daveklepper I have not traveled out of my regular routine since the first news of the virus was available. i have not seen panic buying in the one supermarket I visited nor in the two neighborhood small markets that I visit more frequently. There do not appear to be any shortages of regular household purchases here. Only imported exotic items.
I have not traveled out of my regular routine since the first news of the virus was available. i have not seen panic buying in the one supermarket I visited nor in the two neighborhood small markets that I visit more frequently. There do not appear to be any shortages of regular household purchases here. Only imported exotic items.
I'm not surprised Israel's had no panic buying. People who live in a country that's been the center of a bulls-eye target for so many decades tend not to scare so easily. Those people are tough. Trust me, I've met a few.
Here is one thing that a railroad buff can do that involves little risk of getting COVID-19.
Almost every day I get into the car and drive 35 miles to my favorite train watching spot. Just me. It is a relatively remote spot; I don't get close to anyone.
There probably is a good reason(s) why I don’t get close to anyone. Most people don't know where it is. And even more don't give a damn about watching trains. Well, I cannot help it if they are culturally deprived.
Of course, I have to gas up the car periodically. So, I carry some homemade sanitizer, and I wipe my hands after handling the pump.
Given that only .0002%of the people in Texas have been diagnosed with COVID-19, I am not too worried about getting it. I am a lot more concerned about some of the road nuts that seem to believe they are driving bumper cars.
Rio Grande Valley, CFI,CFII
Quite true. Statistically you've got a much better chance of being killed on the road than being killed by the "bug."
daveklepperOne thhing the USA could learn from us is this: Obviously hotels have largeliy lost their clientel. So two hotels, one in T. A. and one in Jersusalem, with possibly more to come, are convelescent homes, where those recovering from the virus, but still under quarentene, can live, since they do not require constant medical care and can free up hospital bed for those that do requie it.
We've got a 9 story hospital downtown that has been in process of being phased out for years, entire floors are mothballed, and they had hard plans to close it entirely within the next couple years.
One can only hope they are now pondering a contingency plan to make productive use of that space.
charlie hebdo Dave's continued attacks on China are part of an organized attempt to distract the public from our own failures to properly deal with a health crisis. It's an old political strategy: find an external enemy to focus attention away. In Israel a criminal continues to be premier. Familiar? It's time to put aside nationalist arrogance, individual needs and partisanship and work together.
Dave's continued attacks on China are part of an organized attempt to distract the public from our own failures to properly deal with a health crisis. It's an old political strategy: find an external enemy to focus attention away. In Israel a criminal continues to be premier. Familiar?
It's time to put aside nationalist arrogance, individual needs and partisanship and work together.
I concur.
L will not reply to the aboveL:
I can point out that I have posted absolutely nothing about the viris in the USA and rely on what I read in on-line newspapers and contributors to this thread.
Regarding Israel, which I do comment on:
Convicted One daveklepper One thhing the USA could learn from us is this: Obviously hotels have largeliy lost their clientel. So two hotels, one in T. A. and one in Jersusalem, with possibly more to come, are convelescent homes, where those recovering from the virus, but still under quarentene, can live, since they do not require constant medical care and can free up hospital bed for those that do requie it. We've got a 9 story hospital downtown that has been in process of being phased out for years, entire floors are mothballed, and they had hard plans to close it entirely within the next couple years. One can only hope they are now pondering a contingency plan to make productive use of that space.
daveklepper One thhing the USA could learn from us is this: Obviously hotels have largeliy lost their clientel. So two hotels, one in T. A. and one in Jersusalem, with possibly more to come, are convelescent homes, where those recovering from the virus, but still under quarentene, can live, since they do not require constant medical care and can free up hospital bed for those that do requie it.
Once upon a time hospitals were viewed as altruistic organizations - dedicated to the health of their patients.
Now they are totally for profit entities and with much of today's diagnostic equipment running in the seven and eight figure price tag to acquire there is no pretense of being altruistic. To be competitive in the hospital marketplace each hospital has to have the latest in diagnostic equipment - those that determine they can't afford the equipment cease to exist.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Space in the form of unused rooms is not very useful without the needed medical equipment, such as PPE for staff and ventilators for those with compromised respiratory systems.
China's role in this mess can not be ignored. Their first ignoring the problem, then trying to hide it from the world, then trying to blame it on US troops is totally unacceptable. The other casualty in this is the WHO and its director which accepted China's version for so long that the world was slow to take action. The WHO (and its director) have lost their credability and its going to take a major change for it to be trusted again.
alphasChina's role in this mess can not be ignored.
Nor can our role.
The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.
zugmann alphas China's role in this mess can not be ignored. Nor can our role.
alphas China's role in this mess can not be ignored.
You mean the virus won't just go away when the weather warms up!?
Greetings from Alberta
-an Articulate Malcontent
Funny thing is that probably the best response to COVID-19 was from the Republic of China (Taiwan). One of the the first things they did was to gear up on the prodction of face masks, shut down travel from the PRC and thoroughly track cases of infections.
