union pacific, and santa fe running with norfolk southern freight trains

[ValleyX]

QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1

paul your right the union pacific and bnsf are trying to buy out the ns and the csx railroads . they wont tell you up front and it is against company policy to say anything. with in 5 years there will be only one railroad running coast to coast made of 2 railroads the bn and the up. they will keep the markings of their home frieght line but will run under a new name. also in breaking news the congress has passed a bill to run amtrak nationally and there is a 2.5billion dollar grant to lay high speed rail from L.A. callifornia to hawaii. it will be cheaper to take the train instead of flying and to keep cost down they will be using mexican labor. it will be all electric and with work ongoing 24 hrs aday the job should be done in 3 years. dont tell anyone this is top secreate

BLABBERMOUTH!!

[coborn35]

AS CEO of Norfolk Southern, Paul ,I will tell you that we have already taken over EVERY RAILROAD IN THE WORLD, but ya know, mums the word.

[amtrakjackson]

The other day we had to pick up a Conrail-painted NS unit at Kalamazoo's Botsford Yard because our P42 died; we tied it on the front of the 28. I didn't want to say anything before, knowing how rumors get started... but we did it to show everyone out here that NS is buying Amtrak and then repainting all the equipment French Blue.

[paulstecyna21]

thank you

[Anonymous]

Dude;

How many clues do you need that people are laughing at you?

QUOTE: The other day we had to pick up a Conrail-painted NS unit at Kalamazoo's Botsford Yard because our P42 died; we tied it on the front of the 28. I didn't want to say anything before, knowing how rumors get started... but we did it to show everyone out here that NS is buying Amtrak and then repainting all the equipment French Blue.

QUOTE: AS CEO of Norfolk Southern, Paul ,I will tell you that we have already taken over EVERY RAILROAD IN THE WORLD, but ya know, mums the word.

QUOTE: paul your right the union pacific and bnsf are trying to buy out the ns and the csx railroads . they wont tell you up front and it is against company policy to say anything. with in 5 years there will be only one railroad running coast to coast made of 2 railroads the bn and the up. they will keep the markings of their home frieght line but will run under a new name. also in breaking news the congress has passed a bill to run amtrak nationally and there is a 2.5billion dollar grant to lay high speed rail from L.A. callifornia to hawaii. it will be cheaper to take the train instead of flying and to keep cost down they will be using mexican labor. it will be all electric and with work ongoing 24 hrs aday the job should be done in 3 years. dont tell anyone this is top secreate

And I especially liked this one, saying you would be sent a response on the 32nd of March:

QUOTE: Well, to all of you doubters. I sent my own letter to the NS and they said that they weren't gonna answer Paul's letter until the 32nd of March. Here's what they told me. There is NO Merger planned with any other Rail company....NONE! What they did say is that they were planning on merging with Tyco and Mattel. The merger will result in entirely new train consists. The new NS Tyco trains will all feature "real locomotive sounds," whistles and bells and real smoke coming out of the exhaust stack. The new trains will be powered by 1,000 AA batteries and have cabbage patch kids at the throttle. The new paint scheme will resemble the old NS scheme withthe addition of a big happy clown face on the front of every motor. There will be a sweepstake to be an engineer for the day. The official game pieces will be in specially marked boxes of sugarsmacks cereal, many will enter, few will win......good luck.

Some of this stuff is so farfetched it will never happen. You are being seriously mocked with these ridiculous stories, and you seem to be the only one that doesn't get it.

I mentioned earlier that I thought you were naive. If you don't understand the term, let me translate it for you: Naive = Clueless. And yes, the members of this board are continuing to laugh at you because you are so clueless.

I know, these are harsh words. But as Mookie mentioned earlier, this is a tough world. And by continuing to tell us you're still waiting for a response from NS, you're just telling us again how naive (or clueless) you are.

James

QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21

thank you

[coborn35]

You have 22 posts on this thread that does not insinuate your a junior. You seem younger than me.....

[paulstecyna21]

i am 17 years old and was born in 1988

[coborn35]

Interesting...so did the letter come yet.....*walks away* *looks back* *bursts out laughing*

I would give it up pal...

[Anonymous]

I'm wondering how many times he's going to push back his timeframe. [(-D]

3/1: "i should get a response this weekend."

3/6: "i will find out the results some time this week"

3/21: "i will give it until the end of this month"

What happens when April 1st rolls around, and he still hasn't heard back? Or May 1st? Will he be telling us in July that he should get a response in another week or two? [sigh]

[cpbloom]

The more I read this topic the more I begin to wonder who the real fools are here.

It sounds to me like he is just leading you all along to see how long you will play this game of "respond to my ridiculous posts".

[paulstecyna21]

that is not true

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom

The more I read this topic the more I begin to wonder who the real fools are here.

It sounds to me like he is just leading you all along to see how long you will play this game of "respond to my ridiculous posts".

Took the words right out of my head!

[paulstecyna21]

you know i am only a junior in high school and i have a lot on my mind so why do you try to degrade me?

[Anonymous]

Paul;

I hate to tell you, but you're the one that set the ground rules for this particular game, and whining won't help. You pissed on our answers, and even now you're telling us you're still waiting for a response from NS. And you keep moving the deadline for the response, dragging this thing out.

There are other members of this board that are the same age as your, or even younger, that aren't clueless like you seem to be. Some of them have even let you know what they thought of your posts in this thread. So using your age as an excuse doesn't wash.

As for "i have a lot on my mind," if you don't have enough respect for us to pay attention, why are you wasting our time?

You're not helping your reputation here, you know - you're just showing, once again, how disrespectfull and clueless you are.

