Lithonia OperatorThe Darwiners are not singling anyone out personally
Usually it's left to the party offended to determine whether they have the right to be offended or not.....look all over the news, and that's what you'll see. Misunderstood intentions are seldom a workable excuse.
The girls killed on the double track illustrate a problem in my area. In our rural area, there is double mainline track with very few crossings that have lights or crossing arms.
Several years ago, a car with a couple of young people was stopped at a rural crossing while a train passed. As soon as the train cleared the crossing, they started across, not seeing a train coming from the opposite direction. It had been hidden behind the first train.
In a moment of not thinking, the accident happened.
Since then, the county has taken steps of marking the crossings better with warnings of the double track, an actual stop sign at each crossing, and has looked into more lights at crossings.
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I asked my doctor if I gave up delicious food and all alcohol, would I live longer? He said, "No, but it will seem longer."
Lithonia OperatorEuclid, I do have issues with the Darwin thing, and I have stated that.
You seem to have a lot more issues with people who criticize the “Darwin thing.” I am not offended by people invoking the Darwin Award, and I agree that the chance of the victims’ loved ones hearing it is small. In any case, I am not worried about that because I have no control over it.
The Darwin Award is to insult by mock and ridicule a person who is deemed to have died because his own actions. It cites the victim’s lack of intelligence as the reason why they made the mistake of killing themselves. Then it goes on to celebrate the death as a victory for the rest of society by the Darwin principle of nature improving the gene pool by naturally weeding out the stupid people.
So we end up with a super race of people who are so smart that they never make mistakes. To say that this amounts to dancing on the grave is not hyperbole at all. The Darwin Award not only mocks a person for making a fatal mistake, but it also rejoices in the fact that the demise of that person makes the world better for the rest of us.
The real joke of the Darwin Award is on those who go around bestowing it while having no idea how small it makes them look.
Lithonia OperatorOn the other hand, we have one guy here who is directly calling another guy a liar. (I believe you zardoz, btw.)
I did not call zardoz a liar. I'm sure the incident occurred albeit embellished. I have but I have a hard time with him retrieving body parts scenario with Chicago emergency personnel present. Don't you?
Lithonia OperatorNow we have a gentleman calling for zardoz to describe the bloody scene in detail?!
Spin it as you may, whatever suits your agenda. I stated it could not get more bizzare so why not describe what you 'retrieved'.
Here is the post:
zardoz Second, do you really want a graphic description of what I found?
243129
It can't get much more bizarre so yes tell me.
243129 zardoz Second, do you really want a graphic description of what I found? 243129 It can't get much more bizarre so yes tell me.
Without getting into the finer details, I think all of us have seen the remains of deer or other roadkill on the side of the highway.
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SD70DudeWithout getting into the finer details, I think all of us have seen the remains of deer or other roadkill on the side of the highway.
It was sarcasm directed at zardoz. He has a flair for the dramatic(bizarre).
243129 SD70Dude Without getting into the finer details, I think all of us have seen the remains of deer or other roadkill on the side of the highway. It was sarcasm directed at zardoz. He has a flair for the dramatic(bizarre).
SD70Dude Without getting into the finer details, I think all of us have seen the remains of deer or other roadkill on the side of the highway.
And you don't?
Euclid Lithonia Operator Euclid, I do have issues with the Darwin thing, and I have stated that. You seem to have a lot more issues with people who criticize the “Darwin thing.” I am not offended by people invoking the Darwin Award, and I agree that the chance of the victims’ loved ones hearing it is small. In any case, I am not worried about that because I have no control over it. The Darwin Award is to insult by mock and ridicule a person who is deemed to have died because his own actions. It cites the victim’s lack of intelligence as the reason why they made the mistake of killing themselves. Then it goes on to celebrate the death as a victory for the rest of society by the Darwin principle of nature improving the gene pool by naturally weeding out the stupid people. So we end up with a super race of people who are so smart that they never make mistakes. To say that this amounts to dancing on the grave is not hyperbole at all. The Darwin Award not only mocks a person for making a fatal mistake, but it also rejoices in the fact that the demise of that person makes the world better for the rest of us. The real joke of the Darwin Award is on those who go around bestowing it while having no idea how small it makes them look.
Lithonia Operator Euclid, I do have issues with the Darwin thing, and I have stated that.
A very clear and succinct explanation of what is so bad about this Darwin Award, which, BTW, is a distortion of evolutionary biology.
We have a cast here that could put on their own Broadway play at times.
I don't like the "Darwin" designation because I know of people (and I'm sure many of the other RRers here know of their own people) with far more experience than me that were hurt or killed out here. This stuff doesn't discriminate. It will kill you. People have lapses of judgment, act foolishly, or suffer from mental problems/demons the like I (or most of us) could never imagine.
The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.
With all due respect. Really. I mean it.
I totally get what you don't like about the stupid "Darwin Award." I've never liked the idea behind this tacky dark humor either.
I just think you are taking what are basically throw-away remarks, and proceeding directly from there to making serious assumptions about the characters of the people who made such posts. It's a pretty big leap from reading tacky humor to concluding that those posters "celebrate the death as a victory for the rest of society by the Darwin principle of nature improving the gene pool by naturally weeding out the stupid people. So we end up with a super race of people who are so smart that they never make mistakes." Yikes.
