Classic Train Questions Part Deux (50 Years or Older)

[wanswheel]

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Does the railroad's name have a city?

[KCSfan]

Was one of its end point terminals a city on the Mississippi River? (eg: Minneapolis/St. Paul, St. Louis, Memphis)

Mark

[passengerfan]

daveklepper

Did it have at least one West Coast terminal.   I am not picky.   Portland and Seattle are west coast terminals even if not directly on the west coast.   So is Oakland (and Emeryville, but that didn't exist as a terminal 50 years ago.

(3) No

[daveklepper]

Did it have at least one West Coast terminal.   I am not picky.   Portland and Seattle are west coast terminals even if not directly on the west coast.   So is Oakland (and Emeryville, but that didn't exist as a terminal 50 years ago.

[passengerfan]

KCSfan

Was Chicago one of its end point terminals?

Mark

(2) No

[KCSfan]

Was Chicago one of its end point terminals?

Mark

[passengerfan]

daveklepper

I think it is a good question whether or not RDC trains (not the New Haven Budd Hot Rod with its sloped ends) can be called streamliners.   Another good question is if Budd RDC trains can be called diesel interurban trains.   (The Boston Herald called the original New York Central Budd RDC-1 on the Boston and Albany "a new interurban car.")

Coming to the computer terminal this morning, I thought of the Caribou Daylight (road it only as far as Lillouiette) but didn't get here in time.

So I'll ask the first question:   Did it have a East Coast (NOT GULF OF MEXICO) terminal?

(1) No

[daveklepper]

I think it is a good question whether or not RDC trains (not the New Haven Budd Hot Rod with its sloped ends) can be called streamliners.   Another good question is if Budd RDC trains can be called diesel interurban trains.   (The Boston Herald called the original New York Central Budd RDC-1 on the Boston and Albany "a new interurban car.")

Coming to the computer terminal this morning, I thought of the Caribou Daylight (road it only as far as Lillouiette) but didn't get here in time.

So I'll ask the first question:   Did it have a East Coast (NOT GULF OF MEXICO) terminal?

[passengerfan]

KCSfan

Al,

What happens now since no one was able to identify the train? I guess you could either ask another question or declare whoever got the most yes answers the winner. Seems to me it's your call.

Mark

Will try one more twenty questions. I am thinking of a train name the train the RR and end points?

Al in Stockton

[KCSfan]

Al,

What happens now since no one was able to identify the train? I guess you could either ask another question or declare whoever got the most yes answers the winner. Seems to me it's your call.

Mark

[passengerfan]

 

[passengerfan]

Texas Zepher

wanswheel

Hey! That wasn't even one question. Is it not the Cascadian?

The Cascadian terminated in Portland.  The answer to whether one of the train's terminus was Portland was No, so it cannot be the Cascadian.  I was headed toward the Internationals, but I was hoping someone might know if some railroad had a train (SP&S)  from Seattle to Pasco, or Seattle to Spokane.  Or even if there was a named train from Seatle to Tacoma.   And this is NOT a question either.

The Cascade terminated in Portland being a SP train operating between San Francisco(Oakland) and Portland overnight. The Cascadian was a GN train that operated a very slow 12 hour daytime schedule in both directions between Seattle and Spokane. The Columbia River Express was a SP&S train between Portland and Spokane. As far as I know the Columbia River Express never attained streamliner status. The Streamliner of the SP&S was named simply the Streamliner and operated between Portland and Spokane in both directions carrying SP&S cars and through NP cars for the NCL to Chicago that it dropped at Pasco and through GN cars for the Empire Builder which it carried to Spokane for through service to and from Chicago. No named trains between Seattle and Tacoma although passengers were allowed to board the Olympian Hiawatha between Seattle and Tacoma its actual terminal city and tickets of the GN-NP-UP or CMSTP&P were honored so I guess that makes the Olympian Hiawatha a named train between Seattle and Tacoma and it would be the only one as all Seattle - Portland trains of the UP-GN-NP pool were numbered only in the 450s. In spite of RR lore there never was officially a City of Seattle operated by the UP between Seattle and Portland.

Al - in - Stockton.   

[passengerfan]

KCSfan

The Internationals would have been my next guess also but rather than wait for the yes or no answer to that question I'll throw another one in the hopper. Was it the Aurora of the Alaska Railroad? Though I wouldn't ordinarily consider it to be a west coast train I believe it would technically fit that criterion.

Mark

Thats question 20 and the answer is no.

So now I have to give the answer. The Answer is the Cariboo Dayliner of the PG&E inaugurated with streamlined Budd RDCs in 1956 between North Vancouver and Prince George BC. Definitely a west coast train and definitely a class one. And 1956 makes it at least fifty years old.

Al - in - Stockton

 

[passengerfan]

ZephyrOverland

 Is the train the GN Seattle-Vancouver International?

