243129 That being said, and I ask this question of all, do you really believe, as a poster here claims, that he crawled under his train after hitting a trespasser and removed body parts so that his train crew would not get their uniforms dirty and because he was sick of listening to the dispatcher calling for updates, all this while Chicago emergency personnel stood by and requested him to do it?
The part about the train crew being furnished uniforms raised my eyebrows a little, I'll admit
Convicted OneThe part about the train crew being furnished uniforms raised my eyebrows a little, I'll admit
Commuter service?
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Murphy SidingNo, I just didn't care enough to play your game, so you won. Or whatever.
Poor attempt at saving face. When called to produce proof of your allegations about me you went silent.
243129 Murphy Siding No, I just didn't care enough to play your game, so you won. Or whatever. Poor attempt at saving face. When called to produce proof of your allegations about me you went silent.
Murphy Siding No, I just didn't care enough to play your game, so you won. Or whatever.
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
Murphy SidingYou won. Revel in your victory. Build a trophy case. Or maybe a commemorative T-shirt is in order? Whatever you do, be sure to mark it on your calender.
Prove a couple of your allegations to make me look bad. You can't so stop embarrassing yourself and go away.
Yeah, murphy is the embarrassing one here. Sure.
zugmannYeah, murphy is the embarrassing one here. Sure
I'm glad you agree.
Your boy was called out...and he didn't come.
I've read less cringe on a reddit thread.
People rue the fact that many actual railroaders have bailed on this forum.
And this is why.
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
How do we even know 243129 was a railroader?
zugmannHow do we even know 243129 was a railroader?
and if he was, was it on a carrier that ever turned a profit while he was employed.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
This is just another example of a serious issue turning into an inane, childish discussion about nothing.
charlie hebdoThis is just another example of a serious issue turning into an inane, childish discussion about nothing.
juis sui Charlie?
Convicted One 243129 That being said, and I ask this question of all, do you really believe, as a poster here claims, that he crawled under his train after hitting a trespasser and removed body parts so that his train crew would not get their uniforms dirty and because he was sick of listening to the dispatcher calling for updates, all this while Chicago emergency personnel stood by and requested him to do it? The part about the train crew being furnished uniforms raised my eyebrows a little, I'll admit
zardoz said he was running the train from a cab car. That means a passenger train, most likely a commuter train. Train crew other than the engineer would be wearing uniforms. Do you really want those guys to get dirty, greasy and bloody, then go back into the train and interact with passengers?
I believe zardoz. I don't know what Mr. X is trying to accomplish with all this irrelevant BS. For some reason, it is important to him for others to believe zardoz is lying. Why? What's the friggin point?
tree68 People rue the fact that many actual railroaders have bailed on this forum. And this is why.
Really. If kids act like this, they get sent home from school.
Lithonia OperatorWhy? What's the friggin point?
Not knowing....I'd be reluctant to speculate. It does seem like parties on all sides are just too willing to fill in the blanks to suit themselves here....which is a recipe for confusion. Perhaps I'll wait for the movie to come out?
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/college-basketball-star-19-dies-220535985.html
Lithonia Operatorzardoz said he was running the train from a cab car. That means a passenger train, most likely a commuter train. Train crew other than the engineer would be wearing uniforms. Do you really want those guys to get dirty, greasy and bloody, then go back into the train and interact with passengers?
Lithonia Operator...... I don't know what Mr. X is trying to accomplish with all this irrelevant BS. For some reason, it is important to him for others to believe zardoz is lying. Why? What's the friggin point?
I apologize to my fellow forum members for igniting this unfortunate exchange we've all had to endure.
zardoz Lithonia Operator zardoz said he was running the train from a cab car. That means a passenger train, most likely a commuter train. Train crew other than the engineer would be wearing uniforms. Do you really want those guys to get dirty, greasy and bloody, then go back into the train and interact with passengers? You are correct. It was a Metra commuter train. My fault for not being more specific. Lithonia Operator ...... I don't know what Mr. X is trying to accomplish with all this irrelevant BS. For some reason, it is important to him for others to believe zardoz is lying. Why? What's the friggin point? I do not know what I did to anger him so. The only purpose of the post in question was to (perhaps) dramaticize what train crews sometimes must endure, hence our sometimes crude attitude. When the incident happened, I had no familiarity with the harsh realities of flesh vs steel, and was quite unprepared for what I experienced. I apologize to my fellow forum members for igniting this unfortunate exchange we've all had to endure.
Lithonia Operator zardoz said he was running the train from a cab car. That means a passenger train, most likely a commuter train. Train crew other than the engineer would be wearing uniforms. Do you really want those guys to get dirty, greasy and bloody, then go back into the train and interact with passengers?
