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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 1:54 PM
Thanks for the info. On Long Island the third rail is exposed especially near grade crossings, as there is a break in the third rail. I never remember hearing about injuries.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 1:54 PM
Thanks for the info. On Long Island the third rail is exposed especially near grade crossings, as there is a break in the third rail. I never remember hearing about injuries.
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Posted by zardoz on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 1:57 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by northwesterner
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BTW, is Zardoz pronounced like "No-Doze", or is it "Zar-Dots"? Just curious, since you are a regular.


Zardoz is pronounced like the zard in wizard, and oz as in Wizard of Oz.

My 'handle' is taken from the movie of the same name. It is a sci-fi movie from the '70's, with the storyline about a futuristic society where humans have divided into two "classes", the "Eternals" and the "Savages". Zardoz is the "God" of the savages, and all sorts of interesting social roles and societal values are explored. I cannot tell you more in case you decide to watch the movie--I do not want to give anything more away about the plot or ending.

It is a most excellent movie, if you're into that sort of thing.


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Posted by zardoz on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 1:57 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by northwesterner
.
BTW, is Zardoz pronounced like "No-Doze", or is it "Zar-Dots"? Just curious, since you are a regular.


Zardoz is pronounced like the zard in wizard, and oz as in Wizard of Oz.

My 'handle' is taken from the movie of the same name. It is a sci-fi movie from the '70's, with the storyline about a futuristic society where humans have divided into two "classes", the "Eternals" and the "Savages". Zardoz is the "God" of the savages, and all sorts of interesting social roles and societal values are explored. I cannot tell you more in case you decide to watch the movie--I do not want to give anything more away about the plot or ending.

It is a most excellent movie, if you're into that sort of thing.


p.s. thanks, Mookie
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Posted by dharmon on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 2:02 PM
Once again the great Zardoz has spoken ...hee.hee
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Posted by dharmon on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 2:02 PM
Once again the great Zardoz has spoken ...hee.hee
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Posted by Nora on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 3:59 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR

More on PRR position-light signals:

Nora mentioned that the horizontal (stop) aspect was two red lights on one signal, and three yellow ones on others in the yard. Red lights on a position-light signal mean that it's an absolute signal...stop and stay. Don't bother looking for a "D" sign; it won't be there. Three horizontal yellow lights are the most restrictive indication--usually Stop and Proceed--on a signal that isn't an absolute signal.


Yes, you are right, and I am an idiot, there ISN'T a D sign there. I had a look today, and it's a C. I could only see part of the sign from the angle I was at before and the part I saw looked like a D. Or maybe I should have just gotten my new contacts a lot sooner than I did.

But at least I'm not nearly so confused now, and I know what the D sign means if I ever do come across one! [8D]

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Posted by Nora on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 3:59 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR

More on PRR position-light signals:

Nora mentioned that the horizontal (stop) aspect was two red lights on one signal, and three yellow ones on others in the yard. Red lights on a position-light signal mean that it's an absolute signal...stop and stay. Don't bother looking for a "D" sign; it won't be there. Three horizontal yellow lights are the most restrictive indication--usually Stop and Proceed--on a signal that isn't an absolute signal.


Yes, you are right, and I am an idiot, there ISN'T a D sign there. I had a look today, and it's a C. I could only see part of the sign from the angle I was at before and the part I saw looked like a D. Or maybe I should have just gotten my new contacts a lot sooner than I did.

But at least I'm not nearly so confused now, and I know what the D sign means if I ever do come across one! [8D]

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Posted by northwesterner on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 5:58 PM
My thanks to all of you who pitched in on my questions - Jim, Dave H., and of course The Mook. I really enjoy this forum!

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Posted by northwesterner on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 5:58 PM
My thanks to all of you who pitched in on my questions - Jim, Dave H., and of course The Mook. I really enjoy this forum!

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Posted by locomutt on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 6:23 PM
Dear Zardoz,

The squirrels really are gathering nuts for the winter, and they are using
nets.
Beware[:D]
Looking forward to your future posts in the Forum[?]

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Posted by locomutt on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 6:23 PM
Dear Zardoz,

The squirrels really are gathering nuts for the winter, and they are using
nets.
Beware[:D]
Looking forward to your future posts in the Forum[?]

locomutt [8D]

Being Crazy,keeps you from going "INSANE" !! "The light at the end of the tunnel,has been turned off due to budget cuts" NOT AFRAID A Vet., and PROUD OF IT!!

