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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:57 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH

There was a period of several days when one rail was continuous welded rail and the other rail was jointed rail.



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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:57 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH

There was a period of several days when one rail was continuous welded rail and the other rail was jointed rail.



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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:40 AM
Way back in the late 1960's, Penn Central put down continuous welded rail on the Bernice Cut-off (SC&S) line through Hegewisch. The rail was placed alongside both sides of the existing track and then was moved into place one side at a time. There was a period of several days when one rail was continuous welded rail and the other rail was jointed rail.
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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:40 AM
Way back in the late 1960's, Penn Central put down continuous welded rail on the Bernice Cut-off (SC&S) line through Hegewisch. The rail was placed alongside both sides of the existing track and then was moved into place one side at a time. There was a period of several days when one rail was continuous welded rail and the other rail was jointed rail.
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Posted by dehusman on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 6:13 AM
CWR = Continuous welded rail, or rail that has been welded into 1/4 mile 'strings". As opposed to jointed rail where there is a joint every 39 ft.

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Posted by dehusman on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 6:13 AM
CWR = Continuous welded rail, or rail that has been welded into 1/4 mile 'strings". As opposed to jointed rail where there is a joint every 39 ft.

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Posted by dehusman on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 6:12 AM
CWR = Continuous welded rail, or rail that has been welded into 1/4 mile 'strings". As opposed to jointed rail where there is a joint every 39 ft.

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Posted by dehusman on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 6:12 AM
CWR = Continuous welded rail, or rail that has been welded into 1/4 mile 'strings". As opposed to jointed rail where there is a joint every 39 ft.

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Posted by Mikeygaw on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:34 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton

How much track are they replacing, is it CWR, and how long is the line closed for this work?
It could be that the scheduling and the amount of work that can be done during a closure makes more sense to do it this way.

Think about this: You have to fry 3 slices of bread.. It takes 10 seconds to fry one side of each piece. You have a frying pan that holds 2 slices of bread at a time. What's the shortest time that this can be done?


seems that that they're doing the one rail the whole way and then double backing for the other rail...
Not sure what CWR stands for.
they seem to close off one smaller section of the line for maybe two to three days for the work. and they have a rail along the length of the section to be done (i assume to be installed).
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Posted by Mikeygaw on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:34 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton

How much track are they replacing, is it CWR, and how long is the line closed for this work?
It could be that the scheduling and the amount of work that can be done during a closure makes more sense to do it this way.

Think about this: You have to fry 3 slices of bread.. It takes 10 seconds to fry one side of each piece. You have a frying pan that holds 2 slices of bread at a time. What's the shortest time that this can be done?


seems that that they're doing the one rail the whole way and then double backing for the other rail...
Not sure what CWR stands for.
they seem to close off one smaller section of the line for maybe two to three days for the work. and they have a rail along the length of the section to be done (i assume to be installed).
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Posted by Hugh Jampton on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 8:30 PM
How much track are they replacing, is it CWR, and how long is the line closed for this work?
It could be that the scheduling and the amount of work that can be done during a closure makes more sense to do it this way.

Think about this: You have to fry 3 slices of bread.. It takes 10 seconds to fry one side of each piece. You have a frying pan that holds 2 slices of bread at a time. What's the shortest time that this can be done?
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Posted by Hugh Jampton on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 8:30 PM
How much track are they replacing, is it CWR, and how long is the line closed for this work?
It could be that the scheduling and the amount of work that can be done during a closure makes more sense to do it this way.

Think about this: You have to fry 3 slices of bread.. It takes 10 seconds to fry one side of each piece. You have a frying pan that holds 2 slices of bread at a time. What's the shortest time that this can be done?
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Posted by Mikeygaw on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 5:57 PM
ok here's one, ther'e some track work being done on a line that serves a chemical company near me... they seem to be replacing the track... seems like they're replacing one side of the rails, waiting, then replacing the other side several weeks later with the line being used in between... any reason for that? could i just be perseving it wrong?
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Posted by Mikeygaw on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 5:57 PM
ok here's one, ther'e some track work being done on a line that serves a chemical company near me... they seem to be replacing the track... seems like they're replacing one side of the rails, waiting, then replacing the other side several weeks later with the line being used in between... any reason for that? could i just be perseving it wrong?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 2:46 AM
The line is single tracked and runs from the wye (North Little Rock) at around 12th or 13th street and towards Conway, Russelville, Van Buren, Fort Smith. This is the Van Buren sub of Union Pacific. I will get some milepost numbers and post them later on.

The guy who told me they were always red in one direction is a retired MOPAC engineer. He also told me a story about him running 2 engines on a heavy train. He said he was going uphill and making only like 5 mph. All of a sudden a HIrail popped up over the hill headed for them. He put his train in emergency and the Hirail slammed on the brakes. They met bumber to bumber. Turned out to be some managers or such out joyridding and they didn't bother to ask for track and time. Their attitude was "no harm, no foul, now keep it quite, and back to work".

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 2:46 AM
The line is single tracked and runs from the wye (North Little Rock) at around 12th or 13th street and towards Conway, Russelville, Van Buren, Fort Smith. This is the Van Buren sub of Union Pacific. I will get some milepost numbers and post them later on.

The guy who told me they were always red in one direction is a retired MOPAC engineer. He also told me a story about him running 2 engines on a heavy train. He said he was going uphill and making only like 5 mph. All of a sudden a HIrail popped up over the hill headed for them. He put his train in emergency and the Hirail slammed on the brakes. They met bumber to bumber. Turned out to be some managers or such out joyridding and they didn't bother to ask for track and time. Their attitude was "no harm, no foul, now keep it quite, and back to work".

