Bad train pictures

[pmsteamman]

Mikeygaw, what you saw was a remote control loco of as we call them on csx a robot. The lights are supposed to warn people that it is in remote mode.

[pmsteamman]

Mikeygaw, what you saw was a remote control loco of as we call them on csx a robot. The lights are supposed to warn people that it is in remote mode.

[espeefoamer]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR

I know it, but I won't post it...

"Can you whisper it just between you and me?"

[:I]

The last three words are stlill rear end device.You figure out the first.[}:)]

[espeefoamer]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR

I know it, but I won't post it...

"Can you whisper it just between you and me?"

[:I]

The last three words are stlill rear end device.You figure out the first.[}:)]

[edblysard]

Mike,
Larry got it, its a covered hopper, the angle of the shot and the use of the telephoto makes the car look shorter.

Older hopper, lots of uses....
Ed

[edblysard]

Mike,
Larry got it, its a covered hopper, the angle of the shot and the use of the telephoto makes the car look shorter.

Older hopper, lots of uses....
Ed

[CShaveRR]

It's a Canadian-built cylindrical covered hopper; most likely commodity is potash (lettering reads, "Indusmin"). What it's doing in a train like that is anyone's guess.

[CShaveRR]

It's a Canadian-built cylindrical covered hopper; most likely commodity is potash (lettering reads, "Indusmin"). What it's doing in a train like that is anyone's guess.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR

It's a Canadian-built cylindrical covered hopper; most likely commodity is potash (lettering reads, "Indusmin"). What it's doing in a train like that is anyone's guess.

Now this is only a guess, but it could have somethign to do with weight restrictions. Notice that there are flatcars on either side of it. Now the flatcars are empty, but they might end up getting loaded with something that's extremely heavy. Due to weight restrictions, the hopper car could placed in the middle of them so that all the wieght of the loads isn't all together. In a recent issue of Trains (I'm looking through my back issues and can't find it), there was an item in Railroad News & Photos about CN carrying the parts of a dismantled nuclear reactor (I think) and because of the weight of it, empty open hoppers were placed along the train every few cars due to wieght restrictions on bridges, etc. Mind you in this picture, the hopper isn't placed right in the middle.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR

It's a Canadian-built cylindrical covered hopper; most likely commodity is potash (lettering reads, "Indusmin"). What it's doing in a train like that is anyone's guess.

Now this is only a guess, but it could have somethign to do with weight restrictions. Notice that there are flatcars on either side of it. Now the flatcars are empty, but they might end up getting loaded with something that's extremely heavy. Due to weight restrictions, the hopper car could placed in the middle of them so that all the wieght of the loads isn't all together. In a recent issue of Trains (I'm looking through my back issues and can't find it), there was an item in Railroad News & Photos about CN carrying the parts of a dismantled nuclear reactor (I think) and because of the weight of it, empty open hoppers were placed along the train every few cars due to wieght restrictions on bridges, etc. Mind you in this picture, the hopper isn't placed right in the middle.

[edblysard]

Its just a mixed freight, or yard transfer.
If weight was a problem, then the locomotives on the head end far outweigh the car, loaded or not, so any weight restrictions would require a lighter motor.

The flat cars are for sheet steel or steel slabs, we see them down here all the time.

Ed

[edblysard]

Its just a mixed freight, or yard transfer.
If weight was a problem, then the locomotives on the head end far outweigh the car, loaded or not, so any weight restrictions would require a lighter motor.

The flat cars are for sheet steel or steel slabs, we see them down here all the time.

Ed

[dharmon]

Here we go.....Diesel Horns...

On units that were built up to say the mid Eighties the horns are/ were placed on the cab. But it seems since then, all of the newer units and rebuilds have the horn placement mid body between fans. Is this to reduce the noise in the cab?

Trying to figure out where to toss the lasso...........to grab this bull by the.....

[dharmon]

Here we go.....Diesel Horns...

On units that were built up to say the mid Eighties the horns are/ were placed on the cab. But it seems since then, all of the newer units and rebuilds have the horn placement mid body between fans. Is this to reduce the noise in the cab?

Trying to figure out where to toss the lasso...........to grab this bull by the.....

[CShaveRR]

The reason I've heard for that horn placement is to keep them from filling with snow in the winter. But I'm sure they're less noisy for cab occupants there, too.

Unfortunately, I just read somewhere that one of these frivolous (IMHO) lawsuits over a grade-crossing accident is citing this placement of the horns as a negative contributing factor and a cause of their victim's injury/death/whatever. I take great care to stay out of the way of the front end of trains (and we live in a horn-free-crossing zone, at least for now). Does anyone know whether this placement makes horns less effective?

[CShaveRR]

The reason I've heard for that horn placement is to keep them from filling with snow in the winter. But I'm sure they're less noisy for cab occupants there, too.

Unfortunately, I just read somewhere that one of these frivolous (IMHO) lawsuits over a grade-crossing accident is citing this placement of the horns as a negative contributing factor and a cause of their victim's injury/death/whatever. I take great care to stay out of the way of the front end of trains (and we live in a horn-free-crossing zone, at least for now). Does anyone know whether this placement makes horns less effective?

[dharmon]

I guess that makes sense ...snow...hmmm

Gracias

[dharmon]

I guess that makes sense ...snow...hmmm

Gracias

[mudchicken]

If you have guys riding the point on the front steps of the train, you want that whistle back on the long hood behind the cab - otherwise you go deaf without major hearing protection. Also is frequently why the headlights get pulled down into the nose is a crew vision thing....hopefully Ken, LC or Ed speaks up here. ATSF moved all their horns back to the long hood and repositioned lights in the early 1990's...

