An Over-reaction?

[daveklepper]

Joseph Navon obtained the railroad charfer in 1888.

[charlie hebdo]

Facts

https://time.com/4084301/hitler-grand-mufi-1941/

[Overmod]

In non-politicized non-Godwin return to the subject of this thread, finally we have someone thinking about addressing interleukin-6 levels, albeit far too late and via a relatively uncontrolled method.  Remember you read about the desirability of knocking down excessive Il-6 here, months ago.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.29.20117358v1

Predictable responses include that the study is not peer-reviewed, is not double-blind, has too small a sample size, etc. -- all of which are legitimate concerns.  On the other hand this is less of a 'surprise' therapy than the use of functional protease inhibitors in AIDS treatment was, and experience into induced cytokine storm (some of which is cryptically cited right in the abstract) now almost a decade long, so I think the validity of both the study and its conclusions carry some weight. 
Note that the paper has an open comments link, as a first approximation of proper careful peer review, and I encourage those with any scientifically-valid concerns to voice them there.  I suspect the final version for publication will incorporate response to these comments.

 

[daveklepper]

I never wrote or said what Netanayhu said.  But the conversation does prove that the Mufti, like Hitler, wished to murder all Jews.  The "Islam" of the P LO, PA, Hamas Today.   The Mufti began his correspondance with Hitler in 1923.

Turning back to the original topic, Tuesday evening my rergular 48 bus just failed completely to show up.  Got to the bus stop with ten minutes to spare, waited 35 minutes, used my cellphone to call a taxi, gladly paid the 40 Sheckels (about 12 or 13 dollars), and used the Arab bus - light rail - Egged 52 bus combination both yesterday and this evening.  But the Arab bus is still cash.  And this evedning before I boarded ther 52, the 48 did show up empty at the end of its run, showing that I could have used it.  Tomorrow is Sabbath eve, and I'll stay at the Yeshiva.  The 48 doesn't run Sat. eve.  Sun evening, I'll have to decide if I can to trust the 48 to show up for cashless travel.

[daveklepper]

Charlie, please don't comment on the inter-Semitic quarel anymore on thios website.  I have to answer you and others chiming in, and this is a diversion of the website's purpose.  If you must, you should only do so after reading the Koran's Surahs 5-20+21, 7-137, and 10-93.`

[zugmann]

Sometimes the irony gets lost on here. 

[Convicted One]

daveklepper

I find I did not respond completely to Convicted's "parallels with Hitler accusation."

You mention that your bias is in service to your survival.

Who here on these boards threatens your survival sufficient to justify your continually pandering to the holocaust?

I've been reading your posts for a number of years and just about any time someone mentions a topic that is not 100% supportive of Israel, you invariably dredge up references to Nazi Germany. I don't think that doing so is fair, to any of the parties involved. 

Not all opponents of zionism are throwbacks to the 1940s.

 

[daveklepper]

Because Hamas - PLO - PA leaders do say they want to kill (messages to their own people) me and your "not 100% supportive" are actually attacks, usually involving distortions of facts, devorced from reality.

And thank the Eternal that nearly all  Arab Muslems I meet don't listen to the PLO - PA  - Hamas leaders and are very decent people.

If you don't want me to comment than stop making accusations.

Answer to an accusation:  I did not mention China's mishandling of the virus to divert attention from Trump's mistakes as Charlie accused me.

And I defend myself and Israel's overall responses, not remark of Netanyahu.

And you should read the Koran's Surahs 5-20+21, 7-137, and 10-93.

To oppose Zionism today is to say that Israel should not exist, meaning our slaughter.  

 

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[charlie hebdo]

daveklepper

Charlie, please don't comment on the inter-Semitic quarel anymore on thios website.  I have to answer you and others chiming in, and this is a diversion of the website's purpose.  If you must, you should only do so after reading the Koran's Surahs 5-20+21, 7-137, and 10-93.`

 

Then stop making posts that pretend  as though everything Bibi and Israel do is justified by the Holocaust.  And Bibi is your leader, not some fringe kook.  There are plenty of Jews in Israel and here and Haaretz who see things very differently.  But they get attacked as followers of Marx or self-loathing Jews by those who disagree. 

[daveklepper]

Another accusation that is not true.  I also disagree with Bibi on some matters and agree with him on others.  And I don't attack people just bvecause they don't agree with Bibi.  It depends on the specific matter.

And there  are Jewish and non-Jewish anti-Zionists who don't  wish to face how lethal the intentions of ther PLO - PA - Hamas leaders are.    They just won't read what these leaders say to their own public.

 

And maybe the Times in trhe end was wrong and Bibi right.  Maybe

 Without the Mufti most Arabs would have continued to welcome Jewish immigration, and maybe the gates of the Holy Land would have been kept open and most Europoean Jews could have fled to Israel.   Maybe that is what Netanyahu meant, and the Times misinterpreted his remark?