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, July 19, 2004 11:18 AM
Jim, your signals in opposite directions, facing outward less than a quarter-mile apart, sound like home signals for an interlocking. They'll stay red until the interlocking operator (usually the dispatcher nowadays, but maybe a train itself in the case of an automatic interlocking) lines up a route.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, July 19, 2004 11:18 AM
Jim, your signals in opposite directions, facing outward less than a quarter-mile apart, sound like home signals for an interlocking. They'll stay red until the interlocking operator (usually the dispatcher nowadays, but maybe a train itself in the case of an automatic interlocking) lines up a route.

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Posted by mudchicken on Monday, July 19, 2004 10:43 AM
CTC Plant, lined up for direction of movement. (In ABS territory you could have green in both directions, and then there is CTC/ABS overlap sections)

Or you have a signal maintainer out there somewhere doing tests (making sure those pesky DC electrons do what they're told!)

Really truly have to know the turf you're operating on and then always be looking for the unexpected. When you get too complacent around a signal system, it will sooner or later jump up and bite you....

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Posted by mudchicken on Monday, July 19, 2004 10:43 AM
CTC Plant, lined up for direction of movement. (In ABS territory you could have green in both directions, and then there is CTC/ABS overlap sections)

Or you have a signal maintainer out there somewhere doing tests (making sure those pesky DC electrons do what they're told!)

Really truly have to know the turf you're operating on and then always be looking for the unexpected. When you get too complacent around a signal system, it will sooner or later jump up and bite you....

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 19, 2004 9:48 AM
I heard a railroader say once that signals were always red in one direction and green for the other. That made sense to me. BUT the other day I noticed a red signal for one direction and just up the line not more than one quarter of a mile another signal was red for the opposite direction. How can that be? There were no trains coming from either direction and wouldn't be for at least an hour or more. I am sooooooo confussed. [B)] [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 19, 2004 9:48 AM
I heard a railroader say once that signals were always red in one direction and green for the other. That made sense to me. BUT the other day I noticed a red signal for one direction and just up the line not more than one quarter of a mile another signal was red for the opposite direction. How can that be? There were no trains coming from either direction and wouldn't be for at least an hour or more. I am sooooooo confussed. [B)] [;)]
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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Monday, July 12, 2004 2:55 PM
Rail-to-Water Transfer (aka KCBX Terminals) in Chicago at 100th St and the Calumet River also uses a car shaker. It lowers onto the top of the hopper and shakes the car on its springs. The cars stay coupled and are on a continuous track.
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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Monday, July 12, 2004 2:55 PM
Rail-to-Water Transfer (aka KCBX Terminals) in Chicago at 100th St and the Calumet River also uses a car shaker. It lowers onto the top of the hopper and shakes the car on its springs. The cars stay coupled and are on a continuous track.
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Posted by tree68 on Monday, July 12, 2004 11:00 AM
The unloader at the steam plant here uses a car shaker. You can tell if they are using it from some distance as it shakes other buildings in the area. I've never actually seen it, so have no idea what it looks like - it's in the dumping shed. They dump one car at a time, then advance the string using a RCL.

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Posted by tree68 on Monday, July 12, 2004 11:00 AM
The unloader at the steam plant here uses a car shaker. You can tell if they are using it from some distance as it shakes other buildings in the area. I've never actually seen it, so have no idea what it looks like - it's in the dumping shed. They dump one car at a time, then advance the string using a RCL.

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Posted by wabash1 on Monday, July 12, 2004 7:24 AM
they thaw a car ( around here anyways) with what looks like big toaster grids. before you get to the dumping pit there is a building extension built off of the pit. it has big heaters ( some time used in old manufacturing shops) they are 5ft long and 3 feet wide and hung on the wall 4 high. from ground up and spaced 4ft apart. then the go back to 4- 5 cars long. both sides.( there is plenty of heaters) now when a train is comming through the building even the engines get hot but we are going faster than what we drag the cars at (so we dont get over heated) the coal cars will be in this heated arrangement for over 30 minutes . at 3 tenths of 1 mph it goes by slow and it is only to thaw the ice in the coal so it will dump easier .
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Posted by wabash1 on Monday, July 12, 2004 7:24 AM
they thaw a car ( around here anyways) with what looks like big toaster grids. before you get to the dumping pit there is a building extension built off of the pit. it has big heaters ( some time used in old manufacturing shops) they are 5ft long and 3 feet wide and hung on the wall 4 high. from ground up and spaced 4ft apart. then the go back to 4- 5 cars long. both sides.( there is plenty of heaters) now when a train is comming through the building even the engines get hot but we are going faster than what we drag the cars at (so we dont get over heated) the coal cars will be in this heated arrangement for over 30 minutes . at 3 tenths of 1 mph it goes by slow and it is only to thaw the ice in the coal so it will dump easier .
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 12, 2004 1:13 AM
OK, I have one. [:D]

I saw a coal train of empties headed out of town Saturday. I noticed on the cars the following words:

Aluminum Car

Radiant Thaw

Heat Only

The words might not be in correct order but you get the message.

Someone explain how you thaw a car with radiant heat? Is it with heat lamps or are they too hot? And how long does it take to thaw a coal car using radiant heat?

Next question, what other methods of thawing a coal car are used? [?]

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 12, 2004 1:13 AM
OK, I have one. [:D]

I saw a coal train of empties headed out of town Saturday. I noticed on the cars the following words:

Aluminum Car

Radiant Thaw

Heat Only

The words might not be in correct order but you get the message.

Someone explain how you thaw a car with radiant heat? Is it with heat lamps or are they too hot? And how long does it take to thaw a coal car using radiant heat?

Next question, what other methods of thawing a coal car are used? [?]

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