missouri free weekend

[Anonymous]

I would be even happier if he were not invited back again.

I worry that his activity may be more sinister than to just get people stirred up.

The other Ed

[Anonymous]

I would be even happier if he were not invited back again.

I worry that his activity may be more sinister than to just get people stirred up.

The other Ed

[JoeKoh]

David
Mr.Pines aka missouri has not only used this site but other sites as well to call railroaders murders etc etc.I think it was limited clear who found other articles to other papers.I found one in the sullivan newspaper editorial page 7-5 -03 where he does what he does here.thanks to goab who found his address too.I feel that he doesn't get it and will use any means at his disposal to continue his ravings.
stay safe
joe

[JoeKoh]

David
Mr.Pines aka missouri has not only used this site but other sites as well to call railroaders murders etc etc.I think it was limited clear who found other articles to other papers.I found one in the sullivan newspaper editorial page 7-5 -03 where he does what he does here.thanks to goab who found his address too.I feel that he doesn't get it and will use any means at his disposal to continue his ravings.
stay safe
joe

[Wdlgln005]

David:

Thank you for providing this website, and the work you have done to make it better. I bet the forum membership would like to know what kind of costs are incurred to make this forum possible. We may need to all buy a magazine and a book or two each year to help support it!

It is my opinion that Kalmbach has a right to expect a certain behavior from forum members. Certain words cannot be used. Offensive posts need to be banned and removed when they occur. Violators of these policies must be dealt with. You will have to prepare for a scale of actions that could be implemented to meet the severity if the infraction. Missouri falls into this category. The "time out" may just be one of the first in a series of actions that could be taken. The initial stages may be privately between Kalmbach & the member, with information posed on the site where the more severe measures would be posted. Then you can cite the rule, if you do this enough, we could & would do that.

Quoting:
Having said that, it's my opinion that missouri has gone on long enough with the anti-railroad postings. Quoting documents and citing references out of context, the tone of his posts and the unrelenting direct accusations made against the railroad and the people who work for the railroads are some of the things that factored into my decision.

Missouri had become an abuser of the system. I agree with your actions so far. I doubt if we have seen the end of this episode.
Thank you

[Wdlgln005]

David:

Thank you for providing this website, and the work you have done to make it better. I bet the forum membership would like to know what kind of costs are incurred to make this forum possible. We may need to all buy a magazine and a book or two each year to help support it!

It is my opinion that Kalmbach has a right to expect a certain behavior from forum members. Certain words cannot be used. Offensive posts need to be banned and removed when they occur. Violators of these policies must be dealt with. You will have to prepare for a scale of actions that could be implemented to meet the severity if the infraction. Missouri falls into this category. The "time out" may just be one of the first in a series of actions that could be taken. The initial stages may be privately between Kalmbach & the member, with information posed on the site where the more severe measures would be posted. Then you can cite the rule, if you do this enough, we could & would do that.

Quoting:
Having said that, it's my opinion that missouri has gone on long enough with the anti-railroad postings. Quoting documents and citing references out of context, the tone of his posts and the unrelenting direct accusations made against the railroad and the people who work for the railroads are some of the things that factored into my decision.

Missouri had become an abuser of the system. I agree with your actions so far. I doubt if we have seen the end of this episode.
Thank you

[zardoz]

Mr. Voss.
I agree with your decision. I also agree with the other contribtors: the best way to rid ourselves of the pest is to ignore it. This person can always reenter the site under a new name, so to ban a particular name is probably more symbolic than anything.

However, what we the members of this forum, can do to rid ourselves, is to not reply (however strong the urge) to any entry that resembles the ramblings of the delusional. We can refuse to even view a site that has Missouri in the name, and if we are duped by an alias into reading another entry, we can just not reply.

Just think how you would feel seeing your lenthly, involved post be viewed hundreds of times, and receive NO replys. Or one that you sign your name and NOBODY even looks at it. That would kinda take the fun out of trying to be irritating.

Again, David, thanks for your involvement.

jim

[zardoz]

Mr. Voss.
I agree with your decision. I also agree with the other contribtors: the best way to rid ourselves of the pest is to ignore it. This person can always reenter the site under a new name, so to ban a particular name is probably more symbolic than anything.

However, what we the members of this forum, can do to rid ourselves, is to not reply (however strong the urge) to any entry that resembles the ramblings of the delusional. We can refuse to even view a site that has Missouri in the name, and if we are duped by an alias into reading another entry, we can just not reply.

Just think how you would feel seeing your lenthly, involved post be viewed hundreds of times, and receive NO replys. Or one that you sign your name and NOBODY even looks at it. That would kinda take the fun out of trying to be irritating.