Note that face masks only have to be good for lowering the infection rate to be useful for slowing down a pandemic.
alphas China's role in this mess can not be ignored. Their first ignoring the problem, then trying to hide it from the world, then trying to blame it on US troops is totally unacceptable. The other casualty in this is the WHO and its director which accepted China's version for so long that the world was slow to take action. The WHO (and its director) have lost their credability and its going to take a major change for it to be trusted again.
Meanwhile you ignore the current occupant of our WH who was calling it a hoax not long ago and dismissing it as no worse than seasonal flu.
charlie hebdo alphas China's role in this mess can not be ignored. Their first ignoring the problem, then trying to hide it from the world, then trying to blame it on US troops is totally unacceptable. The other casualty in this is the WHO and its director which accepted China's version for so long that the world was slow to take action. The WHO (and its director) have lost their credability and its going to take a major change for it to be trusted again. Meanwhile you ignore the current occupant of our WH who was calling it a hoax not long ago and dismissing it as no worse than seasonal flu.
GERALD L MCFARLANE JR charlie hebdo alphas China's role in this mess can not be ignored. Their first ignoring the problem, then trying to hide it from the world, then trying to blame it on US troops is totally unacceptable. The other casualty in this is the WHO and its director which accepted China's version for so long that the world was slow to take action. The WHO (and its director) have lost their credability and its going to take a major change for it to be trusted again. Meanwhile you ignore the current occupant of our WH who was calling it a hoax not long ago and dismissing it as no worse than seasonal flu. The problem with your statement is that it is no worse than the seasonal flu, which on a percentage basis kills more people than COVID-19 does and will, and that's from the CDC's own statistics. By all means protect those that are most suscpetible, but let the rest of go on about our daily lives normally, it's not going to hurt the vast majority of civilians(who by the way won't need hospitalization either).
Another problem with Charlie's statement is that the "current occupant of our WH" did not call it a hoax.
What's more, Charlie knows it.
York1 John
I asked my doctor if I gave up delicious food and all alcohol, would I live longer? He said, "No, but it will seem longer."
675 new deaths just this morning in Italy. 470 new deaths yesterday in Italy. It's not about you, it's about everyone you come into contact with.
BaltACDOnce upon a time hospitals were viewed as altruistic organizations - dedicated to the health of their patients. Now they are totally for profit entities and with much of today's diagnostic equipment running in the seven and eight figure price tag to acquire there is no pretense of being altruistic. To be competitive in the hospital marketplace each hospital has to have the latest in diagnostic equipment - those that determine they can't afford the equipment cease to exist.
I agree completely. But if this thing lasts the 18 months that some predict, and if local resources become overloaded, and this hospital does not "ramp up" ....I predict they will have a public relations dilemma to answer for.....
York1Another problem with Charlie's statement is that the "current occupant of our WH" did not call it a hoax. What's more, Charlie knows it.
Only if Fox News is your source.
GERALD L MCFARLANE JRBy all means protect those that are most suscpetible, but let the rest of go on about our daily lives normally, it's not going to hurt the vast majority of civilians(who by the way won't need hospitalization either).
I'm actually glad the the government is making that decision for the people who are too self absorbed to realize the threat they would pose to the vulnerable people around them is unacceptable.
And I am normally very anti-authority, and anti-government....but on this issue they have my full support.
BaltACD York1 Another problem with Charlie's statement is that the "current occupant of our WH" did not call it a hoax. What's more, Charlie knows it. Only if Fox News is your source.
York1 Another problem with Charlie's statement is that the "current occupant of our WH" did not call it a hoax. What's more, Charlie knows it.
I don't know what FOX News says about this. I don't watch it.
However, I have read these, and many more:
1. "What's False Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/
2. "President Donald Trump slammed Democrats for the way they are reacting to the coronavirus threat, saying that their criticism of his administration’s handling of the outbreak is “their new hoax.”
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/02/trump-slams-democrats-
3. "President Trump says that Democrats are using the virulent coronavirus as a “hoax” to damage him and his administration."
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/trump-says-the-coronavirus-is-the-democrats-new-hoax.html
There are a lot more sources for this.
Several days ago, Charlie posted this:
charlie hebdoYour last post is about religion and is also a blatant political statement as should be obvious to all.
Yet he continues to post blatant political statements himself.
People are sick. People are dying. Businesses are closing. Workers are being laid off.
Maybe it's time to put away the blatant political statements for now, and talk about them when this is all over.
"I haven't touched my face in weeks. Been weeks. I miss it!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e2Nwey00rc
I hope he was just joking, but considering the size of his ego I'm not sure.
Well, he is a stable genius and now is a medical expert. Maybe we just need more covfefe on our hamburders.
But, b'jaysus, that man has the weirdest hair I've ever seen!
York 1 states: " Maybe it's time to put away the blatant political statements for now, and talk about them when this is all over."
