Yes I understand. I was just referring to the SD9043MACs in the picture since the thread is “CP Rebuilds”. While CP has done a lot of AC4400s into AC44CWM units, I don’t believe they have done any rebuilding of models in the picture other than SD9043MACs. Counting the large “wedge-shaped” radiators in the view there appear to be 9 and maybe 10 SD9043MACs in the line.
kgbw49 Looks like a lot of SD70ACU rebuilds waiting to happen. https://www.railpictures.net/photo/711066/
Looks like a lot of SD70ACU rebuilds waiting to happen.
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/711066/
Maybe not quite that many. All of the close-up power is Dash-9's, the SD9043MAC's are almost out of sight at the upper left.
Dreadnought with a heavy cruiser...
https://railpictures.net/photo/710710/
beaulieu kgbw49 Dreadnoughts on the line to Prince Rupert: Hopefully not, CP doesn't serve Prince Rupert.
kgbw49 Dreadnoughts on the line to Prince Rupert:
Dreadnoughts on the line to Prince Rupert:
Hopefully not, CP doesn't serve Prince Rupert.
As stated in the photo captions, this is a run-through train on CN track. These trains (symbols C741 and C740 on CN) run from mines on CP in southeastern BC to the port of Prince Rupert. Interchange takes place in Kamloops, and the CP power normally runs through to minimize switching.
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I've seen the NS rebuilds in regular service so I foresee no problems on CP as most of the bugs have already been worked out.
https://railpictures.net/photo/708757/
https://railpictures.net/photo/708766/
https://railpictures.net/photo/708768/
https://railpictures.net/photo/708771/
Hopefully these units are successful and we see more SD9043MAC rebuilds in the future.
Photos are now out of CP 7001 on Trainorders and elsewhere, the first SD70ACU to see sunlight. Looks just like the NS units, except of course for the paint.
i have operated cp's sd90whatevers, only had 1 trip when they didn't crap out, rebuild them all you want, when they finally get scrapped, the trusty and probally rusty sd40-2will still be out working as EMD intended
Let's hope it doesn't end up HMS Vanguard.
Too late to matter in a world that's basically now all General Electric at the head of mainline freight trains. And like HMS Vanguard with her obsolete 15" guns that had been in storage for 20 years after being removed from retired battlecruisers, their 710 engines in these have been idle for years and date to an earlier time.
I think CPR will decide they have a winner with these though. Perhaps not enough to seriously consider ordering Tier 4 successors from EMD, but hopefully enough to ensure decades of successful service for these rebuilds. Maybe they'll end up being happy enough that they even keep an eye open for some used 2nd hand deals to rebuild to similar specifications in the future (They've already bought several retired SD9043MAC's from Union Pacific to enable a full 30 unit follow-up order in 2020).
Good one! Pretty hard to beat that, well, unless you're a stiff breeze!
SD70DudeNow what do we call the SD50...
I'm sorely tempted to call it the "Vasa of the Rails"...
(Other contenders come to mind, but most of them have problems 'by accident' and not due to functional disasters in the design. I thought of Liberty Ships but that was just the welding technology. What am I missing?)
Overmod But if that's controversial ... ignore it.
But if that's controversial ... ignore it.
Not at all, only fools ignore facts and history.
'Conqueror' well suits multiple locomotive models from over the years, I'll throw the EMD FT in there along with Welch's Dash-8.
Now what do we call the SD50...
USN Missouri then, because the design certainly did Show Us.
I wonder if we should reserve 'Conqueror' for something in the GE family, during the period Walsh was cleaning EMD's clock. But if that's controversial ... ignore it.
Iowa/Missouri perfectly suits the 80MAC, the last and largest successful new EMD (if we consider the later 70 series models to be but a outgrowth of the original SD70).
I would argue that 'HMS Conqueror' is a better namesake for the 7000's... ...stealthily hiding for all these years up north, only to make a big splashy appearance when needed most.
And EMD/Progress/CAT really does need these units to be a success.
kgbw49HMS Dreadnought on six axles.
(But what do we call an SD80MAC?
'Iowa' or 'New Jersey' are too bland; "Musashi" has the right connotation but not the right success...)
HMS Dreadnought on six axles.
Dude-- Those 70's are some big. Good looking too.
