passengerfan We are still trying to answer the Santa Fe Streamliner Question? If no one else jumps in I will print the list this evening. Al - in - Stockton
We are still trying to answer the Santa Fe Streamliner Question?
If no one else jumps in I will print the list this evening.
Al - in - Stockton
I bumped into the above from some time ago. In the absence of fresh queries would it be okay for us to appoint West Coast Al (aka 'passengerfan') as "da man" for the next question, assuming he wishes to pose one? Are you da man, West Coast Al ! I myself will reluctantly volunteer the next question if folks okay it but I don't think it is the caliber of the recent questions. - Chicago al
BTW and P.S.: -- I can't find the "Eleanor Roosevelt" site despite searching. Can anyone advise? - a.s.
If you prefer not to use this forum to reply, I can be reached directly at smalling_60626@yahoo.com.
Good job ZO, you've nailed this one. We anxiously await your next question Sir.
Mark
KCSfan In the winter of 1937 if you wished to travel in a drawing room between Detroit and Florida east coast cities you had a choice of several different trains and routes. Name these trains, the roads over which they were routed, and the cities between which each participating RR handled these trains/cars. Mark
In the winter of 1937 if you wished to travel in a drawing room between Detroit and Florida east coast cities you had a choice of several different trains and routes. Name these trains, the roads over which they were routed, and the cities between which each participating RR handled these trains/cars.
The following is from the March 1937 OG:
Southland - Detroit-Miami car - 10 Section, 2 Compartment, 1 Drawing RoomWabash Detroit-Ft Wayne (sb Mid City Express/Southland, nb - unnamed train)PRR Ft. Wayne - Cincinnati (New Southland)L&N Cincinnati-AtlantaCoG Atlanta-AlbanyACL Albany-JacksonvilleFEC Jacksonville-Miami (SB carried on Miamian, NB carried on Flroida Special)Flamingo - Detroit-Miami car - 10 Section, 2 Compartment, 1 Drawing RoomWabash Detroit-Ft. Wayne (SB unnamed Detroit-St. Louis train, NB unnamed PRR/Wabash Chicago-Detroit train)PRR Ft. Wayne-Cincinnati (SB via Chicago-Cincinnati Union; NB via Cincinnati-Richmond and Richmond-Ft. Wayne train)L&N Cincinnati-AtlantaCOG Atlanta-AlbanyACL Albany-JacksonvilleFEC Jacksonville-Miami (both ways via Havana Special)Florida Sunbeam - Detroit-Miami car - 6 Compartment, 3 Drawing RoomMC/B4 Detroit-Cincinnati (SB via Florida Sunbeam-Royal Palm, NB via Michigan Special)Southern Ry Cincinnati-HamptonSAL Hampton-Miami
Royal Palm - Detroit-Jacksonville car - 10 Section, 2 Drawing RoomMC/B4 Detroit-Cincinnati (SB via Florida Sunbeam-Royal Palm, NB via Michigan Special)Southern Ry Cincinnati-Jacksonville
Ponce de Leon - Detroit-Miami car - 10 section, 2 Drawing RoomMC/B4 Detroit-Cincinnati (via Ponce de Leon both ways)Southern Ry Cincinnati-JacksonvilleFEC Jacksonville-Miami (via Havana Special both ways)
I didn't notice until just now that Bob had lateraled the ball to me so here's the next question.
If it is agreeable with everyone, I'll stand aside in favor of Mark. He was first with an answer and was at leaast partially correct, and I asked the last question.
So Mark, its all yours.
Bob
Well, Mark and Bob both have it right for the 1950 route: GaRR/ACL, with Augusta the junction (Bob did miss the numbers of the train between Sumter and Charleston: 52/53; 54/55 ran Augusta-Wilmington).
Bob has it right for the 1930 route: GaRR/SOU, with Augusta the junction.
Actually, in 1950, the ACL no longer ran passenger trains into Charleston, but stopped them in North Charleston, obviating a backup move for through trains, and, for most trains, providing bus service between the North Charleston station and a location called "City Market." When the ACL did operate passenger trains into the city, it used the same station that the Southern used. Using railroad license, the ACL was then calling its North Charleston station "Charleston," just as Amtrak calls its station in Rensselaer "Albany" (in 1930, the ACl was honest, and called the stop for all but the Palmetto Limited, 79/78, 89/80, and the local to Sumter, "North Charleston").
Mark's Southern/Blue Ridge/Southern route was set up some time after 1931 (I have no TT between 6/15/31 and 9/36)
Mark came through first, with the ACL/Ga route and the wrong Southern route, and guessing that there were two different stations (though he did not mention the North Charleston station), but Bob had both routes right, even though he was not certain as to the difference in Charleston stations.
Sorry, Mark, but I feel that Bob has the next opportunity to ask a question.
Johnny
In 1930 there was an Atlanta-Charleston Pullman via GaRR-Augusta-SouRy.
In 1950 (at least until the fall of that year) there was an Atlanta-Charleston Pullman via GaRR-Augusta-ACL. This sleeper was shown in the May 1950 timetable but was gone by the time the November edition was issued.
As to the differences in Charleston, I know of none, other than possibly different depots.
