The Seaboard System graphics and colors were a refined version of the Family Lines System graphics and colors. It would be possible to combine the graphics.
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A bit of Civil War trivia here about General William Mahone.
"Billy" Mahone was a skinny little guy. When he was wounded in action a rider went to Mrs. Mahone to give her the news but told her not to worry because "it's only a flesh wound."
"But he hasn't GOT any flesh!" wailed Mrs. Mahone!
SALfan I would love to see CSX do a Heritage Fleet, even with one locomotive in ACL's eye-scalding purple. Alton's beautiful passenger scheme would be appropriate, since B&O (I think) owned Alton for a while. They should use SAL's "citrus" passenger livery, not the just-before-1967 "puke-green-stripe" (my term). To differentiate themselves from NS, CSX could always do what RF&P did with their 4-8-4's and name individual locomotives after Confederate generals. Years ago there was a picture of the "General William Mahone" in TRAINS - what a classy-looking locomotive! (Last paragraph with tongue firmly planted in cheek!)
I would love to see CSX do a Heritage Fleet, even with one locomotive in ACL's eye-scalding purple. Alton's beautiful passenger scheme would be appropriate, since B&O (I think) owned Alton for a while. They should use SAL's "citrus" passenger livery, not the just-before-1967 "puke-green-stripe" (my term).
To differentiate themselves from NS, CSX could always do what RF&P did with their 4-8-4's and name individual locomotives after Confederate generals. Years ago there was a picture of the "General William Mahone" in TRAINS - what a classy-looking locomotive!
(Last paragraph with tongue firmly planted in cheek!)
CSX has already given a number of their engines 'names'. The names are of particular locations on the system such as, 'The Spirit of Cumberland', 'The Spirit of Waycross', etc.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
That would be very cool to see a pair of SD80MACs back in their baby blue Conrail colors.
CSX also needs to bring back the Chessie System sleeping kitty.
With the Port of Tampa expanding for the future on Florida's West Coast CSX can find better use of money than fancy paint schemes. Relay the famous Perry Cut Off that the Atlantic Coast Line built in the 1920s to improve transit time from the Mid-West, Far West and Pacific Northwest! It should have never been lifted to begin with. Another great management decision from the SCL days no doubt.
Anybody still have a set of Walthers Penn Central steam locomotive decals from 1968? Ho Ha!
Chessie wasn't a part of the Seaboard System. The Seaboard System Railroad name came about after the the Family Lines railroads were consolidated. In some regards, the Seaboard consolidation could be seen as a preview of what would become CSXT; in fact - the Seaboard System's name was changed to CSX Transportation before the C&O was merged into it (....although, from what someone told me; CSXT was technically merged into the C&O and the C&O's name was then changed to CSXT).
But with regards to heritage units; statements from CSX management has effectively driven the final nail into that coffin.
They can easily just put the predecessor railroad names on the sides of the locos like the
BALTIMORE & OHIO
CHESAPEAKE & OHIO
Not super exciting for railfans, but it would fit their company motif.
I like all the idea, but would definitely vote for Chessie-I love the sleeping kitty logo.
And I would like to see BNSF do heritage units.
Others have been doing it, so all of them should.
Don't forget, all you have to do to see a New Haven liveried locomotive is hang around a North East Corridor train station in CT. The state owns a fleet of rebuilt SD type locos so painted. Of course, NH had several paint schemes over the years, but the one CT uses is the most memorable.
Oh, yeah, you need to be east of New London to see them.
To Chess-c1223: As I said, the CSX management crew from the 80's is. I'm sure, long gone by now, so your supposition about corporate acrimony is probably correct, it probably doesn't exist anymore. Still, it was amazing how fast all traces of the RF&P logo disappeared once the deal went through. The RF&P logo on the Acca Yard shop building vanished overnight!
Bear in mind that the RF&P fleet was quite small. But considering how important the line is to CSX and the fact that it is entirely intact (I'm no sure about that one branch line though), it would be a curios omission for them not to honor the RF&P in spite of whatever corporate acrimony existed between CSXT and the Virginia Retirement System.