Again, David, thanks for your involvement.

jim

[BR60103]

David: from your own site:
"is unlawful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, libelous, deceptive, fraudulent, invasive of another's privacy, tortuous, contains explicit or graphic descriptions or accounts of sexual acts (including but not limited to sexual language of a violent or threatening nature directed at another individual or group of individuals), or otherwise violates Kalmbach Publishing Company#8217;s rules or policies; "
If only his stuff was just sexual!
I think he qualifies under at least 5 of the above adjectives. He is also frequently incoherent -- rants often are.

[BR60103]

David: from your own site:
"is unlawful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, libelous, deceptive, fraudulent, invasive of another's privacy, tortuous, contains explicit or graphic descriptions or accounts of sexual acts (including but not limited to sexual language of a violent or threatening nature directed at another individual or group of individuals), or otherwise violates Kalmbach Publishing Company#8217;s rules or policies; "
If only his stuff was just sexual!
I think he qualifies under at least 5 of the above adjectives. He is also frequently incoherent -- rants often are.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz1
This person can always reenter the site under a new name, so to ban a particular name is probably more symbolic than anything.

While it is true to some degree, a quick trip into work, a couple strokes on the keyboard and he'll never see this site again. It's not 100% fool-proof, but would require some effort and hassle to get around it. [}:)]

Had he accepted this for a weekend, I most likely would have had to unlock his account Monday and give him another chance. All I can say now is that some people just never listen.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz1
This person can always reenter the site under a new name, so to ban a particular name is probably more symbolic than anything.

While it is true to some degree, a quick trip into work, a couple strokes on the keyboard and he'll never see this site again. It's not 100% fool-proof, but would require some effort and hassle to get around it. [}:)]

Had he accepted this for a weekend, I most likely would have had to unlock his account Monday and give him another chance. All I can say now is that some people just never listen.

[edblysard]

I may have not made my position quite as clear as I intended to. For that, I am sorry. What I was trying to get across is that the rules here have to apply to us all, equally. Yes, this is the property of kalmabach, and yes, they are free to invite or refuse a person membership.
Now, I will be the first to point out that mr pines had no intention of attempting to promote crossing safety, but instead, has been here picking fights, for no other reason than to get attention. He has yet to state a viewpoint, or attempt to explain his actions, I doubt you could find one person here who could explain missouris postion, or the reason for his "cause" or "crusade"
I had a friend, a captain in the criminal research division of the Texas Rangers do a profile of missouri, and the results were posted here for all to see. Yes, that was real, just written in my words, or paraphrased to protect my friend.
You will never get a argument from me, I agree whole heartedly that Mr Pines is a real live loney toon. My friend ended his profile with this comment, "this is a truly wretched soul", and I agree. The editor of his local newspaper, whom I e-mailed, didnt respond, but the assistant to the editor did. They no longer read or open any mail received from him, or the several alias mr pines operates under. They go directly in the shredder. I agree, I wouldnt waste my time either, bobby pines sole reason for being here to cause as much discomfort and argument as he can, he has even attacked one of the people who seemed to support his wild accusations. What I was trying to do in my last post was play devils advocate, in a way. If, and I emphasise if, mr. pines, aka mossouri, or missouri2, or 3 thru 1000 is asked to stay away, or banned, which, after reading his new posting, full of foul and crude gibberish, seems to be the best soultion, I wanted David, and us, to be aware of why he was banned. From the original post, it seemed as if we and David were just mad at him, and didnt want to play anymore. We are, and dont, but the reason he should be banned is what I was questioning.
Yes, he has stepped past the boundries of civilized discussion, made what can be viewed as slanderious and defameing remarks, and, should be banned. I would have suggested earlier that the people who run this site speak with their legal dept, if for no other reason than, by providing missouri a forum to slander other people from, they may be opening themselves to a lawsuit at a later date, by someone who feels they, Kalmbach, have aided and abbetted mr pines.
If you want to know, I feel we, and the folks who run this site, should make every attempt to make bobby pines/ missouri, whatever name he uses, a problem only for the local folks in sullivan, mo.
Here is not the place for his antics or anger. Sure, I want him gone, and for good. Is that possible? Yes, through legal action. Realisticly, he has shown he can just sign in under a new name, and re regestier at will. So that leaves the webmaster one chioce, block his computers address from this site. If he shows up again, and I bet he does, legal action on the part of the Kalmbach folks may be needed. So I wanted it to be clear, very clear, why he would be asked to leave, so the people here have a legal leg to stand on.
To that end, I dont think any of us should reply to anything he posts, no matter how badly we wi***o. I know we tried this before, and almost to a T, we all failed, but I think we have all been shat upon enough, especially in the last few days, to have had enough of him, his garbage, his deranged viewpoint and his anger, to make it stick. We are the ones who really police ourselves here, and we, through replies to this hollow and shallow person, provide him with a means to vent his spleen on us. So dont offer him the chance anymore, and help David keep him away.
Sorry about the length of this, I just wanted to make sure no one though I was defending missouri, or condemming David for his actions, which I support completly. I just wanted to be sure we all know the why behind the actions.
And to clear up one last thing, no, your first amendment rights do not really apply here, I checked with my former employeer, The Office of The Attorney General, State of Texas, and this is a privatly owned and managed site, a members only club if you like, and the clubs owners, Kalmbach, do have the legal right to exclude someone, if that person violates the clubs rules, which mr pines has done, on many occasions.
There has been several State Supreme Court rulings to back up Davids actions, and they all mention this, it is the right, and duty, of the managers or owners of a site like this to protect its members from harm, weather real or percived. They have the legal right to revoke or remove your membership, at their descretion. I suggest they excersise their right to do so.
Read that part again, Mr. Pines.
Stay Frosty,
Ed

