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50 years later - CSX heritage units
Posted by Overmod on Friday, June 16, 2023 3:30 PM

Heritage unit for CSX, with one of my favorite schemes:

https://www.railwayage.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/CSX-1973-Chessie.jpg

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, June 16, 2023 3:55 PM

It's a nice blend of the current and heritage colors.

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Posted by Backshop on Friday, June 16, 2023 4:34 PM

IIRC, the Chessie U-boats had a much wider vermillion stripe than the EMDs.

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, June 16, 2023 5:42 PM

As a B&O guy, I wasn't thrilled when the Chessie paint scheme came on the scene, however, over time and with the transition to CSX - the Chessie scheme grows on one.

 

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Posted by VIPER1 on Saturday, June 17, 2023 7:06 AM

I dont know but this scheme dose not look right too me with only 3 quarters of the engine painted Chessie 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, June 17, 2023 5:18 PM

I like it!  I hope it starts a trend for CSX!  Bow

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Posted by zugmann on Sunday, June 18, 2023 12:14 PM

I always thought they should just give up the whole "CSX" thing and change their name to Chessie.   

  

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, June 18, 2023 12:21 PM

zugmann
I always thoguht they should just give up the whole "CSX" thing and change their name to Chessie.

You and me both -- but with a better cat instead of the broken dish.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, June 18, 2023 6:51 PM

Overmod

 

 
zugmann
I always thoguht they should just give up the whole "CSX" thing and change their name to Chessie.

 

You and me both -- but with a better cat instead of the broken dish.

 

 

How about Chesapeake System?  

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Sunday, June 18, 2023 7:23 PM

Flintlock76

I like it!  I hope it starts a trend for CSX!  Bow

 

 
The person that broke this news (and has been fairly accurate about the details), said that preliminary plans are for 25 units. Below is a direct paste of the list.
 
B&O
GARR
B&M
RF&P
NC&STL
AWP
Monon
L&N
WM
NYC
C&O
Katy (I thought this was a UP thing)
ACL
PL&E
C&EI
PM
SAL
Clinchfield
P&NR
SCL
Penn Central
SBD family
Chessie System
CR
PAR (Pan Am Railways)
 
He did state that the B&O paint was rushed and that the cab and nose was to be finished in B&O colors after an event. But we now know the paint job is the finished deal. But instead of him being incorrect, perhaps a higher up at CSX liked the blend result so much that they've simply decided to stick with it after seeing it.
 
He also said that Clinchfield should be next, which wasn't the case. But perhaps we'll see that next out after the Chessie unit, indicating his sources weren't too far off the mark and furthering the suggestion that this list has some validity (although plans do change).
 
If accurate, I do wonder why a Katy unit would be done though. And no Erie Lackawanna unit makes sense (I think the extent of ex-EL trackage that they received with their 42% of Conrail was the Oswego branch). 
 
And no Maine Central unit stands out when there's a Boston & Maine unit on the list. I'm not too well versed on Pan Am and the ancestory of each line, but surely some of what CSX now owns and directly operates (Versus the ex B&M Hoosac Tunnel line that is leased to another operating entity) was former Maine Central trackage? 
 
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Posted by MidlandMike on Sunday, June 18, 2023 8:50 PM

Ayer, MA to Portland, ME is ex-B&M.  MC does seem like an omission.

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Posted by ns145 on Monday, June 19, 2023 3:54 PM

NS needs a Katy heritage unit.  69 miles of former Katy trackage makes up part of NS' Detroit-KC mainline between Moberly and Hannibal, MO.

CSX operates part of EL's former mainline between Galion and Marion, OH.  This was a joint paired single track operation with NYC/Big Four, but controlled by the EL.  CSX also operates a small portion of EL's Marion Yard.

PRR should be included to represent the west end of the St. Louis Line and the fact that CSX owns the former PRR mainline west of Crestline, OH (leased to the CF&E).

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, June 19, 2023 5:00 PM

ns145
NS needs a Katy heritage unit.  69 miles of former Katy trackage makes up part of NS' Detroit-KC mainline between Moberly and Hannibal, MO.

CSX operates part of EL's former mainline between Galion and Marion, OH.  This was a joint paired single track operation with NYC/Big Four, but controlled by the EL.  CSX also operates a small portion of EL's Marion Yard.

PRR should be included to represent the west end of the St. Louis Line and the fact that CSX owns the former PRR mainline west of Crestline, OH (leased to the CF&E).

Back in the day - B&O and PRR had paired operations in two locations with each carrier owning one track and the pair being operated as double track.

This existed between Newark, OH and Columbus with B&O doing the Train Dispatching.  It also existed between Akron, OH and Warwick with the PRR doing the Train Dispatching.

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, June 19, 2023 11:12 PM

Chessie 

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Tuesday, June 20, 2023 2:28 AM

I didn't even notice the absence of the Pennsy in that list. Strange indeed. I wonder if rights issues are behind that if this list proves to be accurate.

A few other small bits and pieces are CSX owned like Woodville to Toledo. All together it must amount to close to 200 miles of former PRR trackage, although some of it like said is out of service or leased out to another operator.

Furthering the CSX connection to the Pennsylvania Railroad, the Pennsy also had trackage rights on a few small pieces of C&O (Toledo to Carleton), B&O (Ravenna to Niles), NYC (Girard Junction to Erie), and C&EI (Terre Haute to Otter Creek Jct). Trackage that CSX as far as I know still owns and operates.

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Posted by rdamon on Tuesday, June 20, 2023 8:22 AM

is being numbered 1973  an indicator of birth year?