Shalom,
James

[chad thomas]

[#ditto] Well said James.

[cpbloom]

QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21

that is not true

If that is not true then I apologize BUT the fact that your question was answered on the first page and we're still talking about it leads me to think you are [:o)] around.

Again if that is not true then I apologize.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

[#ditto] Well said James.

Thank you. I feel like I'm [banghead] with this guy, but I had to give it one last shot. And the worst thing is, I don't think this guy has a clue how insulting some of his posts are. [sigh]

Hopefully he'll listen this time, but I certainly wouldn't want to bet the farm on it. [2c]

[chad thomas]

Me thinks you right.[;)]

[spbed]

Personally I think he is having fun PPing on people older then him. JMHO though

[chad thomas]

Then you two trolls should get along great with eachother.[#dots]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed

Personally I think he is having fun PPing on people older then him. JMHO though

Could be. But I had to give him one last chance, giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he's telling the truth.

After this, though, I'm through. Whether it's deliberate or just because he's clueless, either way, I've hit the point of no return. If he doesn't figure it out this time, he's on his own. I'm through with [banghead].

[Anonymous]

If you really want some answers, there are three things you can do:
1.) Listen to everyone here.
2.) Look in to the past
3.) Look at the NYSE and STB

Why?

1.) Mostly everyone in here either a.) works for the railroad or b.) knows these rails by heart. I can tell you what trians to expect on the W line on the Norfolk Southern. I live and breath around Huntingburg, IN, so of course, I should know what to expect. One day while railfanning, caught nothing but UP SD70M's in Southern Indiana of all places!

2.) Right now, all the Class I's are paying off their merger consumptions from the mid 80's on up. Union Pacific should be automatically counted out of the race for merging anytime in the near future, since it is paying off CNW, SP and possibly the Katy. BNSF is still paying off for ATSF, NS and CSX are still paying off Conrail and CN for IC. The only merger right now would be for CP to merge up with someone. However, that is doubtful seeing how they are doing a bad job with service (they are in the process of selling off the Latta Sub to INRD). Railroads are businesses, they thrive on booming economies and they need to survive. SP and UP merged to threats by BN and SF. CSX entered the takeover for CR due to NS. BNSF and CN were going to merge in reaction to the UP+SP combo but that failed.

3.) Right now if you look at the NYSE, you will see that stocks for railroads are pretty lofty (NS is at $54, CSX is at 59, CN at 47, CP is 49, UP is 92, BNSF is 80) which translates to if a western railroad and an eastern railroad wanted to merge, it would be bloody expensive! And let's not think about western railraods (Sherman Anti-Trust Act ring a bell?)

Let's say you want to buy out 50% of the outstanding stock at NS and it was at 100,000,000, okay, first you would have to agree to pay it at an inflated rate. Something that is higher so that the investors will accept the merger and see that it will make them money. Remember many investors are in the stock business to make money, like businesses. So let's say for a moment that BSNF wants to merge with NS, that means BNSF will buy 50,000,000 shares outstanding, not including shares outstanding they need to buy in order to get a foothold. But, they will need to pass through the STB and NYSE first to make sure this is a legit deal. Now let's say they offer roughly $60 a share for NS stock which is a deal to some, that would mean BNSF would pay out 300,000,000! but in all actuality, NS's outstanding stock is 412,237,000!

So do you see the issue with merging right now? It's not just unreasonable and a fantasy, you wont make a profitable enough return to make it feasable.

[coborn35]

CN paying IC, WC, GLTX (includes DMIR,BLE,PCDC, and others)

[paulstecyna21]

alright we will leave it at that and lets get back to train talk.
at 4:15pm i saw a ns freight with these engines ns, up, and ns of a mixed train.

[paulstecyna21]

at 6:00am this morning i saw a ns freight with these engines ns, up, ns
is it what most of you said?

[chad thomas]

Can you hear me now?

QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

Or it could be paying back or accumulating "horse power hours"

Run through agreements are typicaly between "city pairs" on a particular route that goes through two or more railroads territory (tracks).

Units accumulating or paying back horsepower hours can show up anywhere in any service as the power desk sees fit.

Railroads, especially the class ones, are always borrowing power from eachother. The way they keep things even is called "horse power hours". For instance lets say UP borrows a NS SD40-2, An SD40-2 is 3000hp and will be counted as 3000 horse power hours for every hour it spends on UP. If it's there for a day the UP would owe NS 72,000 HP hours. Now say somewhere else NS has borrowed a UP AC6000 for a day. Sience the AC6000 is 6000 hp it will accumulate 144,000 hours in the same time. So now there is a debt owed to NS of 72,000 hp hours. Each railroad keeps track of the balance between them and each one of the other railroads and if the balance gets to be too much, the oweing railroad will send some units to the owed railroad to balance things out. They usually use there own power for this but they could also lease units from a leasor or another railroad to pay back hp hours owed. They could send the owed railroad a whole bunch of units to pay off there debt quickly or more economicaly they send a few units to the owed railroad and it takes a lot longer. In that case a foreign unit might be roaming around the owed railroads property for a while and could end up in the farthest corners of there system. They are typicaly treated as if they were there own units and would assign them as they would any other power (though sometime the power desks will keep them in a certain geographic area or service)

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21

at 6:00am this morning i saw a ns freight with these engines ns, up, ns
is it what most of you said?

I have seen Canadian National mixed in with BNSF right here in the heart of the midlands. I have a whole list of CSX, NS, CN, UP, KCS, MRL, FURX - the list goes on - that have gone through here. Can't get any more vanilla than that, so if you are still beating this dead horse, then we will have to call out the troll patrol.

Mook!

[paulstecyna21]

yeah you are right