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brilondon

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From: London, Ontario
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Posted by brilondon on Thursday, September 4, 2003 6:18 PM

[8D]There is a level crossing here in London that is going to have a bridge put in its place because some woman[xx(] was hit on the tracks while waiting for a train to pass on one track while she was standing on another track. This message doesn't seem to be getting through to people as I have seen many people since do the same thing. It will cost milions of dollars to protect people from themselves and even this will not entirely stop people from going on the right-of- way.[8D]

Stay safe, support your local hobby group Stop, Look, and listen The key to living is to wake up. you don't wake up you are probably dead.

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brilondon

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From: London, Ontario
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Posted by brilondon on Thursday, September 4, 2003 6:18 PM

[8D]There is a level crossing here in London that is going to have a bridge put in its place because some woman[xx(] was hit on the tracks while waiting for a train to pass on one track while she was standing on another track. This message doesn't seem to be getting through to people as I have seen many people since do the same thing. It will cost milions of dollars to protect people from themselves and even this will not entirely stop people from going on the right-of- way.[8D]

Stay safe, support your local hobby group Stop, Look, and listen The key to living is to wake up. you don't wake up you are probably dead.

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mudchicken

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Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, September 4, 2003 8:22 PM

Brilondon: Why a bridge? "Stupid Zone" signs are cheaper!

moral: Just DON'T do it! The life you save might be your own!

Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west

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mudchicken

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Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, September 4, 2003 8:22 PM

Brilondon: Why a bridge? "Stupid Zone" signs are cheaper!

moral: Just DON'T do it! The life you save might be your own!

Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west

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yellowducky

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Posted by yellowducky on Thursday, September 4, 2003 10:17 PM

Hi, in the early 70's when I was a brakeman on the B&O Chgo. div., I got to see (and feel the jolt!) first hand the damage protruding lumber from a passing boxcar makes on the front of a low nosed jeep (GP unit). Then there was the time 1 or 2 cars derailed in the middle of a passing train, caused by something protruding from a car in the middle of our train. To make a short story long, these and other incedences during my RR days, probably are the reason I stop back at least a couple of car lengths at a grade crossing when waiting for a train to pass. 100ft. is not very much if a RR car jumps the track at speed!

FDM TRAIN up a child in the way he should go...Proverbs22:6 Garrett, home of The Garrett Railroaders, and other crazy people. The 5 basic food groups are: candy, poptarts, chocolate, pie, and filled donuts !

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yellowducky

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Posted by yellowducky on Thursday, September 4, 2003 10:17 PM

Hi, in the early 70's when I was a brakeman on the B&O Chgo. div., I got to see (and feel the jolt!) first hand the damage protruding lumber from a passing boxcar makes on the front of a low nosed jeep (GP unit). Then there was the time 1 or 2 cars derailed in the middle of a passing train, caused by something protruding from a car in the middle of our train. To make a short story long, these and other incedences during my RR days, probably are the reason I stop back at least a couple of car lengths at a grade crossing when waiting for a train to pass. 100ft. is not very much if a RR car jumps the track at speed!

FDM TRAIN up a child in the way he should go...Proverbs22:6 Garrett, home of The Garrett Railroaders, and other crazy people. The 5 basic food groups are: candy, poptarts, chocolate, pie, and filled donuts !

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 5, 2003 12:35 AM

Jim, i'm guessing the rail was there first. That is the airport branch, where trains are not that frequent. I know that the mainline was there since 1914 or so.
The airport was there since 1940's, and the road is pretty new.
Alex.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 5, 2003 12:35 AM

Jim, i'm guessing the rail was there first. That is the airport branch, where trains are not that frequent. I know that the mainline was there since 1914 or so.
The airport was there since 1940's, and the road is pretty new.
Alex.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 5, 2003 3:00 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by yellowducky

Hi, in the early 70's when I was a brakeman on the B&O Chgo. div., I got to see (and feel the jolt!) first hand the damage protruding lumber from a passing boxcar makes on the front of a low nosed jeep (GP unit). Then there was the time 1 or 2 cars derailed in the middle of a passing train, caused by something protruding from a car in the middle of our train. To make a short story long, these and other incedences during my RR days, probably are the reason I stop back at least a couple of car lengths at a grade crossing when waiting for a train to pass. 100ft. is not very much if a RR car jumps the track at speed!