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Posted by M636C on Tuesday, June 20, 2023 8:33 AM

rdamon

is being numbered 1973  an indicator of birth year?

 

The B&O locomotive is number 1827, so it's a good bet, but wait for the others...

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, June 20, 2023 9:04 AM

Leo_Ames
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Furthering the CSX connection to the Pennsylvania Railroad, the Pennsy also had trackage rights on a few small pieces of C&O (Toledo to Carleton), B&O (Ravenna to Niles), NYC (Girard Junction to Erie), and C&EI (Terre Haute to Otter Creek Jct). Trackage that CSX as far as I know still owns and operates.

When I was a Train Order Operator, I worked both Niles Jct. and Ravenna off the Extra List.  Recall runing PRR trains at Niles Jct when I was working there, don't recall operating any when I was working Ravenna, however, the tracks to access the PRR were in the interlocking.

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Posted by azrail on Tuesday, June 20, 2023 2:33 PM

UP already did a Katy Heritage unit.

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Posted by azrail on Tuesday, June 20, 2023 2:36 PM

And BNSF's 25th anniversary "heritage" paint job sucked....just some stickers of defunct RRs on a regular "pumpkin" paintjob.

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Posted by wjstix on Tuesday, June 20, 2023 2:42 PM

azrail

And BNSF's 25th anniversary "heritage" paint job sucked....just some stickers of defunct RRs on a regular "pumpkin" paintjob.

 

 
I've heard that BNSF originally did intend to paint up diesels for each of the old railroads (GN, NP, ATSF, etc.), but finally decided time and money wouldn't allow it, so settled for adding 'stickers' to a few engines instead.
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Posted by YoHo1975 on Tuesday, June 20, 2023 8:05 PM

azrail

And BNSF's 25th anniversary "heritage" paint job sucked....just some stickers of defunct RRs on a regular "pumpkin" paintjob.

 

 

The Pumpkin paintjob IS a heritage paint scheme. It's a Great Northern paint scheme with a few ATSF hints on it. At least that's true for Heritage 1 and Heritage 2. The Swoosh scheme is less so.

 

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Posted by MidlandMike on Tuesday, June 20, 2023 9:05 PM

Leo_Ames
I didn't even notice the absence of the Pennsy in that list. Strange indeed. I wonder if rights issues are behind that if this list proves to be accurate.  ...

I wondered about that too.  I understand that merging railroads aquire the trademarks of the predecessor lines.  While Conrail was split between NS and CSX, I noticed that NS got the PRR reporting marks, and CSX got the NYC reporting marks.  However, NS painted a NYC heritage loco.  Maybe the surviving PC entity kept rights to the trademarks.

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Posted by ns145 on Tuesday, June 20, 2023 9:34 PM

NS got one of the best, busiest, and most visible parts of the former NYC.  CSX's only major ex-PRR route is the backwater St. Louis Line.  After Conrail got done rehabbing it, it looked like an ex-NYC line complete with Type G "V" light signals.  Not a lot of PRR heritage or esprit de corps left from what I could tell when I railfanned the line back in the late 80's/early 90's.

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, June 20, 2023 11:03 PM

ns145
NS got one of the best, busiest, and most visible parts of the former NYC.  CSX's only major ex-PRR route is the backwater St. Louis Line.  After Conrail got done rehabbing it, it looked like an ex-NYC line complete with Type G "V" light signals.  Not a lot of PRR heritage or esprit de corps left from what I could tell when I railfanned the line back in the late 80's/early 90's.

However, that PRR line is enough to have 'trashed' the former B&O's St. Louis Division between Cincinnati and E.St. Louis.

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Posted by ns145 on Wednesday, June 21, 2023 8:24 AM

BaltACD

 

 
ns145
NS got one of the best, busiest, and most visible parts of the former NYC.  CSX's only major ex-PRR route is the backwater St. Louis Line.  After Conrail got done rehabbing it, it looked like an ex-NYC line complete with Type G "V" light signals.  Not a lot of PRR heritage or esprit de corps left from what I could tell when I railfanned the line back in the late 80's/early 90's.

 

However, that PRR line is enough to have 'trashed' the former B&O's St. Louis Division between Cincinnati and E.St. Louis.

Well half out it.  The east portion of the PRR route between Indy and Terre Haute was abandoned by Conrail.  The NYC/Big Four was the real B&O killer.  The only reason the PRR line was kept west of Terre Haute was that it was shorter and had a decent sized yard in East St. Louis (Rose Lake).  Conrail effectively had to "NYC" it in the 1980's to bring it up to modern standards.  As Alfred Perlman once observed, the PRR really was a "wooden-wheeled" railroad.

Also, blame CSX.  While Conrail was investing in routes and improving traffic flows, CSX was doing nothing.  Personally, I think both CSX and NS knew that one day they would eventually snatch Conrail and split it up one way or another.  There was no point in investing in their own directly competing routes.  A lot of CSX's perplexing abandonments in the 1980's make a lot more sense when this eventuality is taken into consideration.

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Posted by rdamon on Friday, June 30, 2023 12:40 PM

Seaboard is 1982!

 

 

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, June 30, 2023 1:52 PM

CSX is smart by coming up with heritage units that are a blend of historic and current.  It's distinctive from the NS heritage fleet.

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Posted by rdamon on Friday, July 21, 2023 8:07 AM

And the Conrail "Q" is 1976

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Posted by mvlandsw on Friday, July 21, 2023 4:08 PM

The first Chessie units came new from EMD in 1972, not 1973.

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