[charlie hebdo]

Since you said what I said wasn't true, which part was that? Can you be more specific?

[daveklepper]

I don't always agree with Bibi or what Israel does..   I defend myself.  This website vis not intended to be the Forum for the Semitic family quarrel;.  So why do YOU, not me, comntinuallky bring  it up?

Quoting you:

"Then stop making posts preternding everyrthing Bibi and Israel do....", ifv

Again. stop accusing me and I won't have to upset ypu or Convicted by my replies.

I don't base my replies on the Holocaust.  I base them on the what PLO, PA. and Hamas leaders teach and tell their people to promote a holocaust now.  The religion of the Mufti.

[243129]

daveklepper

This website vis not intended to be the Forum for the Semitic family quarrel;. So why do YOU, not me, comntinuallky bring it up?

It seems that it is you who is continually bringing up Israel in these threads.

[daveklepper]

Another false accusation.   Go and review all my posts on this subject, and you will find that every one is a response to an accusation.  Granted, I sometimes leave something out in a response and then return usually within a few minutes or the hour to add an additional comment.  But I never ever initiated a discussion of this matter on any thread on this website, and you can check and see for yourself.

[daveklepper]

Discussing possible future railroad connections is a different matter entirely.  That I may have initiated.

And I do try to answer sll accusations thoroughly, which often does take space.

[charlie hebdo]

daveklepper

I don't always agree with Bibi or what Israel does..   I defend myself.  This website vis not intended to be the Forum for the Semitic family quarrel;.  So why do YOU, not me, comntinuallky bring  it up?

Quoting you:

"Then stop making posts preternding everyrthing Bibi and Israel does.....", ifv

Again. stop accusing me and I won't have to upset ypu or Convicted by my replies.

I don't base my replies on the Holocaust.  I base them on the what PLO, PA. and Hamas leaders teach and tell their people to promote a holocaust now.  The religion of the Mufti.

 

Stop making false quotes of what I posted. If you are incapable of accurately cutting and pasting,  then don't.

[GERALD L MCFARLANE JR]

Flintlock76

 daveklepper

The policeman thought the cellphone was a gun and that his li.fe waS IN DAnger  

 

 

They haven't been imported to this country since their configuration makes them automatically illegal, but there have been handguns made overseas disguised as cell phones for quite a while now.  American law enforcement personnel have been warned about them for years, just in case some come in "under the radar."  

I'd like to make a correction to your statement, not all cell phone guns are illegal in the U.S., you can buy them online.  They're just like pen guns and if they're illegal it's on a state by state basis, not nationally.

[daveklepper]

I answered you by copying what you wrote.   Please check again.  Admittadly, I simply wished to point out the specific sentence and did not copy it completely, just the first part.

Your first attack on me on this particiular thread was at the bottom of page seven regarding the China issue.  You were supported in your falsehood by a another poster on page 8, but a third poster defended my point of view.

I did not respond to your falsehood until page 15 or 16, and then you attacked me for using data obtained by Gatestone which you labeled as a far-right anti-Islam organization because Georgetown University labels Gatestone as such.  This is what started the continuing argument, and can we just leave it that: You agree with Georgetown U.  and share their view of the conflict, and I do not agree with their point of view and believe it promotes terrorism.  Georgetown maintains generally that Israelis are colonialists and the Arab Muslims thus have a prior right to the land.   I do not expect you and those that support you and Georgetown to adopt my point of view, and hope we can drop the matter entirely, with you not expecting me to adopt Georgetown's point of view and yours.   And I mean entirely.

[CMStPnP]

OK folks this thread is out of control again, can we get it back on the Trains topic.   I try to come here for relaxation.   I actually do want to know more about railroading in the Middle Eastern countries as we do not get enough via regular news outlets on that.

I save this discussion for the CONFLICT OF NATIONS internet game (heh-heh) where it belongs.    Look me up sometime there my screen name is JAN_FONDA.  Usually the guy with the B-2 Stealth Bomber Wings and Gerald Ford Class Aircraft Carriers.......that everyone pleads for mercy from.

[Flintlock76]

Just a slight correction to your correction Gerald.

First, is this what you're talking about?

http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cell-phone-pistol-alert/  

If so, I stand corrected, I wasn't aware of this.

However, YOU, or me, or anyone else can't order them on-line unless you're a Federally licensed gun dealer.  One can't order ANY gun on-line without Federal Firearms License, dealer variety, unless it's an antique, a replica of same (depending on state and local laws) or one listed as a "Curio or Relic" by the BATF, again depending on local laws.  As far as guns are concerned local laws always take precedence over Federal if they're the stricter of the two. 

