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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, May 23, 2015 10:35 AM

Someone mentioned "Emperor of the North" with Lee Marvin and Ernest Borgnine?

I've seen it, it's a great train movie, but I've only watched it once.  Borgnines portrayal of "Shack" the conductor is so terrifying I just don't WANT to watch it again.

Ironic, because those who knew him said Ernest Borgnine was one of the nicest people you'd ever want to meet, a real prince.  Shows what a good actor he was!

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Posted by Convicted One on Saturday, May 23, 2015 9:55 AM

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What you've got here is a group of fairly knowledgeable railroad folks complaining because they are more knowledgable than the skript writers even cared to be, because they were making a movie for mass consumption, and needed a STORY more than they needed accuracy..

 

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Posted by cacole on Friday, May 22, 2015 8:29 PM

Atomic Train is available on You Tube.

 

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Posted by cv_acr on Monday, May 18, 2015 4:08 PM

I enjoyed Atomic Train when it first came out because, well, it had trains in it and I was young and didn't know any better about the details then, although I still knew there was a bunch wrong, there always is. I just enjoyed watching the trains.

We taped it on VHS when it was aired on TV, although it aired in two parts and the second part didn't record properly. Oh well, that was after the derailment, so the train watching parts were over then...

I haven't seen it since.

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Posted by vsmith on Monday, May 18, 2015 9:45 AM
ATOMIC TRAIN

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Posted by M636C on Sunday, May 17, 2015 11:36 PM

Was Stephen Seagal in "Atomic Train?"

He WAS in "Under Siege II" which used a set of cars modified by Colorado Railcar from SP gallery cars to look a bit like Superliners, and had "stunt hatches" to allow people to climb over the outside of the train.

That wasn't really accurate either, and obviously used models for the final scene.

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Posted by MikeF90 on Sunday, May 17, 2015 8:28 PM

Just had to look this one up. Yup, definitely a "it's so bad, it's good" feature. An NBC Studios made-for-TV movie starring an all-star cast and some script writers who should be very, very ashamed. 

The IMDB link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0144039/

PLENTY of clips on YouTube, for starters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBm6ZdBkHGc (trailer)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuyUoELEBeo (great scenery)

Looks like NBC sold it to outlets in Sweden, Germany, etc.

Uh, oh, available on Amazon for $58, four copies left today:

http://www.amazon.com/Atomic-Train-Rob-Lowe/dp/1573626732/ref=sr_1_1

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Posted by tree68 on Sunday, May 17, 2015 5:40 PM

Holy resurrected from the sub-sub-basement!

For the Record - BCR 642, which was used in the subject movie, is currently working in Utica, NY on MWHA, numbered 2042.  Saw it last week...

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Posted by Union Pacific 3985 on Sunday, May 17, 2015 5:49 AM

adrianspeeder you're not alone.  since I watched with my dad 12 years ago when I was six years old, I loved Atomic Train.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 9:13 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98

QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates

**Atomic Train was the most embarrasing movie with a railroad theme that I have had the displeasure of witnessing, **

Hey, did any of you guys see "War of the Worlds"? I got news for ya,...flying saucers don't fly like that, If you saw 'Beverly Hills Cop" - cops really aren't that clever (or dedicated) and if you saw "Bad Santa" well I hate to tell you this,.. but there ain't no such thing as santy claus...

IT's HOLLYWOOD we are talking about here...they've been known to stretch the truth for a storyline a few thousand times before... lighten up..
war of the worlds where not flying saucers..they where ground attact mechines...and if thier is life out thier in the deep cold darkness of space..thier is nothing saying that some other alien race dosnt have war mechines that look like that....lol
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Well man, I worked for a property management firm whose specialty was hi-rise office buildings,...and the movie "Towering inferno" was just as crammed full of inaccuracies...I've known airline pilots personally, and they assure me that "auto-pilots" are not inflatable manform balloons as in the movie "Airplane", and does ANYBODY think christopher reeves could patch himself in with his leg, backbone and shoulder as a missing section of rail in the movie "Superman"? (gee, if he's so tough I wonder how they got the spikes hammered into the ties without bending them?) etc.

What you've got here is a group of fairly knowledgeable railroad folks complaining because they are more knowledgable than the skript writers even cared to be, because they were making a movie for mass consumption, and needed a STORY more than they needed accuracy..

