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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:23 AM
Don't believe there were any bad running 4-8-4's . Some were
just better looking than others. The best were NC&StL's J-3's, N&W J's
and Milwaukee's S-3. Talk to the old NC men and they sure loved the J-3's.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:23 AM
Don't believe there were any bad running 4-8-4's . Some were
just better looking than others. The best were NC&StL's J-3's, N&W J's
and Milwaukee's S-3. Talk to the old NC men and they sure loved the J-3's.
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Posted by bigboy4024 on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:01 AM
i dont think ther ever was a bad 4-8-4. those northerns were pritty versitile on what they did. they did there job and they did it well. take a look at the milwaukee roads s-3 class they were light enugh to go all over the route they were desighined for, and if i recall the last 4-8-4 to operate was an s-3 class. the s-3 class has ran for a total of ten years not because they were bad they just came too late. well hope this helps big boy
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Posted by bigboy4024 on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:01 AM
i dont think ther ever was a bad 4-8-4. those northerns were pritty versitile on what they did. they did there job and they did it well. take a look at the milwaukee roads s-3 class they were light enugh to go all over the route they were desighined for, and if i recall the last 4-8-4 to operate was an s-3 class. the s-3 class has ran for a total of ten years not because they were bad they just came too late. well hope this helps big boy
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 8, 2003 1:21 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by sooblue

QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes


Hey! when we heard the PUT PUT PUT comming down the track we ran into the woods and hid. Something that slow meant that some RR *** could catch us. [:D][:D]
Sure their speeders, but they would be better called what they sounded like.
Sooblue



Sooblue, whatever would you have been doing to need to run from such nice rr people? [?] Surely your were not being a bad boy[:0] were you? [V] LOL [:D]

I hope the quote works. There has to be a better way than what I did. I need some help in this area. Please somebody help me, help me.[;)]

Take care, and stay safe. Hey everyone[;)] Look, Listen, and Live [:)]

Have a great day [:)] [:D] [:)]

Please remember our troops serving their country overseas.


All you have to do is click on the word quote in the upper right hand corner of any post.

We never took a chance on gettin caught on the tracks. One day we were in the weeds and a giant flame thrower went by. We saw that comin down the tracks and had to move to our deeper den fast. The banks on either side of the tracks were honey combed with forts.
Ah the fifties!
Sooblue




O K Let's see if this worked.

Sooblue In our area most of the fields near the track were pastures (ours included).
So we couldn't hide very well if we were bad boys (maybe behind a cow or a bale of hay). [:D]

If you really are bored look for Bois D' Arc, Missouri on the map. [;)]
I don't live there now (in AR) but that is where I grew up. Frisco country.

Also only the MOW or signal maintainers used the put-put cars.

Everyone stay safe, and Look, Listen, and LIVE

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 8, 2003 1:21 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by sooblue

QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes


Hey! when we heard the PUT PUT PUT comming down the track we ran into the woods and hid. Something that slow meant that some RR *** could catch us. [:D][:D]
Sure their speeders, but they would be better called what they sounded like.
Sooblue



Sooblue, whatever would you have been doing to need to run from such nice rr people? [?] Surely your were not being a bad boy[:0] were you? [V] LOL [:D]

I hope the quote works. There has to be a better way than what I did. I need some help in this area. Please somebody help me, help me.[;)]

Take care, and stay safe. Hey everyone[;)] Look, Listen, and Live [:)]

Have a great day [:)] [:D] [:)]

Please remember our troops serving their country overseas.


All you have to do is click on the word quote in the upper right hand corner of any post.

We never took a chance on gettin caught on the tracks. One day we were in the weeds and a giant flame thrower went by. We saw that comin down the tracks and had to move to our deeper den fast. The banks on either side of the tracks were honey combed with forts.
Ah the fifties!
Sooblue




O K Let's see if this worked.