I have zero issues with your not liking the Darwin talk. I share a lot of your feelings on this. My only issue is this: was this really an area that was worth jumping into? Did those posters really deserve character attacks because of this? I personally don't think so.
In any event, this thread seriously degenerated. It was about a serious issue, and now it's just a dumpster fire. I just don't feel that a lot of this was necessary.
Was it necessary for me to jump into the middle of this? No, actually, it wasn't! Wicked dumb of me. I'll probably pass on the next go-round.
Lithonia Operator Euclid Lithonia Operator Euclid, I do have issues with the Darwin thing, and I have stated that. You seem to have a lot more issues with people who criticize the “Darwin thing.” I am not offended by people invoking the Darwin Award, and I agree that the chance of the victims’ loved ones hearing it is small. In any case, I am not worried about that because I have no control over it. The Darwin Award is to insult by mock and ridicule a person who is deemed to have died because his own actions. It cites the victim’s lack of intelligence as the reason why they made the mistake of killing themselves. Then it goes on to celebrate the death as a victory for the rest of society by the Darwin principle of nature improving the gene pool by naturally weeding out the stupid people. So we end up with a super race of people who are so smart that they never make mistakes. To say that this amounts to dancing on the grave is not hyperbole at all. The Darwin Award not only mocks a person for making a fatal mistake, but it also rejoices in the fact that the demise of that person makes the world better for the rest of us. The real joke of the Darwin Award is on those who go around bestowing it while having no idea how small it makes them look. With all due respect. Really. I mean it. I totally get what you don't like about the stupid "Darwin Award." I've never liked the idea behind this tacky dark humor either. I just think you are taking what are basically throw-away remarks, and proceeding directly from there to making serious assumptions about the characters of the people who made such posts. It's a pretty big leap from reading tacky humor to concluding that those posters "celebrate the death as a victory for the rest of society by the Darwin principle of nature improving the gene pool by naturally weeding out the stupid people. So we end up with a super race of people who are so smart that they never make mistakes." Yikes. I have zero issues with your not liking the Darwin talk. I share a lot of your feelings on this. My only issue is this: was this really an area that was worth jumping into? Did those posters really deserve character attacks because of this? I personally don't think so. In any event, this thread seriously degenerated. It was about a serious issue, and now it's just a dumpster fire. I just don't feel that a lot of this was necessary. Was it necessary for me to jump into the middle of this? No, actually, it wasn't! Wicked dumb of me. I'll probably pass on the next go-round.
I am just talking about the Darwin Award per se, and why I don’t like it. I am not making a personal attack against anybody here. Why would you get so concerned about my point of view when you have no concern about the pro-Darwin Award view? You dismiss that as just throw away remarks or tacky humor.
I am not assuming anything about the motives of the posters here. They may well believe the Darwin Award is just good clean fun. That is their right to believe that. But I am talking about the Darwin Award itself which is only a concept. I cannot insult or injure a concept. I cannot make a personal attack against the Darwin Award. All I can do it criticize the concept, and people here are free to disagree. But you seem to say that people can invoke the Darwin Award and this just good clean fun. But people who disagree with that are way out of line and wrecking the conversation.
You ask if it was worth jumping into this, in reference to expressing disdain for the Darwin Award. You say before that happened, it was a discussion about a serious issue. Let me remind you that the departure from the Oregon accident began here with this post on page 1:
Posted by zardoz on Wednesday, November 6, 2019 10:36 AM
charlie Hebdo said:
I understand. But writing an incident report is hardly comparable to what Tree has witnessed. Nor the same as counseling those survivors and family or the engineers of the trains. All I say is cease using such derogatory terms for those who die in these senseless accidents. Or tell it to your Darwin Candidate's family face to face.
Zardoz said:
Perhaps some of the anger, expressed as a derogatory term, is justified. Some of us that have had to pull body parts from under their locomotive, getting to see and smell things that we'd prefer to not have experienced, get mad at these idiots that, by their negligence, have put us through trauma not of our chosing. Twenty-five+ years later, I can still vividly recall the sensory input I received at each of the fatal incidents I was involved in. So yeah, screw them morons, they deserve their Darwin title.
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So you can see that this did not begin as you seem to believe it did.
SD70DudeAnd you don't?
No. Show where (in your estimation) I display drama. I deal in reality.
SD70Dude 243129 SD70Dude Without getting into the finer details, I think all of us have seen the remains of deer or other roadkill on the side of the highway. It was sarcasm directed at zardoz. He has a flair for the dramatic(bizarre). And you don't?
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
243129 SD70Dude And you don't? No. Show where (in your estimation) I display drama. I deal in reality.
SD70Dude And you don't?
I was thinking of your typical responses to those who question your version of reality.
In general, careless people just seem to have a knack at finding misfortune. Doesn't matter if the victim is a reckless buffoon or an otherwise astute person who has a momentary lapse of attention...accidents happen.
It's too easy, and perhaps sadly gratifying for observers to point their fingers and exclaim "what idiots!" Perhaps that is a key component to said individuals way of assuring themselves they are somehow better?
