QUOTE: Originally posted by bigedd Why should he e-mail you. What is he to gain.He paid his dues and does not have to prove any thing to any one. There was alot of drug and booze in the 70's and 80's. I know I seen alot of it and alot of use took are fellow workers home to cover it up. And again if it was not him it would of be some one else.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Rick Gates Sorry Kevin........There is no such thing as "Internet 101 class" however; there is "Networking For Dummies!" lol Just kidding. I've already talked with you on MSN. You must have been in a Permissive Block.......somewhere in the Twilight Zone........I'll try to email something or other..............maybe.......just because you got brass kid.[:-^]
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QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman I'm still in somewhat of disbelief, But i much rather talk to people one on one rather then over a big forum, that way i can understnad each and every one of you better.
QUOTE: Originally posted by creosote QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman I'm still in somewhat of disbelief, But i much rather talk to people one on one rather then over a big forum, that way i can understnad each and every one of you better. Four stars and 1157 posts... and you'd rather not talk on a forum?
QUOTE: Originally posted by Doggy OK Can we move on?
Originally posted by csxengineer98 doggy or puppy or what ever your name is agin i have the right to my oppion...you dont like what i have to say....then dont read my postings..simple as that... the last time i looked the 1st ammendment was still in in the Constitution....but i guess it only applys anymore in here to the status quo... and to make a one more point.....i am not alone in my feelings... a good friend of mine that is also an engineer for a major rail road feels the same way as i do...... and the 2 of us are not alone in our view of Billy " THE RAT" Gates... rail roaders are divided on the issue..some say it was for the best...and some say he sold out to save his own ***.... bottom line.... yes he screwed up.....and i will give him this..he did claim responsibily for his actions.... but when it came down his *** going to jail for life... he rolled over on his brothers..... this is how i feel...you dont like it...fine.... but you cant expect all the butt kissing of bill gates from people in this forum to be met without some resistance..... csx engineer CSXENGINEER You do have a right to say what you want also the point with the constution I was reading over it and the 1st amdnedment is still in it surprsly with BUSH WHO HIS SITS THEIR AND DOES NOTHING BUT GIVE HALLIBURTON CONTRACTS it's still in it and We're sorry if we made you fell bad by critizing you badly and I'm sorry I asked you to stop[B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)]. Also my name IS DOGGY so you won't mess up for the future not PUPPY OR DOTTY Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 8, 2004 8:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98 doddy, your the one that opened this can of worms..and now you want to move on.... i dont think so.. this is a hot topic and it has inpsired alot of debate on both sides...which is exactly what this forum is about...and needed agin... this forum was starting to get dry...more people making issues over how many stars they got now..insted of a real heart felt argument or debate over an issue... you look at threads of the past that have keep going and going..with fire and pashion on both sides of the issues...such as one that happend on here some time back over rail road crossing safty/who is liable... when the fourms are "lets start the ever ending story" are posted...its time to have someone post an issue that can and will start a good debait...which is what you did.... even though my views on this have been met with alot of resistance becouse of my feelings about ricky gates... it has keep this topic in the top 10 for weeks... besides.....debait and freedom to do so was 1 of the frounding prinsables of this country... to be allowed to express your oppion on something..even if it wasnt what the status qoe was talking.... our founding fathers where a bunch of people that connstilly annoyed and pissed eachother off on issues.....which as a result started this great nation in which you and i can express how we feel..... csx engineer THAT"S FUR SURE IT WAS GETTING DRY AND YOU BRING UP A POINT ABOUT NEVER ENDING STORIES THIS ONE WILL NEVER END UNLESS THE WORLD DOES Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 8, 2004 8:34 PM Awww, it's so sweet to see we're all getting along again... sniff, sniff. I'm getting velcempt, talk amongst yourselves! Topic of discussion: what do you railroad guys think of the new Power Break Law going into effect April 1?[#dots] Reply Edit AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,633 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Monday, March 8, 2004 10:52 PM N_Stephenson, Forgive my ignorance please. What is this "Power Brake Law"? "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 9, 2004 6:04 AM Basically, the names of the air brake tests are changing from Initial Terminal to Class 1, 1000 mile to class 1A, there's also a Class 2 and a Class 3. Conductors will have to fill out a piece of paper on the air brake test and document any cars that brakes don't operate and where they are in a train, etc. The air brake tests are also a little more extensive. This extra piece of paper sounds like more liability to me, and it doesn't suprise me in this blame-happy society. So like anything else in your line of work, make sure you cover your @$$. I'm still a newbie, so the veterans can probably give you a little more info on this.[C):-)] Reply Edit Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Tuesday, March 9, 2004 7:03 AM Mookie is pretty simple, but does enjoy the back and forth topics such as this. It makes you think a little and let's people express themselves. Kind of a roundtable discussion and usually very enlightening! Instead of just insulting each other, maybe we should try to nicely "challenge" each other to explain their words, Now there's a concept! She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,633 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, March 9, 2004 8:04 AM N_Stephenson, Thank you for the info! Seems like bueracracies continue to grow in this wonderful "lawsuit" world that, IMHO, "lack of accountability thinking" people have created. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 9, 2004 8:10 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by bigedd Kevin you have alot of opions about the 1970's for some one who never lived them.You were still in pampers in the 80's. Not making excuses it just the way it was. Even management turned a blind eye to alot of things they knew that was going on. You were not working for the railroads in the 70's 80's or the 90's.You seen to think you know alot since you worked for the railway for the short time that you have.The reason why we have drug testing is because of some of the things that have happened.You should know by now the railways to not changes things buy them self unless a problem comes up or it can save them money. Let me ask you this have you ever driven a car after a beer or two.I sure about 98 percent of the who drink have driven a car after they had a few beers same thing car or locomotive. Never. Never in my Life Have i driven Any Equipment That Requires 100% attention and focus after having one or two beer. The minute i even have a sip of alcohol, I'm not Driving. I'll walk home, And i like the exercise, i'll go pick up my car tommorow. I'm not lying, that is the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I would neevr get in the car with someone who has drank AT ALL, And when i go to clubs with Mu girlfriend, we don't have anyhtign to drink, because it's a lot more fun watching the Drunk people around you. And i will say this, It does not matter how the year ends, Be it in a 70, 80, 50, 60, 61,65,72,86, And any other Bingo number i didn't call, Does that Justify, because it is 1972, that You no longer have to practice self moderation, self control, self ability ot say no, Just because it is 1972? Thats Blamming Society for your individual problems. Bat start. Thats like telling me Oh the 90's Were Mcdonalds years, And we went to McDonalds BECAUSE everyone was doing it, And we all ordered burgers and got Fat, BUT hey, thats not our Fault, it's the fault of the ninties, man. Yeah, must be the '00's now, I'll try blamming the '00's next time i get in trouble with alchol, If i ever do ofcourse. Reply Edit Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Tuesday, March 9, 2004 1:31 PM Well, Kevin you do bring up a good point - accountability. Sometimes I think it went the way of Common Sense, but we do still need to have accountability. She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply Rick Gates Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Balto. MD 213 posts Posted by Rick Gates on Tuesday, March 9, 2004 3:26 PM Kevin...I've tried to send something to you a couple of times now and it keeps getting returned and unsent. Not enough memory on server access to get it to you. As for the comments to others on times past. They are refering to the "social climate" of the times. This is not something you can understand while applying your ideals, morals, and values . This is not an excuse for ditching any responsibility/accountability, just a revisionist view of how things were in those days. Hindsight may be 20/20, however you may never understand all of the dynamics that came into play to let this horrible accident occur without first keeping an open mind. Anger, resentments, and hostility in any form defocus the ability to understand and learn from our mistakes. So, if you wish, email me something on your main ISP account or clean up a messenger and, I will send you something. [X-)] Railroaders do it on steel Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 9, 2004 4:42 PM As csxenginner said last night this has been on the top 10 for alomost a month now and we need more debates like this not on the same subjects but on others instead of people wining about starts they got so I Think we need to have more good debates but they prorably wont match this one DOGGY Reply Edit Nora Member sinceJuly 2003 From: US 386 posts Posted by Nora on Tuesday, March 9, 2004 5:08 PM Kevin, When I was little I remember riding around in the "way back" of my parents' station wagon with no seat belt or anything. One of my earliest memories, in fact, is of sitting on my mom's lap, "driving" the car around the back roads where we lived. Neither of those things were any big deal back then even though they could have been extremely dangerous had there been an accident. Now it's rare to see that sort of thing and when it does happen it draws disapproving looks and comments. It's also illegal most places now, as far as I know. I'd never, ever drive my kids around if they weren't in their car seats. But if I'd been born 30 years earlier, I probably would have done the same as my parents did with me and never thought twice about it. My parents weren't bad parents, but it's hard in hindsight to see how it didn't occur to them that what they were doing was potentially dangerous. They probably never thought about it because that was just what a lot of people did then. It's not a perfect analogy, but my point is that unless you have lived through a certain time and situation, you can't totally understand what it was like. I'm not going to comment on the specific situation/accident in question, because I'd never even heard about it until this thread came up a couple months ago. The two articles I've read about it since that time had contradictory details, so I'm just figuring I don't really know anything about it for sure except that there WAS an accident. My point is just that I can see how culture, society, and the railroads could have been very different at that time, and I don't think that automatically translates to "blaming society for their individual problems." Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 9, 2004 6:08 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98 doddy, your the one that opened this can of worms..and now you want to move on.... i dont think so.. this is a hot topic and it has inpsired alot of debate on both sides...which is exactly what this forum is about...and needed agin... this forum was starting to get dry...more people making issues over how many stars they got now..insted of a real heart felt argument or debate over an issue... you look at threads of the past that have keep going and going..with fire and pashion on both sides of the issues...such as one that happend on here some time back over rail road crossing safty/who is liable... when the fourms are "lets start the ever ending story" are posted...its time to have someone post an issue that can and will start a good debait...which is what you did.... even though my views on this have been met with alot of resistance becouse of my feelings about ricky gates... it has keep this topic in the top 10 for weeks... besides.....debait and freedom to do so was 1 of the frounding prinsables of this country... to be allowed to express your oppion on something..even if it wasnt what the status qoe was talking.... our founding fathers where a bunch of people that connstilly annoyed and pissed eachother off on issues.....which as a result started this great nation in which you and i can express how we feel..... csx engineer
"I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!"
She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw
QUOTE: Originally posted by bigedd Kevin you have alot of opions about the 1970's for some one who never lived them.You were still in pampers in the 80's. Not making excuses it just the way it was. Even management turned a blind eye to alot of things they knew that was going on. You were not working for the railroads in the 70's 80's or the 90's.You seen to think you know alot since you worked for the railway for the short time that you have.The reason why we have drug testing is because of some of the things that have happened.You should know by now the railways to not changes things buy them self unless a problem comes up or it can save them money. Let me ask you this have you ever driven a car after a beer or two.I sure about 98 percent of the who drink have driven a car after they had a few beers same thing car or locomotive.
QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman So he did go to his sociology Classes after all!
QUOTE: Originally posted by Doggy QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman So he did go to his sociology Classes after all! Kevin, So who are talking about with this sociology Class if you are taliking about me I don't get what you talking about DOGGY
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