Lion,
Thanks for the map, I understand your layout much better now!
Also, thanks for your service, happy Veterans Day!
I also think that is the Corona Yard facility, completed 2006?
I think that is the new inspection and light repair and maintenance facility at Corona Yard near Willets Point Station on the 7, with the LIRR Port Washington line on the right.
Are you going to install the four switches to provide service to your 8th Street station?
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daveklepperWhen a 2 or 3 dissapears off the model board at Nevins, theoretically bound for New Lots or Flatbush Aven., another 2 or 3 simultenously appears at Lenox theoretically from Lenox Terminal or White Plains Rd.
Correct. The Express trains are running on closed loops, there are no need for switches or reverse moves. They are physically on two separate levels of a two track helix, they loop from Nevins Street to Lenox Avenue via THE SECRET TUNNEL. It is tucked inside and below the Smith 9th Street station, so if you were to put a railfan cam on the train you would find yourself flying across the Brooklyn skyline. LION will ham it up with flashing IR lights, day glow monsters, and celestial effects none of which will be seen except by the Rail Fan Camera.
At the moment there is only one train on each of these express tracks. Some day there might be two on each track, but I have what I have.
Yes, there is MOW equipment including the Signal Dolly, the Money Train, the Revenue Train, The Super Sucker (Track Vac), and a simple work train.
If I remember your other questions aright, my LEAST FAVORITE color scheme while riding the trains in the '70s, was the blue stripe on silver. Now it is my favorite and looks great on the layout. Life-Like did a great job with that one.
ROAR
BUT: This is a model, not the actual railroad. So you are representing just part of a larger system. No need for crossovers at Lenox and Nevins. When a 2 or 3 dissapears off the model board at Nevins, theoretically bound for New Lots or Flatbush Aven., another 2 or 3 simultenously appears at Lenox theoretically from Lenox Terminal or White Plains Rd. And visa versa. So 2's and 3's in each direction can provide an unatttended continuous parade, while you play with the 1 line with some cutbacks at Coney Island and some through to 242.
daveklepper Beautiful diagram/modelboard. I gather track at Nevins and Lenox is to be extended, and currently these two stations are not in service, since I see no reversing crossover in either. Also, I assume the lead to the four Coney Island stub tracks has a slip switch not shown where it crosses the right-bound main track. So current operations are between 242 or Coney Island and the South Ferry Loop, with the option of running express. bypassing the three staions between Smith-9th and Prospect Park, or local stopping at all stations. No trains currently stop at 8th St, or use the 42nd St. local tracks. Would you also consider the other questions?
Beautiful diagram/modelboard. I gather track at Nevins and Lenox is to be extended, and currently these two stations are not in service, since I see no reversing crossover in either. Also, I assume the lead to the four Coney Island stub tracks has a slip switch not shown where it crosses the right-bound main track. So current operations are between 242 or Coney Island and the South Ferry Loop, with the option of running express. bypassing the three staions between Smith-9th and Prospect Park, or local stopping at all stations. No trains currently stop at 8th St, or use the 42nd St. local tracks.
Would you also consider the other questions?
Interlocking plant of LION has 36 levers.
Some levers work two switches. On layout of LION that, is that, but on a GRS machine each switch MUST occupy a position on the interlocking frame with its associated works, even if only one handle is required to move the pair., thus both switches must throw and both must report back that they have moved and are locked before the lever can complete its movement.
Figure about 50 switches on layout of LION. Him still building signals, figure about 200 signals by the time this beast is finished. Only six signals are controlled directly from the GRS machine, the rest are either block signals or are home signals controlled by the local switch motor rather than by the interlocking frame (as it should be done).
Here is layout of LION: Count the switches for your own self. (The more you click on it the bigger it gets.)
I get it, that you follow IND-BMT pratice, which you say has taken over the IRT now except for Dyer Avenue, and I assume eventually that will be converted as well.
Is Broad Channnel the only example of three yellows? May there be others, such at the east end of ENY-Easterm Pkwy-B'way Jc.(J)?
About how many signals and how many turnouts in total on your system? And how many subway cars in total? And do you have work equipment in addition? And which is your favorite paint scheme for these cars?
LION nose all about signals...
Block Signals:
Red = STOP
Yellow = Next signal might be Red
Green = Next signal NOT RED.
OLD IRT system is all but gone.
Except for Dyire Avenue LIne...
Red over Red = STOP
Yellow over Yellow = Diverging Yellow
Green over Yellow = Diverging GREEN
Yellow over Green = Mane Lion Yellow
Green over Green = Mane Lion GREEN
At Broad Channel there is a yellow over yellow over yellow which is a diversion into the siding, while yellow over yellow at that location would be a diversion to the southbound track.