You are correct. It was a Metra commuter train. My fault for not being more specific.
Lithonia Operator ...... I don't know what Mr. X is trying to accomplish with all this irrelevant BS. For some reason, it is important to him for others to believe zardoz is lying. Why? What's the friggin point?
I do not know what I did to anger him so. The only purpose of the post in question was to (perhaps) dramaticize what train crews sometimes must endure, hence our sometimes crude attitude. When the incident happened, I had no familiarity with the harsh realities of flesh vs steel, and was quite unprepared for what I experienced.
BaltACD charlie hebdo This is just another example of a serious issue turning into an inane, childish discussion about nothing. juis sui Charlie?
charlie hebdo This is just another example of a serious issue turning into an inane, childish discussion about nothing.
Says the cliche meister yet again. Well played, Captain Obvious!
BaltACD zugmann How do we even know 243129 was a railroader? and if he was, was it on a carrier that ever turned a profit while he was employed.
zugmann How do we even know 243129 was a railroader?
You sound like that childish fat blob who masquerades as POTUS.
Johnny
I understand the 'forum mentality' and the 'clique' that goes with it. Rally round your amigos be they right or wrong. I have called out posters here to provide proof of that which they allege. It is not forthcoming.
I am appalled that some here denigrate the victim. I am especially appalled at one who expresses anger at a victim for putting him through anguish.
As for zardoz wearing his heart on his sleeve, I have no doubt that the incident occurred. Get over it, you didn't take the train off of the tracks and hit him, you did all you could do.
I have enormous doubt that he crawled under his train to remove body parts while the ME and Chicago emergency personnel stood by. Preposterous.
The Zardoz's anecdote and the subsequent kerfuffle are really irrelevant. There is simply no justification for this public attack on accident victims with the rationale that it acts as some aid in healing.
charlie hebdo The Zardoz's anecdote and the subsequent kerfuffle are really irrelevant. There is simply no justification for this public attack on accident victims with the rationale that it acts as some aid in healing.
I agree.
I have seen a couple bad car accidents. The effect they had is something I never expected. There is no way to adequately describe it. But it never crossed my mind that the experience itself was an injury to me caused by the deceased crash victim. I never had an urge to get revenge against the victim for making a mistake that gave me an uncomfortable feeling.
The man apologized. But you guys still want to pile on. And still zardov's honesty is still being challenged.
243129 and Charlie, I am a natural ally of yours here. I think politically we are pretty closely aligned. But just as I think that it's disruptive to bring up things like that dirtball in the White House (lots of people here just got wicked pi$$ed at me; please call it "Exhibit A"), it's also not productive to attack other people's characters.
It seems like there is old bad blood here. I think that's a huge factor, from what I have seen in my relatively short time here. The reaction to the Darwin comments (even though I share your distaste for the expression) is hugely overblown. It's a question of scale. The families are very, very unlikely to see any comments here.
"Revenge?" Come on, Euclid ... Seriously?
Euclid, I would like to say that I have a lot of respect for you. I feel like your comments are generally not nasty and incendiary. I also admire what seems to be a lack of tribalism in your views on things. I'm never quite sure where you'll come down, and to me that is a sign of a critical thinker.
The country is very divided. Me, I'm in the liberal tribe, I admit. I could link you to active threads here right now in which guys are making poorly-veiled anti-liberal remarks. But I'm not taking the bait. We all have to let things pass sometimes if we wish to have a productive, enjoyable forum.
Can't we please try to keep polarizing social/political/moral/religious things out of here? I'm asking both "sides."
These are my final remarks on the spat. (I promise!) I may comment on the actual subject of the thread, if we ever get back to it.
The case of the young basketball player is so terribly sad. There's a lot of pain out there. None of us know what dwells in the hearts of others. I hope his family can find some peace.
243129 I understand the 'forum mentality' and the 'clique' that goes with it. Rally round your amigos be they right or wrong. I have called out posters here to provide proof of that which they allege. It is not forthcoming. I am appalled that some here denigrate the victim. I am especially appalled at one who expresses anger at a victim for putting him through anguish. As for zardoz wearing his heart on his sleeve, I have no doubt that the incident occurred. Get over it, you didn't take the train off of the tracks and hit him, you did all you could do. I have enormous doubt that he crawled under his train to remove body parts while the ME and Chicago emergency personnel stood by. Preposterous.
Lithonia: Politics has nothing to do with this thread. And I did not attack anyone's character, per se. Only the desire some on here to have to attack the dead, who are unable to defend themselves.
As to Amtrak Joe: He's a feisty guy, but questioning the truth of his experience as an engineer with the NH through Penn Central, Conrail and Amtrak is absurd.
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