Sure smacks of it. No pun intended.
https://www.railwayage.com/safety/three-ns-trains-collide-in-western-pennsylvania/
243129 Sure smacks of it. No pun intended. https://www.railwayage.com/safety/three-ns-trains-collide-in-western-pennsylvania/
Amtrak had a fatality in Chicago:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/11/11/20960084/amtrak-employee-killed-industrial-accident-south-loop-rail-yard-lumber-street
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SD70Dude 243129 Sure smacks of it. No pun intended. https://www.railwayage.com/safety/three-ns-trains-collide-in-western-pennsylvania/ Amtrak had a fatality in Chicago: https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/11/11/20960084/amtrak-employee-killed-industrial-accident-south-loop-rail-yard-lumber-street
So if certain people on here were being consistent, should not an award be under serious consideration?
charlie hebdo SD70Dude 243129 Sure smacks of it. No pun intended. https://www.railwayage.com/safety/three-ns-trains-collide-in-western-pennsylvania/ Amtrak had a fatality in Chicago: https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/11/11/20960084/amtrak-employee-killed-industrial-accident-south-loop-rail-yard-lumber-street So if certain people on here were being consistent, should not an award be under serious consideration?
Hi, how is your day going? Nice to see you too.
May that poor employee rest in peace, and peace be to his family and friends as well.
Article seems to imply this accident was nonpreventible given the available technology. Weird..I guess we'll need to wait for PTC 2.0.. until then I'd be careful about booking a seat on the last car of an Amtrak.
SD70Dude charlie hebdo SD70Dude 243129 Sure smacks of it. No pun intended. https://www.railwayage.com/safety/three-ns-trains-collide-in-western-pennsylvania/ Amtrak had a fatality in Chicago: https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/11/11/20960084/amtrak-employee-killed-industrial-accident-south-loop-rail-yard-lumber-street So if certain people on here were being consistent, should not an award be under serious consideration? Hi, how is your day going? Nice to see you too. May that poor employee rest in peace, and peace be to his family and friends as well.
And that is how these pedestrian or vehicle collisions with a locomotive should be spoken of, or not at all.
charlie hebdoSo if certain people on here were being consistent, should not an award be under serious consideration?
Not enough information to draw such a conclusion. You appear to be the only one who did.
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charlie hebdo SD70Dude charlie hebdo SD70Dude 243129 Sure smacks of it. No pun intended. https://www.railwayage.com/safety/three-ns-trains-collide-in-western-pennsylvania/ Amtrak had a fatality in Chicago: https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/11/11/20960084/amtrak-employee-killed-industrial-accident-south-loop-rail-yard-lumber-street So if certain people on here were being consistent, should not an award be under serious consideration? Hi, how is your day going? Nice to see you too. May that poor employee rest in peace, and peace be to his family and friends as well. And that is how these pedestrian or vehicle collisions with a locomotive should be spoken of, or not at all.
I agree, and I never advocated demeaning the victim in the other thread.
I think you are holding a grudge against certain others who are not me, and that does not belong in this thread, unless you want this one locked too.
We do not know yet how the NS three-train collision happened, or exactly how the Amtrak employee was killed. Let the speculation begin......
Does NTSB investigate wrecks in which no one was hurt or killed?
charlie hebdo Amtrak had a fatality in Chicago: https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/11/11/20960084/amtrak-employee-killed-industrial-accident-south-loop-rail-yard-lumber-street So if certain people on here were being consistent, should not an award be under serious consideration?
Need more facts to make any awards - I rarely see such pabulum and so few facts in an article. No facts were presented as to what craft the deceased was working or what kind of work action was being performed at the time of the blunt force tramua from a industrial accident.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
You miss the point. No big surprise there. Whatever the cause for his fatal injuries, he and his family deserve our condolences. It's really not hard to summon empathy for his family.
charlie hebdoYou miss the point. No big surprise there. Whatever the cause for his fatal injuries, he and his family deserve our condolences. It's really not hard to summon empathy for his family.
Chlorine is used to sanitize water for use in swimming pools. Darwins are spot use of sanitizer in cleaning the Gene Pool.
Who knows, maybe my own death when it comes, might be worthy of a Darwin. For 73 years I have avoided such a happening, and I am not a 'hold my beer' type of individual but I have managed to survive a number of what, in retrospect, were extremely dumb things. Had those things claime my life I would have richly deserved a Darwin!