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Posted by dharmon on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 7:09 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Nora
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But at least I'm not nearly so confused now, and I know what the D sign means if I ever do come across one! [8D]

--Nora


It means someone's grounded until their next report card. [:)]
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Posted by dharmon on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 7:09 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Nora
[
But at least I'm not nearly so confused now, and I know what the D sign means if I ever do come across one! [8D]

--Nora


It means someone's grounded until their next report card. [:)]
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Posted by Nora on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 7:31 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by Nora
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But at least I'm not nearly so confused now, and I know what the D sign means if I ever do come across one! [8D]

--Nora


It means someone's grounded until their next report card. [:)]


Oh, then I know from experience just what to do with those. You just erase really carefully and artfully draw in a "B" with a pencil. [}:)]

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Posted by Nora on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 7:31 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by Nora
[
But at least I'm not nearly so confused now, and I know what the D sign means if I ever do come across one! [8D]

--Nora


It means someone's grounded until their next report card. [:)]


Oh, then I know from experience just what to do with those. You just erase really carefully and artfully draw in a "B" with a pencil. [}:)]

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Posted by JoeKoh on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 7:56 PM
that works until it gets wet[}:)]
stay safe
joe

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Posted by JoeKoh on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 7:56 PM
that works until it gets wet[}:)]
stay safe
joe

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, December 4, 2003 6:56 AM
Response to two questions:
1. The reverse diagonal on position light signals is a Permissive indication, proceed at restricted speed not to exceed 15 MPH prepared to stop short of obstruction. The railroad professionals can help me out on this indication.
2. The third rail or overhead is always hot. The only exception that I've come across was the Yakima Valley Transportation in Washington, which turned off the power at night when nothing was scheduled to run.
The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul
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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, December 4, 2003 6:56 AM
Response to two questions:
1. The reverse diagonal on position light signals is a Permissive indication, proceed at restricted speed not to exceed 15 MPH prepared to stop short of obstruction. The railroad professionals can help me out on this indication.
2. The third rail or overhead is always hot. The only exception that I've come across was the Yakima Valley Transportation in Washington, which turned off the power at night when nothing was scheduled to run.
The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 1:12 PM
Thanks, Nora!

This question has probably been addressed somewhere in the forums, but I'm durned if I can find it.

When building a consist, how are the brake lines connected? Does someone have to walk along the consist and manually connect the brake lines? Is it the same procedure for disconnecting or does the line automatically disconnect when the car is uncoupled?

Thanks again!
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 1:12 PM
Thanks, Nora!

This question has probably been addressed somewhere in the forums, but I'm durned if I can find it.

When building a consist, how are the brake lines connected? Does someone have to walk along the consist and manually connect the brake lines? Is it the same procedure for disconnecting or does the line automatically disconnect when the car is uncoupled?

Thanks again!
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Posted by dharmon on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 1:17 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by joekc6nlx

Thanks, Nora!

This question has probably been addressed somewhere in the forums, but I'm durned if I can find it.

When building a consist, how are the brake lines connected? Does someone have to walk along the consist and manually connect the brake lines? Is it the same procedure for disconnecting or does the line automatically disconnect when the car is uncoupled?

Thanks again!


I think I can answer this....I probably ought to occasionally post on a RR subject anyway.

The brake lines are connected manually by someone walking along and connecting each pair...usually Ed Blysard......they automatically disconnect when the cars are uncoupled.
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Posted by dharmon on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 1:17 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by joekc6nlx

Thanks, Nora!

This question has probably been addressed somewhere in the forums, but I'm durned if I can find it.

When building a consist, how are the brake lines connected? Does someone have to walk along the consist and manually connect the brake lines? Is it the same procedure for disconnecting or does the line automatically disconnect when the car is uncoupled?

Thanks again!


I think I can answer this....I probably ought to occasionally post on a RR subject anyway.

The brake lines are connected manually by someone walking along and connecting each pair...usually Ed Blysard......they automatically disconnect when the cars are uncoupled.
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Posted by dehusman on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 2:01 PM
The brake lines manually couple and automatically uncouple. The couplers will automatically couple and manually uncouple.

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Posted by dehusman on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 2:01 PM
The brake lines manually couple and automatically uncouple. The couplers will automatically couple and manually uncouple.

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Posted by edblysard on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 3:14 PM
Joekc6nix.
Dan was right, someone has to walk the train and connect the hoses.
(usually my helper, rank has its priviliges)
The connection is called a glad hand, because when both hoses are connected, they look like they are shaking hands.

As long as the hoses hang downward, the connection is good, but streach the hoses away from each other, as when pulling one car away from another, and when the hoses reach a horizontal position, they seperate.

You would have to look at a glad hand to understand why and how they do this, and why they dont leak air when connected, but trust me, its a simple, but very effecient design.

As to who walks the train connecting the hoses, it depends on what the local union contract states.

Here, at the PTRA, I am required to make the first air joint between the engine and a cut of cars, connect the hoses and cut in the air.

