York1 BaltACD Leadership gets the country, all of the country, pulling the in same direction - not pulling itself apart. I wondered why 'all of the country' was so unified before 2017. With all that unity, I'm surprised this adminstration won.
BaltACD Leadership gets the country, all of the country, pulling the in same direction - not pulling itself apart.
I wondered why 'all of the country' was so unified before 2017. With all that unity, I'm surprised this adminstration won.
You'll surely recall that more people voted for the other major candidate.
It's been a great source of both entertainment and shame to watch your great nation crack apart at the seams from my distant northern seat (I have a very morbid sense of humour). What happened in 2016 was a result of this, not a cause.
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jcburns Yeah, York1, it's way easier to do namecalling than it is to do empathy and concern for your fellow humans. Although...you could give it a try? Might feel...refreshing!
Yeah, York1, it's way easier to do namecalling than it is to do empathy and concern for your fellow humans. Although...you could give it a try? Might feel...refreshing!
Name-calling? Did I call anyone a name here? Empathy and concern? You don't even know me.
So you're saying that if I support the present adminstration, then I don't have empathy and concern for my fellow humans?
All right. I'll say the same.
Why don't you have some empathy and concern for your fellow humans? You might feel refreshed instead of the anger you have at the way things are going.
See? It doesn't make any sense when I say it to you, either.
York1 John
I asked my doctor if I gave up delicious food and all alcohol, would I live longer? He said, "No, but it will seem longer."
SD70DudeYou'll surely recall that more people voted for the other major candidate.
And what does that mean?
We're talking unity here. The Democrat got 48% and the Republican got 46% of the total popular vote. The Democrat got 232 votes while the Republican got 306 votes in the Constitutional voting.
Yeah, we were really united.
The "other candidate" in the last election thought they had several states wrapped up and didn't pay any attention to those states. In hindsight, that was not a wise decision, with the result we saw. This has been documented in a book on the topic.
The election was conducted under the rules in effect at the time (and still in effect). The losers have been pushing changing the rules, but it's hard to get an answer if you ask what their reaction would be if the rules were changed and their candidate again loses, but would have won under the old rules...
And it's hard to lead when the less-than-loyal opposition (and their MSM minions) fights you at every turn. This POTUS could say the sky is blue and his opponents would find a way to find fault with the statement.
IMHO, we could have elected a cross between Mr. Rogers and Walter Cronkite and things would have played out exactly the same. This all has little to do with the specific person who was elected and more to do with the political party that person identifies with.
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Having faith in the democratic electoral process is one way we stay united. The results of the 2016 election do not exactly inspire that.
I'm not trying to claim any moral high ground here, our electoral system really isn't any better or fairer, just different.
You are correct that the voting popluation was split down the middle, and no candidate got a majority of the vote. But I've always thought it is a great shame that some votes matter far more than others, both in your system and in ours.
SD70DudeHaving faith in the democratic electoral process is one way we stay united. The results of the 2016 election do not exactly inspire that.
SD70Dude, I appreciate your comments.
I guess I don't feel the same way. The U.S. 2016 election worked exactly the way the original writers and signers of the Constitution designed.
We are a federal system, with power split between states and national government. The election rules were set up to stop the tyranny of the majority.
In this case, the election protected many of the states from being overshadowed by several large population states. That's exactly what the system was designed to do.
Of course, the losers will always complain.
However, it would take 38 states voting to change that system. I can't see that ever happening.
York1 However, it would take 38 states voting to change that system. I can't see that ever happening.
Our federal Liberal Party (centre left) won a majority government in our own 2016 election. One of their campaign promises had been to modify our 'first past the post' election system.
Of course, once in power they found ways to wiggle out of doing this, as the current system served and continues to serve them quite well.
York1 SD70Dude Having faith in the democratic electoral process is one way we stay united. The results of the 2016 election do not exactly inspire that. SD70Dude, I appreciate your comments. I guess I don't feel the same way. The U.S. 2016 election worked exactly the way the original writers and signers of the Constitution designed. We are a federal system, with power split between states and national government. The election rules were set up to stop the tyranny of the majority. In this case, the election protected many of the states from being overshadowed by several large population states. That's exactly what the system was designed to do. Of course, the losers will always complain. However, it would take 38 states voting to change that system. I can't see that ever happening.
SD70Dude Having faith in the democratic electoral process is one way we stay united. The results of the 2016 election do not exactly inspire that.
