Sorry Henry but no cigar. The consists of the Champions were nuch bigger than the three cars of these two streamliners.
Mark
Atlantic Coast Line East and West Coast Champions. Jacksonville the split from the north.
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In the 1960's a certain railroad ran two identical trains over two different routes which had one common end point, Headed by a single E unit, their three car consists were a baggage/mail/express car, a single coach and a round end coach/cafe/tavern lounge observation car. All cars were streamlined lightweights. At their common end point they were combined and additional cars were added to form a name train that ran on to a third destination. Going in the opposite direction this procedure was reversed to split the name train into the two little streamliners. What was the railroad, the end points of all three trains and the name train involved in this service?
Deggesty Jan 65 Traisn
Jan 65 Traisn
Mark, we will wait for you on this thread.
Johnny
Johnny,
Ahaa, it's hard to fool us old timers. I imagine most readers don't remember when the Southern used to advertise "Look Ahead, Look South". As soon as I spotted that disguised hint I knew the railroad and the 40 mile distance from Jesup to Brunswick made the rest of the answer easy. But until now I had no idea that through cars continued to run to Brunswick after the KC-Fla Spcl was discontinued into Jacksonville.
Your tale about riding in an unheated coach restroom reminded me of a trip I took on the Georgian in mid-winter 1948 or 49. The weather was almost balmy when I boarded the train in Atlanta but it was absolutely frigid by the time we reached northern Illinois. I had a call of nature that couldn't be denied as the train left Danville on the C&EI so I headed for the men's room which turned out to be unheated. The toilet outlet was frozen in a partially opened position which exposed me to a blast of Icy air as we sped along. I thought I was going to freeze to the seat and was never so cold except one night on bivouac in mid-winter when I was a basic trainee at Ft. Leonard Wood, MO.
So much for the war stories. I'm heading to my daughter's for her 49th birthday and will try to have another question in mind by the time I get back tonight.
KCSfan Now we're getting somewhere. Look Ahead, Look South puts us on the Southern Rwy. I believe the car would be the Atlanta - Brunswick sleeper carried in the KC-Fla Special between Atl and Jesup and then on the 40 miles to Brunswick in an unnamed connecting train headed probably by a GP road switcher.
Now we're getting somewhere. Look Ahead, Look South puts us on the Southern Rwy. I believe the car would be the Atlanta - Brunswick sleeper carried in the KC-Fla Special between Atl and Jesup and then on the 40 miles to Brunswick in an unnamed connecting train headed probably by a GP road switcher.
If I had had the wherewithal on New Year's night 1962, I would have asked about a berth from Jesup to Atlanta in this car. Instead, I spent most of the night in an unheated washroom in a Frisco coach, since the coaches were filled with people returning from the New Year's Day football games in Florida. (The night before, I had two facing seats all to myself as I went down to Jesup.)
Mark, you have the next question.
Deggesty No, you can get farther from Washington State than New York. Look ahead.... Johnny
No, you can get farther from Washington State than New York. Look ahead....
Of course. I read it as possibly Seattle is about as far from a New York train as you can get, and not necessarily the train is as far from Washington State as you can get, which puts it in Florida. No idea.
wanswheel Johnny, the word metropolis, New York is definitely that. A sleeper to Niagara Falls?
Johnny, the word metropolis, New York is definitely that. A sleeper to Niagara Falls?
passengerfan I am guessing the sleeper operated by the NP between Seattle and Walla Walla, Wa. Operated in the Mainstreeter between Seattle and Pasco and the NP used a little 4-6-0 for power in the early 1950s later a Baldwin diesel roadswitcher with steam generator was the power. The station still stands in Walla Walla and a observation sits outside the station and the station and car are all part of a beautiful upscale restaurant. Al - in - Stockton PS took the day off and went to Winterail. Several book authors there so got some books autographed. Great show as usual.
I am guessing the sleeper operated by the NP between Seattle and Walla Walla, Wa. Operated in the Mainstreeter between Seattle and Pasco and the NP used a little 4-6-0 for power in the early 1950s later a Baldwin diesel roadswitcher with steam generator was the power. The station still stands in Walla Walla and a observation sits outside the station and the station and car are all part of a beautiful upscale restaurant.