Sooblue In our area most of the fields near the track were pastures (ours included).
So we couldn't hide very well if we were bad boys (maybe behind a cow or a bale of hay). [:D]

If you really are bored look for Bois D' Arc, Missouri on the map. [;)]
I don't live there now (in AR) but that is where I grew up. Frisco country.

Also only the MOW or signal maintainers used the put-put cars.

Everyone stay safe, and Look, Listen, and LIVE

Don't forget the troops.
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Posted by sooblue on Thursday, August 7, 2003 8:14 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes


Hey! when we heard the PUT PUT PUT comming down the track we ran into the woods and hid. Something that slow meant that some RR *** could catch us. [:D][:D]
Sure their speeders, but they would be better called what they sounded like.
Sooblue



Sooblue, whatever would you have been doing to need to run from such nice rr people? [?] Surely your were not being a bad boy[:0] were you? [V] LOL [:D]

I hope the quote works. There has to be a better way than what I did. I need some help in this area. Please somebody help me, help me.[;)]

Take care, and stay safe. Hey everyone[;)] Look, Listen, and Live [:)]

Have a great day [:)] [:D] [:)]

Please remember our troops serving their country overseas.


All you have to do is click on the word quote in the upper right hand corner of any post.

We never took a chance on gettin caught on the tracks. One day we were in the weeds and a giant flame thrower went by. We saw that comin down the tracks and had to move to our deeper den fast. The banks on either side of the tracks were honey combed with forts.
Ah the fifties!
Sooblue
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Posted by sooblue on Thursday, August 7, 2003 8:14 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes


Hey! when we heard the PUT PUT PUT comming down the track we ran into the woods and hid. Something that slow meant that some RR *** could catch us. [:D][:D]
Sure their speeders, but they would be better called what they sounded like.
Sooblue



Sooblue, whatever would you have been doing to need to run from such nice rr people? [?] Surely your were not being a bad boy[:0] were you? [V] LOL [:D]

I hope the quote works. There has to be a better way than what I did. I need some help in this area. Please somebody help me, help me.[;)]

Take care, and stay safe. Hey everyone[;)] Look, Listen, and Live [:)]

Have a great day [:)] [:D] [:)]

Please remember our troops serving their country overseas.


All you have to do is click on the word quote in the upper right hand corner of any post.

We never took a chance on gettin caught on the tracks. One day we were in the weeds and a giant flame thrower went by. We saw that comin down the tracks and had to move to our deeper den fast. The banks on either side of the tracks were honey combed with forts.
Ah the fifties!
Sooblue
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 7, 2003 1:21 AM

Hey! when we heard the PUT PUT PUT comming down the track we ran into the woods and hid. Something that slow meant that some RR *** could catch us. [:D][:D]
Sure their speeders, but they would be better called what they sounded like.
Sooblue



Sooblue, whatever would you have been doing to need to run from such nice rr people? [?] Surely your were not being a bad boy[:0] were you? [V] LOL [:D]

I hope the quote works. There has to be a better way than what I did. I need some help in this area. Please somebody help me, help me.[;)]

Take care, and stay safe. Hey everyone[;)] Look, Listen, and Live [:)]

Have a great day [:)] [:D] [:)]

Please remember our troops serving their country overseas.





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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 7, 2003 1:21 AM

Hey! when we heard the PUT PUT PUT comming down the track we ran into the woods and hid. Something that slow meant that some RR *** could catch us. [:D][:D]
Sure their speeders, but they would be better called what they sounded like.
Sooblue



Sooblue, whatever would you have been doing to need to run from such nice rr people? [?] Surely your were not being a bad boy[:0] were you? [V] LOL [:D]

I hope the quote works. There has to be a better way than what I did. I need some help in this area. Please somebody help me, help me.[;)]

Take care, and stay safe. Hey everyone[;)] Look, Listen, and Live [:)]

Have a great day [:)] [:D] [:)]

Please remember our troops serving their country overseas.