Yep - cows and grasslands had more votes than people.
The biggest complainer has be he who won!
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
BaltACDYep - cows and grasslands had more votes than people.
Yeah! Cows, grasslands, and 63,000,000 people.
You'll be happy to know that all 200 head of cattle outside voted for the winner.
whatever you distorted MSNBC to = namecalling. You probably learned it from the guy who tweets from the White House. Empathy means doing distancing, wearing a mask, helping those who need it. Making fun of cable news and taking other cheap shots isn't very empathetic in my book. it's a global crisis, it's not football team 1 vs football team 2.
Except for the Russian interference that may well have tipped the Electoral College tally.
BaltACD The biggest complainer has be he who won!
His Twitter account should be nominated for an Emmy.
jcburnswe are all human, and this stuff spreads even in tiny counties, and because the testing is so messed up, we really dont know if Brewster County has infections or not. And if you're asymptomatic, you can still spread it. And you will.
In what way is testing so messed up? Please explain.
jcburnswhatever you distorted MSNBC to = namecalling. You probably learned it from the guy who tweets from the White House. Empathy means doing distancing, wearing a mask, helping those who need it. Making fun of cable news and taking other cheap shots isn't very empathetic in my book. it's a global crisis, it's not football team 1 vs football team 2.
You're joking, right? It's MSNBC and not PMSNBC? OK, I'm guilty of name-calling! (By the way, I don't use Twitter, and I have read very few White House tweets.)
I will tell you that I have social distanced for months, I always wear a mask out in public, and I help others, including prisoners in my local jail whom I counsel. I guess I'm officially empathetic.
Oh, wait! I do make fun of cable news. So, now I guess I'm not empathetic.
I'm getting confused.
I will tell you that this epidemic is big enough and bad enough that we don't need the petty feuding.
We don't need blue print calling it the 'Trump Virus'.
We don't need MSNBC telling us 24 hours-a-day that Trump has caused the deaths of virus patients, and that all of this will go away on November 4 if the right person is elected.
York1 BaltACD Yep - cows and grasslands had more votes than people. Yeah! Cows, grasslands, and 63,000,000 people. You'll be happy to know that all 200 head of cattle outside voted for the winner.
BaltACD Yep - cows and grasslands had more votes than people.
Electoral College rewards cows and grassland disproportionately to people. The cows voted for a loser, in mind, body and spirit.
MSNBC is saying nothing of the kind. If you exaggerate like this, it really makes it difficult to work together on the pandemic and the economy. I personally am stunned that Trump found a way to make this political. It is very simply a global health crisis. It won't go away when the next guy is elected, and by saying that "they" are saying that....aggh, that's just perpetuating a cycle of disinformation. "They" are not calling it the Trump virus...just a few on Twitter are.
We need openness into the system and the problem right now, before November.
BaltACDThe cows voted for a loser, in mind, body and spirit.
Don't tell them that. I won't get any sleep tonight when they start making noise upset at what you said.
jcburnsMSNBC is saying nothing of the kind. If you exaggerate like this, it really makes it difficult to work together on the pandemic and the economy.
You must not be paying attention:
MSNBC Analyst Glenn Kirschner said he believed President Donald Trump was guilty of negligent homicide over his handling of the coronavirus.
https://twitter.com/glennkirschner2/status/1239848289912184832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1239848289912184832%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdailycaller.com%2F2020%2F03%2F17%2Fmsnbc-glenn-kirschner-coronavirus-prosecute-trump-murder%2F
Now what was that about me exaggerating?
And... we've finally hit a post where I don't have a comeback:
jcburnsI personally am stunned that Trump found a way to make this political.
Trump made this political? I'm so stunned I'll ask again, Trump make this political? I'm not sure what to say to you.
jcburns"They" are not calling it the Trump virus
Here you go:
BaltACDMany are not following what the requirements are at present. Certain states are having their Trump Virus come home to roost.
That's it!
This unempathetic, mask-wearing, cow-loving, social-distancing, name-calling clown is going to eat a 4th of July hamburger.
Have a good day, everyone.
I'll check back later to see if I can make any more unempathetic name-calling comments.
No, you've made plenty in one email. A guy commenting on MSNBC is not the network saying it. A guy on this forum calling it the Trump virus is not "the media" doing that.