An RF&P unit? It WAS a classy paint scheme, no doubt about it, RF&P was very much in business when we moved to Richmond Va. in 1987, but I don't think CSX is likely to reproduce it. Let me tell you why.
For years CSX had coveted the RF&P mainline from Richmond to Washington and tried to purchase same, but since the Commonwealth of Virginia was a major shareholder in the RF&P they played hardball with CSX until they got the right price for it. At the time CSX was very slow to repaint lcomotives from their predecessor 'roads, and you could see quite a variety of schemes from the L&N, Chessie System, Family Lines, Seaboard and so on. They wasted NO time repainting the RF&P locomotives! Frustration? Spite? Revenge? Who knows?
Of course, the old management crew from those days is gone by now, so I could be wrong.
DavidH66 Also I think they should do the Following ACL B&O Chessie C&O Conrail(Maybe) Family Lines Georgia / A&WP / WRA L&N NC&SL New Haven (Did NS do this one?) PM SAL SBD
Also I think they should do the Following
ACL
B&O
Chessie
C&O
Conrail(Maybe)
Family Lines
Georgia / A&WP / WRA
L&N
NC&SL
New Haven (Did NS do this one?)
PM
SAL
SBD
I would go with SBD and not Family Lines. The schemes are very similar and technically speaking, "Family Lines" wasn't a railroad (the same could be said for Chessie System, BUT it is a very unique scheme). At first, I though the idea of another Conrail heritage unit would be redundant, but it does represent a huge chunk of CSX. Maybe they could it the "Quality" scheme. Also the, New Haven would be a good choice. How about an RF&P unit?
Chess-C1223 I think that Norfolk Southern has pretty much hit the ball out of the park with their heritage fleet. As much as I'd like to see an GEVO in Chessie paint, CSX would look like a sorry wannabe if they tried to follow.
I think that Norfolk Southern has pretty much hit the ball out of the park with their heritage fleet. As much as I'd like to see an GEVO in Chessie paint, CSX would look like a sorry wannabe if they tried to follow.
Agreed, but I still think that it would look very cool if they did it.
The Lehigh Valley Railroad, the Route of the Black Diamond Express, John Wilkes and Maple Leaf.
-Jake, modeling the Barclay, Towanda & Susquehanna.
I would like to see the Western Maryland in black with speed lettering. With the B&O's 185th birthday upon us, this would be a good time for CSX to roll out heritage units to celebrate all of the railroads that have made CSX the railroad it is today.
I vote for B&O, C&O, Western Maryland and the Pere Marquette. Anything from any of the other passenger versions would be good too. Any engine they presently own done in any of the heritage colours would be great. Brighten things up a bit.
Check out Andy Fletchers Facebook page. He has drawn a set of CSX heritage units as he did for NS.. They have been sent to the CSX CEO to try to garner interest as he did with NS.
NS WAS considering painting a New Haven unit, but they decided against it. Why? The NS doesn't own any former NH trackage.
I also think that maybe when the CSX adds the lettering to the units, they use the fonts from each unit's representative railroad.
I think What CSX should do is go the middle ground and use the paint scheme's of the old Railroads but the Lettering should say "CSX" or "CSX Transportation" instead of the old Railroads name.
Second WM Fireball and RF&P-and who should do Auto-Train?
Blue Alert! We're at Blue Alert! Aw crap, it's a nondescript GEVO... Cancel Blue Alert!
I vote for the chessie as well
Firelock76 Ordinarily I'd be in 100% agreement with you, but not concerning CSX. The whole corporate attitude now is it's a business, not a playground or entertainment medium for railfans, or the general public for that matter. Hey, it's their 'road, it's their call, I can live with it.
Ordinarily I'd be in 100% agreement with you, but not concerning CSX. The whole corporate attitude now is it's a business, not a playground or entertainment medium for railfans, or the general public for that matter. Hey, it's their 'road, it's their call, I can live with it.