My first post in this thread tried to get this point across. If two or three 40 foot boxcars derail and you are within 20 you might as well bend over and kiss you know what goodby. I have seen people at a grade crossing inch forward until the hood is at the gate or on some small cars under it. I told this story in Jeff's thread about Stay off the Tracks but we had a lady drive through the gate and into the train. She was talking on her cell phone. The last call she ever made. And to make matters worse her daughter was following her in another car and saw the death of her mother. What can you say? People are in too much a hurry to stop and hear what we try to tell them.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 5, 2003 3:00 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by yellowducky

Hi, in the early 70's when I was a brakeman on the B&O Chgo. div., I got to see (and feel the jolt!) first hand the damage protruding lumber from a passing boxcar makes on the front of a low nosed jeep (GP unit). Then there was the time 1 or 2 cars derailed in the middle of a passing train, caused by something protruding from a car in the middle of our train. To make a short story long, these and other incedences during my RR days, probably are the reason I stop back at least a couple of car lengths at a grade crossing when waiting for a train to pass. 100ft. is not very much if a RR car jumps the track at speed!

My first post in this thread tried to get this point across. If two or three 40 foot boxcars derail and you are within 20 you might as well bend over and kiss you know what goodby. I have seen people at a grade crossing inch forward until the hood is at the gate or on some small cars under it. I told this story in Jeff's thread about Stay off the Tracks but we had a lady drive through the gate and into the train. She was talking on her cell phone. The last call she ever made. And to make matters worse her daughter was following her in another car and saw the death of her mother. What can you say? People are in too much a hurry to stop and hear what we try to tell them.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 5, 2003 3:11 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Alaskaman

Jim, i'm guessing the rail was there first. That is the airport branch, where trains are not that frequent. I know that the mainline was there since 1914 or so.
The airport was there since 1940's, and the road is pretty new.
Alex.

Alex, Hi, I kinda thought so. Had the road been there before tracks I believe the railroad would have tried to have more seperation between the two.

About the web link, I don't remember what was going on now but for some reason it wouldn't work. I will try it this weekend when I have some time.

Take care Alex and all. [:)]

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 5, 2003 3:11 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Alaskaman

Jim, i'm guessing the rail was there first. That is the airport branch, where trains are not that frequent. I know that the mainline was there since 1914 or so.
The airport was there since 1940's, and the road is pretty new.
Alex.

Alex, Hi, I kinda thought so. Had the road been there before tracks I believe the railroad would have tried to have more seperation between the two.

About the web link, I don't remember what was going on now but for some reason it wouldn't work. I will try it this weekend when I have some time.

Take care Alex and all. [:)]

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Mookie

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Posted by Mookie on Friday, September 5, 2003 6:55 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by yellowducky
100ft. is not very much if a RR car jumps the track at speed!

That runs thru my mind everytime I am at a crossing! Some people pull up so close, the hood of the car is nose to nose with the gate! Maybe they get high on the fumes?

Mookie

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Mookie

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Posted by Mookie on Friday, September 5, 2003 6:55 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by yellowducky
100ft. is not very much if a RR car jumps the track at speed!

That runs thru my mind everytime I am at a crossing! Some people pull up so close, the hood of the car is nose to nose with the gate! Maybe they get high on the fumes?