If Accuracy was important to Hollywood they sure as heck could have afforded a consultant infinitely more knowledgeable than all the naysayers thusfar in this thread, combined.
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Posted by mustanggt on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 8:13 PM
Almost all train movies may suck, but video/PC games featuring them are at least slghtly better. Grand theft auto san andreas comes to mind, the only exception is that doors on engines in the game open on the sides like car doors- not front and back like on a real SD40/40-2/ whatever. still cool that they put drivable trains in the game[8D]

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Posted by csxengineer98 on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 7:12 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

If there's life out there in the deep dark cold darkness of space....there nothing saying that some other alien race doesn't have trains that operate like the ones in Atomic Train.[;)]
true..but i think the universal laws of physics wouldnt alow it...lol... since they tossed out all the physical laws regarding train dynmaics when makeing atomic train...the only way an "intelligent" race of ETs would be able to pull it off would be if it was bizzaro world...lol
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Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 6:04 PM
If there's life out there in the deep dark cold darkness of space....there nothing saying that some other alien race doesn't have trains that operate like the ones in Atomic Train.[;)]

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Posted by csxengineer98 on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:48 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates

**Atomic Train was the most embarrasing movie with a railroad theme that I have had the displeasure of witnessing, **

Hey, did any of you guys see "War of the Worlds"? I got news for ya,...flying saucers don't fly like that, If you saw 'Beverly Hills Cop" - cops really aren't that clever (or dedicated) and if you saw "Bad Santa" well I hate to tell you this,.. but there ain't no such thing as santy claus...

IT's HOLLYWOOD we are talking about here...they've been known to stretch the truth for a storyline a few thousand times before... lighten up..
war of the worlds where not flying saucers..they where ground attact mechines...and if thier is life out thier in the deep cold darkness of space..thier is nothing saying that some other alien race dosnt have war mechines that look like that....lol
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:18 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith



Are you referring to the 1950's version of WotW or the new one where Tom Cruise cruise tries to defeat the aliens by converting them to Scientology...[;)]



heh, now THAT would be a novel twist to the plot [8)]


I dunno man, I've seen hollywood murder the truth so often, it almost seems comical to see folks "calling out" hollywood for the inaccuracies of a movie.

"IT" is "WHAT" hollywood does for a living, yanno? they are in the fantasy business.

Just like Dorothy said to toto: "those munchkins in west hollywood seemed kinda masculine to be women, something tells me we're not in kansas anymore"..
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Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:42 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates
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Hey, did any of you guys see "War of the Worlds"? I got news for ya,...flying saucers don't fly like that, ....


Sorry I lost my tickets to the annual Area 51Airshow last weekend so I missed the flying saucer flyby..can you tell me just how does a flying saucer fly [?]

Ah ha! I already know the answer, they fly just like Santa Claus....[;)]

Are you referring to the 1950's version of WotW or the new one where Tom Cruise cruise tries to defeat the aliens by converting them to Scientology...[;)]

I thought the 50's version was outstanding given its time and place, and the explaination of what supports the Martian war machines (there NOT flying saucers as they dont "fly") was scientificly plausable, at least far more plausable than the stuff of contemporary or even later sci fi storylines.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:28 AM
I remember watching Atomic Train on TV. Undeniably, the single worst train movie of all time. Period. When I was watching it, there was some guy who was "hosting" the movie and made brief appearances before and after commercial breaks. In one of these appearances, he said that in the past, Rob Lowe had written a screenplay about railroads and that as a result, knew more about trains than anyone else working on the movie. Considering how it turned out, that knowledge must have been extremely limited. A six-year-old that's into Thomas The Tank Engine probably knows more about trains than whoever wrote the script for this stinker.

There is one scene from that movie that sticks in my mind. In it, some big general and other guys grom the Pentagon are going to see the dispatcher to discuss the situation. The dispatcher is sitting at the CTC board when the general and guys come in. The dialogue goes like this:

Dispatcher: Know anything about trains, general?

General: (Trying really hard to do a Jack Nicholson "You can't handle the truth" voice.) They run on tracks, don't they?

Dispatcher: (Pauses. Then looks away, speaking slowly with fear.) On good days...

QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe


I think there was also a Hogans Heroes episode to that effect, but I am barely old enough to remember it.

Bottom line, it is no more cool to blow up a bridge with a train with a crew on it than it is to blow up a bridge with cars and drivers on it.

