BaltACD I don't have the details on what is required to create carbon fiber that is used in 'making things'! What I do know from my association with carbon fiber products from my racing. Carbon Fiber anything is multiple times more expensive than the 'same object' manufactured from other materials. Lighter but more expensive.
I don't have the details on what is required to create carbon fiber that is used in 'making things'! What I do know from my association with carbon fiber products from my racing. Carbon Fiber anything is multiple times more expensive than the 'same object' manufactured from other materials. Lighter but more expensive.
I have seen carbon fiber being made. Process starts with spools of polyacetylnitrile (PAN) in the form for the fiber end product. The PAN is baked in an oven to get rid of the hydrogen and nitrogen in the PAN, giving off HCN (cyanide gas) in the process. To make use of the fiber, it is usually necessary to impregnate the fiber with a resin (pre-preg). While the carbon fiber composite doesn't rust, it is vulnerable to UV, ozone and some other chemicals.
I suspect the amount of energy needed to make a given stuctural element with carbon fiber is probably similar to a structural element with the same rating made with steel. For a vehicle, the lighter weight may lead to fuel savings.
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zardoz BaltACD Where is another Krakatoa eruption when you need to cool things off! Be careful what you wish for...
BaltACD Where is another Krakatoa eruption when you need to cool things off!
Where is another Krakatoa eruption when you need to cool things off!
Be careful what you wish for...
Unfortunately we can't help you on that one. Lady Firestorm borrowed the switch-box key from Pele the Volcano Goddess and lost it.
It didn't help when Ginger the Attack Basset slobbered on Pele's muumuu either.
They haven't spoken since.
This is a plant we take cryobags into from time to time and have to deal with this BULLCRAP from hell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFWjAHXv75g
Shadow the Cats ownerThis is a plant we take cryobags into from time to time and have to deal with this BULLCRAP from hell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFWjAHXv75g
Hope your drivers deal with it better than that one in the video that tried to commit murder.
Whether you agree with a protest or not, no excuse for that behavior.
The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.
seppburgh2Provine fact. Tomorrow morning the sun will rise in the East. The earth will warm. The sun sets in the West, night comes and the earth cools.
No, this is a Provine fact...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QN_C0dOUpk
zugmann Shadow the Cats owner This is a plant we take cryobags into from time to time and have to deal with this BULLCRAP from hell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFWjAHXv75g Hope your drivers deal with it better than that one in the video that tried to commit murder. Whether you agree with a protest or not, no excuse for that behavior.
Shadow the Cats owner This is a plant we take cryobags into from time to time and have to deal with this BULLCRAP from hell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFWjAHXv75g
After that one the city agreed that the protesters where being way to agressive in their attempts to stop and also the idiots that were putting their hands into the trailers where actually putting paint on the pigs in an attempt to prevent the loads from be accepted. Smithfield threatened to shut down the plant and the loss of close to 500 jobs got the cities attention. So the protestors are now banned from the road into and out of the plant property and restricted to across the road. The driver never even got a ticket for his actions.
Shadow the Cats ownerThe driver never even got a ticket for his actions.
Doesn't excuse him. Just shows industry has power in local governments.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Then what are the police supposed to do when Animal protesters do things like this to farmer and his business and totally cross the line. This group in California it was threatening to do the same thing to Smithfield and other larger meat processing plants nationwide. Yes farmers that deal with meat processers are having to deal with groups like this all the time anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp8-rYqCAnM&t=745s
There's a saying, I don't know who to credit it to, but it goes like this...
"Your right to swing your arm STOPS where it intersects with the end of my nose!"
The point being, in this case anyway, is if these folks want to live vegan that's fine, no-ones stopping them. It's their trying to force their lifestyle on everyone else and causing mayhem in the process that's wrong, wrong, wrong.
A good way to lose friends and make enemies.
Whatever happened to "Live and let live?" Be a better world if everyone followed that rule. I try to live that way. It's not hard either.
There's a reason live and let live doesn't apply in public anymore. But discussing it violates forum rules.
Modeling the Cleveland and Pittsburgh during the PennCentral era starting on the Cleveland lakefront and ending in Mingo junction
ruderunner There's a reason live and let live doesn't apply in public anymore. But discussing it violates forum rules.
Right, it ain't railroadin'!