The Georgia Railroad, at one time or another, handled a surprising number of Pullman lines.
Bob Hanson, Loganville, GA
Johnny,
I know of two sleeping car routes between Atlanta and Charleston.
Georgia RR (#3 & 4) between Atl and Agusta and ACL (54 & 55) between Agusta and Charleston.
SR (#35 & 36) between Atl and Seneca, Blue Ridge (#17 & 18) between Seneca and Belton, and SR (#11 & 12) between Belton and Charleston.
I don't have ready access to OG's for the two time periods so I'll just hazard a guess that the GA/ACL route still ran in 1950.
The two routes terminated at different stations in Charleston. I believe the distance between the ACL and SR depots was somewhere between 1-2 miles.
New Question:
1. In 1930, what route would you have taken to travel overnight, by Pullman, between Atlanta, Ga., and Charleston, S.C.?
2. In 1950, what route would you have taken to travel overnight, by Pullman, between Atlanta, Ga., and Charleston, S.C.?
3. What difference would you have found at Charleston in the two routes?
No head-scratcher there!
Johnny knocked that one out of the park on the first pitch!
I thought the telegrapher part of that would derail most people.
Take it away, Johnny.
AWP290 Okay, Buck , here goes: We're going back a ways for this one. As we all know, John Luther "Casey" Jones was an engineer for the Illinois Central Railroad when he was killed in a rear-end collision in Vaughn, Mississippi, on April 30, 1900. The question is, in three parts: 1. On what road was Casey Jones originally hired? 2. In what capacity? 3. Where?
Okay, Buck , here goes: We're going back a ways for this one.
As we all know, John Luther "Casey" Jones was an engineer for the Illinois Central Railroad when he was killed in a rear-end collision in Vaughn, Mississippi, on April 30, 1900.
The question is, in three parts:
1. On what road was Casey Jones originally hired?
2. In what capacity?
3. Where?
Well, Bob, your questions are always real head scratchers so check back to you.
BTW...Turner was actually a little further away to be "moved" by ATSF. The real reason for the move of some of the Turner neighborhoods was the 1951 flood, which I remember very well.
I'd say Crow knew more about it than I did - my answer was a genuine SWAG (if you know what that is,) not legitimate knowledge.
If Crow'd like to ask the next question, I think he earned it. If not, I'll be glad to do so.
Bob Hanson (AWP 290)
AWP your the one who broke the ice on this one, so I guess its only fair that the next question be yours. Two out of the three in my senario, so congratulations, you earned it. Argentine KS was the curve ball in this question but as stated that was pre WWII.
In the book Railroading, the Modern Way by Kip Farrington published in 1951 tells of the post WWII expansion of Argentine yard and the town of Turner Kansas being moved to accomodate the expansion. Turner Kansas was annexed into Kansas City, Kansas in 1965-66. I once lived in not too far away Leavenworth KS (lived, not confined) and really enjoyed all the rails in the area.
Ok, I've been on the sidelines because I grew up in this area, but if Argentine yard is the correct answer, then Argentine, KS was annexed into Kansas City, Wyandotte County, Kansas in 1910....hardly after WW2, so I'm not sure if this was what K4 was looking for.
Argentine, so named originally because of the large silver smelter that existed here at the turn of the 20th century, is mostly an ALL ATSF town, just like Armourdale, to the north of the river, belonged to the UP and Rock Island.
It's a huge facility, and a tour of the locomotive facilities here in the 50's was always a great Scout outing!
Not an expert on Kansas history, so this is a guess, but how 'bout Argentine, Kansas?
Again - strictly a guess.
You got two of the three, now, the town that was moved and later annexed to a larger city in that great state of Kansas!
Are you thnking about Argentine Yard on the Santa Fe?
You'r movin in, although, try looking at the other end of the state.
The City must be St. Louis, but I must confess I do not know the names of all the yards around the place. Maybe this hint will help someone else.
Nope, post WWII era, near a city that carries a catchy tune if traveling to it.
I would say SP, Rocklin -> Roseville except is was pre-WWI and is not in the Midwest.
Post WWII modernization and expansion project of this large mid western yard facility mandated the moving of an entire town, building by building. This town would later be annexed into a neighboring city. Whats the yard the railroad and the town in question?
K4sPRR La Fonda?
La Fonda?
La Fonda it is! Congrats , K4 and the floor is all yours.
El Conquistidor?
Couldn't seem to get into the Forum last night to post this question.
The 1947 order for the Golden Rocket. RI took delivery of it's set of cars.....the SP bailed out. The diner for the RI Golden Rocket set was El Comedor, while the name for the SP diner was to be????
FlyingCrow You never knew what train shots would end up in these 30's era feel-good musicals. I just watched "Broadway Melody of 1936" this morning before going to work. (Nothing like movies at 4:30 in the morning). So, ZO...who gets to Pass GO and collect $200?
You never knew what train shots would end up in these 30's era feel-good musicals. I just watched "Broadway Melody of 1936" this morning before going to work. (Nothing like movies at 4:30 in the morning).
So, ZO...who gets to Pass GO and collect $200?
Since you already "danced" with the answer, you get the next shot.
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