Pendre works and a fine hauler-please ignore the hairy degenerate posing next to her-my wife married him (mostly out of pity I suspect) Top right we have the grand old lady,Tal-Y-Lyn on a down working and bottom right,Kerr Stuart #4-ex Corris rly in original livery at the bottom stn

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top left-Merseysider-a composite of several diesels-will give specifics later-used on MOW trains-top right-ex Glyn Valley tramway 1st class coach,rescued and rejuvenated-bottom left-the grand old lady again-one of my favourite shots-note the Welsh Dragon flag on the buffer beam-bottom right `Dolgoch`-most likely the engine ALLAN rode behind-in light steam at Pendre works

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Right-here is a then and now of my local station -Haverfordwest-will go into the differences later (when I have recovered from this bout of involuntary solvent abuse.........

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Here we have one of the Festiniog Rly`s original George England 0-4-0 tender tanks on the Welsh Highland line,taking water at Beddgelert sometime in between 1923 & the 2nd war

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And from the other end of the same station-on the left ,an `England` engine is ready to depart for Portmadoc to connect with Festiniog services (note the station mistress in full Welsh costume talking to the driver) whilst Hunslet `Russell`(in cut down,or mutilated condition,arrives with a service frome Dinas Junction-the shadow in the mist in the background is Mt. Snowdon

Would post a colour pic of self,Dolly Parton & Kylie Minogue enjoying a jacuzzi together ,but the rule of six applies.......Whistling [:-^]

take care now guys-speak soon

Chef [C=:-)]

 

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