As a big fan of Hogan's Heroes, I'd like to just set the record straight about some things. There are numerous episodes of the show that involve the heroes blowing up trains (they also blew up many factories, etc.). The messge here is not that it's really cool to blow stuff up for fun. They're fighting a war and there are reasons for doing this. In war, there are many casualties. It's not pretty, but it's a fact of life. Sure, it is very sad that the train crew was probably killed. But, you also have to think of the fact that the train was carrying vital supplies and ammunition for the German war effort that, if delivered, certainly wouldn't have been very good for the Allies and would have probably led to many thousands of deaths. The importance of railroads on both sides during WWII cannot be overestimated. On bombing missions, railway yards were always high-priority targets. People involved in the Resitance Movement performed many tasks simmilar to those on Hogan's Heroes and certainly blew up many trains. These people risked their own lives doing this and in doing so helped win the war.

But, I also have to say that Hogan's Heroes was definitely not very accurate when it came to showing trains. I can think of only one episode where a German train is actually shown. A couple of times, a Lima Berkshire was shown (at night). The most common train footage used was of a train (also at night) that I think might be Australian (hard to tell), but certainly wasn't German, anyway. The worst was one episode where they used footage of an SP GS-4 in broad daylight! Whenever a train was blown up, they used the same footge of what is definetly a North American train getting blown to bits.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:03 AM
**Atomic Train was the most embarrasing movie with a railroad theme that I have had the displeasure of witnessing, **

Hey, did any of you guys see "War of the Worlds"? I got news for ya,...flying saucers don't fly like that, If you saw 'Beverly Hills Cop" - cops really aren't that clever (or dedicated) and if you saw "Bad Santa" well I hate to tell you this,.. but there ain't no such thing as santy claus...

IT's HOLLYWOOD we are talking about here...they've been known to stretch the truth for a storyline a few thousand times before... lighten up..
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Posted by spbed on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 7:53 AM
Amazon or Blockbuster should be of some assistance. [:o)]

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Posted by BentnoseWillie on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 6:49 AM
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I thought those were Bombider first time I saw those but thanks for the infio.
They are - sort of. Bombardier purchased MLW around 1980 and the M420 became the HR412 with minor carbody changes. CN's M420s and HR412s were numbered in a common series.

BTW, these locomotives are not equipped with dynamic braking. That's about the only thing the movie got right, no doubt by accident. Hearing reporters try to get their heads around dynamic braking in discussions of hybrid or stright electric cars is always good for a snicker. [:)]
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Posted by Rustyrex on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 1:15 AM
Atomic Train was the most embarrasing movie with a railroad theme that I have had the displeasure of witnessing, although the errors are so glaring to someone with railroad experience, It made me actually sit and watch, and drive my wife up the wall pointing all them out.[:D].
Emperor of the North, on the other hand, was very enjoyable, to the point my late father, who worked as a brakeman then conductor for 38 years starting in 1944, got me to see this movie as he really liked it. I too hope to see this again someday and on DVD.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 27, 2005 11:41 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

QUOTE: Originally posted by jarubel

While we are on the subject of great train movies, can someone please tell me why a truly great train movie like "Emperor of the North" or "Emperor of the North Pole" (which was it's original release title" haven't been released on DVD yet?


Emporer of the North, is the correct title, I dont know where this last entry comes from, probably a stupid intern typing in the TV guide listing, thinking the movie was about Santa Claus's attempt at world domination? I dunno.

Why isnt it on DVD? I can think of a 100 movies with the same question, answer? I dunno, too many movies, and the studios will only release so many a year to DVD so we wait while we get more recent crappola issued with great fanfair and advertising, straight into the bargian bin at Wallyworld.[V]

You COULD capture it off a video source when the station airs it to your computer hard disk and make a DVD.

That movie I consider the very best in train films with a story of the conductor against the hobo.

Not to mention authentic equiptment and story line.

Atomic Train should stay buried along with the water filled disco shoes. (Shudders)
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Posted by GP40-2 on Monday, June 27, 2005 10:42 PM
What an freaking horrible movie.

If I remember correctly, wasn't there a scene in the caboose, when the train first lost its brakes, where some sort of fluid was leaking out of the brake pipe. The crew member was mumbling something about brake fluid...
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 27, 2005 8:47 PM
What a brutal movie! All of the guys I worked with at BC Rail were truly embarrassed by the end product. Even grumpy old #1 seniority trainman Clyde Mulhall (the Movie Train Service conductor for this one) was left shaking his head in wonder! For you useless info buffs, you can see Clyde's mug on the X Files episode where a BCR Budd car was blown up at Porteau Cove. He was turning an angle***prior to the explosion scene.