Shadow the Cats ownerThen what are the police supposed to do when Animal protesters do things like this to farmer and his business and totally cross the line. This group in California it was threatening to do the same thing to Smithfield and other larger meat processing plants nationwide. Yes farmers that deal with meat processers are having to deal with groups like this all the time anymore.
I hope the police don't run into them with a truck.
They weren't protesting trains.. they were using the trains to maximize their disruption (and publicity). I say more power to them. Protesting does have an impact.. Scientists are pretty much in agreement that man made climate change is real, and that we need to change our consumer habits and adapt.. We seem to be moving in the right direction albeit not fast enough. The flooding, the storms, and the fires are worse every year.. here we've had two "once in a thousand year" flooding events in just two years. About hypocrisy.. we're all guilty of it to some degree... shouldn't stop us from trying to do better.
UlrichI say more power to them. Protesting does have an impact.. Scientists are pretty much in agreement that man made climate change is real, and that we need to change our consumer habits and adapt.. We seem to be moving in the right direction albeit not fast enough. The flooding, the storms, and the fires are worse every year.. here we've had two "once in a thousand year" flooding events in just two years.
Bad news, then: your only hope lies with places like Intellectual Ventures in Seattle, who have devised expedient (if somewhat expensive and highly Langmuirean) ways of reversing any effects of 'global warming' whether anthropogenic or 'natural' within a timeframe of, say, mere decades. They can do it relative to 'symptomatic areas', too, in case you want to pick and choose what plague spots to address first or with a limited budget.
Sanctioning idiot action which affects innocent others is, frankly, a dumb idea which grows alarming the faster you rationalize it. Arthur Harris has a monument in London for a very, very similar idea regarding German 'civilian' contribution to war effort. It's but a short and highly 'tribo-gravitically enhanced' step to the kind of Maoist 'demonstrations with teeth' that we have seen in, say, Peru.
I'm all in favor of high-profile consciousness-raising on issues that are important to people. I'm even in favor of high-profile stupidity serving as consciousness-raising ... as long as it doesn't open people to subsequent lawsuits related to stupid actions, as potentially here with operators of trains with people glued to them. But I'm also in moral favor of Wayne's observed summary duct-taping of nitwit traffic blockers, who should find their own 'bully pulpit' without ruining a large slice of ordinary people's lives for little actual purpose.
I agree.. but the protestors I'm sure knew they wouldn't operate the trains with them hanging off the sides. Just as strikers blocking access to a plant know that trucks aren't going to run them down at the gate. .. so they feel relatively safe walking in front of them with their placards. Protesting does work in garnering publicity and support that ultimately does challenge people to notice and think and perhaps to sway them at the ballot box.
UlrichProtesting does work in garnering publicity and support that ultimately does challenge people to notice and think and perhaps to sway them at the ballot box.
But how much better is directed grassroots action, with subsequent use of the organs of public information and publicity. Hearts and minds, rather than confrontation and annoyance.
I had hoped we had learned something about gadfly change since the era of 1960s demonstrations and Evelyn Y. Davis. Obama's two campaigns were models of 'what to do and how to do it' and, even absent the level of artificial intelligence he had to use, those methods work very well in directed consciousness-raising.
It's probably akin to why actual social justice isn't much fostered by SJWs ... but that's a different digression.
I may wax a little philosophical here, which usually isn't my thing, but please bear with me.
I suppose it's natural for some people, especially young people, to want to change the world. But as a lifelong student of history let me tell you that the people who've changed the world, really changed it, are those who never had any intention of doing so.
Johann Guttenberg, James Watt, Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, the Wright brothers, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and other innovators never set out to change the world, but change it they did. Their sole intention was to come up with a useful product or products that people would be willing to buy that maybe they could make a little money on. Goes without saying they succeeded beyond their wildest dreams, and then some.
For sheer impact I think I'd put Guttenberg at the top of the list, but that's another story.
On the other hand, it seems to me that those who did try to change the world into something more in line with their personal tastes left hell and chaos in their wake! John Brown, Adolf Hitler, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, and others I can't think of at the moment.
I've left out Vladimir Lenin and Joe Stalin. Thse guys weren't about change, they were about power. The Romanoff's had it, they wanted it, they got it.
There was One who set out deliberately to change the world for the better, and He did a pretty good job at it, and if we've failed Him since the time He walked the earth it's our fault, not His.
The thing is, societies do change over the years, usually for the better, but there will always be those impatient for the change. Human nature is what it is, it can't be forced into something it isn't or will never be, and it can't be rushed.
