QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 you are a nice person
Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub
Collin ,operator of the " Eastern Kentucky & Ohio R.R."
Originally posted by mackb4 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 6, 2006 7:22 AM Especially when he was given visual evidence of a NSRR in a BNSF consist doing 70MPH @ Daggett California [:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by James_the_Mad Seand; I agree; there are no stupid questions, especially from newbies. But when 6 guys answer the question, and the response is; "i will contact the company and find out more," I can see why the response would be something on the order of; "Then why did you bother to ask the question in the first place, if all you're going to do is tell us you don't believe us and imply we're lying to you?" Which is about what came down in this thread. I'm not exactly a regular on this board, but I've spent enough time posting on various boards to know what a flagrant violation of netiquete that is. Shalom, James Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 6, 2006 10:09 AM i will find out the results some time this week http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 6, 2006 10:20 AM [(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D] Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 6, 2006 10:24 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will find out the results some time this week If you don't listen to what we have to say, why should we care what you have to say? I tried to advise you against it, but you are well on your way to being labled a troll like spbed.[:(] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 6, 2006 4:44 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will find out the results some time this week [X-)] [D)] Oy vey! James [banghead] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 6, 2006 6:54 PM While neither a frequent visitor to this site, nor do I have the time to railfan as much as I once did, on the times I have been out to watch or photograph I have consistently seen both NS and CSX power mixed in with BNSF / ATSF / BN power in the Twin Cities. Although I do see plenty of UP power as well, there is a much less likely chance of seeing mixed power with UP at least in this region. There really is no dumb question, and the "netiquette" on this site is somewhere between laid back and barely tolerant from my experience. As a friend of mine in Chicago once said: "Get over it."[:D][;)] Reply Edit paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, March 7, 2006 6:15 AM keep me updated http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 9, 2006 6:04 AM are cabose still used on freight trains? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:00 AM Me thinks you people are being led down the garden path.... She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:11 AM ZMe thinks you are correct after the caboose post. [:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie Me thinks you people are being led down the garden path.... Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply wabash1 Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 2,849 posts Posted by wabash1 on Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:24 AM yes we still use cabooses they are some what smaller than the ones in the past and more modern and lots of electronics in them now. we can operate with out them but its easier to use them. and we dont just use our own we use what ever is avalible and stick them to the rear. jest as long as its a caboose is all we care. Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Thursday, March 9, 2006 12:01 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1 yes we still use cabooses they are some what smaller than the ones in the past and more modern and lots of electronics in them now. we can operate with out them but its easier to use them. and we dont just use our own we use what ever is avalible and stick them to the rear. jest as long as its a caboose is all we care. True, how true, and we especially like it when it links up to the rest of the train.[8D] The primary use of a caboose in todays' world is as a shoving platform when a crew is going to make a long shove somewhere, almost always yard jobs and locals, never through freight. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 10, 2006 6:02 AM well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Friday, March 10, 2006 7:41 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it I hope you're not camping out by your mailbox waiting on it. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 10, 2006 9:33 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it Gee, There is a big suprise. Reply CNW 6000 Member sinceDecember 2005 From: MP 175.1 CN Neenah Sub 4,917 posts Posted by CNW 6000 on Friday, March 10, 2006 10:32 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Or it could be paying back or accumulating "horse power hours" Run through agreements are typicaly between "city pairs" on a particular route that goes through two or more railroads territory (tracks). Units accumulating or paying back horsepower hours can show up anywhere in any service as the power desk sees fit. Railroads, especially the class ones, are always borrowing power from eachother. The way they keep things even is called "horse power hours". For instance lets say UP borrows a NS SD40-2, An SD40-2 is 3000hp and will be counted as 3000 horse power hours for every hour it spends on UP. If it's there for a day the UP would owe NS 72,000 HP hours. Now say somewhere else NS has borrowed a UP AC6000 for a day. Sience the AC6000 is 6000 hp it will accumulate 144,000 hours in the same time. So now there is a debt owed to NS of 72,000 hp hours. Each railroad keeps track of the balance between them and each one of the other railroads and if the balance