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QUOTE: Originally posted by JoeKoh merger no.just borrowed power where one rr uses anothers power and then lets them borrow there power for awhile.usually on ns if there is an ns in the consist it usually has the point.csx puts engines in various orders. stay safe Joe
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 then how come norfolk southern had those 2 engines?
QUOTE: Originally posted by David_Telesha QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 then how come norfolk southern had those 2 engines? RUN THROUGH POWER AGREEMENT Somewhere there is a NS engine on BNSF and UP - saves from changing engines at interchanges and other things. How many times must this topic come up?
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey.
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas If only I had a nickel for every time a foreign unit started a merger rumor, I'd be rich.[(-D]
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QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will contact the company and find out more
Yes we are on time but this is yesterdays train
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QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Mabee in your world it's 3000 miles but not in ours.
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will still find out information
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him
QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX I saw some SOO engines on Norfolk Southern today, wonder what it means?
Originally posted by paulstecyna21 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:17 AM Powersharing...sheeesh, frieght trains today often look just like the first days of Jamtrak This weekend I saw a train thats power consisted of 1 BNSF great pumpkin, 2 BNSF green machines, a CN unit, 2 SF warbonnets and a FerroMex unit! Also seen, NS, CSX, CN, SP and UP all lashed together at one time. Sheesh! Have fun with your trains Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:23 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him OK so what did you find out? Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:38 AM Chad, I hope you aren't holding your breath! Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:17 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX Chad, I hope you aren't holding your breath! Exactly. Reply waltersrails Member sinceJuly 2005 From: CSXT/B&O Flora IL 1,937 posts Posted by waltersrails on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:40 PM everyday on ns line through here there is usally SF BN BNSF UP MRL CN on a NS lead train we have it all run through. Most all have a NS in front. there just extra power. I like NS but CSX has the B&O. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by waltersrails everyday on ns line through here there is usally SF BN BNSF UP MRL CN on a NS lead train we have it all run through. Most all have a NS in front. there just extra power. is that the truth that what you said is happening? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:19 PM It happens every day, one day, every CSX train I met was led by a BNSF unit and when I got off the trackage rights onto the NS, every NS train I met was also being led by a BNSF unit. We're talking ten trains here, easily, and I was also operating a BNSF unit. That day, it looked like BNSF had taken over everything in the east. Reply georgel Member sinceDecember 2001 51 posts Posted by georgel on Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:30 PM I see N.S. and U.P. units between San Diego and L.A. pulling BNSF freights on tracks not owned by any of then. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, February 24, 2006 6:14 AM keep me informed because this is very interesting http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, February 24, 2006 9:59 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 keep me informed because this is very interesting I though you were going to call your connect at NS? what happend to that? Now all of the sudden you want us to keep the info comming but you give our answers no credibility?[B)] Look, I'm not trying to make an enemy with you. This is a forum with many industry insiders as well as many very intelegent people with very diverse expertice in many fields that share a common intrest in trains. Most of these people are willing to share there knowledge freely. But when you act like our answers have no credibility then you will loose the respect of your fellow forum members and will be considered a troll and unwelcome. I have seen it many times. Show us respect and we'll show you respect. I hope you make the right choice.[8D] Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, February 24, 2006 10:10 AM Just keep your eyes posted on the below listed webcam which is the BNSF transcon in Ft. Madison Iowa & you will see it for yourself[:p] http://www.livetrains.com/plugins/cam/default.asp QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 keep me informed because this is very interesting Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Friday, February 24, 2006 11:50 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas If only I had a nickel for every time a foreign unit started a merger rumor, I'd be rich.[(-D] I've recently seen some AT&SF locomotives on BN trains here locally. You don't suppose that BN and SF are planning a merger, do you?[:p] I KNEW IT!! QUOTE: i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him LMAO!!! keep ME posted this is very interesting!! Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, February 24, 2006 12:19 PM In fact, I've ridden on a train that was powered by Great Northern and Soo Line power! Do you think there's something going on there, Max?[;)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, February 24, 2006 12:29 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding In fact, I've ridden on a train that was powered by Great Northern and Soo Line power! Do you think there's something going on there, Max?[;)] Must be a merger in the works. What name will they use? Great Soo? Soo Northern? Great Soo St. Marie Northern? How about Soo Great? Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, February 24, 2006 12:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding In fact, I've ridden on a train that was powered by Great Northern and Soo Line power! Do you think there's something going on there, Max?[;)] Must be a merger in the works. What name will they use? Great Soo? Soo Northern? Great Soo St. Marie Northern? How about Soo Great? NSSR[;)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, February 27, 2006 6:07 AM give me until next week and there will be a response http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, February 27, 2006 9:30 AM Be SURE to get back to us in a week[:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 give me until next week and there will be a response Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply wabash1 Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 2,849 posts Posted by wabash1 on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:27 AM all you forum mebers need to appologize to paul he is correct there is something in the works. a massive merger. here is how it goes 1) the railroads have made a massave power pool at all major city when trains come in and die the power is taken to a holding area the first ones there get the best power.( must have a ligit train to get power) this is why you see NS trains with Union pacific power. most up power is in great shape so they run for it regular then they run for the bnsf power after that they go get the ns power and then lease power. seems the only place we see csx power is on csx tracks. 2) the code used is simple get a straight cut of power if possible but every now and then you see mixed units bnsf with ns power and so on. amtrak wanted in on the power merger but we tried giving them yellow and black units ( union pacific sd70 and ns dash 8 and 9s ) but the didnt want there trains looking like checker cabs that were on fire. if they would do that maybe they get there on time..... 3) once power was assigned it stayed on trains to destination were the carrier had to fuel and put them back nto the power merger pool. thats it no bigger story that that. i waiting for the rail ed works for to put there power in the pool. .... By the way Ed do you guys have the same problem with new conductors staying awake. mine seem to fall asleep about the time they sit down on the engine..do you have this problem ed.............................ed....................................ed wake up!!!!! Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:16 AM Click on the below link. It was made in Nov 05 east of Daggett CA yes that is right California where the NSRR supposely does not serve. 1st you will see a NSRR loco as part of a EB consist then we did a 180 & caught a WB also with a NSRR loco in its consist also east of Daggett CA http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4360162034832389620 [:p] Originally posted by paulstecyna21 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 6:51 AM Bump waiting for the strarter of this thread to advise us all of his contacts with the NSRR that he said he would he would be doing Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 8:20 AM the letter was sent today and i should get a response this weekend. http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 8:47 AM Did you open up the link I sent U & review it to see the pix of a NSRR locos helping pull both a EB & WB BNSF train in California? Originally posted by paulstecyna21 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 2, 2006 7:47 AM Bump. So did you have time to look up that web site I sent U yesterday & your comments if U did [?][?] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 keep me informed because this is very interesting Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 2, 2006 10:02 AM neat and you were right on what you said http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 2, 2006 10:29 AM Yes thanks & hope that also answered your question [:o)] Originally posted by paulstecyna21 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 3, 2006 6:12 AM thank you but i am going to find out more from the company http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 3, 2006 9:25 AM All I can say to this post is good luck [:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 thank you but i am going to find out more from the company Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 3, 2006 9:51 AM you are a nice person http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 3, 2006 12:20 PM I will shortly be in Texas & I will guess I will see NSRR locos there as well. Thanks for the kudo also[:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 you are a nice person Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 3, 2006 11:17 PM My house backs up to the UP right of way in central California, in an area where BNSF also has trackage rights, and I see as many BNSF trains as I do UP. I see NS units on just about every other train, and it doesn't matter if the train is BNSF or UP. I also see CSX units regularly and KCS units occasionally, again on both BNSF and UP trains. I also see CN, CP and MRL units once in a while, although they are seen primarily on BNSF trains. If the trains behind my house are any any indication, we must looking at a 3-way merger between BNSF, UP & NS. [;)] James Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 4, 2006 3:49 AM Hey..is Conrail merging with Union Pacific? More evidence of a NS and UP merger: Oh maybe a NS and BNSF merger: Maybe UP and Conrail are merging with CSX: I sure am confused! ****Joking![:p] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 4, 2006 11:15 AM 1st there is no stupid question & the reason it comes up often is because to someone just starting to railfan it is unusual to see mixed equipment run together. think of the last time you saw a trucking company haul somebody elses trailer such as a schneider cab hauling a millis trailer/doesnt happen. it seems odd that fierce competitors would enter into agrements to help each other. I myself am new to the hobby & asked same question nly last week & made several new & friendly contacts who gave me great info(they didnt bother to ask why I raised the question). -2ndly Ive been seeing an old RIO-Grande engine near pittsburgh on NS tracks / looks likeSD45. who decides what to "loan out"? seems like a SD45 is not comparble to loaning UP a newr engine? Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 4, 2006 2:39 PM Seand; I agree; there are no stupid questions, especially from newbies. But when 6 guys answer the question, and the response is; "i will contact the company and find out more," I can see why the response would be something on the order of; "Then why did you bother to ask the question in the first place, if all you're going to do is tell us you don't believe us and imply we're lying to you?" Which is about what came down in this thread. I'm not exactly a regular on this board, but I've spent enough time posting on various boards to know what a flagrant violation of netiquete that is. Shalom, James Reply Edit mackb4 Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: My Old Kentucky Home 599 posts Posted by mackb4 on Monday, March 6, 2006 12:40 AM I work for the NS and have not heard a new rumor about any merger in a while.With the price of NS's stock going up the way it is,it will be a task for anyone to try and takeover or merge.The only talk I have heard is the increase in coal and intermodal that's on the horizin.After the NS completes it's tunnel projects we will surely look more valuable in a merger or a shared assets agreement.But there is to much to read into seeing railroads sharing power.They get sometype of tax break doing this.I had an almost brand new BNSF engine on a time freight last trip.And seen plenty of UP's on other trains.What's odd is I hardly ever see a CSX engine on one of our trains.Maybe people see them on NS train's elsewhere ? [2c] Collin ,operator of the " Eastern Kentucky & Ohio R.R." Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 6, 2006 7:20 AM Sure see them all the ime out west mostly on the UPRR. Look up my web site then the gallery California Nov 05 then look thru the Daggett pix & you will find a "K" line double stack train with a CSX in the consist [:p] Originally posted by mackb4 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 6, 2006 7:22 AM Especially when he was given visual evidence of a NSRR in a BNSF consist doing 70MPH @ Daggett California [:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by James_the_Mad Seand; I agree; there are no stupid questions, especially from newbies. But when 6 guys answer the question, and the response is; "i will contact the company and find out more," I can see why the response would be something on the order of; "Then why did you bother to ask the question in the first place, if all you're going to do is tell us you don't believe us and imply we're lying to you?" Which is about what came down in this thread. I'm not exactly a regular on this board, but I've spent enough time posting on various boards to know what a flagrant violation of netiquete that is. Shalom, James Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 6, 2006 10:09 AM i will find out the results some time this week http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 6, 2006 10:20 AM [(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D] Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 6, 2006 10:24 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will find out the results some time this week If you don't listen to what we have to say, why should we care what you have to say? I tried to advise you against it, but you are well on your way to being labled a troll like spbed.[:(] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 6, 2006 4:44 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will find out the results some time this week [X-)] [D)] Oy vey! James [banghead] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 6, 2006 6:54 PM While neither a frequent visitor to this site, nor do I have the time to railfan as much as I once did, on the times I have been out to watch or photograph I have consistently seen both NS and CSX power mixed in with BNSF / ATSF / BN power in the Twin Cities. Although I do see plenty of UP power as well, there is a much less likely chance of seeing mixed power with UP at least in this region. There really is no dumb question, and the "netiquette" on this site is somewhere between laid back and barely tolerant from my experience. As a friend of mine in Chicago once said: "Get over it."