Protesters glue themselves to the top of a train
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/17/uk/extinction-rebellion-london-train-gbr-intl/index.html
This action is really stupid, unless the protesters want zero transportation, and thus bring the world to a halt. They are protesting the most efficient method of transport, except perhaps for floating down a river (with the environmental risk to the water).
The changing climate is a very serious situation. And whether human activity is mostly responsible or it is a natural variation, the results are what we need to concerned about. Do we alter our entire system of energy production and use, or do we start preparing for mass migrations as vast parts of the globe become inhabitable for mammals and/or unsuitable for agriculture?
Of course, we could (and likely will) do nothing, and let our fate be in the hands of whatever forces shape our destiny (not that has worked too well in the past).
zardoz Protesters glue themselves to the top of a train https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/17/uk/extinction-rebellion-london-train-gbr-intl/index.html This action is really stupid, unless the protesters want zero transportation, and thus bring the world to a halt. They are protesting the most efficient method of transport, except perhaps for floating down a river (with the environmental risk to the water). The changing climate is a very serious situation. And whether human activity is mostly responsible or it is a natural variation, the results are what we need to concerned about. Do we alter our entire system of energy production and use, or do we start preparing for mass migrations as vast parts of the globe become inhabitable for mammals and/or unsuitable for agriculture? Of course, we could (and likely will) do nothing, and let our fate be in the hands of whatever forces shape our destiny (not that has worked too well in the past).
mudchickenSounds like the next generation of EarthFirst nuts from the late 80's. Southern Pacific handled those nuts in the great granola bowl with the appropriate response.
OK, the next time this happens the police should just step aside and let the angry commuters deal with these Gaia The Earth Mother Goddess worshipers.
Won't happen again, I guarantee you.
Listen, back in the "Dubya" Bush years there was an anti-Iraq War protest on Route 4 eastbound in Northern New Jersey at the beginning of rush hour. The protesters thought blocking the highway was a good attention getter.
Bad move. The found themselves dragged off the road by angry commuters and duct-taped to nearby telephone poles, light poles, and street signs. The duct tape came courtesy of some contractors on the way to a job. Goes without saying this was before the cops showed up.
They didn't try it again.
I should add that those angry Jersey commuters covered all points of the political spectrum. Conservative or liberal, Republican or Democrat, it didn't matter, unlike the protesters they had real jobs to get to.
A bunch of loonies who just want to be heard for the sake of being heard.
Krakatoa dropped the average temperature of the earth by something like three degrees for several years.
It's man's conceit to think that mankind is solely responsible for climate change, as these loonies would have you believe.
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mudchickenSouthern Pacific handled those nuts in the great granola bowl with the appropriate response.
But what's the modern equivalent now that heating steam is no longer available?
Overmod mudchicken Southern Pacific handled those nuts in the great granola bowl with the appropriate response. But what's the modern equivalent now that heating steam is no longer available?
mudchicken Southern Pacific handled those nuts in the great granola bowl with the appropriate response.
These morons have nothing on the Vegan protestors that OTR drivers have to deal with going in and out of meat plants in some areas. Heck my own drivers have been stepped in front of delivering resin to meat plants. We haul the resins and the cryovac bags that are used to seal in the meat cuts after the animal is processed.
mudchicken Overmod mudchicken Southern Pacific handled those nuts in the great granola bowl with the appropriate response. But what's the modern equivalent now that heating steam is no longer available? The SP guys had encountered kooks at Pittsburgh, CA that had chained themselves to the track. To protect the chain and frustrate the local authorities, they did this under a giant box with EarthFirst plastered all over it with the rails passing through notches on the sides of the box.. SP track forces showed up with a track panel and a boom truck. Square cut the closest joints outside the box, the boom truck lifted the panel - box/people inside and all, dropped-in new panel. After the panel with the box was set aside, the sheriff waited for the thwarted contents of the box to get out. Problem solved.
The SP guys had encountered kooks at Pittsburgh, CA that had chained themselves to the track. To protect the chain and frustrate the local authorities, they did this under a giant box with EarthFirst plastered all over it with the rails passing through notches on the sides of the box.. SP track forces showed up with a track panel and a boom truck. Square cut the closest joints outside the box, the boom truck lifted the panel - box/people inside and all, dropped-in new panel. After the panel with the box was set aside, the sheriff waited for the thwarted contents of the box to get out. Problem solved.
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The woman who chained herself to a backhoe certainly outsmated herself.
Johnny
Degg, I don't think I would use the word smart in any form in that sentence.
Shadow the Cats ownerThese morons have nothing on the Vegan protestors....
rrnut282 Degg, I don't think I would use the word smart in any form in that sentence.
Well folks, a long, long time ago Teddy Roosevelt said that any organization, cause, or field of endevour is going to have it's "lunatic fringe."
