Love the pic of the terminal...it shows right where I was standing and where Virginia City was parked, right on the farthest track to the right of the picture. But Dave, the Lackawanna Terminal and Ferry Slips was just over a mile to the right. The important place I am asking about is just to the right, out of the frame, of the picture...and before Todd Shipyards, Stevens Institute, and Lipton Tea buildings and the air shafts for the Lincoln and North River Tunnels
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http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=1630066&t=w
http://gateway.ca.k12.pa.us/memorial/weehawk.jpg
The Delaware Lackawanna and Western Hoboken Terminal with its ferry slips and car float facilities
OK. What I saw was Lucious Beebe's private car Virginia City docked at the West Shore/O&W terminal in Weehauken, NJ. I am told the he preferred the WS to the NYC just for the fun of it when he had the choice while visiting the Big Apple.
Make up question then: Presuming I was looking at the car above from the south end of the property, if I had partly around, what other major NY Harbor site would I have been looking at?
Another clue: you can find a picture of the same thing I saw...I don't remember for sure where I saw the picture...but if I told you where I think I saw it, then you'd have the answer!
I'm gonna leave this go through the weekend giving you all a chance to guess. And besides, I don't have another question at hand!
No...but that reminds me of the time I did see an Armour yellow Pullman on DL&W train 2 eastbound through Denville, NJ...it was named "Lake Hopactcong" which is a North Jersey lake and not on UP. But that's niether here nor there now is it.
henry6 Sperry cars were not Armour Yellow, this car was. And it had brass railings!
Sperry cars were not Armour Yellow, this car was. And it had brass railings!
Was it a through UP Pullman car, City of Los Angeles, eastbound, L.A. - KC - St. Louis and from there PRR to Penna. Station/NYC?
henry6 Three "no's". And I did not say it was a UP business car; I said it "appeared to be".
Three "no's". And I did not say it was a UP business car; I said it "appeared to be".
A yellow-painted Sperry car? - a.s.
Henry,
I''ll list a few possible locations where you saw the UP Business Car. My guesses range from the most probable (No. 1) to the least likely (No.3).
1.In the consist of a NYC mainline passenger train at GCT
2. On the NYC "High Line" which as I recall ran from 34th St. to the St. Johns (or was it St. James) Freight Terminal
3.On a car float crossing the Hudson
If any of these is correct I'll try to come up with a logical explanation of why the car was in NY City,
Mark
WWWaaaallllll...if it were that simple I would not have brought it up. And you missed a clue.
henry6As a youngster in the late 40's and early 50's getting round the NY Metropolitan area to see trains and railroading produced a myriad of scenes, equipment, and technologies. One of the most impressionable suprises happend one day when I saw what appeared to be a Union Pacific business car? Where would I have seen it, why there, and who would do a thing like that?
I'll guess Grand Central Station.
why and who (the list is endless)?UP Executives attending some rail related conference.UP Executives working an interchange deal with one of the eastern railroads.UP Executives trying to do a merger deal.UP Executives securing financing or announcing something on wall street.UP Executives wifes just visiting and doing some Christmas shopping at Sack's 5th Avenue.
On a whole different train of thought.
The car was seen on the docks.
It was new and being shipped from the plant to the rails.It was in need of repair and being shipped back to be refurbished.It was being shipped overseas for a tour.
I know so little compared to most of you even sleeping on the thought of a queston produces little, but here goes:
As a youngster in the late 40's and early 50's getting round the NY Metropolitan area to see trains and railroading produced a myriad of scenes, equipment, and technologies. One of the most impressionable suprises happend one day when I saw what appeared to be a Union Pacific business car? Where would I have seen it, why there, and who would do a thing like that?
Texas ZepherThe ANSWERS1. What railroad was the first to employ dining car waitresses instead of waiters, and what train/route was this on? Chespeake and Ohio - With the acquisition of the Pere Marquette came the major change in tradition. Waitresses were employed on Prior PM routes between Chicago & Buffalo. 2. What railroads dining cars were "famous" for, exclusive of, or had a specialty of:1. baked potato - Northern Pacific2. french toast - Santa Fe (a 1918 Fred Harvey recipe)3. corn bread pie - Baltimore & Ohio (passengers would continue past their stops to have 2nd helpings)4. shrimp creole (also exclusively on what train?) - Illinois Central; City of New Orleans5. baked corn & tomatoes - Chicago Burlington & Quincy; P.M. Scott's recipe he got from his mother.6. Colorado mountain trout, Saute Meuniere - Rock Island; Rocky Mountain Rocket7. The Kings Dinner ($9.85 in 1965) (exclusive to what train?) - Illinois Central; The Panama Limited8. hickory smoke country ham - Louisville & Nashville; One of Clifford J. Haury's many recipes for ham that been aged 18-24 months (1920).9. reindeer mulligan, hunter style - Great Northern10. turkey isabelle - Missouri Pacific (1930)
1. What railroad was the first to employ dining car waitresses instead of waiters, and what train/route was this on? Chespeake and Ohio - With the acquisition of the Pere Marquette came the major change in tradition. Waitresses were employed on Prior PM routes between Chicago & Buffalo.