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Posted by sooblue on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 11:24 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by AltonFan

jhhtrainsplanes,

Apparently, "Four Aces" wasn't set up to use the poor quality coal that the Northern Pacific used. There was also damage to the crown sheet while the engine was in use on the NP, and apparently NP was stuck between paying for repairs and returning the engine to Timken, or buying it outright. It sounds to me like the engine was basically sound, but not suited to NP's particular situation.

QUOTE: In the article there was a picture that showed a line up of women who pulled that engine by hand down the rail. (P. R. photo)

sooblue,

I thought the picture you mention was of a NYC Niagara.


No, it was a four aces publicity photo for timken bearings.

Concerning NPs use of it.
NPs 2-8-8-4s had huge grates which made them superior steamers when the DM&IR bought them.
NP needed larger grates to overcome poor coal.
As far as the crown sheet damage goes, Low water is about the only way to damage it and that would be opperator error. (who ever the opperator was they were lucky)
Most people never know it when the crown sheet gets damaged. They don't even hear the explosion!

Most of the bad steaming 4-8-4s were in house morphadites.
However there were some experiments in ultra-high pressure boilers that the engine crews didn't like to be around and the engines were shopped too much so they got torched quick.
Mostly water tube fireboxes and convetional type boilers. The water tubes heated the water in the boiler.
Sooblue


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Posted by sooblue on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 11:24 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by AltonFan

jhhtrainsplanes,

Apparently, "Four Aces" wasn't set up to use the poor quality coal that the Northern Pacific used. There was also damage to the crown sheet while the engine was in use on the NP, and apparently NP was stuck between paying for repairs and returning the engine to Timken, or buying it outright. It sounds to me like the engine was basically sound, but not suited to NP's particular situation.

QUOTE: In the article there was a picture that showed a line up of women who pulled that engine by hand down the rail. (P. R. photo)

sooblue,

I thought the picture you mention was of a NYC Niagara.


No, it was a four aces publicity photo for timken bearings.

Concerning NPs use of it.
NPs 2-8-8-4s had huge grates which made them superior steamers when the DM&IR bought them.
NP needed larger grates to overcome poor coal.
As far as the crown sheet damage goes, Low water is about the only way to damage it and that would be opperator error. (who ever the opperator was they were lucky)
Most people never know it when the crown sheet gets damaged. They don't even hear the explosion!

Most of the bad steaming 4-8-4s were in house morphadites.
However there were some experiments in ultra-high pressure boilers that the engine crews didn't like to be around and the engines were shopped too much so they got torched quick.
Mostly water tube fireboxes and convetional type boilers. The water tubes heated the water in the boiler.
Sooblue


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Posted by sooblue on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 11:04 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

Trainnut484

The following paragraph is a quote from Trainnut484. (I have never used a quote so I will have to learn how. I am sure some of you will help me on this.)

I think the commuter car is ex CN&W. Yeah, the put-put was there too LOL. There used to be a shed, or mini put-put house, on the West side of the ATSF depot in Emporia, KS many many years ago. I barely remember it, and I have old photos of it.
(end of quote)

O K Trainnut484 Pick upself up off the floor and stop laughing. LOL You know how kids are, or were. And put-put cars is just as good a title as Jen's "yellow thingies". No offense intended Jen, forgive me if you are.

Anyway better to have a good laugh than point fingers and call people names. And if anyone got a good laugh out of put-put cars, then so be it. Glad to help brighten your day.

Everyone take care and remember, Look, Listen, and Live.

Don't forget our troops overseas defending our nation.


Hey! when we heard the PUT PUT PUT comming down the track we ran into the woods and hid. Something that slow meant that some RR *** could catch us. [:D][:D]
Sure their speeders, but they would be better called what they sounded like.
Sooblue
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Posted by sooblue on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 11:04 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

Trainnut484

The following paragraph is a quote from Trainnut484. (I have never used a quote so I will have to learn how. I am sure some of you will help me on this.)