Yes, when I wake up in the morning, the first thing on my mind is to make sure the gene pool is clean.
charlie hebdoIt's really not hard to summon empathy for his family.
No, it's not. And in virtually all cases, regardless of the cause of death, folks do feel empathy for the family. Even moreso in the case of those awarded the honor being discussed, as the family is suffering when they really didn't need to do so.
I should note that you don't seem to have a problem casting aspersions on the crew of the train involved in the wreck in Pennsylvania. I know, I know, I'm mis-interpreting your intentions there. That always seems to be the case when someone points out a flaw in your reasoning.
EuclidYes, when I wake up in the morning, the first thing on my mind is to make sure the gene pool is clean.
If gene pool cleaning had been really perfected - many of us would not exist for a variety of reasons.
tree68 charlie hebdo It's really not hard to summon empathy for his family. No, it's not. And in virtually all cases, regardless of the cause of death, folks do feel empathy for the family. Even moreso in the case of those awarded the honor being discussed, as the family is suffering when they really didn't need to do so. I should note that you don't seem to have a problem casting aspersions on the crew of the train involved in the wreck in Pennsylvania. I know, I know, I'm mis-interpreting your intentions there. That always seems to be the case when someone points out a flaw in your reasoning.
charlie hebdo It's really not hard to summon empathy for his family.
The flaw lies in your inability to even read correctly. You are so eager to attack anyone who confronts your Darwin obsession. I was referring in a hypothetical manner to the Amtrak employee who died in an accident in Chicago, not the crews in Pennsylvania. Heck, it could have been equipment failure or dispatchers' incompetence, I don't know and neither do you.
You readily celebrate the deaths of "civilian" victims of locomotives but railroad workers seem to be immune from even being held accountable for collisions. Classic double standard.
charlie hebdoThe flaw lies in your inability to even read correctly. You are so eager to attack anyone who confronts your Darwin obsession. I was referring in a hypothetical manner to the Amtrak employee who died in an accident in Chicago, not the crews in Pennsylvania. Heck, it could have been equipment failure or dispatchers' incompetence, I don't know and neither do you. You readily celebrate the deaths of "civilian" victims of locomotives but railroad workers seem to be immune from even being held accountable for collisions. Classic double standard.
You're right - I was thinking as I wrote that that you had started the thread. My bad.
I don't know where you get "celebrate" from. I'm not celebrating anyone's death. If anything, invoking Darwin is a statement on how regretable (and preventable) such a death is. Would you prefer if we just said something to that effect, rather than invoking Darwin?
I'm not placing any blame for the PA collision - no one but those involved knows what actually happened. Could be the crew was observing the speed part of restricted and not observing the stop in half the distance. Maybe they were discussing a football game...
And I'm certainly not going to judge the Chicago incident based on what's been published so far. For all we know, a lifting device failed and something fell on him.
And, in case you missed it, I was one of those putting the blame for the Ivy City incident squarely on the deceased crew members while certain others tried to blame just about everyone else.
Lithonia Operator Does NTSB investigate wrecks in which no one was hurt or killed?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/1131
The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.
Tree: OK on all counts.
tree68 For all we know, a lifting device failed and something fell on him.
For all we know, a lifting device failed and something fell on him.
It can happen, and not just in the workplace or on a railroad:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/girl-air-conditioner-struck-dies-scarborough-1.5356152
I don't think the NS wreck necessarily indicates poor training, vetting, etc. It could mean that, of course.
But it could also be that a well-trained crew, with two persons who have done great jobs for decades, on this particular day got sloppy. It happens. It seems clear that they were not proceeding at a speed whereby they could stop in time; or, if they were, they were distracted. Maybe, as someone said, they were just chewing the fat and not looking where they were going.
It's also possible there were extenuating circumstances. Like an equipment failure that distracted them. A health emergency in the cab. Who knows?
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You're just obsessed with this nonsense. You can't help yourself.
charlie hebdo BaltACD Potential Darwin candidate You're just obsessed with this nonsense. You can't help yourself.
Your horse is pretty damn high. Do you need supplemental oxygen up there - or is that a picture of your lost keys. In today's world openly inviting unknown parties to your 'home' address is about the next best thing to advertising a death wish.
Let it go. You might live a while.
charlie hebdo Let it go. You might live a while.
... is also good for apologists that won't let go.
Looks like the record is stuck again.
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
If being an apologist means standing up to sadism and up for the dead and their families, that's just fine.
charlie hebdo If being an apologist means standing up to sadism and up for the dead and their families, that's just fine.
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