Before we leave the Train of Tomorrow, I believe its eventual assignment, where I rode it, was in Seattle - Portland pool service. Which railroad actually operated it? NP. UP, or GN?
Al, yes the Monon, 278 miles Chicago Dearborn to French Lick Springs Hotel, May 26, 1947. Return trip the next day. Your turn.
I believe it traveled on the MONON from Chicago to French Lick and back.
Al - in - Stockton
Or was it the NYO&W?
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The Baltimore and Ohio according to my somewhat dim memory.
Where on what railroad did the Train of Tomorrow go on its inaugural run?
Mike
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wanswheel Mark, good luck at your new address: 77 Sunset Strip Johnny, is this the route? UP - West Yellowstone to Kansas City Wabash - Kansas City to St. Louis L&N - St. Louis to Nashville NC&SL - Nashville to Atlanta C of G - Atlanta to Albany ACL - Albany to Jacksonville Mike
Mark, good luck at your new address: 77 Sunset Strip
Johnny, is this the route?
UP - West Yellowstone to Kansas City
Wabash - Kansas City to St. Louis
L&N - St. Louis to Nashville
NC&SL - Nashville to Atlanta
C of G - Atlanta to Albany
ACL - Albany to Jacksonville
You, of of course now have the obligation to ask us a question.
As an aside, are you following the discussion of "Gasoline Powered Loco" in General Discussion in the Trains Magazine Forum?
Johnny
AWP290 No need to toss a coin, Johnny was first in with the answer, no question about it. According to an AAR booklet dated 1948, both the Flyer and the Limited ran through to Miami via the route mentioned. (C&EI/L&N/NC&StL/CofG/ACL/FEC) The Flagler, by this time (1948) ran via C&EI/NC&StL/L&N/ACL/FEC. Go to it, Johnny! Bob
No need to toss a coin, Johnny was first in with the answer, no question about it.
According to an AAR booklet dated 1948, both the Flyer and the Limited ran through to Miami via the route mentioned. (C&EI/L&N/NC&StL/CofG/ACL/FEC)
The Flagler, by this time (1948) ran via C&EI/NC&StL/L&N/ACL/FEC.
Go to it, Johnny!
Bob
New question: In the summer of 1925, the Pullman company operated a sleeper line between West Yellowstone, Mont., and Jacksonville, Fla. This service apparently did not ring a bell with the traveling public, since it was for one summer season only. Unless you have the actual information (I don't), don't bother about train names or the times of day. Tell us what railroads handled the car, and where it was switched from one road to another.
The Dixie Flagler is the train I had in mind and Johnny's 100% correct about its route. Bob, I thought the Dixie Flyer/Dixie Ltd ran only to Jacksonville and not on to Miami over the FEC. I believe they did however carry through sleepers to both west coast points and Miami that ran in connecting trains of the ACL and FEC south of Jacksonville. If you're correct about either running over the FEC to Miami then you and Johnny will have to toss a coin (or cut cards or arm wrestle) to see who gets to ask the next question.
Mark
The Dixie Flyer/Dixie Limited ran over six roads until 1952, when they were rerouted via ACL (former AB&C) out of Atlanta. Until that time the routing was C&EI/L&N/NC&StL/CofG/ACL/FEC.
And Johnny, I thought of the Dixie Flagler on the AB&C, too, but felt that the 1950's portion of Mark's question. We're on the same lines, anyway.
Bob Hanson, Loganville, GA
The only one with six that I could think of was the Dixie Flagler, before the AB&C was folded into the ACL.
C&EI: Chicago-Evansville
L&N: Evansville-Nashville
NC&StL: Nashville-Atlanta
AB&C: Atlanta-Waycross
ACL: Waycross-Jacksonville
FEC: Jacksonville-Miami
AWP290 The most roads in one route that I can come up with are six. Am I even in the ball park? (And this one is supposed to be easier than the previous question?) Bob
The most roads in one route that I can come up with are six.
Am I even in the ball park?
(And this one is supposed to be easier than the previous question?)
Bob,
You're not only in the ball park but you're close to scoring a run. The train I had in mind ran over six roads. Just name the train, the different roads over which it ran and the end point cities/towns of each roads segment of the route.
Of course there's a possibility someone else knows of a route involving more railroads that I've overlooked
After that toughie about the Georgia RR's Pullmans I'll change the pace and throw out one that should be pretty easy.
In the 1940's and '50's the route of what through passenger train took it over more different railroads than any other. Do not count trackage rights or terminal railroads such as the TRRA; just the roads for which a passenger travelling the entire route would have a ticket coupon.
Also name all the railroads that handled this train and the cities/towns which it ran between on each road.
Maybe we ought to cut this one loose and move on to another question. Apparently I got a tad too esoteric on this one. The cars I'm looking for are Aiken, Augusta, Penelope, and Gertrude. The former two providing service in the earlier years and the latter pair replacing them. Only the afternoon trains provided this service which was ended in 1927.
Mark, you were apparently only seconds behind me in providing the answer to the CGW question, so would you like to field the next one?
Texas Zepher AWP290 it offered Pullman-operated food service in Pullman parlor-broiler-buffet cars. Well, I've found several references to parlor-broiler-buffet cars but none seem to have any possible relation with the Georgia Railroad. I can find a few references to the Georgia Railroad but it is all coach equipment.
