The ALCo diesel locomotive thread

[AltonFan]

QUOTE: [i]I said this:
According to a roster originally published in Railroad Magazine, and published in Wayner's book compiling these rosters, the GM&O owned no RS-3s.

But according to the roster on this webpage, http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gmo/gmo-diesel.html, the GM&O had two RS-3s.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

As for surviving PA's, I believe that there is a drive afoot to preserve one of the Brazilian PA's (the only export PA's). Three were built for the Paulista.
Alco also was a pretty strong player in the export market. India is still building 251-powered locomotives under license and Australia and Argentina still have sizable fleets of Alco-built or Alco-designed locomotives.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

As for surviving PA's, I believe that there is a drive afoot to preserve one of the Brazilian PA's (the only export PA's). Three were built for the Paulista.
Alco also was a pretty strong player in the export market. India is still building 251-powered locomotives under license and Australia and Argentina still have sizable fleets of Alco-built or Alco-designed locomotives.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by railpac

Because.

LC the following is the script for the following responses (which you never got) to your question and Railpac's (and Jim) reply

LC. Why do Alcos leak so much?

Railpac. Because.

LC Because why?

Railpac Because I said so that's why!


But I had to confess and save everyone from that terrible dialog. [:p]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by railpac

Because.

LC the following is the script for the following responses (which you never got) to your question and Railpac's (and Jim) reply

LC. Why do Alcos leak so much?

Railpac. Because.

LC Because why?

Railpac Because I said so that's why!


But I had to confess and save everyone from that terrible dialog. [:p]

[adrianspeeder]

I do remember reading that the NASA space shuttle crawlers are powered by two ALCO engines. I wonder what they sound like.

Adrianspeeder

[adrianspeeder]

I do remember reading that the NASA space shuttle crawlers are powered by two ALCO engines. I wonder what they sound like.

Adrianspeeder

[kenneo]

LC

Two reasons.

One)) A mechanic friend who used to work on those beasts said he tried to figure it out one, and decided that the root cause had to be unequal expansion of the engine block components. They would rebuild a block and put in brand new seals on squeaky-clean parts, touque the nuts to spec, fire up the motor and let it run for a while, sut it down and go home. Next morning, oil all over the locomotive. dripping from every seal. He figured the component parts moved enough during the test phase that they broke the seal.

So they tried other things - even gasket cement and "liquid gasket" and re-torquing while hot, re-torquing after cooling, yada yada. Leak leak.

Two)) Because

[kenneo]

LC

Two reasons.

One)) A mechanic friend who used to work on those beasts said he tried to figure it out one, and decided that the root cause had to be unequal expansion of the engine block components. They would rebuild a block and put in brand new seals on squeaky-clean parts, touque the nuts to spec, fire up the motor and let it run for a while, sut it down and go home. Next morning, oil all over the locomotive. dripping from every seal. He figured the component parts moved enough during the test phase that they broke the seal.

So they tried other things - even gasket cement and "liquid gasket" and re-torquing while hot, re-torquing after cooling, yada yada. Leak leak.

Two)) Because

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

QUOTE: Originally posted by railpac

Common, I know somebody's got some questions!

Why do Alcos leak more fluids than EMDs?

LC

My guess, working in a related transporation field, would be poor or improper maintenance ie nuts/bolts not tightened, hoses not replace as suggested in the maintenance manuals, mechs in a hurry and not checking their work, etc, etc, etc,. This in a loco not much worry, but in an aircraft at 30 or 40,000 feet could be fatal.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

QUOTE: Originally posted by railpac

Common, I know somebody's got some questions!

Why do Alcos leak more fluids than EMDs?

LC

My guess, working in a related transporation field, would be poor or improper maintenance ie nuts/bolts not tightened, hoses not replace as suggested in the maintenance manuals, mechs in a hurry and not checking their work, etc, etc, etc,. This in a loco not much worry, but in an aircraft at 30 or 40,000 feet could be fatal.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

QUOTE: Originally posted by railpac

Because.

I guess that's the rivet counter response...lol...

LC

LC I must confess--I put him up to that response. [}:)] [:p] He can answer a question that has a black and white answer--and do a fine job of it. However, your answer cannot be found in any book. This is something that is learned on the job as you well know. Now you have asked the question--so share with us your answer. [:)]

Actually, I don't have an easy answer to the question, that was one of the reasons for asking in the first place. I was thinking it could be the engineering choices that were made or the materials choices (such as type of gaskets etc) but I really don't have "the answer" (although I could give you the standard mechanical department refrain "J-U-N-K"). I figured RailPac with all that advertised Alco expertise would jump right to it. Guess not...

LC[B)]

LC, Hello, I think he does pretty good for a 15 year old who is interested in trains. However, he does lack the experience that comes with years of practice (railroading). What he lacks in experience, you must admit, he makes up for in zeal and enthusiasm. As Ed has told Sask_Tinplater in another thread you should do your best because you want to, not because your employeer demands it. Therefore, I believe, Railpac (John) will make a fine railroad employee one of these days.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

QUOTE: Originally posted by railpac

Because.