Railroad of LION has lotsa signals, HOME signals at the interlockings are controlled by the turnouts, the block signals are controlled by train detectors and relays, but each relay or block has three or four signals in it and they are all wired together. No point in making my wires more complicated than they knead to bee.
Lion, you do know a lot about the system's signals. Is your system signalled with operating signals? If so which system do you use, IND-BMT or IRT?
IRT: Clear straight ahead, green over red IND-BMT, green over green
IRT Clear diverging, red over green IND-BMT, green over yellow
I stand corrected, the C and A are blue, and I should have remembered. So it is most likely a Q, since the yellow would not show up as easily as orange easily seen as white, Case closed, most likely a Q, and thanks for the correction.
Q is on a yellow background, B and D on orange. At least today.
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The Canarsie Line photo is again on the upper level of B'way-ENY-Eastern Pkwy station looking north, the same spot as the much doctored photo with the purple trees that you showed earlier. The No. 3 train is on Livonia Avenue, possibly at the end of the line at New Lots Avenue, looking east from the west end of the platform. But just possibly the reverse, since there is an elevated yard beyond the end of service tracks if I remember correctly., if it is still there.
I've thought more about the "Q, B, or D" question for the photo taken south from the Avenue H northbound platform. I don't think it is a Q, because there is no splash of orange color on the face of the oncomming train, and while we would not expect to see a clear white Q on an orange backgroind, the dark blue of a D or B background would be less likely to show up at all.
I *think* this photo is far more recent, but I'll not bet on it. I am standing on the southbound platform at Avenue H. There were many other fans with photos there as well.
Today's Photo is on the Canarsie LION!
This is also on the Brighton Line, probably taken from the rear window of a southbound regular Q train just approaching Avenue H station, with the two Transit Museum gate cars converted back from Q-types to something like their original configuration heading south on the express track. Or, instead of Q, possibly taken from a photographers' special. I think I may been on the gate-car train at the time you photographed it, depending when, like before 1996.
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Now one more:
Looking south on the northbound platform at Avenue H station, with a Q train approaching - OR if more than four or five years ago and on a weekend, with a D train approaching. The Brighton Line. Some trackwork in progress south of the station, on one of the southbound tracks. Because of the trackwork, not necessarily on a weekend, with the D running on a the local track as well as the Q because of trackwork.
Today, of course, the D has moved over to the West End. So there is the possibility that the B is running on the local track because of trackwork, and that means that judging just from the photo, the train could be a Q, B, or D, depending on when it was photographed! But not a "1" because you were not taking pictures when D-types and Steels ruled the Brighton and the equipment is certainly R40M or any later R-types.
I used the next station south, Avebue J, about 500 times in my life, beginning at age 2, 1934, with parents visiting my relatives living near by and ending up 1995 by several visits to an architect's office while working on the acoustics of a new building for Congregation Yetev Lev, in Williamsburg. And now I sometimes pray with their Jerusalem congregation which is distinguished by having morning minions starting as late at 11AM, a good safety net should I oversleep.
I AM curious as to when you took the photo and just what train it was!
My guess that you are on the F platform at Stillwell looking northeast, and the train is a Q on the nearest upper level track.
OK, it has been 17-1/2 years since I saw any of that equipment, but I am glad I knew the location.
Lion, I appreciate the map. Your layout makes much more sense now. Your success with such little resources is a great source of inspiration for me. Thanks.
Thanks for posting these photos as well, it is quite fun to guess where. I've learned a lot!
Dave, the R42s and R40Ms had taillights and headlights next to each other horizontally.
Well, a lot of trees have grown up since I was last there, when the predominant color was mud-brown and not green. I had been told that Coney Island Creek was filled in and here it looks like it has become a lake or at least a river, no longer a creek!
Bucolic? This is Coney Island yard. Here is more from moving train...
The only subway yard that I know of that is as bucolic as this, possibly with a stream alongside, is Westchester Yard, off the Pelham Bay line ("6").
I suspect this is the north or northeast side of the yard.
But your R15-22 rolling stock is in several colors representing different periods, although possibly at one time all were seen at once. Grafitti for the period is one bit of prototype realsim that I too would avoid.
And through operation through Coney Island did exist on sunny Summer Sundays as I noted.
All equipment is R-15 / R-22 type IRT stock. That is all that is available on the CHEAP,
Coney Island is a through station although there are tracks that end there. Yes a proper train shed will be built. I found some plastic material at Lowes that is cheap and will flex to the required amount. LION must still think on how to build this station.
Apparently, you do not keep the two divisions separate but run the wider and the narrower cars on the same route? Is Coney Island used as a through station or as a terminal? Have you modeled the "train shed"?
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