(19) No

[KCSfan]

The Internationals would have been my next guess also but rather than wait for the yes or no answer to that question I'll throw another one in the hopper. Was it the Aurora of the Alaska Railroad? Though I wouldn't ordinarily consider it to be a west coast train I believe it would technically fit that criterion.

Mark

[Texas Zepher]

ZephyrOverland

Texas Zepher

wanswheel

  ...but I was hoping someone might know if some railroad had a train (SP&S)  from Seattle to Pasco, or Seattle to Spokane.  Or even if there was a named train from Seattle to Tacoma. 

 The SP&S route was Spokane-Pasco-Portland only.  Besides providing the Portland connection to the GN and NP trains, their only named passenger train of note was the Spokane-Portland Columbia River Express. 

As far as I know, there was never a named Seattle-Tacoma train - its only about 40 miles between the cities.

Yes, I've driven it many times!   That agrees with what I thought I knew.  I just wasn't certain of my knowledge to go ahead a post the question.  Especially without the knowing the answer to the interurban question.  Seems like at one time there was a named train to Astoria OR., but thinking about it now that was probably NOT a streamliner.

This is NOT a question. :-)

[ZephyrOverland]

Texas Zepher

wanswheel

  ...but I was hoping someone might know if some railroad had a train (SP&S)  from Seattle to Pasco, or Seattle to Spokane.  Or even if there was a named train from Seattle to Tacoma.  

 

The SP&S route was Spokane-Pasco-Portland only.  Besides providing the Portland connection to the GN and NP trains, their only named passenger train of note was the Spokane-Portland Columbia River Express. 

As far as I know, there was never a named Seattle-Tacoma train - its only about 40 miles between the cities.

[Texas Zepher]

passengerfan

daveklepper

Was it a named interurban train?

Thats 17 down 3 to go.

  But was the answer yes or no?

[Texas Zepher]

wanswheel

Hey! That wasn't even one question. Is it not the Cascadian?

The Cascadian terminated in Portland.  The answer to whether one of the train's terminus was Portland was No, so it cannot be the Cascadian.  I was headed toward the Internationals, but I was hoping someone might know if some railroad had a train (SP&S)  from Seattle to Pasco, or Seattle to Spokane.  Or even if there was a named train from Seatle to Tacoma.   And this is NOT a question either.

[ZephyrOverland]

 Is the train the GN Seattle-Vancouver International?

[passengerfan]

wanswheel

Hey! That wasn't even one question. Is it not the Cascadian?

OK OK I don't like to hear grown men cry so we will let the previous question drop us back to 17 and this one makes 18 and the answer is no.

Al - in - Stockton

[Texas Zepher]

passengerfan

Texas Zepher

passengerfan

Texas Zepher

Is Portland OR one of the terminals for the train?

(11) No

 Bummer, but I guess that eliminates all the GN, NP, SP&S stuff unless we are talking Seattle to Vancouver.    It eliminates The Cascade, the Beaver, Shasta Daylight,  & City of Seattle.

(13) NO

That wasn't a question.  I was thinking out loud for the benefit of discussion with others asking questions. So we could better choose our next questions better.  IT obviously didn't work well.

[wanswheel]

Hey! That wasn't even one question. Is it not the Cascadian?

[passengerfan]

wanswheel

passengerfan

Texas Zepher

passengerfan

Texas Zepher

Is Portland OR one of the terminals for the train?

(11) No

 Bummer, but I guess that eliminates all the GN, NP, SP&S stuff unless we are talking Seattle to Vancouver.    It eliminates The Cascade, the Beaver, Shasta Daylight,  & City of Seattle.

(13) NO

Al, please clarify whether you meant No, not those railroads or No, don't eliminate all of those railroads.

Careful if I answer no that eliminates two more chances which take us to 19 leaving only one more guess. The reason is you are asking two separate questions. I feel just like the old host of Whats my line.

Al - in - Stockton

[passengerfan]

daveklepper

Was it a named interurban train?

Thats 17 down 3 to go.

 

[wanswheel]

passengerfan

Texas Zepher

passengerfan

Texas Zepher

Is Portland OR one of the terminals for the train?

(11) No

 Bummer, but I guess that eliminates all the GN, NP, SP&S stuff unless we are talking Seattle to Vancouver.    It eliminates The Cascade, the Beaver, Shasta Daylight,  & City of Seattle.

(13) NO

Al, please clarify whether you meant No, not those railroads or No, don't eliminate all of those railroads.

[daveklepper]

Was it a named interurban train?

[passengerfan]

al-in-chgo

Was the train operated by one of the predecessor railroads to today's Union Pacific? 

 

(16) No Four more questions to go.

[passengerfan]

passengerfan

ZephyrOverland

 Was this train operated by the ATSF?

(14) No I skipped twelve.so to 14 numbers.

I did not skip number 12 so your question was number 15.

[al-in-chgo]

Was the train operated by one of the predecessor railroads to today's Union Pacific?