I think the commuter car is ex CN&W. Yeah, the put-put was there too LOL. There used to be a shed, or mini put-put house, on the West side of the ATSF depot in Emporia, KS many many years ago. I barely remember it, and I have old photos of it.
(end of quote)

O K Trainnut484 Pick upself up off the floor and stop laughing. LOL You know how kids are, or were. And put-put cars is just as good a title as Jen's "yellow thingies". No offense intended Jen, forgive me if you are.

Anyway better to have a good laugh than point fingers and call people names. And if anyone got a good laugh out of put-put cars, then so be it. Glad to help brighten your day.

Everyone take care and remember, Look, Listen, and Live.

Don't forget our troops overseas defending our nation.


Hey! when we heard the PUT PUT PUT comming down the track we ran into the woods and hid. Something that slow meant that some RR *** could catch us. [:D][:D]
Sure their speeders, but they would be better called what they sounded like.
Sooblue
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 1:00 PM
Trainnut484

The following paragraph is a quote from Trainnut484. (I have never used a quote so I will have to learn how. I am sure some of you will help me on this.)

I think the commuter car is ex CN&W. Yeah, the put-put was there too LOL. There used to be a shed, or mini put-put house, on the West side of the ATSF depot in Emporia, KS many many years ago. I barely remember it, and I have old photos of it.
(end of quote)

O K Trainnut484 Pick upself up off the floor and stop laughing. LOL You know how kids are, or were. And put-put cars is just as good a title as Jen's "yellow thingies". No offense intended Jen, forgive me if you are.

Anyway better to have a good laugh than point fingers and call people names. And if anyone got a good laugh out of put-put cars, then so be it. Glad to help brighten your day.

Everyone take care and remember, Look, Listen, and Live.

Don't forget our troops overseas defending our nation.




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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 1:00 PM
Trainnut484

The following paragraph is a quote from Trainnut484. (I have never used a quote so I will have to learn how. I am sure some of you will help me on this.)

I think the commuter car is ex CN&W. Yeah, the put-put was there too LOL. There used to be a shed, or mini put-put house, on the West side of the ATSF depot in Emporia, KS many many years ago. I barely remember it, and I have old photos of it.
(end of quote)

O K Trainnut484 Pick upself up off the floor and stop laughing. LOL You know how kids are, or were. And put-put cars is just as good a title as Jen's "yellow thingies". No offense intended Jen, forgive me if you are.

Anyway better to have a good laugh than point fingers and call people names. And if anyone got a good laugh out of put-put cars, then so be it. Glad to help brighten your day.

Everyone take care and remember, Look, Listen, and Live.

Don't forget our troops overseas defending our nation.




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Posted by Trainnut484 on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 9:10 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

Trainnut484 The commuter car is a recent addition. I am not sure how long it has been there. I noticed it in July when I went up there for my mother's birthday. The Frisco never operated a car like that.


I think the commuter car is ex CN&W. Yeah, the put-put was there too LOL. There used to be a shed, or mini put-put house[:D], on the West side of the ATSF depot in Emporia, KS many many years ago. I barely remember it, and I have old photos of it.
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Posted by Trainnut484 on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 9:10 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

Trainnut484 The commuter car is a recent addition. I am not sure how long it has been there. I noticed it in July when I went up there for my mother's birthday. The Frisco never operated a car like that.


I think the commuter car is ex CN&W. Yeah, the put-put was there too LOL. There used to be a shed, or mini put-put house[:D], on the West side of the ATSF depot in Emporia, KS many many years ago. I barely remember it, and I have old photos of it.
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Posted by AltonFan on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 3:16 AM
jhhtrainsplanes,

Apparently, "Four Aces" wasn't set up to use the poor quality coal that the Northern Pacific used. There was also damage to the crown sheet while the engine was in use on the NP, and apparently NP was stuck between paying for repairs and returning the engine to Timken, or buying it outright. It sounds to me like the engine was basically sound, but not suited to NP's particular situation.

This was recounted in George Drury's Guide to North American Steam Locomotives, in the article on the Northern Pacific.

