Flintlock76Oh, and everyone, give Zardoz a little credit. If he says he had to crawl under the train to remove the body parts, I believe him. Who makes up stuff like that?
Oh, by the way, I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn, might you be interested?
That's ok, I don't think most of us believe half of what that other person in the argument says on here, either.
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tree68Our medical examiner is a little old guy I wouldn't want crawling around under the train...
Either he should not have the job or he should have some able-bodied personnel to assist him.
tree68And by that time, the first responders have probably gone home - body recovery isn't their job.
Whose job is it then?
The first responders leave the scene before the ME has collected all of the body parts?
The engineer of the train volunteers to collect the body parts so that the train can proceed on it's way?!
Are you guys serious?
zugmannThat's ok, I don't think most of us believe half of what that other person in the argument says on here, either.
The 'sniper' surfaces.
243129The 'sniper' surfaces.
Hi. How have you been, sir?
243129Either he should not have the job or he should have some able-bodied personnel to assist him.
99 and 44/100% of the time victims are removed from a scene intact. An incident such as we are discussing would be a real outlier.
243129The first responders leave the scene before the ME has collected all of the body parts?
Once all possible aid has been rendered and all hazards have been mitigated, it's evidence collection. Probably law enforcement gets the nod, although others from the ME's office or the DA's investigators (if it's possibly a crime) would potentially be tasked.
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243129 Flintlock76 Oh, and everyone, give Zardoz a little credit. If he says he had to crawl under the train to remove the body parts, I believe him. Who makes up stuff like that? Oh, by the way, I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn, might you be interested?
Flintlock76 Oh, and everyone, give Zardoz a little credit. If he says he had to crawl under the train to remove the body parts, I believe him. Who makes up stuff like that?
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I'll trade you for a couple of my oceanfront lots in Tucson!
IMO, Zardoz has proven himself to be a reliable source on here over the years. If he says he did it, then it happened.
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Murphy Siding How is this not considered sniping?
Don't be stealing my title.
zugmann Murphy Siding How is this not considered sniping? Don't be stealing my title.
You have tenure. Hard to steal that.
I don't doubt what Zardoz said. However, in Illinois this would be very unusual. The staff from the county coroner's office are assigned the duty of retrieval of body parts. Local police may assist but it is considered a crime scene. Neither the train nor its operating personnel can leave until the law enforcement agencies release them.
charlie hebdoI don't doubt what Zardoz said. However, in Illinois this would be very unusual. The staff from the county coroner's office are assigned the duty of retrieval of body parts. Local police may assist but it is considered a crime scene. Neither the train nor its operating personnel can leave until the law enforcement agencies release them.
Different localities - different rules.
In one case I dealt with the Police would not release the scene until the Coroner had pronounced the tri-part body dead and it was removed from the scene. Three hours after the police, through their channels, requested the coroner he showed up and pronounced the individaul dead. When asked by Company Police that I had requested to respond to the scene, about body removal - the coroner replied 'Not my Job you will have to wait for the body transportation contractors to arrive and move it. Eight hours after the incident, the scene was completely released. The company police were able to negotiate movements on the other track after dealing with the coroner.
You locality may vary.
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Murphy SidingHow is this not considered sniping?
Because it is not. If this person is naive enough to believe that an engineer who just ran over and killed a trespasser volunteered to retrieve body parts from his consist to aid the ME in his investigation and mitigate further delay to his train then he is naive enough to buy a bridge on Brooklyn. No sniping, an accurate assessment.
SD70DudeIMO, Zardoz has proven himself to be a reliable source on here over the years. If he says he did it, then it happened.
Give it some more thought.
zugmannDon't be stealing my title.
Your title remains intact.
243129 SD70Dude IMO, Zardoz has proven himself to be a reliable source on here over the years. If he says he did it, then it happened. Give it some more thought.
SD70Dude IMO, Zardoz has proven himself to be a reliable source on here over the years. If he says he did it, then it happened.
You still haven't responded to my proposed real estate deal. I really do want that bridge!
I plan to paint it gold and plaster my name all over it!
From the CSX Safe Way Manual. This sounds like what I would generally expect to be the official position of all class 1 railroads:
GS-9. Avoiding Human Remains, Blood, or other Fluids
After any accident or incident where human remains, blood, or other fluids are observed on company equipment or property:
A. Avoidance and Notification
• Do not attempt to remove or clean this matter; it is not your responsibility.
• Promptly notify your supervisor, train dispatcher or yardmaster so that appropriate action can be taken to perform any necessary cleaning of equipment as soon as possible.
If you should come in contact with human remains, blood, or other fluids, immediately wash the contact area then report to the nearest medical facility for further examination.