At a distance, the decibel levels are the same, all things being equal (and you can tell the ambulance chasers what I think of their tactics )[:(!]

[mudchicken]

If you have guys riding the point on the front steps of the train, you want that whistle back on the long hood behind the cab - otherwise you go deaf without major hearing protection. Also is frequently why the headlights get pulled down into the nose is a crew vision thing....hopefully Ken, LC or Ed speaks up here. ATSF moved all their horns back to the long hood and repositioned lights in the early 1990's...

At a distance, the decibel levels are the same, all things being equal (and you can tell the ambulance chasers what I think of their tactics )[:(!]

[tree68]

I would think the noise factor in the cab would be a major consideration. The guidelines for sirens on fire trucks and similar vehicles now call for the speaker, siren, and/or horns to be as far forward as possible, and low, too, so as to reduce the sound level in the cab of the truck.

[tree68]

I would think the noise factor in the cab would be a major consideration. The guidelines for sirens on fire trucks and similar vehicles now call for the speaker, siren, and/or horns to be as far forward as possible, and low, too, so as to reduce the sound level in the cab of the truck.

[Anonymous]

Speaking of air horns...What were the EMD Fs equipped with-Leslie S3 or WABCO horns?

[Anonymous]

Speaking of air horns...What were the EMD Fs equipped with-Leslie S3 or WABCO horns?

[edblysard]

On our MK1500Ds, the horns are on the cab roof, and yes, if there was a way to move them back I would love it.
Our engineers try hard not to blow your ears out when we have to ride in the front steps.

As for the headlights, we perfer them low, under the windshield, cuts down on glare and reflected light back into the engineers eyes from cars in the yard..
Works real well in yard service, when they are high up, you can lose sight of things, like switchmen, right in front of you low down on the ground.

Cabs have become a lot more quite over the years, and there are decible levels inside the cab that the loco makes have to insure are not breached.

Outside, you really dont want to be in front of the horn, even a single chime can rattle the old eardrums pretty good.

Ed

[edblysard]

On our MK1500Ds, the horns are on the cab roof, and yes, if there was a way to move them back I would love it.
Our engineers try hard not to blow your ears out when we have to ride in the front steps.

As for the headlights, we perfer them low, under the windshield, cuts down on glare and reflected light back into the engineers eyes from cars in the yard..
Works real well in yard service, when they are high up, you can lose sight of things, like switchmen, right in front of you low down on the ground.

Cabs have become a lot more quite over the years, and there are decible levels inside the cab that the loco makes have to insure are not breached.

Outside, you really dont want to be in front of the horn, even a single chime can rattle the old eardrums pretty good.

Ed

[M636C]

Guys,

I recall being told that the placement of the horns over the engine was to put them somewhere warm to prevent the horn and the operating valves freezing up in winter. But that was said by another Australian, and we don't do any of those things. Nothing freezes here, we just fit bigger radiators (or even bigger radiators). We still fit the horns near the cab on nearly everything. So I think that it may be some reason not important here.

Peter

[M636C]

Guys,

I recall being told that the placement of the horns over the engine was to put them somewhere warm to prevent the horn and the operating valves freezing up in winter. But that was said by another Australian, and we don't do any of those things. Nothing freezes here, we just fit bigger radiators (or even bigger radiators). We still fit the horns near the cab on nearly everything. So I think that it may be some reason not important here.

Peter

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

Guys,

I recall being told that the placement of the horns over the engine was to put them somewhere warm to prevent the horn and the operating valves freezing up in winter. But that was said by another Australian, and we don't do any of those things. Nothing freezes here, we just fit bigger radiators (or even bigger radiators). We still fit the horns near the cab on nearly everything. So I think that it may be some reason not important here.

Peter

Now the keeping them warm idea that makes sense. Not that I don't believe the filling with snow idea, but I started thinking about it, and we're not talking about something moving 200 kts here so the horns would still ingest snow, albeit at a lesser amount than if they were mounted on a leading edge...or in this case at the front of the cab. But if the radiant heat from the prime mover is helping to anti-ice or de-ice the working parts, combined with removing it from the leading surface.....that makes more sense to me....as well as lessening the Db level in the cab.

By the way...I've been hosting the RAAF No. 10 Squadron here the past couple of weeks. Great bunch of folks..

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

Guys,

I recall being told that the placement of the horns over the engine was to put them somewhere warm to prevent the horn and the operating valves freezing up in winter. But that was said by another Australian, and we don't do any of those things. Nothing freezes here, we just fit bigger radiators (or even bigger radiators). We still fit the horns near the cab on nearly everything. So I think that it may be some reason not important here.

Peter

Now the keeping them warm idea that makes sense. Not that I don't believe the filling with snow idea, but I started thinking about it, and we're not talking about something moving 200 kts here so the horns would still ingest snow, albeit at a lesser amount than if they were mounted on a leading edge...or in this case at the front of the cab. But if the radiant heat from the prime mover is helping to anti-ice or de-ice the working parts, combined with removing it from the leading surface.....that makes more sense to me....as well as lessening the Db level in the cab.

By the way...I've been hosting the RAAF No. 10 Squadron here the past couple of weeks. Great bunch of folks..