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironhorseman

To: DAVID VOSS: You are right in putting missouri on hold temporarily. He needs dicipline.

To ED: If you post something unpoplular 1 time that's not grounds for time out. Missouri has been excessivly obnoxious and persistant on 1 issue constantly using slanderous, seditious, and inflamatory remarks. Everything DAVID VOSS stated was correct. That was reasonably grounds for a "time out."

I said somewhere before to just ignore him and let his topic remain at "0" replies and drop to the bottom. Those 10 pages in his topics I've noticed are just people mostly talking to each other instead of talking to him.

But, I'd rather have adminstrators take the final actions, if necessary. I don't want to get into a "vote people off" situation like on "reality tv" because next thing you know we'll be voting people off left and right.

Now, I've said it before and I'll say it again, that "missouri" can pack more words into the least ideas of anyone I know.

[edblysard]

I may have not made my position quite as clear as I intended to. For that, I am sorry. What I was trying to get across is that the rules here have to apply to us all, equally. Yes, this is the property of kalmabach, and yes, they are free to invite or refuse a person membership.
Now, I will be the first to point out that mr pines had no intention of attempting to promote crossing safety, but instead, has been here picking fights, for no other reason than to get attention. He has yet to state a viewpoint, or attempt to explain his actions, I doubt you could find one person here who could explain missouris postion, or the reason for his "cause" or "crusade"
I had a friend, a captain in the criminal research division of the Texas Rangers do a profile of missouri, and the results were posted here for all to see. Yes, that was real, just written in my words, or paraphrased to protect my friend.
You will never get a argument from me, I agree whole heartedly that Mr Pines is a real live loney toon. My friend ended his profile with this comment, "this is a truly wretched soul", and I agree. The editor of his local newspaper, whom I e-mailed, didnt respond, but the assistant to the editor did. They no longer read or open any mail received from him, or the several alias mr pines operates under. They go directly in the shredder. I agree, I wouldnt waste my time either, bobby pines sole reason for being here to cause as much discomfort and argument as he can, he has even attacked one of the people who seemed to support his wild accusations. What I was trying to do in my last post was play devils advocate, in a way. If, and I emphasise if, mr. pines, aka mossouri, or missouri2, or 3 thru 1000 is asked to stay away, or banned, which, after reading his new posting, full of foul and crude gibberish, seems to be the best soultion, I wanted David, and us, to be aware of why he was banned. From the original post, it seemed as if we and David were just mad at him, and didnt want to play anymore. We are, and dont, but the reason he should be banned is what I was questioning.
Yes, he has stepped past the boundries of civilized discussion, made what can be viewed as slanderious and defameing remarks, and, should be banned. I would have suggested earlier that the people who run this site speak with their legal dept, if for no other reason than, by providing missouri a forum to slander other people from, they may be opening themselves to a lawsuit at a later date, by someone who feels they, Kalmbach, have aided and abbetted mr pines.
If you want to know, I feel we, and the folks who run this site, should make every attempt to make bobby pines/ missouri, whatever name he uses, a problem only for the local folks in sullivan, mo.
Here is not the place for his antics or anger. Sure, I want him gone, and for good. Is that possible? Yes, through legal action. Realisticly, he has shown he can just sign in under a new name, and re regestier at will. So that leaves the webmaster one chioce, block his computers address from this site. If he shows up again, and I bet he does, legal action on the part of the Kalmbach folks may be needed. So I wanted it to be clear, very clear, why he would be asked to leave, so the people here have a legal leg to stand on.
To that end, I dont think any of us should reply to anything he posts, no matter how badly we wi***o. I know we tried this before, and almost to a T, we all failed, but I think we have all been shat upon enough, especially in the last few days, to have had enough of him, his garbage, his deranged viewpoint and his anger, to make it stick. We are the ones who really police ourselves here, and we, through replies to this hollow and shallow person, provide him with a means to vent his spleen on us. So dont offer him the chance anymore, and help David keep him away.
Sorry about the length of this, I just wanted to make sure no one though I was defending missouri, or condemming David for his actions, which I support completly. I just wanted to be sure we all know the why behind the actions.
And to clear up one last thing, no, your first amendment rights do not really apply here, I checked with my former employeer, The Office of The Attorney General, State of Texas, and this is a privatly owned and managed site, a members only club if you like, and the clubs owners, Kalmbach, do have the legal right to exclude someone, if that person violates the clubs rules, which mr pines has done, on many occasions.
There has been several State Supreme Court rulings to back up Davids actions, and they all mention this, it is the right, and duty, of the managers or owners of a site like this to protect its members from harm, weather real or percived. They have the legal right to revoke or remove your membership, at their descretion. I suggest they excersise their right to do so.
Read that part again, Mr. Pines.
Stay Frosty,
Ed