People in general all too often tend to think that accidents, be it traffic related, rail related, or even fire safety, happen only to stupid people,...until of course it happens to them.
Convicted One In general, careless people just seem to have a knack at finding misfortune. Doesn't matter if the victim is a reckless buffoon or an otherwise astute person who has a momentary lapse of attention...accidents happen. It's too easy, and perhaps sadly gratifying for observers to point their fingers and exclaim "what idiots!" Perhaps that is a key component to said individuals way of assuring themselves they are somehow better? People in general all too often tend to think that accidents, be it traffic related, rail related, or even fire safety, happen only to stupid people,...until of course it happens to them.
What you nicely described is known as the fundamental attribution error, first researched in 1972.
SD70Dude 243129 SD70Dude And you don't? No. Show where (in your estimation) I display drama. I deal in reality. I was thinking of your typical responses to those who question your version of reality.
Such as?
Convicted OneIt's too easy, and perhaps sadly gratifying for observers to point their fingers and exclaim "what idiots!" Perhaps that is a key component to said individuals way of assuring themselves they are somehow better?
That is very well stated. But I would say it is more "smarter" than "better." I admit I'm guilty of that at times, at least on some level. I think we all do this. I think it's a way of pushing fear away. We see something horrible happen to others, and deal with that be telling ourselves we are smarter, and therefore it would be much less likely to happen to us.
I think one reason mass shootings, terrorist bombings, etc., are so upsetting to even those not even close to be being directly affected is that we KNOW it could happen to us. Intelligence plays no card. It is all chance; being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
243129 SD70Dude 243129 SD70Dude And you don't? No. Show where (in your estimation) I display drama. I deal in reality. I was thinking of your typical responses to those who question your version of reality. Such as?
This is probably the most recent one, from a page or two ago:
"EEEKK!!! Sounds like a nun at a parochial school !"
I really don't have the time to go look up your past Amtrak safety threads.
You can also start ignoring me anytime, it's ok, I won't mind.
You have no sense of humor?
SD70DudeYou can also start ignoring me anytime, it's ok, I won't mind.
Come, have a seat. Want a drink? Just be careful walking around - it is getting a little crowded in here.
zugmann SD70Dude You can also start ignoring me anytime, it's ok, I won't mind. Come, have a seat. Want a drink? Just be careful walking around - it is getting a little crowded in here.
SD70Dude You can also start ignoring me anytime, it's ok, I won't mind.
It'll have to be water, I'm on call.
I wonder if that Prohibition Brew has enough alcohol to make you fail a drug test?
243129 You have no sense of humor?
I've been called a lot of things, but humourless is a new one.
SD70DudeI wonder if that Prohibition Brew has enough alcohol to make you fail a drug test?
At LAST, something that merits posting in this dreadful tar-baby thread.
Yes, it would. Depending of course on the sensitivity. I believe railroad whiz quizzes (and CDL-related ones) are far more rigorous than 'civilian' alcohol testing.
Poppy-seed chicken will make you fail an opioid test.
Perhaps fortunately, I don't think the Excedrin you need to keep reading the thread will affect anything involving legal fitness for duty. (Vicodin or Lortab might be further indicated, the way things have been going, but you'll just have to resist...)
Overmod Poppy-seed chicken will make you fail an opioid test.
That I did know already, and I do deliberately avoid poppyseeds for that reason. It's not like I'm missing much, they are not the primary ingredient of any food.
SD70Dude 243129 You have no sense of humor? I've been called a lot of things, but humourless is a new one.
Your credibility is about to suffer. Where do I call you humorless? Remember this 'Dude', you started this repartee a few posts back so no whining about the thread going off topic.
243129 SD70Dude 243129 You have no sense of humor? I've been called a lot of things, but humourless is a new one. Your credibility is about to suffer. Where do I call you humorless? Remember this 'Dude', you started this repartee a few posts back so no whining about the thread going off topic.
Oh no. You mean it's time to send my dear old Credibility to a farm upstate? Say it ain't so Uncle Joe!
I don't think I've complained about this thread going off-topic. In fact, I have spoken in support of continuing off-topic discussions in the past, although those normally have some substance to them, unlike this one.
SD70DudeOh no. You mean it's time to send my dear old Credibility to a farm upstate? Say it ain't so Uncle Joe!
It is so as is in evidence by your non-answers to my queries.
SD70DudeI don't think I've complained about this thread going off-topic. I
Now you have brought your lack of reading comprehension to the forefront also. Where do I say you complained about going off topic? Another question you won't answer.
243129 SD70Dude I don't think I've complained about this thread going off-topic. Now you have brought your lack of reading comprehension to the forefront also. Where do I say you complained about going off topic? Another question you won't answer.
SD70Dude I don't think I've complained about this thread going off-topic.
You implied that I was going to. Just getting ahead of things.
This is actually a good example of the difference between how Engineers and Conductors think when switching. You are reactive, I am proactive.
Overmod (Vicodin or Lortab might be further indicated, the way things have been going, but you'll just have to resist...)
I think we're soon going to need the real hard stuff.
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