QUOTE: In the article there was a picture that showed a line up of women who pulled that engine by hand down the rail. (P. R. photo)

sooblue,

I thought the picture you mention was of a NYC Niagara.

Dan

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Posted by AltonFan on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 3:16 AM
jhhtrainsplanes,

Apparently, "Four Aces" wasn't set up to use the poor quality coal that the Northern Pacific used. There was also damage to the crown sheet while the engine was in use on the NP, and apparently NP was stuck between paying for repairs and returning the engine to Timken, or buying it outright. It sounds to me like the engine was basically sound, but not suited to NP's particular situation.

This was recounted in George Drury's Guide to North American Steam Locomotives, in the article on the Northern Pacific.

QUOTE: In the article there was a picture that showed a line up of women who pulled that engine by hand down the rail. (P. R. photo)

sooblue,

I thought the picture you mention was of a NYC Niagara.

Dan

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 1:52 AM
Trainnut484 The commuter car is a recent addition. I am not sure how long it has been there. I noticed it in July when I went up there for my mother's birthday. The Frisco never operated a car like that.

When I was little the only items there were the engine and the tender. I think there might have been a speeder (as a kid we called them put-put cars). (O k you all stop laughing.) Then I guess in the 80s the BN caboose was added.

My sister told me they had moved the items from the Frisco Railroad Muesum to the Fairgrounds. She also told me that a couple of months ago the building housing these items blew up killing at least one person and destroying everything. I will see if I can get a newspaper article on this and post it.

Stay safe and don't forget Look, Listen, and Live.

Remember the troops.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 1:52 AM
Trainnut484 The commuter car is a recent addition. I am not sure how long it has been there. I noticed it in July when I went up there for my mother's birthday. The Frisco never operated a car like that.

When I was little the only items there were the engine and the tender. I think there might have been a speeder (as a kid we called them put-put cars). (O k you all stop laughing.) Then I guess in the 80s the BN caboose was added.

My sister told me they had moved the items from the Frisco Railroad Muesum to the Fairgrounds. She also told me that a couple of months ago the building housing these items blew up killing at least one person and destroying everything. I will see if I can get a newspaper article on this and post it.

Stay safe and don't forget Look, Listen, and Live.

Remember the troops.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 1:37 AM
Sooblue I know exactly the pic you are talking about, I have a copy of it somewhere. Who knows where? Trainnut484's CRS is working down here too. LOL.

I meant to post the outshop date for 1111, the pic I have shows April 1930. The Four Aces's bell sits in one of Timken's buildings.

Thanks everyone for your comments, keep up the good work.

Do any of you railroaders have any comments about 4 8 4 s you might have had the opportunity to run or fire? I volunteered in the Arkansas Railroad Museum at Pine Bluff and worked in one of the passenger cars as a car host during our annual run to Tyler, Texas. The Cotton Belt 819 ( a 4 8 4 ) always ran great. The only problem I know of is one year the whistle broke and had to be replaced. One of the early whistles sounded really bad, but it was replaced with a better sounding one.

Hey look there, a b a d comment about a 4 8 4. I had forgotten about the whistle problem.

Stay safe, and always Look, Listen, and Live.

Please remember the armed service people defending our country.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 1:37 AM
Sooblue I know exactly the pic you are talking about, I have a copy of it somewhere. Who knows where? Trainnut484's CRS is working down here too. LOL.

I meant to post the outshop date for 1111, the pic I have shows April 1930. The Four Aces's bell sits in one of Timken's buildings.

Thanks everyone for your comments, keep up the good work.

Do any of you railroaders have any comments about 4 8 4 s you might have had the opportunity to run or fire? I volunteered in the Arkansas Railroad Museum at Pine Bluff and worked in one of the passenger cars as a car host during our annual run to Tyler, Texas. The Cotton Belt 819 ( a 4 8 4 ) always ran great. The only problem I know of is one year the whistle broke and had to be replaced. One of the early whistles sounded really bad, but it was replaced with a better sounding one.