And that was over 100 years ago. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
The problem now is the loons get all the press, seemingly to the exclusion of the more rational, and all that does is encourage more lunacy.
Flintlock76The problem now is the loons get all the press, seemingly to the exclusion of the more rational, and all that does is encourage more lunacy.
Perhaps it's something of a corrollary of "if it bleeds, it leads..."
Deggesty rrnut282 Degg, I don't think I would use the word smart in any form in that sentence. She thought she was smart. Often people who think they are smart in what they are doing show that they are not as bright as they thought they were, and often making great mistakes--as this woman found out.
She thought she was smart. Often people who think they are smart in what they are doing show that they are not as bright as they thought they were, and often making great mistakes--as this woman found out.
It is better to protest behind the yellow line and be thought a fool, instead of sticking yourself to the train and proving it to everyone!
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tree68 Flintlock76 The problem now is the loons get all the press, seemingly to the exclusion of the more rational, and all that does is encourage more lunacy. Perhaps it's something of a corrollary of "if it bleeds, it leads..."
Flintlock76 The problem now is the loons get all the press, seemingly to the exclusion of the more rational, and all that does is encourage more lunacy.
That's it brother. It may not be good journalism, but it's good television, if you know what I mean.
Hey, I even see it with those dopey "click-bait" headlines that have nothing to do with the substance of the story.
Whether or not you agree with the protesters, you certainly have to admire the effort. Seemed like a good idea, gluing ourselves to the top of te train, until we encountered that low tunnel...
Climate change is very real, but the cause is still in question. If we are not the cause, or the primary cause, there is likely little we can do as a cure.
Meanwhile the alarmists and extremists would have us undo civilization "just in case"?
What exactly would we be saving if we undo all we have accomplished to stop climate change?
If you believe in God, then you believe he has a plan. If you don't, then we are just really smart animals who may come and go like any other life form on this planet.
In either case it is likely out of our control.
My view, protesters don't have any right to interfere with peoples daily lives. If they do, they get whatever they get - injured, in jail, whatever.
Sheldon
Where is another Krakatoa eruption when you need to cool things off!
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Chris30 Whether or not you agree with the protesters, you certainly have to admire the effort. Seemed like a good idea, gluing ourselves to the top of te train, until we encountered that low tunnel...
...fortunately the protesters haven't tried gluing themselves to the roofs of trains where there are 25,000 volt OHLE cables about ('Extinction Rebellion' would certainly apply in that case!)
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BaltACD Where is another Krakatoa eruption when you need to cool things off!
zardoz BaltACD Where is another Krakatoa eruption when you need to cool things off! Be careful what you wish for...
Be careful what you wish for...
As long as the 'Ring of Fire' keeps on keeping on - all things are possible - good, bad or indifferent. If the Earth ever stops 'quakeing' we will be in BIG TROUBLE.
Wasn't it a chilly, wet summer after Mt. St. Helens erupted? I notice that the protesters glued themselves to the top of Docklands Light Railway cars. The DLR is all 3rd rail, so no chance of electrocution, especially for the first responders who have to deal with those idiots. I think climate change is real but protesting at an electric railway is totally stupid. They should have glued themselves to some diesel-burning HGVs (heavy goods vehicles which is the limey term for an 18-wheeler.)
So, instead of thinking up new ways to use the carbon we produce, they'd rather just create more CO2 on their own. What I'm surprised the most about is that so far no industry has tried to create more items from carbon fiber, such as shoe shanks, replacing the steel shanks in shoes with carbon fiber ones would create huge demand for carbon fiber, much more so than is used now. I think even enough demand that it would be plausible for an electric utility to explore capturing the output of coal fired power plants, separating the carbon from the CO2, releasing the pure oxygen into the atmosphere...manufacture carbon fiber and still have a negative carbon footprint even with all the additional manufacturing operations, but what do I know, I'm only a normal civilian.
GERALD L MCFARLANE JRSo, instead of thinking up new ways to use the carbon we produce, they'd rather just create more CO2 on their own. What I'm surprised the most about is that so far no industry has tried to create more items from carbon fiber, such as shoe shanks, replacing the steel shanks in shoes with carbon fiber ones would create huge demand for carbon fiber, much more so than is used now. I think even enough demand that it would be plausible for an electric utility to explore capturing the output of coal fired power plants, separating the carbon from the CO2, releasing the pure oxygen into the atmosphere...manufacture carbon fiber and still have a negative carbon footprint even with all the additional manufacturing operations, but what do I know, I'm only a normal civilian.
I don't have the details on what is required to create carbon fiber that is used in 'making things'! What I do know from my association with carbon fiber products from my racing. Carbon Fiber anything is multiple times more expensive than the 'same object' manufactured from other materials. Lighter but more expensive.
seppburgh2Provine fact. Tomorrow morning the sun will rise in the East. The earth will warm. The sun sets in the West, night comes and the earth cools.
And there is snow in Chicago & Milwaukee
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