2. What railroads dining cars were "famous" for, exclusive of, or had a specialty of:
1. baked potato - Northern Pacific2. french toast - Santa Fe (a 1918 Fred Harvey recipe)3. corn bread pie - Baltimore & Ohio (passengers would continue past their stops to have 2nd helpings)4. shrimp creole (also exclusively on what train?) - Illinois Central; City of New Orleans5. baked corn & tomatoes - Chicago Burlington & Quincy; P.M. Scott's recipe he got from his mother.6. Colorado mountain trout, Saute Meuniere - Rock Island; Rocky Mountain Rocket7. The Kings Dinner ($9.85 in 1965) (exclusive to what train?) - Illinois Central; The Panama Limited8. hickory smoke country ham - Louisville & Nashville; One of Clifford J. Haury's many recipes for ham that been aged 18-24 months (1920).9. reindeer mulligan, hunter style - Great Northern10. turkey isabelle - Missouri Pacific (1930)
Deggesty henry6 Well of course the name was unwanted because of it being Japanese. MacArthur was the US General in the Pacific Theater of WWII. But I missed the southeast clue, so I will guess either Seaboard or ACL. Well, you answered two out of three, so no one else can top that. The railroad was the Central of Georgia. I have a memory that another road tried this, but the CoG was the one I knew in the SE. It's your question. Johnny
henry6 Well of course the name was unwanted because of it being Japanese. MacArthur was the US General in the Pacific Theater of WWII. But I missed the southeast clue, so I will guess either Seaboard or ACL.
Well of course the name was unwanted because of it being Japanese. MacArthur was the US General in the Pacific Theater of WWII. But I missed the southeast clue, so I will guess either Seaboard or ACL.
Johnny
Nice Job, Henry 6 . . . .
Is it too late to know which RR's served Turkey Isabella and moose reindeer steaks? - a.s.
henry6 Well, I am pretty sure it was Mikado but the railroad is a guess: Santa Fe?
Well, I am pretty sure it was Mikado but the railroad is a guess: Santa Fe?
But Santa Fe's track was almost entirely in the U.S. Midwest and southwest (also Texas). Except for Texas, it wasn't a southeastern rwy.
Texas ZepherLooks like this question has run its time. I'm going to give Deggesty the win so he can post the next question.
al-in-chgoColo. Mountain Trout - Rock Island
Looks like this question has run its time. I'm going to give Deggesty the win so he can post the next question. I'll post the summary of this one a bit later (when I get my notes back in my hand.).
Texas Zepher al-in-chgoShrimp Creole - IC - Yes, exclusively on the City of New Orleans Colorado Mountain Trout - WP - No Reindeer Mulligan - ARR - No, but a good guess as the reindeer came from Alaska. Turkey Isabella - B&M - No, as near as I can tell the B&M's signature dish was clam chowder.
al-in-chgoShrimp Creole - IC - Yes, exclusively on the City of New Orleans Colorado Mountain Trout - WP - No Reindeer Mulligan - ARR - No, but a good guess as the reindeer came from Alaska. Turkey Isabella - B&M - No, as near as I can tell the B&M's signature dish was clam chowder.
Colorado Mountain Trout - WP - No
Reindeer Mulligan - ARR - No, but a good guess as the reindeer came from Alaska.
Turkey Isabella - B&M - No, as near as I can tell the B&M's signature dish was clam chowder.
Well, at least I got one -- guessing out the rest, I'll hazard
Colo. Mountain Trout - Rock Island
Reindeer Mulligan - BC Rail
Turkey Isabella - NYC
WAGs for fun: Colorado Mt. Trout: SP&S
Reindeer Mulligan: Q, NS and L or MC
Turkey Isabella...I'm leanin' toward an eastern road like DL&W, Erie, or LV.
Texas Zepher KCSfan2. French Toast - Santa Fe - Yes 4. Shrimp Creole - Southern Crescent - No, and I can't think of a hint. 6. CO Mountain Trout - Union Pacific - No, every one is overlooking the Saute Meuniere part 8. Hickory Smoked Country Ham - L&N - Yes 9. Reindeer Mulligan - BC Ry - No, don't forget the "hunters style" part. The dish included a book explaining that reindeer had been domesticated so didn't taste the same. 10. Turkey Isabella - New Haven - No, the Chief was Henry Bausbach
KCSfan2. French Toast - Santa Fe - Yes 4. Shrimp Creole - Southern Crescent - No, and I can't think of a hint. 6. CO Mountain Trout - Union Pacific - No, every one is overlooking the Saute Meuniere part 8. Hickory Smoked Country Ham - L&N - Yes 9. Reindeer Mulligan - BC Ry - No, don't forget the "hunters style" part. The dish included a book explaining that reindeer had been domesticated so didn't taste the same. 10. Turkey Isabella - New Haven - No, the Chief was Henry Bausbach
4. Shrimp Creole - Southern Crescent - No, and I can't think of a hint.
6. CO Mountain Trout - Union Pacific - No, every one is overlooking the Saute Meuniere part
8. Hickory Smoked Country Ham - L&N - Yes
9. Reindeer Mulligan - BC Ry - No, don't forget the "hunters style" part. The dish included a book explaining that reindeer had been domesticated so didn't taste the same.
10. Turkey Isabella - New Haven - No, the Chief was Henry Bausbach
these are guesses:
Shrimp Creole - IC
Colorado Mountain Trout - WP
Reindeer Mulligan - ARR
Turkey Isabella - B&M
2. French Toast - Santa Fe
4. Shrimp Creole - Southern Crescent
6. CO Mountain Trout - Union Pacific
8. Hickory Smoked Country Ham - L&N
9. Reindeer Mulligan - BC Ry
10. Turkey Isabella - New HavenMark
DeggestyThe Pere Marquette (C&O) employed waitresses on the Pere Marquette, in Michigan.
1. Baked potato: Northern Pacific6. Colorado mountain trout: I guess D&RGW, though it might have been the Santa Fe7. King’s Dinner: Illinois Central’s Panama Limited
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