Al - in - Stockton
PS took the day off and went to Winterail. Several book authors there so got some books autographed. Great show as usual.
I'm going to have to give up for the time being. I don't have a mid 60's OG so I'd be just guessing, Perhaps with the aid of another hint or two I'll be able to narrow it down and give an intelligent answer.
DeggestyThis line ran interstate
Did my keyboard ever throw you all off! I meant to write intrastate, but somewhere between my brain and the page, it was transmuted, and I did not catch the error before posting. I'm sorry. Perhaps the right description will make it easier. I'll even throw in another clue--Dave Morgan wrote about riding this line.
The Green Bay to Chicago sleeper which ran in the CNW's Ashland Ltd. This is just a guess however. My wife and I rode this car from Appleton to Chicago in 1960 or 61 but I don't know if it was still running by the mid sixties,
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http://timetabletrust.com/images/00471-1929aug.jpg
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http://www.railfan.net/lists/rshsdepot-digest/200202/msg00018.html
al-in-chgo OK, WAG time: The sleeper was on the train THE BLACK HAWK, Chicago to Iowa Falls. It was IC from Chicago to Waterloo, IA. I have no idea about the motive power on the last leg (the un-named train from Waterloo to Iowa Falls) but from the way you've phrased it, I would guess it was a steam engine. - a.s.
OK, WAG time: The sleeper was on the train THE BLACK HAWK, Chicago to Iowa Falls. It was IC from Chicago to Waterloo, IA.
I have no idea about the motive power on the last leg (the un-named train from Waterloo to Iowa Falls) but from the way you've phrased it, I would guess it was a steam engine. - a.s.
KCSfanLight your cigar and shoot us another question.
Well, Mark, your asking about a papermill road threw me until the last clue. I at last thought of the A&StAB, which with, the CG, had operated that line (I wish I had been able to take it).
In the fifties, there were still many heavyweight sleeper lines in operation, and by the mid-sixties, only one was left; it, too, was a 10-1-2 line.
This line ran interstate, overnight, between a metropolis and a much smaller city. Except for the last forty miles, it ran in a name train. Name the two end points, the name train, and, for extra credit, its motive power into the fifties for the last forty miles.
Light your cigar and shoot us another question. Given your knowledge of out of the way Pullman routes I wondered how long it would take you to answer this question. The Bay Line and the trains are all correct. The A&StAB was owned by International Paper for a number of years and their mill at Panama City was the roads biggest shipper. In the June '54 OG the sleeper is listed as 2-Comp, 1-DR, 10-Sec. which seems a rather unusual car for such an obscure route. I'll bet the Drawing Room was occupied by the porter most nights.
KCSfanThe papermill railroad that handled this consist was the southernmost leg of the entire route and was an interstate RR with one terminal in one state and its other in a neighboring state.
Looks like a hint's in order.
The papermill railroad that handled this consist was the southernmost leg of the entire route and was an interstate RR with one terminal in one state and its other in a neighboring state.
Texas Zepher Aberdeen & Rockfish Railroad? Passenger Train ran from Aberdeen to Fayetteville until 1954. Can't find anything about a sleeper carried further.....
Aberdeen & Rockfish Railroad?
Passenger Train ran from Aberdeen to Fayetteville until 1954.
Can't find anything about a sleeper carried further.....
Sorry TZ but that's not the road. The length of this through Pullman route was 372 miles but coach passengers riding that entire distance had to wake up in the wee hours of the morning and change cars and trains.
KCSfanWhat paper mill shortline railroad ran a passenger train complete with reclining seat coaches and a sleeping car into the mid-1950's? What was the route of this train, and the other railroads and trains that carried the sleeper to its final destination?
Al, you're not warm yet but keep guessing.
KCSfan No cigar, Al. Not Bowater. Mark
No cigar, Al. Not Bowater.
Georgia-Pacific? At least it SOUNDS like it could be a RR company. - a.s.
KCSfan Johnny, I'll tell you that it was in the south and a big paper mill owned by its parent company was its principal customer. Mark
I'll tell you that it was in the south and a big paper mill owned by its parent company was its principal customer.
Just a guess: Bowater?
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