[:D][;)] Reply Edit paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, March 7, 2006 6:15 AM keep me updated http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 9, 2006 6:04 AM are cabose still used on freight trains? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:00 AM Me thinks you people are being led down the garden path.... She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:11 AM ZMe thinks you are correct after the caboose post. [:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie Me thinks you people are being led down the garden path.... Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply wabash1 Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 2,849 posts Posted by wabash1 on Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:24 AM yes we still use cabooses they are some what smaller than the ones in the past and more modern and lots of electronics in them now. we can operate with out them but its easier to use them. and we dont just use our own we use what ever is avalible and stick them to the rear. jest as long as its a caboose is all we care. Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Thursday, March 9, 2006 12:01 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1 yes we still use cabooses they are some what smaller than the ones in the past and more modern and lots of electronics in them now. we can operate with out them but its easier to use them. and we dont just use our own we use what ever is avalible and stick them to the rear. jest as long as its a caboose is all we care. True, how true, and we especially like it when it links up to the rest of the train.[8D] The primary use of a caboose in todays' world is as a shoving platform when a crew is going to make a long shove somewhere, almost always yard jobs and locals, never through freight. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 10, 2006 6:02 AM well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Friday, March 10, 2006 7:41 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it I hope you're not camping out by your mailbox waiting on it. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 10, 2006 9:33 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it Gee, There is a big suprise. Reply CNW 6000 Member sinceDecember 2005 From: MP 175.1 CN Neenah Sub 4,917 posts Posted by CNW 6000 on Friday, March 10, 2006 10:32 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Or it could be paying back or accumulating "horse power hours" Run through agreements are typicaly between "city pairs" on a particular route that goes through two or more railroads territory (tracks). Units accumulating or paying back horsepower hours can show up anywhere in any service as the power desk sees fit. Railroads, especially the class ones, are always borrowing power from eachother. The way they keep things even is called "horse power hours". For instance lets say UP borrows a NS SD40-2, An SD40-2 is 3000hp and will be counted as 3000 horse power hours for every hour it spends on UP. If it's there for a day the UP would owe NS 72,000 HP hours. Now say somewhere else NS has borrowed a UP AC6000 for a day. Sience the AC6000 is 6000 hp it will accumulate 144,000 hours in the same time. So now there is a debt owed to NS of 72,000 hp hours. Each railroad keeps track of the balance between them and each one of the other railroads and if the balance gets to be too much, the oweing railroad will send some units to the owed railroad to balance things out. They usually use there own power for this but they could also lease units from a leasor or another railroad to pay back hp hours owed. They could send the owed railroad a whole bunch of units to pay off there debt quickly or more economicaly they send a few units to the owed railroad and it takes a lot longer. In that case a foreign unit might be roaming around the owed railroads property for a while and could end up in the farthest corners of there system. They are typicaly treated as if they were there own units and would assign them as they would any other power (though sometime the power desks will keep them in a certain geographic area or service) Holy what a good explanation. Thanks! Dan Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 10, 2006 11:59 AM No problem. You're welcome. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 10, 2006 2:04 PM I AM NOT CAMPING OUTSIDE MY MAILBOX AND BY THE WAY I DO NOT HAVE A MAILBOX. ITS GETS DELIVERED TO MY DOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 10, 2006 4:40 PM Junior is getting upset because we're making fun of him for calling us a bunch of liars, and for not accepting explanations from what, about 10 people now? Maybe mommy needs to take junior's computer away from him before he works himself into a stroke, or maybe a heart attack. [:O] [xx(] [:I] Added note - I just went back and counted. Thirteen people have stated this is due to power sharing or through power arrangements. Seven more are laughing at junior for his presumption, and for challenging the answer because we didn't tell him what he expected to hear. And another four, while not explicitely stating as much, have acknowledged the basic premise that this is basically about power sharing. So what's the definition of a troll? Perhaps arguing with 2 dozen members of the board would qualify? [;)] [(-D] Reply Edit Gluefinger Member sinceJuly 2002 484 posts Posted by Gluefinger on Friday, March 10, 2006 5:41 PM Sigh, the next generation of railfans....oh wait! Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 13, 2006 6:07 AM if there is one thing i have got to say it is that i am still in high school and i am junior, not only that but i do not know most of these things that you talk about since i am in 11th grade in high school. Is this fine with everybody? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 13, 2006 9:28 AM If you were willing to listen, that would be fine. But when you insist on implying that we're a bunch of lying morons, that is not acceptable. Do you challenge your teachers, questioning every lesson? Do you question everything your friends tell you? And if not, then why do you think such behavior would be acceptable here? Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 13, 2006 9:48 AM Paul, It's not your age it's your attitude. There are several well respected members of this forum that are your age and younger. Reply David_Telesha Member sinceNovember 2005 From: NYNH&H Norwich & Worcester MP21.7 774 posts Posted by David_Telesha on Monday, March 13, 2006 10:09 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 if there is one thing i have got to say it is that i am still in high school and i am junior, not only that but i do not know most of these things that you talk about since i am in 11th grade in high school. Is this fine with everybody? Whats your point? I'm 16 and am a Junior. You're question answered by many people (myself included)... David Telesha New Haven Railroad - www.NHRHTA.org Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 13, 2006 1:42 PM all right i will acept what everybody has said but i like to do my own investigating my self that is why i sent the letter to the company. http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Monday, March 13, 2006 2:19 PM Don't squash an independent spirit! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 13, 2006 2:25 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by daveklepper Don't squash an independent spirit! Nice thought, but I'd be happier if he wasn't talking out of both sides of his mouth, in affect saying: "Okay, I accept what I've been told, but I'm still gonna **** on your answers." Reply Edit paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:10 AM can you just be very nice to me http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:28 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 can you just be very nice to me How about another question: Can you show respect for those who have taken the time and effort to answer you? Ain't no one-way streets here. You want nice, consider showing respect and not dissin' people that are willing to help out. Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:55 AM [#ditto] Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:56 PM Does anyone else think that it is amazing that this topic is up to page 5? Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 7:48 AM Hello I am just back from Texas & if I was you I would get my MSN word in full gear cause I saw the following. My 1st stop was Temple Tx & lo & behold the 1st thing I saw is a NSRR on the BNSFleading 4 other locos in a lite move somewhere. So when I got to the motel later I immediately checked the NSRR & found out that the NSRR does not serve Temple. Next stop was Austin & there I saw a NB UPRR train being lead by a NSRR loco with a UPRR loco as the trailer. Again when I got back to the motel I checked to see if the NSRR serves Austin & found it does not. Finally I stopped at Saginaw that is TX not Michigan & there on the BNSF I saw my 1st road railer trailer train guess what it was being led by a NSRR loco trailed by a UPRR loco on the BNSF! Again I checked & found out that the NSRR does not serve Saginaw TX. My recommendation to you is you should write immediate letters to the UPRR/BNSF/NSRR & find out what the heck is going on as to why they are operating NSRR locos. Later today check out the actual pix of what I wrote above under the Texas March 06 gallery at the bel;ow listed web site http://vgalleries.com/members/railfan1/The+Trainfan.vrg [:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 I AM NOT CAMPING OUTSIDE MY MAILBOX AND BY THE WAY I DO NOT HAVE A MAILBOX. ITS GETS DELIVERED TO MY DOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:40 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX Does anyone else think that it is amazing that this topic is up to page 5? Not as amazing as the fact that I'm still poping in here. It's kind of like watching clowns, they are so lame, yet you still watch them.[(-D] Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:58 AM okay i will show respect can we be friends? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:06 AM So after 6 pages, have you learned more about run through power and power owed and how to get along with masses of people? Kind of a tough world out there isn't it! But these people are only asking for a little respect and mind your manners. Think before you type. Play nice and they will play nice. Mookie She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:18 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 okay i will show respect can we be friends? I'm willing to give you a chance to redeem yourself. Just remember when someone takes the time to write a half page well thought out answer (as I did) don't **** all over it like we don't know jack.[;)] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:11 PM I'm with Mookie & Chad. [#ditto] Reply Edit StillGrande Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Alexandria, VA 847 posts Posted by StillGrande on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:16 PM Hey, there is a Rio Grande hopper in the Anacostia Yard (CSX Washington DC) that has CSX markings. Also saw, about 2 hours ago, a UP loco in a CSX consist, so that merger must have happened. And to think I thought CN and some outfit called HLCX had mergered and taken over CSX when that was all I saw on a set of autoracks last month. These mergers are happening so fast, you would think the railroads were loaning each other locomotives or something! Dewey "Facts are meaningless; you can use facts to prove anything that is even remotely true! Facts, schmacks!" - Homer Simpson "The problem is there are so many stupid people and nothing eats them." Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 7:14 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 can you just be very nice to me I can't say I believe you're a Junior. I'm a FRESHMAN in High School, and with 10+ respected forum members answering my question, who would want to investigateon their own? It's unlikely NS will even care to respond anyway. Sorry, thems the breaks. Reply Edit paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:13 AM that is okay and i enjoy everybodys responses http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 20, 2006 6:34 AM here an unusal sighting that i saw. i saw a conrail freight engine pulling a union pacfic freight engine heading towards valley forge and harrisburg. http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 20, 2006 8:25 AM So are you going to write to the UPRR & NSRR now & ask them what UPRR loocos are doing in Pennsylvania? [:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 here an unusal sighting that i saw. i saw a conrail freight engine pulling a union pacfic freight engine heading towards valley forge and harrisburg. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 20, 2006 9:14 AM i have to wait until i get my letter back from ns http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Monday, March 20, 2006 9:16 AM I laugh. Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 20, 2006 9:18 AM why http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 20, 2006 10:43 AM Because if NS was planning a merger quietly then they are not going to write you back saying yes we are merging with x railroad, even if the person you wrote is a friend. If they were not being quiet about it then the NS employees here would know about it, and the rest of the railfan community as well. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 20, 2006 12:29 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX Does anyone else think that it is amazing that this topic is up to page 5? Not as amazing as the fact that I'm still poping in here. It's kind of like watching clowns, they are so lame, yet you still watch them.[(-D] well here we are now up to page 6 with still no end in sight and i like the line about this post being like watching clowns--that is too funny and since nothing we seem to say to this paulstecyna person seems to sink in or stick, i am going to suggest he change his name to 'teflon' Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 20, 2006 2:29 PM I think Paul suffers from a very naive view of the business world, and thinks that: a. NS cares about him enough to respond, and b. They will tell the truth. How many times have we seen companies (and people, especially in Holywood) deny rumors, only to have them connfirmed at the last minute? [(-D] Reply Edit coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Monday, March 20, 2006 2:34 PM When exactly did power sharing come about? It seems like in photo's of the 70's, it wall all one railroad. Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 6:14 AM i will give it until the end of this month http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply wabash1 Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 2,849 posts Posted by wabash1 on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:11 AM paul your right the union pacific and bnsf are trying to buy out the ns and the csx railroads . they wont tell you up front and it is against company policy to say anything. with in 5 years there will be only one railroad running coast to coast made of 2 railroads the bn and the up. they will keep the markings of their home frieght line but will run under a new name. also in breaking news the congress has passed a bill to run amtrak nationally and there is a 2.5billion dollar grant to lay high speed rail from L.A. callifornia to hawaii. it will be cheaper to take the train instead of flying and to keep cost down they will be using mexican labor. it will be all electric and with work ongoing 24 hrs aday the job should be done in 3 years. dont tell anyone this is top secreate Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:59 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 all right i will acept what everybody has said but i like to do my own investigating my self that is why i sent the letter to the company. Well, to all of you doubters. I sent my own letter to the NS and they said that they weren't gonna answer Paul's letter until the 32nd of March. Here's what they told me. There is NO Merger planned with any other Rail company....NONE! What they did say is that they were planning on merging with Tyco and Mattel. The merger will result in entirely new train consists. The new NS Tyco trains will all feature "real locomotive sounds," whistles and bells and real smoke coming out of the exhaust stack. The new trains will be powered by 1,000 AA batteries and have cabbage patch kids at the throttle. The new paint scheme will resemble the old NS scheme withthe addition of a big happy clown face on the front of every motor. There will be a sweepstake to be an engineer for the day. The official game pieces will be in specially marked boxes of sugarsmacks cereal, many will enter, few will win......good luck. Reply Edit ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:34 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1 paul your right the union pacific and bnsf are trying to buy out the ns and the csx railroads . they wont tell you up front and it is against company policy to say anything. with in 5 years there will be only one railroad running coast to coast made of 2 railroads the bn and the up. they will keep the markings of their home frieght line but will run under a new name. also in breaking news the congress has passed a bill to run amtrak nationally and there is a 2.5billion dollar grant to lay high speed rail from L.A. callifornia to hawaii. it will be cheaper to take the train instead of flying and to keep cost down they will be using mexican labor. it will be all electric and with work ongoing 24 hrs aday the job should be done in 3 years. dont tell anyone this is top secreate BLABBERMOUTH!! Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:08 PM AS CEO of Norfolk Southern, Paul ,I will tell you that we have already taken over EVERY RAILROAD IN THE WORLD, but ya know, mums the word. Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply amtrakjackson Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: Michigan 87 posts Posted by amtrakjackson on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:29 PM The other day we had to pick up a Conrail-painted NS unit at Kalamazoo's Botsford Yard because our P42 died; we tied it on the front of the 28. I didn't want to say anything before, knowing how rumors get started... but we did it to show everyone out here that NS is buying Amtrak and then repainting all the equipment French Blue. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:11 AM thank you http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:24 PM Dude; How many clues do you need that people are laughing at you? QUOTE: The other day we had to pick up a Conrail-painted NS unit at Kalamazoo's Botsford Yard because our P42 died; we tied it on the front of the 28. I didn't want to say anything before, knowing how rumors get started... but we did it to show everyone out here that NS is buying Amtrak and then repainting all the equipment French Blue. QUOTE: AS CEO of Norfolk Southern, Paul ,I will tell you that we have already taken over EVERY RAILROAD IN THE WORLD, but ya know, mums the word. QUOTE: paul your right the union pacific and bnsf are trying to buy out the ns and the csx railroads . they wont tell you up front and it is against company policy to say anything. with in 5 years there will be only one railroad running coast to coast made of 2 railroads the bn and the up. they will keep the markings of their home frieght line but will run under a new name. also in breaking news the congress has passed a bill to run amtrak nationally and there is a 2.5billion dollar grant to lay high speed rail from L.A. callifornia to hawaii. it will be cheaper to take the train instead of flying and to keep cost down they will be using mexican labor. it will be all electric and with work ongoing 24 hrs aday the job should be done in 3 years. dont tell anyone this is top secreate And I especially liked this one, saying you would be sent a response on the 32nd of March: QUOTE: Well, to all of you doubters. I sent my own letter to the NS and they said that they weren't gonna answer Paul's letter until the 32nd of March. Here's what they told me. There is NO Merger planned with any other Rail company....NONE! What they did say is that they were planning on merging with Tyco and Mattel. The merger will result in entirely new train consists. The new NS Tyco trains will all feature "real locomotive sounds," whistles and bells and real smoke coming out of the exhaust stack. The new trains will be powered by 1,000 AA batteries and have cabbage patch kids at the throttle. The new paint scheme will resemble the old NS scheme withthe addition of a big happy clown face on the front of every motor. There will be a sweepstake to be an engineer for the day. The official game pieces will be in specially marked boxes of sugarsmacks cereal, many will enter, few will win......good luck. Some of this stuff is so farfetched it will never happen. You are being seriously mocked with these ridiculous stories, and you seem to be the only one that doesn't get it. I mentioned earlier that I thought you were naive. If you don't understand the term, let me translate it for you: Naive = Clueless. And yes, the members of this board are continuing to laugh at you because you are so clueless. I know, these are harsh words. But as Mookie mentioned earlier, this is a tough world. And by continuing to tell us you're still waiting for a response from NS, you're just telling us again how naive (or clueless) you are. James QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 thank you Reply Edit coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:31 PM You have 22 posts on this thread that does not insinuate your a junior. You seem younger than me..... Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:07 AM i am 17 years old and was born in 1988 http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:38 PM Interesting...so did the letter come yet.....*walks away* *looks back* *bursts out laughing* I would give it up pal... Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:57 PM I'm wondering how many times he's going to push back his timeframe. [(-D] 3/1: "i should get a response this weekend." 3/6: "i will find out the results some time this week" 3/21: "i will give it until the end of this month" What happens when April 1st rolls around, and he still hasn't heard back? Or May 1st? Will he be telling us in July that he should get a response in another week or two? [sigh] Reply Edit cpbloom Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Still on the other side of the tracks. 397 posts Posted by cpbloom on Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:13 PM The more I read this topic the more I begin to wonder who the real fools are here. It sounds to me like he is just leading you all along to see how long you will play this game of "respond to my ridiculous posts". Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 24, 2006 6:07 AM that is not true http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, March 24, 2006 6:52 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom The more I read this topic the more I begin to wonder who the real fools are here. It sounds to me like he is just leading you all along to see how long you will play this game of "respond to my ridiculous posts". Took the words right out of my head! She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 24, 2006 7:17 AM you know i am only a junior in high school and i have a lot on my mind so why do you try to degrade me? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 24, 2006 9:29 AM Paul; I hate to tell you, but you're the one that set the ground rules for this particular game, and whining won't help. You pissed on our answers, and even now you're telling us you're still waiting for a response from NS. And you keep moving the deadline for the response, dragging this thing out. There are other members of this board that are the same age as your, or even younger, that aren't clueless like you seem to be. Some of them have even let you know what they thought of your posts in this thread. So using your age as an excuse doesn't wash. As for "i have a lot on my mind," if you don't have enough respect for us to pay attention, why are you wasting our time? You're not helping your reputation here, you know - you're just showing, once again, how disrespectfull and clueless you are. Shalom, James Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 24, 2006 9:58 AM [#ditto] Well said James. Reply cpbloom Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Still on the other side of the tracks. 397 posts Posted by cpbloom on Friday, March 24, 2006 10:22 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 that is not true If that is not true then I apologize BUT the fact that your question was answered on the first page and we're still talking about it leads me to think you are [:o)] around. Again if that is not true then I apologize. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:25 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas [#ditto] Well said James. Thank you. I feel like I'm [banghead] with this guy, but I had to give it one last shot. And the worst thing is, I don't think this guy has a clue how insulting some of his posts are. [sigh] Hopefully he'll listen this time, but I certainly wouldn't want to bet the farm on it. [2c] Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:42 AM Me thinks you right.[;)] Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:52 AM Personally I think he is having fun PPing on people older then him. JMHO though Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:57 AM Then you two trolls should get along great with eachother.[#dots] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 24, 2006 12:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Personally I think he is having fun PPing on people older then him. JMHO though Could be. But I had to give him one last chance, giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he's telling the truth. After this, though, I'm through. Whether it's deliberate or just because he's clueless, either way, I've hit the point of no return. If he doesn't figure it out this time, he's on his own. I'm through with [banghead]. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 24, 2006 2:36 PM If you really want some answers, there are three things you can do: 1.) Listen to everyone here. 2.) Look in to the past 3.) Look at the NYSE and STB Why? 1.) Mostly everyone in here either a.) works for the railroad or b.) knows these rails by heart. I can tell you what trians to expect on the W line on the Norfolk Southern. I live and breath around Huntingburg, IN, so of course, I should know what to expect. One day while railfanning, caught nothing but UP SD70M's in Southern Indiana of all places! 2.) Right now, all the Class I's are paying off their merger consumptions from the mid 80's on up. Union Pacific should be automatically counted out of the race for merging anytime in the near future, since it is paying off CNW, SP and possibly the Katy. BNSF is still paying off for ATSF, NS and CSX are still paying off Conrail and CN for IC. The only merger right now would be for CP to merge up with someone. However, that is doubtful seeing how they are doing a bad job with service (they are in the process of selling off the Latta Sub to INRD). Railroads are businesses, they thrive on booming economies and they need to survive. SP and UP merged to threats by BN and SF. CSX entered the takeover for CR due to NS. BNSF and CN were going to merge in reaction to the UP+SP combo but that failed. 3.) Right now if you look at the NYSE, you will see that stocks for railroads are pretty lofty (NS is at $54, CSX is at 59, CN at 47, CP is 49, UP is 92, BNSF is 80) which translates to if a western railroad and an eastern railroad wanted to merge, it would be bloody expensive! And let's not think about western railraods (Sherman Anti-Trust Act ring a bell?) Let's say you want to buy out 50% of the outstanding stock at NS and it was at 100,000,000, okay, first you would have to agree to pay it at an inflated rate. Something that is higher so that the investors will accept the merger and see that it will make them money. Remember many investors are in the stock business to make money, like businesses. So let's say for a moment that BSNF wants to merge with NS, that means BNSF will buy 50,000,000 shares outstanding, not including shares outstanding they need to buy in order to get a foothold. But, they will need to pass through the STB and NYSE first to make sure this is a legit deal. Now let's say they offer roughly $60 a share for NS stock which is a deal to some, that would mean BNSF would pay out 300,000,000! but in all actuality, NS's outstanding stock is 412,237,000! So do you see the issue with merging right now? It's not just unreasonable and a fantasy, you wont make a profitable enough return to make it feasable. Reply Edit coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Friday, March 24, 2006 3:44 PM CN paying IC, WC, GLTX (includes DMIR,BLE,PCDC, and others) Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 27, 2006 4:30 PM alright we will leave it at that and lets get back to train talk. at 4:15pm i saw a ns freight with these engines ns, up, and ns of a mixed train. http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 1:50 PM at 6:00am this morning i saw a ns freight with these engines ns, up, ns is it what most of you said? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:11 PM Can you hear me now? QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Or it could be paying back or accumulating "horse power hours" Run through agreements are typicaly between "city pairs" on a particular route that goes through two or more railroads territory (tracks). Units accumulating or paying back horsepower hours can show up anywhere in any service as the power desk sees fit. Railroads, especially the class ones, are always borrowing power from eachother. The way they keep things even is called "horse power hours". For instance lets say UP borrows a NS SD40-2, An SD40-2 is 3000hp and will be counted as 3000 horse power hours for every hour it spends on UP. If it's there for a day the UP would owe NS 72,000 HP hours. Now say somewhere else NS has borrowed a UP AC6000 for a day. Sience the AC6000 is 6000 hp it will accumulate 144,000 hours in the same time. So now there is a debt owed to NS of 72,000 hp hours. Each railroad keeps track of the balance between them and each one of the other railroads and if the balance gets to be too much, the oweing railroad will send some units to the owed railroad to balance things out. They usually use there own power for this but they could also lease units from a leasor or another railroad to pay back hp hours owed. They could send the owed railroad a whole bunch of units to pay off there debt quickly or more economicaly they send a few units to the owed railroad and it takes a lot longer. In that case a foreign unit might be roaming around the owed railroads property for a while and could end up in the farthest corners of there system. They are typicaly treated as if they were there own units and would assign them as they would any other power (though sometime the power desks will keep them in a certain geographic area or service) Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:26 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 at 6:00am this morning i saw a ns freight with these engines ns, up, ns is it what most of you said? I have seen Canadian National mixed in with BNSF right here in the heart of the midlands. I have a whole list of CSX, NS, CN, UP, KCS, MRL, FURX - the list goes on - that have gone through here. Can't get any more vanilla than that, so if you are still beating this dead horse, then we will have to call out the troll patrol. Mook! She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:16 AM yeah you are right http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX Chad, I hope you aren't holding your breath!
QUOTE: Originally posted by waltersrails everyday on ns line through here there is usally SF BN BNSF UP MRL CN on a NS lead train we have it all run through. Most all have a NS in front. there just extra power.
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 keep me informed because this is very interesting
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas If only I had a nickel for every time a foreign unit started a merger rumor, I'd be rich.[(-D] I've recently seen some AT&SF locomotives on BN trains here locally. You don't suppose that BN and SF are planning a merger, do you?[:p]
QUOTE: i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him
Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..."
The Missabe Road: Safety First
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding In fact, I've ridden on a train that was powered by Great Northern and Soo Line power! Do you think there's something going on there, Max?[;)]
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding In fact, I've ridden on a train that was powered by Great Northern and Soo Line power! Do you think there's something going on there, Max?[;)] Must be a merger in the works. What name will they use? Great Soo? Soo Northern? Great Soo St. Marie Northern? How about Soo Great?
