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Trainnut484
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Posted by Trainnut484 on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 9:10 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

Trainnut484 The commuter car is a recent addition. I am not sure how long it has been there. I noticed it in July when I went up there for my mother's birthday. The Frisco never operated a car like that.


I think the commuter car is ex CN&W. Yeah, the put-put was there too LOL. There used to be a shed, or mini put-put house[:D], on the West side of the ATSF depot in Emporia, KS many many years ago. I barely remember it, and I have old photos of it.
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Posted by Trainnut484 on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 9:10 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

Trainnut484 The commuter car is a recent addition. I am not sure how long it has been there. I noticed it in July when I went up there for my mother's birthday. The Frisco never operated a car like that.


I think the commuter car is ex CN&W. Yeah, the put-put was there too LOL. There used to be a shed, or mini put-put house[:D], on the West side of the ATSF depot in Emporia, KS many many years ago. I barely remember it, and I have old photos of it.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 1:00 PM
Trainnut484

The following paragraph is a quote from Trainnut484. (I have never used a quote so I will have to learn how. I am sure some of you will help me on this.)

I think the commuter car is ex CN&W. Yeah, the put-put was there too LOL. There used to be a shed, or mini put-put house, on the West side of the ATSF depot in Emporia, KS many many years ago. I barely remember it, and I have old photos of it.
(end of quote)

O K Trainnut484 Pick upself up off the floor and stop laughing. LOL You know how kids are, or were. And put-put cars is just as good a title as Jen's "yellow thingies". No offense intended Jen, forgive me if you are.

Anyway better to have a good laugh than point fingers and call people names. And if anyone got a good laugh out of put-put cars, then so be it. Glad to help brighten your day.

Everyone take care and remember, Look, Listen, and Live.

Don't forget our troops overseas defending our nation.




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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 1:00 PM
Trainnut484

The following paragraph is a quote from Trainnut484. (I have never used a quote so I will have to learn how. I am sure some of you will help me on this.)

I think the commuter car is ex CN&W. Yeah, the put-put was there too LOL. There used to be a shed, or mini put-put house, on the West side of the ATSF depot in Emporia, KS many many years ago. I barely remember it, and I have old photos of it.
(end of quote)

O K Trainnut484 Pick upself up off the floor and stop laughing. LOL You know how kids are, or were. And put-put cars is just as good a title as Jen's "yellow thingies". No offense intended Jen, forgive me if you are.

Anyway better to have a good laugh than point fingers and call people names. And if anyone got a good laugh out of put-put cars, then so be it. Glad to help brighten your day.

Everyone take care and remember, Look, Listen, and Live.

Don't forget our troops overseas defending our nation.




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Posted by sooblue on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 11:04 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

Trainnut484

The following paragraph is a quote from Trainnut484. (I have never used a quote so I will have to learn how. I am sure some of you will help me on this.)

I think the commuter car is ex CN&W. Yeah, the put-put was there too LOL. There used to be a shed, or mini put-put house, on the West side of the ATSF depot in Emporia, KS many many years ago. I barely remember it, and I have old photos of it.
(end of quote)

O K Trainnut484 Pick upself up off the floor and stop laughing. LOL You know how kids are, or were. And put-put cars is just as good a title as Jen's "yellow thingies". No offense intended Jen, forgive me if you are.

Anyway better to have a good laugh than point fingers and call people names. And if anyone got a good laugh out of put-put cars, then so be it. Glad to help brighten your day.

Everyone take care and remember, Look, Listen, and Live.

Don't forget our troops overseas defending our nation.


Hey! when we heard the PUT PUT PUT comming down the track we ran into the woods and hid. Something that slow meant that some RR *** could catch us. [:D][:D]
Sure their speeders, but they would be better called what they sounded like.
Sooblue
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Posted by sooblue on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 11:04 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

Trainnut484

The following paragraph is a quote from Trainnut484. (I have never used a quote so I will have to learn how. I am sure some of you will help me on this.)

I think the commuter car is ex CN&W. Yeah, the put-put was there too LOL. There used to be a shed, or mini put-put house, on the West side of the ATSF depot in Emporia, KS many many years ago. I barely remember it, and I have old photos of it.
(end of quote)

O K Trainnut484 Pick upself up off the floor and stop laughing. LOL You know how kids are, or were. And put-put cars is just as good a title as Jen's "yellow thingies". No offense intended Jen, forgive me if you are.

Anyway better to have a good laugh than point fingers and call people names. And if anyone got a good laugh out of put-put cars, then so be it. Glad to help brighten your day.

Everyone take care and remember, Look, Listen, and Live.

Don't forget our troops overseas defending our nation.


Hey! when we heard the PUT PUT PUT comming down the track we ran into the woods and hid. Something that slow meant that some RR *** could catch us. [:D][:D]
Sure their speeders, but they would be better called what they sounded like.
Sooblue
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Posted by sooblue on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 11:24 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by AltonFan

jhhtrainsplanes,

Apparently, "Four Aces" wasn't set up to use the poor quality coal that the Northern Pacific used. There was also damage to the crown sheet while the engine was in use on the NP, and apparently NP was stuck between paying for repairs and returning the engine to Timken, or buying it outright. It sounds to me like the engine was basically sound, but not suited to NP's particular situation.