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironhorseman

To: DAVID VOSS: You are right in putting missouri on hold temporarily. He needs dicipline.

To ED: If you post something unpoplular 1 time that's not grounds for time out. Missouri has been excessivly obnoxious and persistant on 1 issue constantly using slanderous, seditious, and inflamatory remarks. Everything DAVID VOSS stated was correct. That was reasonably grounds for a "time out."

I said somewhere before to just ignore him and let his topic remain at "0" replies and drop to the bottom. Those 10 pages in his topics I've noticed are just people mostly talking to each other instead of talking to him.

But, I'd rather have adminstrators take the final actions, if necessary. I don't want to get into a "vote people off" situation like on "reality tv" because next thing you know we'll be voting people off left and right.

Now, I've said it before and I'll say it again, that "missouri" can pack more words into the least ideas of anyone I know.

[edblysard]

It would seem he didnt quite accept this for a entire weekend, only a few hours.

QUOTE: Originally posted by David Voss

QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz1
This person can always reenter the site under a new name, so to ban a particular name is probably more symbolic than anything.

While it is true to some degree, a quick trip into work, a couple strokes on the keyboard and he'll never see this site again. It's not 100% fool-proof, but would require some effort and hassle to get around it. [}:)]

Had he accepted this for a weekend, I most likely would have had to unlock his account Monday and give him another chance. All I can say now is that some people just never listen.

[edblysard]

It would seem he didnt quite accept this for a entire weekend, only a few hours.

QUOTE: Originally posted by David Voss

QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz1
This person can always reenter the site under a new name, so to ban a particular name is probably more symbolic than anything.

While it is true to some degree, a quick trip into work, a couple strokes on the keyboard and he'll never see this site again. It's not 100% fool-proof, but would require some effort and hassle to get around it. [}:)]

Had he accepted this for a weekend, I most likely would have had to unlock his account Monday and give him another chance. All I can say now is that some people just never listen.

[Anonymous]

Punt him, David, punt him and don't look back!
Ken

[Anonymous]

Punt him, David, punt him and don't look back!
Ken

[kenneo]

I would like to amend my earlier post on this subject.

By entering this site under false cover for the express intention of evading his "time out", he should never be permitted to even access the home page, let alone the forums

My dad, bless him, said that if you give someone enough a rope, he will hang himself.

Besides missouri and missouri2, what other names does/has Bob Pines use?

[kenneo]

I would like to amend my earlier post on this subject.

By entering this site under false cover for the express intention of evading his "time out", he should never be permitted to even access the home page, let alone the forums

My dad, bless him, said that if you give someone enough a rope, he will hang himself.

Besides missouri and missouri2, what other names does/has Bob Pines use?

