Slaves vs CSX lawsuit

[zardoz]

Me too, Mook, me too.

Perhaps some 'magazine'-type tv program like 60 Minutes should start a segment titled: "Stupidist Lawsuit of the Week/Month/Year".

[zardoz]

Me too, Mook, me too.

Perhaps some 'magazine'-type tv program like 60 Minutes should start a segment titled: "Stupidist Lawsuit of the Week/Month/Year".

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Just when I am exasperated reading the paper and listening to news, about the failure of this United States to make any sense any more and fear that common sense is doomed, I read the forum.

I feel much better. Now I wi***he politicians would read the forum and learn from it!
Probably like asking for a raise; ain't gonna happen!

Jen

There is an unspoken element to the rationale behind the lawsuit, that makes it worth (or seem worth) pursuing. There is a victorian elememt within the way most white folks are raised, that makes them "guilt based" in their interaction with others.

I'm no psychiatrist, I'll freely admit, but I've spent a lifetime observing the phenomenon, deep down at the core of it is an "if it feels good (and you do it) then you must be punnished. Entire schemes of our behavior are rooted in this philosophy, the most noteworthy (for it's "stand out" bizarre nature) is the "S/M" sexual whips, chains, and leather bit. Not all folks go in for it, I surely don't, but enough do.

"Guilt" is a part of this, and some peole surely have found a way to find pleasure in "guilt" for the way it makes them feel that they've sinned in excess, and need to feel guilty about it.

Enter "white guilt".

Now *there" is a subject I surely was born without, I had no recall of sins committed by past generations (in fact all 8 of my great grand parents came over from europe dring the 1880's and 1890's), but there is a focused effort, of which I only came into contact with in the past decade or so, to try and make me own "guilt" over something that happened before my progenitors even set foot in North America.

And I almost bought into it, until I sat down and asked myself "what the heck is going on here?"

You see, mom had trained me well that I should feel guilty for wrong doing. What isn't always so clear cut is, how/when/why to "own" that wrong doing, and it is the very basis upon which the "reparations" law suit is based.

My point? don't hate the people filing the suit, they are victims, just the same as you or I. The person to hate is your white neighbor who will try to convince you "it's the right thing to do", because it is he who can harm you, it is he who has drawn conclusions based upon an incomplete set of circumstances, and it is his vote that could ultimately harm you........

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Just when I am exasperated reading the paper and listening to news, about the failure of this United States to make any sense any more and fear that common sense is doomed, I read the forum.

I feel much better. Now I wi***he politicians would read the forum and learn from it!
Probably like asking for a raise; ain't gonna happen!

Jen

There is an unspoken element to the rationale behind the lawsuit, that makes it worth (or seem worth) pursuing. There is a victorian elememt within the way most white folks are raised, that makes them "guilt based" in their interaction with others.

I'm no psychiatrist, I'll freely admit, but I've spent a lifetime observing the phenomenon, deep down at the core of it is an "if it feels good (and you do it) then you must be punnished. Entire schemes of our behavior are rooted in this philosophy, the most noteworthy (for it's "stand out" bizarre nature) is the "S/M" sexual whips, chains, and leather bit. Not all folks go in for it, I surely don't, but enough do.

"Guilt" is a part of this, and some peole surely have found a way to find pleasure in "guilt" for the way it makes them feel that they've sinned in excess, and need to feel guilty about it.

Enter "white guilt".

Now *there" is a subject I surely was born without, I had no recall of sins committed by past generations (in fact all 8 of my great grand parents came over from europe dring the 1880's and 1890's), but there is a focused effort, of which I only came into contact with in the past decade or so, to try and make me own "guilt" over something that happened before my progenitors even set foot in North America.

And I almost bought into it, until I sat down and asked myself "what the heck is going on here?"

You see, mom had trained me well that I should feel guilty for wrong doing. What isn't always so clear cut is, how/when/why to "own" that wrong doing, and it is the very basis upon which the "reparations" law suit is based.

My point? don't hate the people filing the suit, they are victims, just the same as you or I. The person to hate is your white neighbor who will try to convince you "it's the right thing to do", because it is he who can harm you, it is he who has drawn conclusions based upon an incomplete set of circumstances, and it is his vote that could ultimately harm you........

[Mookie]

I simply don't understand the thinking that we need to punish people. Anybody and everybody. I am not talking criminals, I am talking the above case and the McD's hot coffee case. Just because it is a corporation or a whole segment of people, let's puni***hem for things that may or may not be real. Let's never take responsibility for our actions. Just sue and blame everyone else. They want to punish for past behavior and yet Enron execs will go free and w/o punishment for what they did. Did I miss a boat here?

Same with railroads! I don't need to spell this out, you all know what I am talking about.

Jen

[Mookie]

I simply don't understand the thinking that we need to punish people. Anybody and everybody. I am not talking criminals, I am talking the above case and the McD's hot coffee case. Just because it is a corporation or a whole segment of people, let's puni***hem for things that may or may not be real. Let's never take responsibility for our actions. Just sue and blame everyone else. They want to punish for past behavior and yet Enron execs will go free and w/o punishment for what they did. Did I miss a boat here?

Same with railroads! I don't need to spell this out, you all know what I am talking about.

Jen

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

I simply don't understand the thinking that we need to punish people. Anybody and everybody. I am not talking criminals, I am talking the above case and the McD's hot coffee case. Just because it is a corporation or a whole segment of people, let's puni***hem for things that may or may not be real. Let's never take responsibility for our actions. Just sue and blame everyone else. They want to punish for past behavior and yet Enron execs will go free and w/o punishment for what they did. Did I miss a boat here?

Same with railroads! I don't need to spell this out, you all know what I am talking about.

Jen

Kinda like how Bill (I didn't inhale) Clinton got elected when the national by-line was "zero tolerance"? Then issued an exit pardon to a nephew for a cocaine rap? Or the way our current president professes the only 'cure" for those with substance abuse problems is jail time, yet when dear sweet lil Noel Bush got picked up for writing bogus prescriptions, she was in and out in 10 days?

Hard not to inferr a "well your children should go to jail for it, not ours" mentality out of the whole mess

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

I simply don't understand the thinking that we need to punish people. Anybody and everybody. I am not talking criminals, I am talking the above case and the McD's hot coffee case. Just because it is a corporation or a whole segment of people, let's puni***hem for things that may or may not be real. Let's never take responsibility for our actions. Just sue and blame everyone else. They want to punish for past behavior and yet Enron execs will go free and w/o punishment for what they did. Did I miss a boat here?

Same with railroads! I don't need to spell this out, you all know what I am talking about.

Jen

Kinda like how Bill (I didn't inhale) Clinton got elected when the national by-line was "zero tolerance"? Then issued an exit pardon to a nephew for a cocaine rap? Or the way our current president professes the only 'cure" for those with substance abuse problems is jail time, yet when dear sweet lil Noel Bush got picked up for writing bogus prescriptions, she was in and out in 10 days?

Hard not to inferr a "well your children should go to jail for it, not ours" mentality out of the whole mess