QUOTE: In the article there was a picture that showed a line up of women who pulled that engine by hand down the rail. (P. R. photo)

sooblue,

I thought the picture you mention was of a NYC Niagara.


No, it was a four aces publicity photo for timken bearings.

Concerning NPs use of it.
NPs 2-8-8-4s had huge grates which made them superior steamers when the DM&IR bought them.
NP needed larger grates to overcome poor coal.
As far as the crown sheet damage goes, Low water is about the only way to damage it and that would be opperator error. (who ever the opperator was they were lucky)
Most people never know it when the crown sheet gets damaged. They don't even hear the explosion!

Most of the bad steaming 4-8-4s were in house morphadites.
However there were some experiments in ultra-high pressure boilers that the engine crews didn't like to be around and the engines were shopped too much so they got torched quick.
Mostly water tube fireboxes and convetional type boilers. The water tubes heated the water in the boiler.
Sooblue


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Posted by sooblue on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 11:24 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by AltonFan

jhhtrainsplanes,

Apparently, "Four Aces" wasn't set up to use the poor quality coal that the Northern Pacific used. There was also damage to the crown sheet while the engine was in use on the NP, and apparently NP was stuck between paying for repairs and returning the engine to Timken, or buying it outright. It sounds to me like the engine was basically sound, but not suited to NP's particular situation.

QUOTE: In the article there was a picture that showed a line up of women who pulled that engine by hand down the rail. (P. R. photo)

sooblue,

I thought the picture you mention was of a NYC Niagara.


No, it was a four aces publicity photo for timken bearings.

Concerning NPs use of it.
NPs 2-8-8-4s had huge grates which made them superior steamers when the DM&IR bought them.
NP needed larger grates to overcome poor coal.
As far as the crown sheet damage goes, Low water is about the only way to damage it and that would be opperator error. (who ever the opperator was they were lucky)
Most people never know it when the crown sheet gets damaged. They don't even hear the explosion!

Most of the bad steaming 4-8-4s were in house morphadites.
However there were some experiments in ultra-high pressure boilers that the engine crews didn't like to be around and the engines were shopped too much so they got torched quick.
Mostly water tube fireboxes and convetional type boilers. The water tubes heated the water in the boiler.
Sooblue


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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 7, 2003 1:21 AM

Hey! when we heard the PUT PUT PUT comming down the track we ran into the woods and hid. Something that slow meant that some RR *** could catch us. [:D][:D]
Sure their speeders, but they would be better called what they sounded like.
Sooblue



Sooblue, whatever would you have been doing to need to run from such nice rr people? [?] Surely your were not being a bad boy[:0] were you? [V] LOL [:D]

I hope the quote works. There has to be a better way than what I did. I need some help in this area. Please somebody help me, help me.[;)]

Take care, and stay safe. Hey everyone[;)] Look, Listen, and Live [:)]

Have a great day [:)] [:D] [:)]

Please remember our troops serving their country overseas.





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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 7, 2003 1:21 AM

Hey! when we heard the PUT PUT PUT comming down the track we ran into the woods and hid. Something that slow meant that some RR *** could catch us. [:D][:D]
Sure their speeders, but they would be better called what they sounded like.
Sooblue



Sooblue, whatever would you have been doing to need to run from such nice rr people? [?] Surely your were not being a bad boy[:0] were you? [V] LOL [:D]

I hope the quote works. There has to be a better way than what I did. I need some help in this area. Please somebody help me, help me.[;)]

Take care, and stay safe. Hey everyone[;)] Look, Listen, and Live [:)]

Have a great day [:)] [:D] [:)]

Please remember our troops serving their country overseas.





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sooblue
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Posted by sooblue on Thursday, August 7, 2003 8:14 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes


Hey! when we heard the PUT PUT PUT comming down the track we ran into the woods and hid. Something that slow meant that some RR *** could catch us. [:D][:D]
Sure their speeders, but they would be better called what they sounded like.
Sooblue



Sooblue, whatever would you have been doing to need to run from such nice rr people? [?] Surely your were not being a bad boy[:0] were you? [V] LOL [:D]

I hope the quote works. There has to be a better way than what I did. I need some help in this area. Please somebody help me, help me.[;)]

Take care, and stay safe. Hey everyone[;)] Look, Listen, and Live [:)]

Have a great day [:)] [:D] [:)]

Please remember our troops serving their country overseas.


All you have to do is click on the word quote in the upper right hand corner of any post.

We never took a chance on gettin caught on the tracks. One day we were in the weeds and a giant flame thrower went by. We saw that comin down the tracks and had to move to our deeper den fast. The banks on either side of the tracks were honey combed with forts.
Ah the fifties!
Sooblue
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sooblue
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Posted by sooblue on Thursday, August 7, 2003 8:14 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes


Hey! when we heard the PUT PUT PUT comming down the track we ran into the woods and hid. Something that slow meant that some RR *** could catch us. [:D][:D]
Sure their speeders, but they would be better called what they sounded like.
Sooblue



Sooblue, whatever would you have been doing to need to run from such nice rr people? [?] Surely your were not being a bad boy[:0] were you? [V] LOL [:D]

I hope the quote works. There has to be a better way than what I did. I need some help in this area. Please somebody help me, help me.[;)]

Take care, and stay safe. Hey everyone[;)] Look, Listen, and Live [:)]

Have a great day [:)] [:D] [:)]

Please remember our troops serving their country overseas.