Yes, Trump made it political. Unless you think someone else is tweeting on his behalf.
jcburnsNo, you've made plenty in one email. A guy commenting on MSNBC is not the network saying it.
"Glenn L. Kirschner is an NBC/MSNBC legal analyst.."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Kirschner
jcburnsA guy on this forum calling it the Trump virus is not "the media" doing that.
I didn't say "the media" called it the Trump virus. Here's my quote:
York1We don't need blue print calling it the 'Trump Virus'.
Check out the color of the posts.
I think it's time I quit this folderol. I've upset enough people.
The only thing that upsets me in these posts is that someone calls me unempathetic without even knowing me or what I do. They have no idea what I do in my community. They have no idea how many hours I spent away from my family dealing with people who needed help. This accusation is made strictly on my choice of a candidate and by my calling MSNBC 'PMSNBC'.
Have a good evening, everyone. Happy 4th of July!
I'm not calling you unsympathetic. I'm saying what you wrote was quite unsympathetic. I was encouraging you to be empathetic and care about your fellow human being. That doesn't imply you're not doing that...if you are, great! Do more! Let it leak into your forum posts! Glad to hear it.
By the way, a guy MSNBC has on as an "analyst" (even when they pay him) is NOT the network saying it. I don't like any of these analyst people showing up as generic interviewees on ANY channel. It's crap television. But they're just one voice. Treat him or her accordingly.
I know, I know, I say I'm quitting, and then I post again.
I don't want to let this go.
jcburnsI'm not calling you unsympathetic. I'm saying what you wrote was quite unsympathetic.
Can you quote the post where I wrote something that was either unsympathetic or unempathetic?
I've looked back through my posts, and I honestly don't know where your comment comes from.
By the way, my 7:07 p.m. post was my 1776th post!
For the record, I'm what many of your Republicans would consider a hardline leftist (I support universal health care, among other things) and I thought the PMSNBC joke was hilarious!
SNL should do more of their 'Morning Joe' parody bits. Alex Moffat and Kate McKinnon slay as Joe and Mika!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ynfBTfpJlU
York1 By the way, my 7:07 p.m. post was my 1776th post!
Very appropriate for the day!
Thanks, Dude! I'm glad this forum lets all of us with differing views still be friends with our shared love of railroads.
jcburns,
I want to let you know that I appreciate your views even if I disagree with them. I hope I have not angered you.
We can disagree and still appreciate each other's views.
There is actually a brief Amtrak reference in the SNL clip I linked. So I guess that kinda sorta adds a tiny bit of railroad content back into this trainforsaken thread.
We would all do well to remember that we have far more in common than that which divides us.
York1 BaltACD The cows voted for a loser, in mind, body and spirit. Don't tell them that. I won't get any sleep tonight when they start making noise upset at what you said.
BaltACD The cows voted for a loser, in mind, body and spirit.
Had part of one for dinner!
tree68 The "other candidate" in the last election thought they had several states wrapped up and didn't pay any attention to those states. In hindsight, that was not a wise decision, with the result we saw. This has been documented in a book on the topic. The election was conducted under the rules in effect at the time (and still in effect). The losers have been pushing changing the rules, but it's hard to get an answer if you ask what their reaction would be if the rules were changed and their candidate again loses, but would have won under the old rules... And it's hard to lead when the less-than-loyal opposition (and their MSM minions) fights you at every turn. This POTUS could say the sky is blue and his opponents would find a way to find fault with the statement. IMHO, we could have elected a cross between Mr. Rogers and Walter Cronkite and things would have played out exactly the same. This all has little to do with the specific person who was elected and more to do with the political party that person identifies with.
Partisan tribalism certainly plays a role, but to ascribe the situation entirely to that is to ignore exactly how different an animal Trump is. No president in my lifetime even comes close in terms of a deliberate effort to flout the norms of presidential behavior in every way.
i had never voted Democratic for president until Trump came along, mostly for foreign and trade policy reasons. Trump has turned Reagan's foreign and trade policy on its head, and the Republican Party is now the party of protectionism and isolationism.
I'll be happy to vote Republican again some day, if they ever recover from the Trump takeover.
Finally, please spare me the "less-than-loyal opposition" bit. The Right treated Obama exactly the same way during his time in office. Imagine, if you will, the reaction from Faux Nooz if it was reported that US intel agencies had information that the Russians paid the Taleban to kill US soldiers and Obama's reaction was basically "no one told me."
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