All it takes is a quick change in leadership. Ala Mr. Moorman and NS.
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zugmann Firelock76 \ Ain't gonna happen, no way, no how. Many said the same thing in regards to a NS heritage program a few years ago. Never say never on (or about) the railroad.
Firelock76 \ Ain't gonna happen, no way, no how.
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Ain't gonna happen, no way, no how.
Many said the same thing in regards to a NS heritage program a few years ago.
Never say never on (or about) the railroad.
CSSHEGEWISCH The CSX office train power is a set of ex-Amtrak F40PH's numbered in the 9900 series.
The CSX office train power is a set of ex-Amtrak F40PH's numbered in the 9900 series.
Okay, so I must be confusing them with the old Conrail units and NS's units.
BaltACD Lehigh Valley 2089 zugmann For CSX to do something like this, they would need to do it in such a way to go above and beyond NS. UP did their heritage engines. Then Amtrak did heritage engines - going one step further and using the old paint schemes. Then NS did the old paint schemes - but went a step further and did 20 of them. And they had a giant public gathering. To be fair - Amtrak had a small gathering of theirs at WUS, but it wasn't as newsworthy. So now - what can CSX do to top that, and not look like a pale imitator? CSX could do the same as NS, and just use as many passenger paint schemes as possible, since they were likely more flashy than any of the freight schemes. Then they could have the engines perform as many office car specials as possible until they are pulled for freight service. They may also consider using engines other than the ES44AC and SD70ACe, and use some AC6000CW units, as Lionel did when making some "what-if" units for their product line. CSX has designated Office Car engines that are not used in general freight service. They are former Amtrak engines.
Lehigh Valley 2089 zugmann For CSX to do something like this, they would need to do it in such a way to go above and beyond NS. UP did their heritage engines. Then Amtrak did heritage engines - going one step further and using the old paint schemes. Then NS did the old paint schemes - but went a step further and did 20 of them. And they had a giant public gathering. To be fair - Amtrak had a small gathering of theirs at WUS, but it wasn't as newsworthy. So now - what can CSX do to top that, and not look like a pale imitator? CSX could do the same as NS, and just use as many passenger paint schemes as possible, since they were likely more flashy than any of the freight schemes. Then they could have the engines perform as many office car specials as possible until they are pulled for freight service. They may also consider using engines other than the ES44AC and SD70ACe, and use some AC6000CW units, as Lionel did when making some "what-if" units for their product line.
zugmann For CSX to do something like this, they would need to do it in such a way to go above and beyond NS. UP did their heritage engines. Then Amtrak did heritage engines - going one step further and using the old paint schemes. Then NS did the old paint schemes - but went a step further and did 20 of them. And they had a giant public gathering. To be fair - Amtrak had a small gathering of theirs at WUS, but it wasn't as newsworthy. So now - what can CSX do to top that, and not look like a pale imitator?
For CSX to do something like this, they would need to do it in such a way to go above and beyond NS.
UP did their heritage engines.
Then Amtrak did heritage engines - going one step further and using the old paint schemes.
Then NS did the old paint schemes - but went a step further and did 20 of them. And they had a giant public gathering. To be fair - Amtrak had a small gathering of theirs at WUS, but it wasn't as newsworthy.
So now - what can CSX do to top that, and not look like a pale imitator?
CSX could do the same as NS, and just use as many passenger paint schemes as possible, since they were likely more flashy than any of the freight schemes. Then they could have the engines perform as many office car specials as possible until they are pulled for freight service.
They may also consider using engines other than the ES44AC and SD70ACe, and use some AC6000CW units, as Lionel did when making some "what-if" units for their product line.
CSX has designated Office Car engines that are not used in general freight service. They are former Amtrak engines.
I was wondering about that. I figured that they might have some kind of office car set of cab units, but can't remember what they are exactly. Aren't they F or E units?
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