At any rate, irresponsible shenanigans accomplish nothing other than to make the perpetrators look ridiculous and alienate those who's minds aren't made up.
I don't know. Maybe the hard-core enviros won't be happy until we give up all the trappings of modern society and move to "The Blue Lagoon."
Sorry folks, I LIKE the trappings and benefits of modern society! The "Blue Lagoon" is fantasy, not reality. Anyway, there aren't enough "Blue Lagoons" to go around to begin with.
Does any of what I've said make sense? I hope so.
Well said, Wayne.
Johnny
Thanks Johnny, I try my best.
Wayne
Flintlock76 OK, the next time this happens the police should just step aside and let the angry commuters deal with these Gaia The Earth Mother Goddess worshipers. Won't happen again, I guarantee you. Listen, back in the "Dubya" Bush years there was an anti-Iraq War protest on Route 4 eastbound in Northern New Jersey at the beginning of rush hour. The protesters thought blocking the highway was a good attention getter. Bad move. The found themselves dragged off the road by angry commuters and duct-taped to nearby telephone poles, light poles, and street signs. The duct tape came courtesy of some contractors on the way to a job. Goes without saying this was before the cops showed up. They didn't try it again. I should add that those angry Jersey commuters covered all points of the political spectrum. Conservative or liberal, Republican or Democrat, it didn't matter, unlike the protesters they had real jobs to get to.
OK, the next time this happens the police should just step aside and let the angry commuters deal with these Gaia The Earth Mother Goddess worshipers.
Won't happen again, I guarantee you.
Listen, back in the "Dubya" Bush years there was an anti-Iraq War protest on Route 4 eastbound in Northern New Jersey at the beginning of rush hour. The protesters thought blocking the highway was a good attention getter.
Bad move. The found themselves dragged off the road by angry commuters and duct-taped to nearby telephone poles, light poles, and street signs. The duct tape came courtesy of some contractors on the way to a job. Goes without saying this was before the cops showed up.
They didn't try it again.
I should add that those angry Jersey commuters covered all points of the political spectrum. Conservative or liberal, Republican or Democrat, it didn't matter, unlike the protesters they had real jobs to get to.
When I worked in DC, there were protests there and in many other places by the loons protesting the "1-percenters" and all the perceived injustices the 1-percenters caused. The protesters would stop traffic in the middle of the day and cause all the mayhem they could. I often wished they would be foolish enough to interfere with the homebound commute at the end of the day. If they had, the cops would have had to pick up the body parts with front-end loaders, and there would have been a lot fewer protesters around the next day.
Good Lord SALfan, I'm glad the body-parts thing never happened!
Trust me, duct-tape's all that's needed. Good stuff, that duct-tape.
Maybe I should add the inventor of the same to the list of guys that changed the world!
The loons protesting the 1 percenters.. surely they can't mean we're getting screwed from the top down because we all know that's not happening.
speaking of duct tape- here's the legendary Red Green on the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhSqvycZZ0c
Great stuff from ol' Red! As always!
Besides the guy who invented it, you know who's another genius? The guy who came up with the machinery to produce it! Just amazing!
Ulrich The loons protesting the 1 percenters.. surely they can't mean we're getting screwed from the top down because we all know that's not happening.
Flintlock76 Good Lord SALfan, I'm glad the body-parts thing never happened! Trust me, duct-tape's all that's needed. Good stuff, that duct-tape. Maybe I should add the inventor of the same to the list of guys that changed the world!
Hey, after the hassles of getting into town, and the hassles of working all day, and the hassles of starting the outbound commute, if you trap a homebound DC commuter in their automobile or bus or subway car because you are committing stupid antics to attract attention, things will get really ugly really quickly.
BaltACD
Yeoow! Like Cheech & Chong, Up In Smoke!!!
I am surprised no one mentioned this: https://www.theblaze.com/news/woman-glues-breasts-to-ground-in-climate-protest
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Maybe because you don't see "anything" in that linked article?
Oh yeah, that Yellowstone super caldera. You know, if the evironmentalist wackos think mankind is a blight on Mother Earth, and she'd be better off without us, (I do get that impression from some of them!) they're probably hoping that super-volcano DOES cut loose and removes us all! Probably the only thing that'll really make them happy.
Like the man said, be careful what you wish for!
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