EuclidFrom the CSX Safe Way Manual. This sounds like what I would generally expect to be the official position of all class 1 railroads: GS-9. Avoiding Human Remains, Blood, or other Fluids After any accident or incident where human remains, blood, or other fluids are observed on company equipment or property: A. Avoidance and Notification • Do not attempt to remove or clean this matter; it is not your responsibility. • Promptly notify your supervisor, train dispatcher or yardmaster so that appropriate action can be taken to perform any necessary cleaning of equipment as soon as possible. If you should come in contact with human remains, blood, or other fluids, immediately wash the contact area then report to the nearest medical facility for further examination.
And after every other organization says its not their job - you get some cardboard and a sharpie and make up a CLOSED sign.
Euclid From the CSX Safe Way Manual. This sounds like what I would generally expect to be the official position of all class 1 railroads: GS-9. Avoiding Human Remains, Blood, or other Fluids After any accident or incident where human remains, blood, or other fluids are observed on company equipment or property: A. Avoidance and Notification • Do not attempt to remove or clean this matter; it is not your responsibility. • Promptly notify your supervisor, train dispatcher or yardmaster so that appropriate action can be taken to perform any necessary cleaning of equipment as soon as possible. If you should come in contact with human remains, blood, or other fluids, immediately wash the contact area then report to the nearest medical facility for further examination.
I can't find anything like that in our G.O.I. All I can find is this:
4.1(b) INJURIES TO PASSENGERS, EMPLOYEES AND OTHERS
(ii) If a fatally injured person is found on or near the right-of-way, a guard shall be left with it until the Coroner or Police have been notified and the proper authorization has been received. Whenever a person is fatally injured in, or by the operation of trains, either as the result of a derailment, a grade crossing accident, or otherwise, the body must not be removed unless and until the authorization of some local municipal officer has been obtained (same principle Canada/US).
BaltACD charlie hebdo I don't doubt what Zardoz said. However, in Illinois this would be very unusual. The staff from the county coroner's office are assigned the duty of retrieval of body parts. Local police may assist but it is considered a crime scene. Neither the train nor its operating personnel can leave until the law enforcement agencies release them. Different localities - different rules. In one case I dealt with the Police would not release the scene until the Coroner had pronounced the tri-part body dead and it was removed from the scene. Three hours after the police, through their channels, requested the coroner he showed up and pronounced the individaul dead. When asked by Company Police that I had requested to respond to the scene, about body removal - the coroner replied 'Not my Job you will have to wait for the body transportation contractors to arrive and move it. Eight hours after the incident, the scene was completely released. The company police were able to negotiate movements on the other track after dealing with the coroner. You locality may vary.
charlie hebdo I don't doubt what Zardoz said. However, in Illinois this would be very unusual. The staff from the county coroner's office are assigned the duty of retrieval of body parts. Local police may assist but it is considered a crime scene. Neither the train nor its operating personnel can leave until the law enforcement agencies release them.
Zardoz ran commuter trains on the CNW and Metra, almost totally in Illinois, unless his accident occurred near Kenosha, just over the WI border. I am citing the practice in Illinois. It is a statewide practice, not by county or locale. I believe him but his experience is an anomaly.
The issue is that it is in very bad taste to give the victim the approbation of Darwin candidate/winner just because doing so salves one's guilt or ego. If any of you think it's fine, try telling that to the victim's family.
charlie hebdo The issue is that it is in very bad taste to give the victim the approbation of Darwin candidate/winner just because doing so salves one's guilt or ego. If any of you think it's fine, try telling that to the victim's family.
Exactly.
SD70Dude I plan to paint it gold and plaster my name all over it!
Now you sound like Trump. NO DEAL!
243129 SD70Dude I plan to paint it gold and plaster my name all over it! Now you sound like Trump. NO DEAL!
But it would be tremendous. A PERFECT BRIDGE!!!
SD70Dude 243129 SD70Dude I plan to paint it gold and plaster my name all over it! Now you sound like Trump. NO DEAL! But it would be tremendous. A PERFECT BRIDGE!!!
And I suppose Mexico would pay for it?
243129 SD70Dude 243129 SD70Dude I plan to paint it gold and plaster my name all over it! Now you sound like Trump. NO DEAL! But it would be tremendous. A PERFECT BRIDGE!!! And I suppose Mexico would pay for it?
But of course, now you're catching on!
They already paid for the wall around my oceanfront development in south Arizona, a bridge shouldn't be a problem.
243129 zugmann That's ok, I don't think most of us believe half of what that other person in the argument says on here, either. The 'sniper' surfaces.
zugmann That's ok, I don't think most of us believe half of what that other person in the argument says on here, either.
I used to know real snipers. Great guys! And given to pithy sayings too, such as...
"Don't run. You'll only die tired!"
Semper Fi!
243129Your title remains intact.
Awesome!
Nevermind.
zugmann 243129 Your title remains intact. Awesome!
243129 Your title remains intact.
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