In addition to which, the seller needs a "hard copy" of your FFL on file before he can send you the firearm.

So don't worry, the basement-dwelling gnome in pajamas who spends his days glued to the 'Net can't just order one because he wants one. 

Aside from that, no problem with your post. 

 

[54light15]

So- I can't order a Mannlicher-Carcano 91/38 for $19.95? 

[Flintlock76]

54light15

So- I can't order a Mannlicher-Carcano 91/38 for $19.95? 

 

Nope, not since the 60's!  

PS:  Would you even want one?  I wouldn't!   Maybe a straight M1891 Mannlicher-Carcano like my grandfather carried in the First World War, but not the 91/38 variant.  

[charlie hebdo]

Dave K: I'll drop it if you will refrain from labeling the opinions RE today's Israel of myself and many others as falsehoods.  You are entitled to have your opinion.

[daveklepper]

Correcting the things I accused you of falsehoods, I did not intend to accuse You of falsehoods regarding opinions on Israel.  Falsehood corrections:

 

I do not rush to defend  Netanyahu.  In fact I disagree with him on specific issues.  I only defend myself and the right of Israel to exist in peace within secure borders.

 

I did not bring up the China’s hold-back on information to obscure Trump’s mistakes.  I was as concerned with Trump’s mistakes as much as you and others are.

 

That should take care of the falsehood matter completely.  I may have disagreed with you on other matters, but I believe I stopped short of accusing you of falsehood.  If I did accuse you of falsehood on any matter than the two above, I hereby apologize.

 

Regarding opinions on Israel, I won’t bring up any arguments if you won’t.  I meant entirely.  But should you wish a polite and informative discussion, you are welcome to contact me at [e-mail].  But first read the Koran Surahs 5-20+21. 7-137, and 10-93, and then do you best to learn what PLO, PA, and Hamas leaders teach their students and people in general.  One possible source may be Palwatch.

 

The number of coronavirus cases in Israel is exponentially growing. Over the weekend, between 7 p.m. Thursday and the same time Saturday, some 257 people were diagnosed with COVID-19. Among the newly infected are seven residents of a senior living facility in Or Yehuda.

 “We do not know the extent of this eruption,” said outgoing Health Ministry director-general Moshe Bar Siman Tov during recent internal deliberations, according to the Hebrew media site N12. He said that the number of coronavirus cases continues to expand and that “it will take time until we understand the extent” of the challenge.

 

Three more people died over the weekend, bringing the total to 295. Of the 2,407 active cases, some 21 are intubated.   (DLK:  Not reported here, but there are far far more people recovered.   I would estimate well over 6000.)

 

However, it should be noted that the number of people being tested for the virus has nearly tripled. The Health Ministry reported that more than 16,160 people were tested on Friday and more than 7,000 on Saturday by 7:30 p.m., with the expectation that more people would be screened by midnight.

The increased screening comes on the backdrop of a change in testing policy, rolled out by newly appointed Health Minister Yuli Edelstein. Now, people with or without coronavirus symptoms can request screening.

Previously, testing was designated for those who were in quarantine and showed symptoms. For asymptomatic cases, people were eligible to be tested only if they had stayed in the vicinity of a confirmed coronavirus patient for more than 15 minutes or had returned from a country with a high rate of infections.

Although there are more patients, the increased testing rate means that still only around 1% of those tested are found to have coronavirus. Experts believe that if Israel maintains an infection rate of one to less than one, restrictions can continue to be lifted. If the rate hits even 1:1.1 or 1:1.2, then another lockdown could be necessary.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on May 4 that if Israel saw more than 100 new patients per day that a lockdown could be reinstated, but no such move has been made thus far.

The main source of infection still appears to be the schools, although new reports of coronavirus inside senior living centers have also started to emerge.

Seven residents and three staff members from a senior living facility in Or Yehuda were diagnosed with coronavirus over the weekend, including one resident who was hospitalized at Sheba Medical Center, Tel Hashomer.

One of the caregivers tested positive at the beginning of last week and was placed in isolation at a coronavirus hotel. Residents and staff were immediately tested, but the results were negative. Follow-up testing at the end of the week revealed the positive results.

Six residents have mild symptoms and were transferred to geriatric medical centers. Two caregivers are being treated at coronavirus hotels and a third is being treated at home, the Health Ministry said.

The cases were caught quickly due to the country’s Magen Avot v’Imahot program, which focuses on testing senior caregivers on a regular basis. The plan was designed by Ronni Gamzu, the CEO of Tel Aviv Sourasky Medical Center, and is not being managed by Prof. Nimrod Maimon.

“We immediately followed all the rules, including isolating the residents and ensuring they are not in contact with other patients,” the nursing home said in a statement.

