Please research your comments better. Where do you get your information that any union other than the United Transport Workers represents SEPTA Norristown High Speed Line employees?
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gardendance Please research your comments better. Where do you get your information that any union other than the United Transport Workers represents SEPTA Norristown High Speed Line employees?
I 'second' this request. To my knowledge the ATU doesn't even have a local in the Philadelphia area.
The Transport Workers Union (TWU) local 234 represents workers in the City, Suburban and Frontier divisions. But another union, the United Transportation Union (UTU) Local 1594, represents bus, trolley and rail operators in SEPTA’s Victory division. This division operates the Norristown High Speed Line, Media/Sharon Hill trolleys and buses in parts of Montgomery and Delaware counties out of the 69th Street Transportation Center. Other unions, such as BLE represent engineers on heavy rail commuter lines.
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What i ment to say is that there are unions that represent Bus,Subway and Trolleycar Light Rail and there are unions that Rep Class 1,2 and 3 railroads and neigther shal the two meet as one is covered by railroad retirement and the other is not
Again I ask that you give documentation to support your statements. Or at least don't mix up cause and effect. What evidence do you have to support your contention that separate unions represent transit vs railroad workers because of the Railroad Retirment Board?
I'd be amazed to find out that there's any legislated requirement that says they must be separate unions.
I agree. There is no legal requirement for one or another union to represent any railroad or transit property. Most of the differences can be explained by history, who unionized and when.
As far as I know, the only legal requirement in the Railway Labor Act regarding union representation is that representation is to be along craft lines.
Railroad Workers are covered by Railroad Retirement Board and Transit Personel are not. SEPTA and David Gunn lerned the hard way by trying to convert the Fox Chase Line into a line operated by Transit instead of railroad workers. The mecanical department then refused to fix the RDCs unless they were opperated by railroad unions and Conrail Employees and the service died when all the RDC units failed either on the own or with some "Help" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Chase_Rapid_Transit_Line
trackrat888 Railroad Workers are covered by Railroad Retirement Board and Transit Personel are not. SEPTA and David Gunn lerned the hard way by trying to convert the Fox Chase Line into a line operated by Transit instead of railroad workers. The mecanical department then refused to fix the RDCs unless they were opperated by railroad unions and Conrail Employees and the service died when all the RDC units failed either on the own or with some "Help" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Chase_Rapid_Transit_Line
But then you have the case of Tri Rail. Clearly a commuter railroad. When it was operated by Herzog their employees did not pay into Railroad Retirement. This fact was frustrating to Amtrak as at that time they were still in operating commuter systems under contract. But without Railroad Retirement expenses Herzog under bid them. Not sure about the current situation with Veola as tbe contractor.
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