All you have to do is click on the word quote in the upper right hand corner of any post.

We never took a chance on gettin caught on the tracks. One day we were in the weeds and a giant flame thrower went by. We saw that comin down the tracks and had to move to our deeper den fast. The banks on either side of the tracks were honey combed with forts.
Ah the fifties!
Sooblue
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 8, 2003 1:21 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by sooblue

QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes


Hey! when we heard the PUT PUT PUT comming down the track we ran into the woods and hid. Something that slow meant that some RR *** could catch us. [:D][:D]
Sure their speeders, but they would be better called what they sounded like.
Sooblue



Sooblue, whatever would you have been doing to need to run from such nice rr people? [?] Surely your were not being a bad boy[:0] were you? [V] LOL [:D]

I hope the quote works. There has to be a better way than what I did. I need some help in this area. Please somebody help me, help me.[;)]

Take care, and stay safe. Hey everyone[;)] Look, Listen, and Live [:)]

Have a great day [:)] [:D] [:)]

Please remember our troops serving their country overseas.


All you have to do is click on the word quote in the upper right hand corner of any post.

We never took a chance on gettin caught on the tracks. One day we were in the weeds and a giant flame thrower went by. We saw that comin down the tracks and had to move to our deeper den fast. The banks on either side of the tracks were honey combed with forts.
Ah the fifties!
Sooblue




O K Let's see if this worked.

Sooblue In our area most of the fields near the track were pastures (ours included).
So we couldn't hide very well if we were bad boys (maybe behind a cow or a bale of hay). [:D]

If you really are bored look for Bois D' Arc, Missouri on the map. [;)]
I don't live there now (in AR) but that is where I grew up. Frisco country.

Also only the MOW or signal maintainers used the put-put cars.

Everyone stay safe, and Look, Listen, and LIVE

Don't forget the troops.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 8, 2003 1:21 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by sooblue

QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes


Hey! when we heard the PUT PUT PUT comming down the track we ran into the woods and hid. Something that slow meant that some RR *** could catch us. [:D][:D]
Sure their speeders, but they would be better called what they sounded like.
Sooblue



Sooblue, whatever would you have been doing to need to run from such nice rr people? [?] Surely your were not being a bad boy[:0] were you? [V] LOL [:D]

I hope the quote works. There has to be a better way than what I did. I need some help in this area. Please somebody help me, help me.[;)]

Take care, and stay safe. Hey everyone[;)] Look, Listen, and Live [:)]

Have a great day [:)] [:D] [:)]

Please remember our troops serving their country overseas.


All you have to do is click on the word quote in the upper right hand corner of any post.

We never took a chance on gettin caught on the tracks. One day we were in the weeds and a giant flame thrower went by. We saw that comin down the tracks and had to move to our deeper den fast. The banks on either side of the tracks were honey combed with forts.
Ah the fifties!
Sooblue




O K Let's see if this worked.

Sooblue In our area most of the fields near the track were pastures (ours included).
So we couldn't hide very well if we were bad boys (maybe behind a cow or a bale of hay). [:D]

If you really are bored look for Bois D' Arc, Missouri on the map. [;)]
I don't live there now (in AR) but that is where I grew up. Frisco country.

Also only the MOW or signal maintainers used the put-put cars.

Everyone stay safe, and Look, Listen, and LIVE

Don't forget the troops.
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Posted by bigboy4024 on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:01 AM
i dont think ther ever was a bad 4-8-4. those northerns were pritty versitile on what they did. they did there job and they did it well. take a look at the milwaukee roads s-3 class they were light enugh to go all over the route they were desighined for, and if i recall the last 4-8-4 to operate was an s-3 class. the s-3 class has ran for a total of ten years not because they were bad they just came too late. well hope this helps big boy
have safe and happy steam season
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Posted by bigboy4024 on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:01 AM
i dont think ther ever was a bad 4-8-4. those northerns were pritty versitile on what they did. they did there job and they did it well. take a look at the milwaukee roads s-3 class they were light enugh to go all over the route they were desighined for, and if i recall the last 4-8-4 to operate was an s-3 class. the s-3 class has ran for a total of ten years not because they were bad they just came too late. well hope this helps big boy
have safe and happy steam season
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:23 AM
Don't believe there were any bad running 4-8-4's . Some were
just better looking than others. The best were NC&StL's J-3's, N&W J's
and Milwaukee's S-3. Talk to the old NC men and they sure loved the J-3's.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:23 AM
Don't believe there were any bad running 4-8-4's . Some were
just better looking than others. The best were NC&StL's J-3's, N&W J's
and Milwaukee's S-3. Talk to the old NC men and they sure loved the J-3's.
harry
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