Yep, FWIW, it's SD-40-2's for my HO Scale layout, just bought three in Milwaukee Road black and orange. Have not decided on what CP Rail Units yet. SD70 might be reliable but the body is too long.
The first two CP SD70ACU's, 7000 and 7001, have been completed:
beaulieuthe 8 not included in that program were rebuilt a bit more extensively but without a model change and are now numbered as 6300 - 6307. I don't know what was changed on the 6300 series.
Happened to come across a 6300 today. It's marked as a SD60-3 under the cab side number.
Leo_Ames In addition to this and the AC4400CW rebuilds, I've heard of a SD40-3 and a SD60-3 program. Anyone have any details on those?
In addition to this and the AC4400CW rebuilds, I've heard of a SD40-3 and a SD60-3 program. Anyone have any details on those?
10 SD40-2s were rebuilt to SD40-3s with microprocessor controls and renumbered as 5100 - 5109, most were rebuilt by RELCO at Albia, IA.
The 42 SD60s SD60/SD60M that remain on the roster have all been overhauled with 34 being renumbered into the 62xx series by adding 200 to the old number, the 8 not included in that program were rebuilt a bit more extensively but without a model change and are now numbered as 6300 - 6307. I don't know what was changed on the 6300 series. CP has also activated all the remaining SD40-2s that didn't need anything more than an annual inspection or very light repairs.
Leo_Ames Has CPR ever tested a SD70ACU from Norfolk Southern? 30 seems like a pretty big order if they're uncertain of the qualities of this package. It seems reasonable to me to assume that the intention if all goes to plan is to rebuild the remaining ~30 the following year (Are all 61 still extant?). If not, I'd expect to see them be parted out/scrapped or sold off for someone else to rebuild. With their success on Norfolk Southern, I imagine NS or EMD/Progress Rail would be willing customers if the price was right. The electrical/computer system of these was never great to start with, and only got worse with reliability plunging after just a few hundred thousand miles. And I doubt a decade or so of storage sitting in the humid climate of Winnipeg during summer has since done them any favors. So they're not coming back as-is at this point or with a minor overhaul. So one way or another, I wouldn't expect to see any unmodified SD9043MAC's sitting around the Weston Shops 30 months from now, now that a decision has been made on what to do with half of them.
Has CPR ever tested a SD70ACU from Norfolk Southern? 30 seems like a pretty big order if they're uncertain of the qualities of this package.
It seems reasonable to me to assume that the intention if all goes to plan is to rebuild the remaining ~30 the following year (Are all 61 still extant?). If not, I'd expect to see them be parted out/scrapped or sold off for someone else to rebuild. With their success on Norfolk Southern, I imagine NS or EMD/Progress Rail would be willing customers if the price was right.
The electrical/computer system of these was never great to start with, and only got worse with reliability plunging after just a few hundred thousand miles. And I doubt a decade or so of storage sitting in the humid climate of Winnipeg during summer has since done them any favors.
So they're not coming back as-is at this point or with a minor overhaul. So one way or another, I wouldn't expect to see any unmodified SD9043MAC's sitting around the Weston Shops 30 months from now, now that a decision has been made on what to do with half of them.
If you look at how CP has been rebuilding the AC4400CWs (in different phases), it is reasonable to assume that the other 28 SD90MACs will also be rebuilt in the future. NS is apperently quite satisfied with theirs, and the CP rebuild should use the same proven equipment also found on the SD70ACe, so I think CP is fairly certain about how these things will turn out.
Besides CP is somewhat power short right now, and they've been reactivating SD40-2s and the stored AC4400CWs. They probably need to bring the MACs back into service soon to meet their power needs, and they apparently don't want anything to do with Tier 4.
Leo_Ames (Are all 61 still extant?)
(Are all 61 still extant?)
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There were 61 SD90MACs originally, plus 4 SD90MAC-Hs. The 4 SD90MAC-Hs were parted out and scrapped, as were 3 of the SD90MACs, so 58 remain.
So half are getting rebuilt. If this is found to be acceptable, what about the other half?
Odd questions:
How many years were they in the dead line?
How many years of actual use did they have before being placed in the dead line?
Thanks for any info.
Living up in CP(Soo) Land, it will be good to see these dreadnoughts sailing across the prairies again!
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