Then if we double over to another track, I have to make that joint, and the next four air joints. Any more than that, the car men have to connect them, I just couple the cars up.

In the yard, before a engine is coupled to a outbound train, the carmen are responsible for making up all the air joints between all the cars, lacing up the tracks and doing a air brake test before they release the track, and the outbound's conductor is responsible for the first air joint between the locomotive and the track..

Out in the field the conductor and the switchmen are required to lace up the cars and perform a set and release, then a walk set on the brakes.

Help any?
Ed

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Posted by edblysard on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 3:14 PM
Joekc6nix.
Dan was right, someone has to walk the train and connect the hoses.
(usually my helper, rank has its priviliges)
The connection is called a glad hand, because when both hoses are connected, they look like they are shaking hands.

As long as the hoses hang downward, the connection is good, but streach the hoses away from each other, as when pulling one car away from another, and when the hoses reach a horizontal position, they seperate.

You would have to look at a glad hand to understand why and how they do this, and why they dont leak air when connected, but trust me, its a simple, but very effecient design.

As to who walks the train connecting the hoses, it depends on what the local union contract states.

Here, at the PTRA, I am required to make the first air joint between the engine and a cut of cars, connect the hoses and cut in the air.

Then if we double over to another track, I have to make that joint, and the next four air joints. Any more than that, the car men have to connect them, I just couple the cars up.

In the yard, before a engine is coupled to a outbound train, the carmen are responsible for making up all the air joints between all the cars, lacing up the tracks and doing a air brake test before they release the track, and the outbound's conductor is responsible for the first air joint between the locomotive and the track..

Out in the field the conductor and the switchmen are required to lace up the cars and perform a set and release, then a walk set on the brakes.

Help any?
Ed

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:26 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Joekc6nix.
Dan was right, someone has to walk the train and connect the hoses.
(usually my helper, rank has its priviliges)
The connection is called a glad hand, because when both hoses are connected, they look like they are shaking hands.

As long as the hoses hang downward, the connection is good, but streach the hoses away from each other, as when pulling one car away from another, and when the hoses reach a horizontal position, they seperate.

You would have to look at a glad hand to understand why and how they do this, and why they dont leak air when connected, but trust me, its a simple, but very effecient design.

As to who walks the train connecting the hoses, it depends on what the local union contract states.

Here, at the PTRA, I am required to make the first air joint between the engine and a cut of cars, connect the hoses and cut in the air.

Then if we double over to another track, I have to make that joint, and the next four air joints. Any more than that, the car men have to connect them, I just couple the cars up.

In the yard, before a engine is coupled to a outbound train, the carmen are responsible for making up all the air joints between all the cars, lacing up the tracks and doing a air brake test before they release the track, and the outbound's conductor is responsible for the first air joint between the locomotive and the track..

Out in the field the conductor and the switchmen are required to lace up the cars and perform a set and release, then a walk set on the brakes.

Help any?
Ed


Absolutely! Thank you for a most comprehensive answer. I'm beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel, but for some reason, it seems to be moving towards me faster than I'm moving towards it.....[:0] And once again, thank you to Nora and to all who have made entries to this thread. This is one of the best threads I've read and contains a grunch of information!

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:26 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Joekc6nix.
Dan was right, someone has to walk the train and connect the hoses.
(usually my helper, rank has its priviliges)
The connection is called a glad hand, because when both hoses are connected, they look like they are shaking hands.

As long as the hoses hang downward, the connection is good, but streach the hoses away from each other, as when pulling one car away from another, and when the hoses reach a horizontal position, they seperate.

You would have to look at a glad hand to understand why and how they do this, and why they dont leak air when connected, but trust me, its a simple, but very effecient design.

As to who walks the train connecting the hoses, it depends on what the local union contract states.

Here, at the PTRA, I am required to make the first air joint between the engine and a cut of cars, connect the hoses and cut in the air.

Then if we double over to another track, I have to make that joint, and the next four air joints. Any more than that, the car men have to connect them, I just couple the cars up.

In the yard, before a engine is coupled to a outbound train, the carmen are responsible for making up all the air joints between all the cars, lacing up the tracks and doing a air brake test before they release the track, and the outbound's conductor is responsible for the first air joint between the locomotive and the track..

Out in the field the conductor and the switchmen are required to lace up the cars and perform a set and release, then a walk set on the brakes.

Help any?
Ed


Absolutely! Thank you for a most comprehensive answer. I'm beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel, but for some reason, it seems to be moving towards me faster than I'm moving towards it.....[:0] And once again, thank you to Nora and to all who have made entries to this thread. This is one of the best threads I've read and contains a grunch of information!

Joe

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