The BC MOT railway inspectors were postively mortified by what took place on their watch. I hope that the regulatory fines that BCR incurred did not outweigh the revenue derived from that Movie Train.

As for the BCR website, CN took the bcrail.com domain name down for good in May.

Now, the only place to find "British Columbia Railway Co." on the web is as follows:

www.bcrproperties.com and then follow the links to BCRC to see what is left.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 27, 2005 6:56 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by BentnoseWillie

The locomotives in those photos are BC Rail M420Ws, a 2000-HP roadswitcher developed in the 1970s by Montreal Locomotive Works (MLW) after Alco went belly-up. CN and BC Rail bought M420Ws new, while Providence and Worcester had M420Rs with trade-in GE trucks. This model was followed after Bombardier purchased MLW by the similar HR412, which CN purchased.

These locomotives have been retired by their original owners; some may be found on various shortlines.

I thought those were Bombider first time I saw those but thanks for the infio.
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Posted by railfan619 on Monday, June 27, 2005 5:49 PM
Yeah I did notice that to and i did note on all trains have hand brakes on every car and even the. Engnies have hand brakes that Rob lowe could have turned to slow or even stop the.Train
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 27, 2005 5:10 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by adrianspeeder



Please don't take this the wrong way, but are you using drugs?

Every other train detail in that movie was wrong!


OK, I agree, but it was 'hollywood' we are talking about,...where fantasy is their funny uncles middle name. I've seen worse stretching of the truth.

But in addition to the issues you brought up, I have a few questions too, lets take a closer look, shall we?

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No brakes when the air hoses are apart....


BINGO, this bothered me too. I missed the first 45- 60 minutes of the movie, and just assumed that the guy blew off all his air with improper applications before I tuned in. I guess you are saying THAT wasn't the case? Then obviously the writer had no clue about how Air brakes work.

QUOTE:
No dynamic braking is attempted....


That occured to me as well, but not all loco's have Dynamics, do they? Are we sure these loco's had DB?


QUOTE: The brakes "burned out" when they finally did catch


I especially thought this was fishy as well. The movie presents the train as having finally gotten the brakes working, slowed the train down, just in time to have the chase engine slam into the back of them, with the inertia of the impact causing the functioning brakes to catastrophically fail. Anybody know if this can even happen? The impression the story gave me was that the inertia transfered from the chase train to the train with brakes applied, caused the applied brakes to "snap", which with a brake system for every axel on the train to fail simultaneously, seemed beyond far fetched

QUOTE: Random piles of sand didn't derail the thing....


Yes, but they weren't real BIG piles of sand

What I kept wondering about was all the manual brake "wheels" I kept seeing on the caboose and on the cars when Rob Lowe took his little excursions.

It seemed to me that with as many guys as they had on the train, they coulds been cranking on some hand wheels, and stopping the train.

Why wouldn't they have been going after the manual hand brakes?

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Posted by csxengineer98 on Monday, June 27, 2005 3:58 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by adrianspeeder

QUOTE: Originally posted by railfan619

I just watched the same movie over the weekend and the movie was released in 1999 and it is one of the better railroad movies of all times. But anyway I was wondering if any one has any ideas where.I might bealbe to get a copy of that movie.


Please don't take this the wrong way, but are you using drugs?

Every other train detail in that movie was wrong!

No brakes when the air hoses are apart....
No dynamic braking is attempted....
The brakes "burned out" when they finally did catch
Random piles of sand didn't derail the thing....
and so many more details I kept the tape just to watch it for laughs.

Easy now gabe, wrong movie.

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the points you picked out are intersting..but actuly a few of them can actualy happen.... the brakes burning off...that can and did happen... do you remember the big crash some years ago in california on caljon pass (sp)...when that pota***rain became a runaway and derailed....the brakes burned off of the train after the engineer places it in emergancey...that happend becouse of term known as friction welding... basicly the heat from the brakes on the wheels of the cars created so much friction that it heated the brakes up to the point where they melted and become taffy and the molten brake shoses didnt do anything to help slow it down... infact becouse they became molten they caused less resistance and the train speed went up....
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Posted by nanaimo73 on Monday, June 27, 2005 3:55 PM
Has anyone ever seen "Ticket to Tomahawk" that was filmed on the Rio Grande Southern ?
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Posted by csxengineer98 on Monday, June 27, 2005 3:43 PM
oh yea..i left out Von-ryans express.... now that is a good movie too....
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