The center is said it is working closely with representatives from the Health Ministry and working hard to protect the residents, including cleaning, and disinfecting the facility.

Last week, at a Knesset Coronavirus Committee meeting, Health Ministry deputy director-general Itamar Grotto confirmed that the Magen Avot v’Imahot was in full swing and that as many as 3,000 caregivers and residents were being screened daily.

As for the schools, the Education Ministry is reporting 330 students and faculty who are sick with coronavirus as of Saturday night and some 16,327 who are in isolation. Some 106 institutions are closed.

According to the ministry, 99% of schools continue to operate normally and the number of closed institutions is only 0.42%.

The majority (56%) of cases are in Jerusalem, the ministry said, among them 80% from the Gymnasia Rehavia school.

However, Jerusalem is not the only area with coronavirus cases, the Health Ministry showed. A report published late Thursday showed spikes in more than 10 cities across Israel.

The top 10 are Jerusalem (53 in three days); Tel Aviv (25); Beersheba (17); Bnei Brak (15); Ashdod (14); Rahat (10); Bat Yam (9); Ar’ara, Migdal Haemek, Modi’in Illit, Sderot (7) and Holon (6).

“Until a vaccine is found, we will have to focus on the ‘coronavirus routine,’” Alternative Prime Minister Benny Gantz posted on his Facebook page on Friday. “We must not tell ourselves stories or legends – we must act responsibly.”

He wrote that the economy and education system must remain open and that the government must act quickly when infection is found.

“Our motto is to live with corona not under it,” he wrote. “We will continue to work hard to restore the coronavirus’ damage and its social and economic impact on Israeli citizens. This is our commitment.”

 

[Overmod]

daveklepper

do you best to learn what PLO, PA, and Hamas leaders teach their students and people in general.  One possible source may be Palwatch.

I'll be very, very charitable here and say that when Itamar Marcus provides an investigative-journalism site describing all the issues with Israeli attitudes toward Palestinians I will start to believe that anything on Palwatch is better than self-serving propaganda.  (Of course even propaganda can be of value in 'becoming aware' of issues and circumstances deserving further research, but objectivity and truth regarding anything large numbers of Palestinians might actually believe... or experience... certainly won't be derivable from such a source.)

While I certainly enjoy reading about Israeli railroading, and personally about Israeli responses to coronavirus, I don't see why I or anyone else here have to stand for political discussions of precisely the kind that the TOS forbids for precisely the reasons now being demonstrated.  They certainly have no further place in this particular thread going forward ... whether provoked or otherwise, whether trolled or not.  And I'm not saying that out of any pretense to be the 'forum police', either: we can and should be adult enough to self-regulate around what this forum is designed to facilitate and avoid what it isn't.

[JPS1]

Overmod

.......I don't see why I or anyone else here have to stand for political discussions of precisely the kind that the TOS forbids for precisely the reasons now being demonstrated.  They certainly have no further place in this particular thread going forward ... 

Amen!!!

[daveklepper]

Regarding Palwatch, only one source, and I agree there are others.  One can read what PLO, PA, and Hamas leaders say and do without necessaraily agreeing with the prescriptions of what to do about it.  My own ideas are reserved for personal correspondance.

I have no problem with the previous two postings and agree that further discussions on the ethnic, religious, and political issues are not appropriate for this thread.  And I think Charlie agrees as well.

Apparently, moves to re-open an economy seem to reverse the downward infection rate, but the lesson seems to be not to panic but take particular steps to control the spike in the specific locations and institutions where it occurs.  At least that is the message I get, and I wonder if others agree.

 

[BaltACD]

What we are witnessing all across America has been caused by a lack of Vetting, Training and Supervision among the Police forces of the USA.

Vetting, Training, Supervision does not only apply to Amtrak - it applies to every form of human undertaking where the actions of a single individual have the power to affect many - directly or indirectly.  

We are seeing policing organizations that say their job is to 'Protect and Serve' acting as if their mission is to 'Dominate and Destroy'.  There is little wonder why the nation is in termoil over the death of George Floyd.

[Convicted One]

Flintlock76

So don't worry, the basement-dwelling gnome in pajamas who spends his days glued to the 'Net can't just order one because he wants one. 

I've got a belt buckle that offers unique benefits.

[Euclid]

daveklepper

Apparently, moves to re-open an economy seem to reverse the downward infection rate, but the lesson seems to be not to panic but take particular steps to control the spike in the specific locations and institutions where it occurs.  At least that is the message I get, and I wonder if others agree.

Regarding the state of the pandemic and its trends,  I don't get any clear message at all.  The only message I get is this is not over yet, and if it seems to be ending, there will surely be another unsolvable problem ready to replace it.