[edblysard]

According to the young man I "spoke" to via e-mail, several. Also seems the just about every dept of the local goverment in Sullivan, Mo, has been the subject of similar rants by him, although the railroads did seem to be his favorite.
And I agree with you, Kenneo, by entering this site under a modified or new username, he has, in essence, violated the rules we all agreed to follow and shown what a untrustworthy and decietful person he really is. By using using such language, and by the content of his last post, one would hope he has had enough rope to accompli***he task your grandfather mentioned.
Stay Frosty,
Ed

[edblysard]

According to the young man I "spoke" to via e-mail, several. Also seems the just about every dept of the local goverment in Sullivan, Mo, has been the subject of similar rants by him, although the railroads did seem to be his favorite.
And I agree with you, Kenneo, by entering this site under a modified or new username, he has, in essence, violated the rules we all agreed to follow and shown what a untrustworthy and decietful person he really is. By using using such language, and by the content of his last post, one would hope he has had enough rope to accompli***he task your grandfather mentioned.
Stay Frosty,
Ed

[wabash1]

my thoughts on this is. if you post something that everyone disagrees with, then drop it if you cant get your point across. what this guy did was beyond anything we should tolerate. I say if this would happen again that the three strike rule be put in. first is warning second is a little time out. 3rd is a democratic vote if he should be abolished from the site. most everyone here respects each other and thier view points just a few make it hard on others. A vote cannot be taken if its not a ongoing problem like we have had.

In other words if i dont like gray haired people i shouldnt drag it on and on and on. and when warned drop it. otherwise vote the person out and continue railroading.

[wabash1]

my thoughts on this is. if you post something that everyone disagrees with, then drop it if you cant get your point across. what this guy did was beyond anything we should tolerate. I say if this would happen again that the three strike rule be put in. first is warning second is a little time out. 3rd is a democratic vote if he should be abolished from the site. most everyone here respects each other and thier view points just a few make it hard on others. A vote cannot be taken if its not a ongoing problem like we have had.

In other words if i dont like gray haired people i shouldnt drag it on and on and on. and when warned drop it. otherwise vote the person out and continue railroading.

[Anonymous]

Dave,
I have just started using these forums recently and am enjoying them alot. I have followed the Missouri saga. I think that Ed has made some very excellent points. In my opinion, Missouri should be permantly kicked off the site. Giving someone a "time out" as a warning and then letting them back on would seem like a very sensible cousre of action in some cases (ex: someone who continuously uses foul language), but I think that Missouri has gone way too far and really stretched the limits. The comeback as Missouri2 and the remarks made under "Kalmbach Publishing and Censorship" shows a complete lack of respect for the people who run this site. These forums should be a place where people can gain information, discus railroading and make friends with simmilar interests. Members may have dissagreements, but when it comes down to it all, all the people here have one basic thing in common-we all love trains. All Missouri has done is start arguments while trying to promote his extremist views on his deep, deep hatred of railroads and railroaders. If let back on, he would only continue with this. These have only caused heated arguements and made many people lose their tempers. Newcomers, such as myself may falsely think that all people do on these fourms is rant and rave at each other. This site should be for railfans, not rail-haters. Well, you asked for feedback and that's what I think.
Regards, Mitchell

[Anonymous]

Dave,
I have just started using these forums recently and am enjoying them alot. I have followed the Missouri saga. I think that Ed has made some very excellent points. In my opinion, Missouri should be permantly kicked off the site. Giving someone a "time out" as a warning and then letting them back on would seem like a very sensible cousre of action in some cases (ex: someone who continuously uses foul language), but I think that Missouri has gone way too far and really stretched the limits. The comeback as Missouri2 and the remarks made under "Kalmbach Publishing and Censorship" shows a complete lack of respect for the people who run this site. These forums should be a place where people can gain information, discus railroading and make friends with simmilar interests. Members may have dissagreements, but when it comes down to it all, all the people here have one basic thing in common-we all love trains. All Missouri has done is start arguments while trying to promote his extremist views on his deep, deep hatred of railroads and railroaders. If let back on, he would only continue with this. These have only caused heated arguements and made many people lose their tempers. Newcomers, such as myself may falsely think that all people do on these fourms is rant and rave at each other. This site should be for railfans, not rail-haters. Well, you asked for feedback and that's what I think.
Regards, Mitchell

[Anonymous]

David-

Thank you.

LC

[Anonymous]

David-

Thank you.

LC

[Willy2]

Mr. Voss I firmly believe that you should get [}:)] Mr. Pines [}:)] out of this forum.
[}:)] Mr. Pines [}:)] has abused the forum and its members enough. The wonderful [}:)] Mr. Pines [}:)] has returned as we all know and I do not want him on this forum any longer. He has gone beyond the limits in this forum.

[}:)]Mr. Pines[}:)] Get Lost!

Willy

[Willy2]

Mr. Voss I firmly believe that you should get [}:)] Mr. Pines [}:)] out of this forum.
[}:)] Mr. Pines [}:)] has abused the forum and its members enough. The wonderful [}:)] Mr. Pines [}:)] has returned as we all know and I do not want him on this forum any longer. He has gone beyond the limits in this forum.

[}:)]Mr. Pines[}:)] Get Lost!

Willy