These are wise and decent words.
It's important but obviously people here cannot seem to stop getting in a hit on your President. It's shameful given the circumstances.
Thanks York 1.. respect to you.
No, it's hilarious. Gotta find some humour even in the darkest of times.
Trump called it a hoax several times on TV. It's not politics. It's a public health crisis.
York1 BaltACD York1 Another problem with Charlie's statement is that the "current occupant of our WH" did not call it a hoax. What's more, Charlie knows it. Only if Fox News is your source. I don't know what FOX News says about this. I don't watch it. However, I have read these, and many more: 1. "What's False Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax." https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/ 2. "President Donald Trump slammed Democrats for the way they are reacting to the coronavirus threat, saying that their criticism of his administration’s handling of the outbreak is “their new hoax.” https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/02/trump-slams-democrats- 3. "President Trump says that Democrats are using the virulent coronavirus as a “hoax” to damage him and his administration." https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/trump-says-the-coronavirus-is-the-democrats-new-hoax.html There are a lot more sources for this. Several days ago, Charlie posted this: charlie hebdo Your last post is about religion and is also a blatant political statement as should be obvious to all. Yet he continues to post blatant political statements himself. People are sick. People are dying. Businesses are closing. Workers are being laid off. Maybe it's time to put away the blatant political statements for now, and talk about them when this is all over.
charlie hebdo Your last post is about religion and is also a blatant political statement as should be obvious to all.
Johnny
This is the game rightists such as Hannity play.
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/3/20/21186727/hannity-coronavirus-coverage-fox-news
And from Trump at a rally in South Carolina:
https://www.vox.com/2020/2/29/21159294/trump-coronavirus-hoax-south-carolina-first-death
But for a few days at least, Trump has changed his tone a little, following advice of his consultants, Shirley still blaming this on previous administrations today. The Big Lie of Dr. Goebbels in action.
charlie hebdo Trump called it a hoax several times on TV. It's not politics. It's a public health crisis.
Trump also closed down travel between the U.S. and China despite the protestations of the WHO and others. Trump is certainly not above reproach for his handling of the COVID-19 situation, but his critics are no better.
A crowded passenger train is not the place to be while in the middle of a pandemic, though the same is true of a crowded bus or airliner.
Convicted One GERALD L MCFARLANE JR By all means protect those that are most suscpetible, but let the rest of go on about our daily lives normally, it's not going to hurt the vast majority of civilians(who by the way won't need hospitalization either). I'm actually glad the the government is making that decision for the people who are too self absorbed to realize the threat they would pose to the vulnerable people around them is unacceptable. And I am normally very anti-authority, and anti-government....but on this issue they have my full support.
GERALD L MCFARLANE JR By all means protect those that are most suscpetible, but let the rest of go on about our daily lives normally, it's not going to hurt the vast majority of civilians(who by the way won't need hospitalization either).
Deggesty York1 BaltACD York1 Another problem with Charlie's statement is that the "current occupant of our WH" did not call it a hoax.What's more, Charlie knows it. Only if Fox News is your source. I don't know what FOX News says about this. I don't watch it. However, I have read these, and many more: 1. "What's False Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax." https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/ 2. "President Donald Trump slammed Democrats for the way they are reacting to the coronavirus threat, saying that their criticism of his administration’s handling of the outbreak is “their new hoax.” https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/02/trump-slams-democrats- 3. "President Trump says that Democrats are using the virulent coronavirus as a “hoax” to damage him and his administration." https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/trump-says-the-coronavirus-is-the-democrats-new-hoax.html There are a lot more sources for this. Several days ago, Charlie posted this: charlie hebdo Your last post is about religion and is also a blatant political statement as should be obvious to all. Yet he continues to post blatant political statements himself. People are sick. People are dying. Businesses are closing. Workers are being laid off. Maybe it's time to put away the blatant political statements for now, and talk about them when this is all over. Thank you, York 1.
York1
BaltACD
Another problem with Charlie's statement is that the "current occupant of our WH" did not call it a hoax.What's more, Charlie knows it.
Only if Fox News is your source. I don't know what FOX News says about this. I don't watch it. However, I have read these, and many more: 1. "What's False Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax." https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/ 2. "President Donald Trump slammed Democrats for the way they are reacting to the coronavirus threat, saying that their criticism of his administration’s handling of the outbreak is “their new hoax.” https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/02/trump-slams-democrats- 3. "President Trump says that Democrats are using the virulent coronavirus as a “hoax” to damage him and his administration." https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/trump-says-the-coronavirus-is-the-democrats-new-hoax.html There are a lot more sources for this. Several days ago, Charlie posted this: charlie hebdo Your last post is about religion and is also a blatant political statement as should be obvious to all. Yet he continues to post blatant political statements himself. People are sick. People are dying. Businesses are closing. Workers are being laid off. Maybe it's time to put away the blatant political statements for now, and talk about them when this is all over.
Thank you, York 1.
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