I guess that's the rivet counter response...lol...

LC

LC I must confess--I put him up to that response. [}:)] [:p] He can answer a question that has a black and white answer--and do a fine job of it. However, your answer cannot be found in any book. This is something that is learned on the job as you well know. Now you have asked the question--so share with us your answer. [:)]

Actually, I don't have an easy answer to the question, that was one of the reasons for asking in the first place. I was thinking it could be the engineering choices that were made or the materials choices (such as type of gaskets etc) but I really don't have "the answer" (although I could give you the standard mechanical department refrain "J-U-N-K"). I figured RailPac with all that advertised Alco expertise would jump right to it. Guess not...

LC[B)]

LC, Hello, I think he does pretty good for a 15 year old who is interested in trains. However, he does lack the experience that comes with years of practice (railroading). What he lacks in experience, you must admit, he makes up for in zeal and enthusiasm. As Ed has told Sask_Tinplater in another thread you should do your best because you want to, not because your employeer demands it. Therefore, I believe, Railpac (John) will make a fine railroad employee one of these days.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

QUOTE: Originally posted by railpac

Because.

I guess that's the rivet counter response...lol...

LC

LC I must confess--I put him up to that response. [}:)] [:p] He can answer a question that has a black and white answer--and do a fine job of it. However, your answer cannot be found in any book. This is something that is learned on the job as you well know. Now you have asked the question--so share with us your answer. [:)]

Actually, I don't have an easy answer to the question, that was one of the reasons for asking in the first place. I was thinking it could be the engineering choices that were made or the materials choices (such as type of gaskets etc) but I really don't have "the answer" (although I could give you the standard mechanical department refrain "J-U-N-K"). I figured RailPac with all that advertised Alco expertise would jump right to it. Guess not...

LC[B)]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

QUOTE: Originally posted by railpac

Because.

I guess that's the rivet counter response...lol...

LC

LC I must confess--I put him up to that response. [}:)] [:p] He can answer a question that has a black and white answer--and do a fine job of it. However, your answer cannot be found in any book. This is something that is learned on the job as you well know. Now you have asked the question--so share with us your answer. [:)]

Actually, I don't have an easy answer to the question, that was one of the reasons for asking in the first place. I was thinking it could be the engineering choices that were made or the materials choices (such as type of gaskets etc) but I really don't have "the answer" (although I could give you the standard mechanical department refrain "J-U-N-K"). I figured RailPac with all that advertised Alco expertise would jump right to it. Guess not...

LC[B)]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

QUOTE: Originally posted by railpac

Because.

I guess that's the rivet counter response...lol...

LC

LC I must confess--I put him up to that response. [}:)] [:p] He can answer a question that has a black and white answer--and do a fine job of it. However, your answer cannot be found in any book. This is something that is learned on the job as you well know. Now you have asked the question--so share with us your answer. [:)]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

QUOTE: Originally posted by railpac

Because.

I guess that's the rivet counter response...lol...

LC

LC I must confess--I put him up to that response. [}:)] [:p] He can answer a question that has a black and white answer--and do a fine job of it. However, your answer cannot be found in any book. This is something that is learned on the job as you well know. Now you have asked the question--so share with us your answer. [:)]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by railpac

Because.

I guess that's the rivet counter response...lol...

LC

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by railpac

Because.

I guess that's the rivet counter response...lol...

LC

[Anonymous]

Because.

[Anonymous]

Because.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by railpac

Common, I know somebody's got some questions!

Why do Alcos leak more fluids than EMDs?

LC

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by railpac

Common, I know somebody's got some questions!

Why do Alcos leak more fluids than EMDs?

LC

[Anonymous]

Common, I know somebody's got some questions!

[Anonymous]

Common, I know somebody's got some questions!

[Anonymous]

Well folks, I'm back, so let the questions fly!! [;)]

[Anonymous]

Well folks, I'm back, so let the questions fly!! [;)]

[theonejp]

To Railpac
Sorry for doubting you; you were correct!
After looking the rochester NY railfan page I saw that LA&L had two 430's from M&E already on the roster. I must have seen one on the way through to Lakeville to go for some maintenance.
According to that page one of the two is now working on the WNYP, a LA&L offshoot.

[theonejp]

To Railpac
Sorry for doubting you; you were correct!
After looking the rochester NY railfan page I saw that LA&L had two 430's from M&E already on the roster. I must have seen one on the way through to Lakeville to go for some maintenance.
According to that page one of the two is now working on the WNYP, a LA&L offshoot.

[AltonFan]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear
Besides the FAs and RS-1,2,3es what Alco's did the GM &O run?
LC

According to a roster originally published in Railroad Magazine, and published in Wayner's book compiling these rosters, the GM&O owned no RS-3s.

QUOTE: I said this:
IIRC, except for the DL-109, all passenger power was EMD.

According to this roster, GM&O also owned some PA-1s and PA-2s. I stand corrected.

The roster made no mention of the DL-109, but other sources indicate that GM&O did once have one.