Mookie

She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 7, 2003 9:48 AM

RE: STAY OFF THE TRACKS
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Location: US Today while driving home from our company picnic ( I won a door prize of $300.00 yyyyyeaaaaaa) I had to stop at a place where there were tracks then a place for one car then a stop sign. I made sure that I didn't proceed until the car ahead of me went through the stop sign so I wouldn't have to stop on the tracks.
As I did so I thought about this thread and the other thread dealing with tracks and right of way, and keeping people off the tracks, and the Alaska Railroad's 100 foot rule, I said to myself, "Well if no one else listens at least we are practicing what we preach." I was thinking that maybe we were not reaching any people with our safety message but if it makes US more aware then we are doing some good.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 7, 2003 9:48 AM

RE: STAY OFF THE TRACKS
Posted: 06 Sep 2003, 01:46:36 PM Delete Edit Quote

Posts: 284
Joined: 28 Oct 2002
Location: US Today while driving home from our company picnic ( I won a door prize of $300.00 yyyyyeaaaaaa) I had to stop at a place where there were tracks then a place for one car then a stop sign. I made sure that I didn't proceed until the car ahead of me went through the stop sign so I wouldn't have to stop on the tracks.
As I did so I thought about this thread and the other thread dealing with tracks and right of way, and keeping people off the tracks, and the Alaska Railroad's 100 foot rule, I said to myself, "Well if no one else listens at least we are practicing what we preach." I was thinking that maybe we were not reaching any people with our safety message but if it makes US more aware then we are doing some good.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 7, 2003 10:37 AM

The following post is from another thread:

Limitedclear A Sad Day in Chester County (SC)
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One dead, one injured in separate rail incidents

CHESTER, S.C. -- One man was killed and another lost three of his limbs in separate train accidents during a 12-hour span Tuesday, August 26, 2003, in Chester County, according to the Rock Hill Herald.
John Scott Graves, 29, of 2358 Oxford Circle, Lancaster, died Tuesday afternoon when authorities say he was crushed between two train cars at an industrial plant. Graves was pronounced dead at 1:16 p.m. at the Chester County Hospital emergency room, Coroner Watson Wright said. He died from massive chest and internal injuries.

At 12:10 a.m., Joel C. Brown, 28, of Fourth Street was struck by a train near the Saluda Street train crossing outside the Eureka Mill village. Brown lost both legs and his left arm and was flown to Carolinas Medical Center in Charlotte. He also suffered serious head and internal injuries, authorities said.

Tuesday night, he was in critical condition.

Graves, a Lancaster & Chester Railway employee for two and a half years, was at the PPG Industries fiberglass products plant on S.C. 9 when the incident occurred at 12:34 p.m. He and some coworkers were dropping off the loaded train cars and hooking up several empty cars to a train, L&C President Steve Gedney said Tuesday.

As they were picking up one empty train car, Graves was out of sight of his coworkers. As the train backed up to hook up the empty car -- a routine L&C workers perform daily -- Graves was heard yelling over his radio for the train to stop, according to Chester County Sheriff's Office reports.

The train stopped, but Graves was found between the train and the empty car.

"I was very shocked," said Gedney, who was informed of the fatal accident while on vacation Tuesday. "This has been very tragic. We are very upset about it ... Our sympathy goes out to the family."

Gedney said the Federal Railroad Administration is conducting an investigation. He also said L & C staffers will be conducting an internal probe into the incident. It was the first fatal incident involving an L&C employee since Gedney began working there in 1990.

"Railroading is a heavy-industry business," he said. "It's got risk with it. It's very non-forgiving if someone makes a mistake."

Gedney described the 23 L&C employees as a "small, tight-knit group." Graves worked as a conductor, and was employed by Norfolk Southern before coming to work with L&C.

Brown, who lives in the Eure-ka Mill village, was reportedly lying on the railroad tracks about 250 feet from the Saluda Street crossing on S.C. 72, said Sgt. Cathie Bell of the Chester County Sheriff's Office.

The engineer of a CSX train spotted Brown about 250 feet away, and told authorities he blew the train's horn to alert him, Bell said. Brown did not respond to the horn. He was struck by the train as it traveled at slower than the 40 mph speed limit.

It is not clear whether Brown fell down or whether he was intentionally lying on the tracks, Bell said.

Both of Brown's legs were severed at the scene, Bell said. Brown also lost his left arm in the incident, Bell said.

Brown was found unconscious after he was pushed by the train as it came to a stop.

Bell said she did not know if he was intoxicated.