AWP290 it offered Pullman-operated food service in Pullman parlor-broiler-buffet cars.
Alastair (renamed Rumson in 1929) and Angeline (18 seats-Buffet-Lounge) were built for the Royal Blue in 1916. Also built in 1916, for NH general service were four 18 seat-Lounge cars, named Charles River, Charter Oak, Fall River, and Fox Point.
The June, 1930, Guide, shows a Pullman parlor car on the afternoon trains from Atlanta and from Augusta; in the Twenties there may well have been parlor service on the morning trains from both cities as well--which would have have required the use of four cars.
I have no other ideas.
Thanks, Mark, for your concern, but my only problem with the floods in Atlanta was that of inconvenience. A great many roads were flooded, washed out, or both making getting around metro-Atlanta an obstacle course. Also, US 78 (the Stone Mountain Freeway) was completely blocked by a mud slide! This is the only time I've ever heard of this happening anywhere in Georgia!
Oh, yeah - the NS main line was completely washed out between Atlanta and Birmingham/Chattanooga.
Now, back to our program....
While the Georgia Railroad never operated any full dining car service, in the 1920's it offered Pullman-operated food service in Pullman parlor-broiler-buffet cars. There were two sets of cars (four total) that provided this service. Name any one of them. (I know this is an obscure question - aren't they all? - but I also know of two different sources where the info is available.)
AWP290 If I recall correctly these cars had a special side door for the admission of stretcher patients en route to the Mayo Clinic, it being impossible to get stretchers around the sharp turns in a Pullman aisle. (A lesson re-learned in WWII with hospital cars converted from standard Pullmans.) Don't know which of the accommodations had this door. Bob Hanson, Loganville, GA
If I recall correctly these cars had a special side door for the admission of stretcher patients en route to the Mayo Clinic, it being impossible to get stretchers around the sharp turns in a Pullman aisle. (A lesson re-learned in WWII with hospital cars converted from standard Pullmans.) Don't know which of the accommodations had this door.
Yes, Mark, Bob is right, in essence. Now, I find it interesting that even though the cars were supposedly built in 1929, the June, 1930, issue of the Guide does not list this arrangement of accomodations in the equipment of the Rochester-Minnesota Special. It is listed in the February, 1950 issue, complete with a description of the exterior two doors that are opposite the interior doors to Bedrooms C and D (B&C, and D&E, could be sold en suite.). Thus a stretcher could be taken directly into C and D, provided, of course, that you had a platform or a lift beside the exterior doors.
Also of interest is the drawing of the floor plan, and the photograph of "Ephraim McDowell," both of which show a third exterior side door at the end of the section section of the car. Apparently it was there to permit bringing a stretcher in so it could be carried into the drawing room, but I have seen no mention of this door at all.
Joseph Lister was the pioneer in the use of antiseptics (we all know of a product named for him). Ephraim McDowell also emphasized extreme cleanliness, especially in surgical procedures. He performed the first ovariotomy--without anesthesia--successfully (look him up in Wikipedia; not mentioned in the Wikipedia article is the patient's way of keeping her mind off what Dr. McDowell was doing--she sang hymns throughout the whole procedure).
So, Bob, you have the honor of proposing a question.
Good job Bob. You beat me to it with what I think is the correct answer. I hope you weren't affected by the recent floods in the Atlanta area.
Rochester, MN....Mayo Clinic....then: tongue depresser? Stethescope? R----l thermometer?
KCSfan Johnny, you take the next question. I've had quite a few lately and the Larks were definitely the harder pair to identify. Mark
Johnny, you take the next question. I've had quite a few lately and the Larks were definitely the harder pair to identify.
Here is one that I have thought of from time to time, but not when I had the opportunity to pose.
In 1929, Pullman built two cars to be used on the CNW’s Rochester Special (in later years, it was called the Rochester-Minnesota Special), which provided overnight service between Chicago and Rochester, Minn.
These cars, "Joseph Lister" and "Ephraim McDowell," were unique not only in their floor plan (8 sections, drawing room, and 4 double bedrooms), but also in an external feature.
What was this external feature? (hint–for what was Rochester, Minnesota, noted for many years?)
daveklepperNever knew about the Texas Larks. What years did they run?
Never knew about the Texas Larks. What years did they run?
The San Antonio-Dallas Lark existed in the late 1920's. It was cut back to a San Antonio-Hearne run in 1932 and was gone shortly afterwards.
In the late 1920's, the Louisville and Nashville also operated a Lark between Ocean Springs and New Orleans.
DeggestyThe SP had two sets of birds that were operated in both Texas and California. Not only did the Owls fly in both states, the Larks flew in both states. The California trains Larks ran, of course, between Los Angeles and San Francisco/Oakland, and the Texas trains Larks ran betweenm Dallas and San Antonio. Johnny
The SP had two sets of birds that were operated in both Texas and California. Not only did the Owls fly in both states, the Larks flew in both states. The California trains Larks ran, of course, between Los Angeles and San Francisco/Oakland, and the Texas trains Larks ran betweenm Dallas and San Antonio.
Yep, it was the Owl and the Lark. Mark got one and you got the other one. Do you two want to toss a coin to see who will ask the next question?
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