gets to be too much, the oweing railroad will send some units to the owed railroad to balance things out. They usually use there own power for this but they could also lease units from a leasor or another railroad to pay back hp hours owed. They could send the owed railroad a whole bunch of units to pay off there debt quickly or more economicaly they send a few units to the owed railroad and it takes a lot longer. In that case a foreign unit might be roaming around the owed railroads property for a while and could end up in the farthest corners of there system. They are typicaly treated as if they were there own units and would assign them as they would any other power (though sometime the power desks will keep them in a certain geographic area or service) Holy what a good explanation. Thanks! Dan Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 10, 2006 11:59 AM No problem. You're welcome. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 10, 2006 2:04 PM I AM NOT CAMPING OUTSIDE MY MAILBOX AND BY THE WAY I DO NOT HAVE A MAILBOX. ITS GETS DELIVERED TO MY DOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 10, 2006 4:40 PM Junior is getting upset because we're making fun of him for calling us a bunch of liars, and for not accepting explanations from what, about 10 people now? Maybe mommy needs to take junior's computer away from him before he works himself into a stroke, or maybe a heart attack. [:O] [xx(] [:I] Added note - I just went back and counted. Thirteen people have stated this is due to power sharing or through power arrangements. Seven more are laughing at junior for his presumption, and for challenging the answer because we didn't tell him what he expected to hear. And another four, while not explicitely stating as much, have acknowledged the basic premise that this is basically about power sharing. So what's the definition of a troll? Perhaps arguing with 2 dozen members of the board would qualify? [;)] [(-D] Reply Edit Gluefinger Member sinceJuly 2002 484 posts Posted by Gluefinger on Friday, March 10, 2006 5:41 PM Sigh, the next generation of railfans....oh wait! Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 13, 2006 6:07 AM if there is one thing i have got to say it is that i am still in high school and i am junior, not only that but i do not know most of these things that you talk about since i am in 11th grade in high school. Is this fine with everybody? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 13, 2006 9:28 AM If you were willing to listen, that would be fine. But when you insist on implying that we're a bunch of lying morons, that is not acceptable. Do you challenge your teachers, questioning every lesson? Do you question everything your friends tell you? And if not, then why do you think such behavior would be acceptable here? Reply Edit 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by James_the_Mad Seand; I agree; there are no stupid questions, especially from newbies. But when 6 guys answer the question, and the response is; "i will contact the company and find out more," I can see why the response would be something on the order of; "Then why did you bother to ask the question in the first place, if all you're going to do is tell us you don't believe us and imply we're lying to you?" Which is about what came down in this thread. I'm not exactly a regular on this board, but I've spent enough time posting on various boards to know what a flagrant violation of netiquete that is. Shalom, James
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will find out the results some time this week
She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie Me thinks you people are being led down the garden path....
QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1 yes we still use cabooses they are some what smaller than the ones in the past and more modern and lots of electronics in them now. we can operate with out them but its easier to use them. and we dont just use our own we use what ever is avalible and stick them to the rear. jest as long as its a caboose is all we care.
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Or it could be paying back or accumulating "horse power hours" Run through agreements are typicaly between "city pairs" on a particular route that goes through two or more railroads territory (tracks). Units accumulating or paying back horsepower hours can show up anywhere in any service as the power desk sees fit. Railroads, especially the class ones, are always borrowing power from eachother. The way they keep things even is called "horse power hours". For instance lets say UP borrows a NS SD40-2, An SD40-2 is 3000hp and will be counted as 3000 horse power hours for every hour it spends on UP. If it's there for a day the UP would owe NS 72,000 HP hours. Now say somewhere else NS has borrowed a UP AC6000 for a day. Sience the AC6000 is 6000 hp it will accumulate 144,000 hours in the same time. So now there is a debt owed to NS of 72,000 hp hours. Each railroad keeps track of the balance between them and each one of the other railroads and if the balance gets to be too much, the oweing railroad will send some units to the owed railroad to balance things out. They usually use there own power for this but they could also lease units from a leasor or another railroad to pay back hp hours owed. They could send the owed railroad a whole bunch of units to pay off there debt quickly or more economicaly they send a few units to the owed railroad and it takes a lot longer. In that case a foreign unit might be roaming around the owed railroads property for a while and could end up in the farthest corners of there system. They are typicaly treated as if they were there own units and would assign them as they would any other power (though sometime the power desks will keep them in a certain geographic area or service)
Dan
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