(This item appeared in the Rock Hill Herald Aug. 27, 2003)

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 7, 2003 10:37 AM

The following post is from another thread:

Limitedclear A Sad Day in Chester County (SC)
Posted: 27 Aug 2003, 04:05:42 PM Quote

Posts: 199
Joined: 12 Sep 2002 R.I.P. Brother, R.I.P.

Rick

One dead, one injured in separate rail incidents

CHESTER, S.C. -- One man was killed and another lost three of his limbs in separate train accidents during a 12-hour span Tuesday, August 26, 2003, in Chester County, according to the Rock Hill Herald.
John Scott Graves, 29, of 2358 Oxford Circle, Lancaster, died Tuesday afternoon when authorities say he was crushed between two train cars at an industrial plant. Graves was pronounced dead at 1:16 p.m. at the Chester County Hospital emergency room, Coroner Watson Wright said. He died from massive chest and internal injuries.

At 12:10 a.m., Joel C. Brown, 28, of Fourth Street was struck by a train near the Saluda Street train crossing outside the Eureka Mill village. Brown lost both legs and his left arm and was flown to Carolinas Medical Center in Charlotte. He also suffered serious head and internal injuries, authorities said.

Tuesday night, he was in critical condition.

Graves, a Lancaster & Chester Railway employee for two and a half years, was at the PPG Industries fiberglass products plant on S.C. 9 when the incident occurred at 12:34 p.m. He and some coworkers were dropping off the loaded train cars and hooking up several empty cars to a train, L&C President Steve Gedney said Tuesday.

As they were picking up one empty train car, Graves was out of sight of his coworkers. As the train backed up to hook up the empty car -- a routine L&C workers perform daily -- Graves was heard yelling over his radio for the train to stop, according to Chester County Sheriff's Office reports.

The train stopped, but Graves was found between the train and the empty car.

"I was very shocked," said Gedney, who was informed of the fatal accident while on vacation Tuesday. "This has been very tragic. We are very upset about it ... Our sympathy goes out to the family."

Gedney said the Federal Railroad Administration is conducting an investigation. He also said L & C staffers will be conducting an internal probe into the incident. It was the first fatal incident involving an L&C employee since Gedney began working there in 1990.

"Railroading is a heavy-industry business," he said. "It's got risk with it. It's very non-forgiving if someone makes a mistake."

Gedney described the 23 L&C employees as a "small, tight-knit group." Graves worked as a conductor, and was employed by Norfolk Southern before coming to work with L&C.

Brown, who lives in the Eure-ka Mill village, was reportedly lying on the railroad tracks about 250 feet from the Saluda Street crossing on S.C. 72, said Sgt. Cathie Bell of the Chester County Sheriff's Office.

The engineer of a CSX train spotted Brown about 250 feet away, and told authorities he blew the train's horn to alert him, Bell said. Brown did not respond to the horn. He was struck by the train as it traveled at slower than the 40 mph speed limit.

It is not clear whether Brown fell down or whether he was intentionally lying on the tracks, Bell said.

Both of Brown's legs were severed at the scene, Bell said. Brown also lost his left arm in the incident, Bell said.

Brown was found unconscious after he was pushed by the train as it came to a stop.

Bell said she did not know if he was intoxicated.

(This item appeared in the Rock Hill Herald Aug. 27, 2003)

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 8, 2003 12:53 AM

This does not have anything to do with trains, transportation yes, trains no. I took Duchess Von Levy (my Doberman) to Petsmart today and on the way I saw a motorcycle doing a wheelie on the interstate. I don't know how long he held it up but he had the front tire way up. I could only glance at it quickly but man oh man was he asking for trouble. He did it around McCain Mall which is probally the busiest area of our town. There was an entrance from a side road onto the interestate about 1/4 mile from where he was doing it. The road also splits having a lane headed to Memphis and two going towards Little Rock. It was something else to see, and could have been a really bad accident if ... well you know.