Hey look there, a b a d comment about a 4 8 4. I had forgotten about the whistle problem.

Stay safe, and always Look, Listen, and Live.

Please remember the armed service people defending our country.
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Posted by sooblue on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 10:55 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

AltonFan I used to work for Rail Bearing Service in North Little Rock. We reconditioned roller bearings. The vast majority of them being Timken. We were bought by and bacame a subsidiary of Timken. I have hanging on my wall a nice framed group of 4 pics of the Four Aces. One of the pics includes the loco specs. I have never heard about the damage part, but I knew it tested on the NP. I will include some of the specs for those who are interested.

Thanks everyone.
Stay safe and don't forget to Look, Listen, and Live.
Remember our service men and women.


Trains had an article on the Four Aces.
In the article there was a picture that showed a line up of women who pulled that engine by hand down the rail. (P. R. photo)
If I remember correctly the RRs liked that engine but most of them didn't trust the "new technology" for the rod main. Little did they know !

Sooblue

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Posted by sooblue on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 10:55 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

AltonFan I used to work for Rail Bearing Service in North Little Rock. We reconditioned roller bearings. The vast majority of them being Timken. We were bought by and bacame a subsidiary of Timken. I have hanging on my wall a nice framed group of 4 pics of the Four Aces. One of the pics includes the loco specs. I have never heard about the damage part, but I knew it tested on the NP. I will include some of the specs for those who are interested.

Thanks everyone.
Stay safe and don't forget to Look, Listen, and Live.
Remember our service men and women.


Trains had an article on the Four Aces.
In the article there was a picture that showed a line up of women who pulled that engine by hand down the rail. (P. R. photo)
If I remember correctly the RRs liked that engine but most of them didn't trust the "new technology" for the rod main. Little did they know !

Sooblue

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Posted by Trainnut484 on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 5:00 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

Trainnut484, I knew you would respond to this topic. Glad you did.

When you go down to Springfield have you ever went to Grant Beach Park and seen the Frisco 484 there? I believe the number is 4524. It was built by Lima. It is not far from where you said you sit and drink ice tea.

Stay safe.



Yes, and I have pictures of it. I also went inside the little museum they have in the baggage car, and strolled thru the commuter car. There are a couple of Frisco steamers at the Transportation museum in St. Louis, MO. I can't recall the #'s. (CRS kicking in again LOL).
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Posted by Trainnut484 on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 5:00 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

Trainnut484, I knew you would respond to this topic. Glad you did.

When you go down to Springfield have you ever went to Grant Beach Park and seen the Frisco 484 there? I believe the number is 4524. It was built by Lima. It is not far from where you said you sit and drink ice tea.

Stay safe.



Yes, and I have pictures of it. I also went inside the little museum they have in the baggage car, and strolled thru the commuter car. There are a couple of Frisco steamers at the Transportation museum in St. Louis, MO. I can't recall the #'s. (CRS kicking in again LOL).
All the Way!
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 12:44 PM
AltonFan I used to work for Rail Bearing Service in North Little Rock. We reconditioned roller bearings. The vast majority of them being Timken. We were bought by and bacame a subsidiary of Timken. I have hanging on my wall a nice framed group of 4 pics of the Four Aces. One of the pics includes the loco specs. I have never heard about the damage part, but I knew it tested on the NP. I will include some of the specs for those who are interested.

Builder ALCO, Road Number 1111, Cylinders 27", Driving Wheels 73"
Weight (in working order) Engine 417,500 lbs, Tender 294,000 lbs,
Maximum Tractive Power Engine 59,900 to 63,700 lbs depending on boiler pressure of 235 to 250 lbs, Booster 12,000 to 12,800 lbs,

Of course there are more stats but these are the more interesting ones. Later northerns had better tractive power, hopefully some of you can give stats on the 844 or the 819 or some of the other current northerns still running. I don't have time right now to check on this.

Thanks everyone.

Stay safe and don't forget to Look, Listen, and Live.

Remember our service men and women.

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