Also I have been wanting to add this somewhere so I guess I will put it here. The old Rock Island Passenger Station is a majestic looking brick building that once housed a restaurant and offices. It sits right next to the Arkansas River and the Rock Island Railroad Bridge (not used by any railroad) comes across the river right up to the old station. This is the site for the Clinton Presidential Library. The station will be used (to my knowledge) somehow in connection with the Library. They are building a new building behind it but as far as I have heard the station will be saved. The railroad bridge is going to be used as a lookout platform and maybe a walkway from North Little Rock to Little Rock. I am not sure if all of that has been worked out. That is the good news. Now for the bad news. They were tearing down an old warehouse in the area to make room for the library and discovered another old railroad structure (building). Few, if any, knew it was there. It was inside the warehouse building. There was a small bit of legal maneuvering to save it but it failed and the structure was razed. I am like Alex (Alaskaman) and Mitchell (Sask_Tinplater) I just hate to see railroad equipment, buildings, or artifacts scrapped or destroyed. They are a piece of history and when destroyed are gone forever. I just hate that [V]

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 8, 2003 12:53 AM

This does not have anything to do with trains, transportation yes, trains no. I took Duchess Von Levy (my Doberman) to Petsmart today and on the way I saw a motorcycle doing a wheelie on the interstate. I don't know how long he held it up but he had the front tire way up. I could only glance at it quickly but man oh man was he asking for trouble. He did it around McCain Mall which is probally the busiest area of our town. There was an entrance from a side road onto the interestate about 1/4 mile from where he was doing it. The road also splits having a lane headed to Memphis and two going towards Little Rock. It was something else to see, and could have been a really bad accident if ... well you know.

Also I have been wanting to add this somewhere so I guess I will put it here. The old Rock Island Passenger Station is a majestic looking brick building that once housed a restaurant and offices. It sits right next to the Arkansas River and the Rock Island Railroad Bridge (not used by any railroad) comes across the river right up to the old station. This is the site for the Clinton Presidential Library. The station will be used (to my knowledge) somehow in connection with the Library. They are building a new building behind it but as far as I have heard the station will be saved. The railroad bridge is going to be used as a lookout platform and maybe a walkway from North Little Rock to Little Rock. I am not sure if all of that has been worked out. That is the good news. Now for the bad news. They were tearing down an old warehouse in the area to make room for the library and discovered another old railroad structure (building). Few, if any, knew it was there. It was inside the warehouse building. There was a small bit of legal maneuvering to save it but it failed and the structure was razed. I am like Alex (Alaskaman) and Mitchell (Sask_Tinplater) I just hate to see railroad equipment, buildings, or artifacts scrapped or destroyed. They are a piece of history and when destroyed are gone forever. I just hate that [V]

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:20 PM

Today I went down and took some pictures of the Rock Island Depot and the unfinished building for the Clinton Library. They had a sign showing how the finished library would look. The depot is shown on the sign so I truly believe it will be saved and used somehow in connection with the libray. When the pictures are ready I will email them to anyone interested, just drop me an email and I will send them to you.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:20 PM

Today I went down and took some pictures of the Rock Island Depot and the unfinished building for the Clinton Library. They had a sign showing how the finished library would look. The depot is shown on the sign so I truly believe it will be saved and used somehow in connection with the libray. When the pictures are ready I will email them to anyone interested, just drop me an email and I will send them to you.

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yellowducky

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Posted by yellowducky on Friday, September 19, 2003 9:35 PM

on the subject of derailments:
see picture on page 18, TRAINS mag, Sept.03 taken at Commerce, Calif.

FDM TRAIN up a child in the way he should go...Proverbs22:6 Garrett, home of The Garrett Railroaders, and other crazy people. The 5 basic food groups are: candy, poptarts, chocolate, pie, and filled donuts !

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yellowducky

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Posted by yellowducky on Friday, September 19, 2003 9:35 PM

on the subject of derailments:
see picture on page 18, TRAINS mag, Sept.03 taken at Commerce, Calif.

FDM TRAIN up a child in the way he should go...Proverbs22:6 Garrett, home of The Garrett Railroaders, and other crazy people. The 5 basic food groups are: candy, poptarts, chocolate, pie, and filled donuts !

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