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 give me until next week and there will be a response
Originally posted by paulstecyna21 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 6:51 AM Bump waiting for the strarter of this thread to advise us all of his contacts with the NSRR that he said he would he would be doing Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 8:20 AM the letter was sent today and i should get a response this weekend. http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 8:47 AM Did you open up the link I sent U & review it to see the pix of a NSRR locos helping pull both a EB & WB BNSF train in California? Originally posted by paulstecyna21 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 2, 2006 7:47 AM Bump. So did you have time to look up that web site I sent U yesterday & your comments if U did [?][?] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 keep me informed because this is very interesting Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 2, 2006 10:02 AM neat and you were right on what you said http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 2, 2006 10:29 AM Yes thanks & hope that also answered your question [:o)] Originally posted by paulstecyna21 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 3, 2006 6:12 AM thank you but i am going to find out more from the company http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 3, 2006 9:25 AM All I can say to this post is good luck [:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 thank you but i am going to find out more from the company Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 3, 2006 9:51 AM you are a nice person http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 3, 2006 12:20 PM I will shortly be in Texas & I will guess I will see NSRR locos there as well. Thanks for the kudo also[:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 you are a nice person Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 3, 2006 11:17 PM My house backs up to the UP right of way in central California, in an area where BNSF also has trackage rights, and I see as many BNSF trains as I do UP. I see NS units on just about every other train, and it doesn't matter if the train is BNSF or UP. I also see CSX units regularly and KCS units occasionally, again on both BNSF and UP trains. I also see CN, CP and MRL units once in a while, although they are seen primarily on BNSF trains. If the trains behind my house are any any indication, we must looking at a 3-way merger between BNSF, UP & NS. [;)] James Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 4, 2006 3:49 AM Hey..is Conrail merging with Union Pacific? More evidence of a NS and UP merger: Oh maybe a NS and BNSF merger: Maybe UP and Conrail are merging with CSX: I sure am confused! ****Joking![:p] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 4, 2006 11:15 AM 1st there is no stupid question & the reason it comes up often is because to someone just starting to railfan it is unusual to see mixed equipment run together. think of the last time you saw a trucking company haul somebody elses trailer such as a schneider cab hauling a millis trailer/doesnt happen. it seems odd that fierce competitors would enter into agrements to help each other. I myself am new to the hobby & asked same question nly last week & made several new & friendly contacts who gave me great info(they didnt bother to ask why I raised the question). -2ndly Ive been seeing an old RIO-Grande engine near pittsburgh on NS tracks / looks likeSD45. who decides what to "loan out"? seems like a SD45 is not comparble to loaning UP a newr engine? Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 4, 2006 2:39 PM Seand; I agree; there are no stupid questions, especially from newbies. But when 6 guys answer the question, and the response is; "i will contact the company and find out more," I can see why the response would be something on the order of; "Then why did you bother to ask the question in the first place, if all you're going to do is tell us you don't believe us and imply we're lying to you?" Which is about what came down in this thread. I'm not exactly a regular on this board, but I've spent enough time posting on various boards to know what a flagrant violation of netiquete that is. Shalom, James Reply Edit mackb4 Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: My Old Kentucky Home 599 posts Posted by mackb4 on Monday, March 6, 2006 12:40 AM I work for the NS and have not heard a new rumor about any merger in a while.With the price of NS's stock going up the way it is,it will be a task for anyone to try and takeover or merge.The only talk I have heard is the increase in coal and intermodal that's on the horizin.After the NS completes it's tunnel projects we will surely look more valuable in a merger or a shared assets agreement.But there is to much to read into seeing railroads sharing power.They get sometype of tax break doing this.I had an almost brand new BNSF engine on a time freight last trip.And seen plenty of UP's on other trains.What's odd is I hardly ever see a CSX engine on one of our trains.Maybe people see them on NS train's elsewhere ? [2c] Collin ,operator of the " Eastern Kentucky & Ohio R.R." Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 6, 2006 7:20 AM Sure see them all the ime out west mostly on the UPRR. Look up my web site then the gallery California Nov 05 then look thru the Daggett pix & you will find a "K" line double stack train with a CSX in the consist [:p] Originally posted by mackb4 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 6, 2006 7:22 AM Especially when he was given visual evidence of a NSRR in a BNSF consist doing 70MPH @ Daggett California [:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by James_the_Mad Seand; I agree; there are no stupid questions, especially from newbies. But when 6 guys answer the question, and the response is; "i will contact the company and find out more," I can see why the response would be something on the order of; "Then why did you bother to ask the question in the first place, if all you're going to do is tell us you don't believe us and imply we're lying to you?" Which is about what came down in this thread. I'm not exactly a regular on this board, but I've spent enough time posting on various boards to know what a flagrant violation of netiquete that is. Shalom, James Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 6, 2006 10:09 AM i will find out the results some time this week http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 6, 2006 10:20 AM [(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D] Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 6, 2006 10:24 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will find out the results some time this week If you don't listen to what we have to say, why should we care what you have to say? I tried to advise you against it, but you are well on your way to being labled a troll like spbed.[:(] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 6, 2006 4:44 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will find out the results some time this week [X-)] [D)] Oy vey! James [banghead] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 6, 2006 6:54 PM While neither a frequent visitor to this site, nor do I have the time to railfan as much as I once did, on the times I have been out to watch or photograph I have consistently seen both NS and CSX power mixed in with BNSF / ATSF / BN power in the Twin Cities. Although I do see plenty of UP power as well, there is a much less likely chance of seeing mixed power with UP at least in this region. There really is no dumb question, and the "netiquette" on this site is somewhere between laid back and barely tolerant from my experience. As a friend of mine in Chicago once said: "Get over it."[:D][;)] Reply Edit paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, March 7, 2006 6:15 AM keep me updated http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 9, 2006 6:04 AM are cabose still used on freight trains? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:00 AM Me thinks you people are being led down the garden path.... She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:11 AM ZMe thinks you are correct after the caboose post. [:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie Me thinks you people are being led down the garden path.... Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply wabash1 Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 2,849 posts Posted by wabash1 on Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:24 AM yes we still use cabooses they are some what smaller than the ones in the past and more modern and lots of electronics in them now. we can operate with out them but its easier to use them. and we dont just use our own we use what ever is avalible and stick them to the rear. jest as long as its a caboose is all we care. Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Thursday, March 9, 2006 12:01 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1 yes we still use cabooses they are some what smaller than the ones in the past and more modern and lots of electronics in them now. we can operate with out them but its easier to use them. and we dont just use our own we use what ever is avalible and stick them to the rear. jest as long as its a caboose is all we care. True, how true, and we especially like it when it links up to the rest of the train.[8D] The primary use of a caboose in todays' world is as a shoving platform when a crew is going to make a long shove somewhere, almost always yard jobs and locals, never through freight. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 10, 2006 6:02 AM well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Friday, March 10, 2006 7:41 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it I hope you're not camping out by your mailbox waiting on it. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 10, 2006 9:33 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it Gee, There is a big suprise. Reply CNW 6000 Member sinceDecember 2005 From: MP 175.1 CN Neenah Sub 4,917 posts Posted by CNW 6000 on Friday, March 10, 2006 10:32 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Or it could be paying back or accumulating "horse power hours" Run through agreements are typicaly between "city pairs" on a particular route that goes through two or more railroads territory (tracks). Units accumulating or paying back horsepower hours can show up anywhere in any service as the power desk sees fit. Railroads, especially the class ones, are always borrowing power from eachother. The way they keep things even is called "horse power hours". For instance lets say UP borrows a NS SD40-2, An SD40-2 is 3000hp and will be counted as 3000 horse power hours for every hour it spends on UP. If it's there for a day the UP would owe NS 72,000 HP hours. Now say somewhere else NS has borrowed a UP AC6000 for a day. Sience the AC6000 is 6000 hp it will accumulate 144,000 hours in the same time. So now there is a debt owed to NS of 72,000 hp hours. Each railroad keeps track of the balance between them and each one of the other railroads and if the balance gets to be too much, the oweing railroad will send some units to the owed railroad to balance things out. They usually use there own power for this but they could also lease units from a leasor or another railroad to pay back hp hours owed. They could send the owed railroad a whole bunch of units to pay off there debt quickly or more economicaly they send a few units to the owed railroad and it takes a lot longer. In that case a foreign unit might be roaming around the owed railroads property for a while and could end up in the farthest corners of there system. They are typicaly treated as if they were there own units and would assign them as they would any other power (though sometime the power desks will keep them in a certain geographic area or service) Holy what a good explanation. Thanks! Dan Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 10, 2006 11:59 AM No problem. You're welcome. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 10, 2006 2:04 PM I AM NOT CAMPING OUTSIDE MY MAILBOX AND BY THE WAY I DO NOT HAVE A MAILBOX. ITS GETS DELIVERED TO MY DOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 10, 2006 4:40 PM Junior is getting upset because we're making fun of him for calling us a bunch of liars, and for not accepting explanations from what, about 10 people now? Maybe mommy needs to take junior's computer away from him before he works himself into a stroke, or maybe a heart attack. [:O] [xx(] [:I] Added note - I just went back and counted. Thirteen people have stated this is due to power sharing or through power arrangements. Seven more are laughing at junior for his presumption, and for challenging the answer because we didn't tell him what he expected to hear. And another four, while not explicitely stating as much, have acknowledged the basic premise that this is basically about power sharing. So what's the definition of a troll? Perhaps arguing with 2 dozen members of the board would qualify? [;)] [(-D] Reply Edit Gluefinger Member sinceJuly 2002 484 posts Posted by Gluefinger on Friday, March 10, 2006 5:41 PM Sigh, the next generation of railfans....oh wait! Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 13, 2006 6:07 AM if there is one thing i have got to say it is that i am still in high school and i am junior, not only that but i do not know most of these things that you talk about since i am in 11th grade in high school. Is this fine with everybody? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 13, 2006 9:28 AM If you were willing to listen, that would be fine. But when you insist on implying that we're a bunch of lying morons, that is not acceptable. Do you challenge your teachers, questioning every lesson? Do you question everything your friends tell you? And if not, then why do you think such behavior would be acceptable here? Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 13, 2006 9:48 AM Paul, It's not your age it's your attitude. There are several well respected members of this forum that are your age and younger. Reply David_Telesha Member sinceNovember 2005 From: NYNH&H Norwich & Worcester MP21.7 774 posts Posted by David_Telesha on Monday, March 13, 2006 10:09 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 if there is one thing i have got to say it is that i am still in high school and i am junior, not only that but i do not know most of these things that you talk about since i am in 11th grade in high school. Is this fine with everybody? Whats your point? I'm 16 and am a Junior. You're question answered by many people (myself included)... David Telesha New Haven Railroad - www.NHRHTA.org Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 13, 2006 1:42 PM all right i will acept what everybody has said but i like to do my own investigating my self that is why i sent the letter to the company. http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Monday, March 13, 2006 2:19 PM Don't squash an independent spirit! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 13, 2006 2:25 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by daveklepper Don't squash an independent spirit! Nice thought, but I'd be happier if he wasn't talking out of both sides of his mouth, in affect saying: "Okay, I accept what I've been told, but I'm still gonna **** on your answers." Reply Edit paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:10 AM can you just be very nice to me http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:28 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 can you just be very nice to me How about another question: Can you show respect for those who have taken the time and effort to answer you? Ain't no one-way streets here. You want nice, consider showing respect and not dissin' people that are willing to help out. Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:55 AM [#ditto] Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:56 PM Does anyone else think that it is amazing that this topic is up to page 5? Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 7:48 AM Hello I am just back from Texas & if I was you I would get my MSN word in full gear cause I saw the following. My 1st stop was Temple Tx & lo & behold the 1st thing I saw is a NSRR on the BNSFleading 4 other locos in a lite move somewhere. So when I got to the motel later I immediately checked the NSRR & found out that the NSRR does not serve Temple. Next stop was Austin & there I saw a NB UPRR train being lead by a NSRR loco with a UPRR loco as the trailer. Again when I got back to the motel I checked to see if the NSRR serves Austin & found it does not. Finally I stopped at Saginaw that is TX not Michigan & there on the BNSF I saw my 1st road railer trailer train guess what it was being led by a NSRR loco trailed by a UPRR loco on the BNSF! Again I checked & found out that the NSRR does not serve Saginaw TX. My recommendation to you is you should write immediate letters to the UPRR/BNSF/NSRR & find out what the heck is going on as to why they are operating NSRR locos. Later today check out the actual pix of what I wrote above under the Texas March 06 gallery at the bel;ow listed web site http://vgalleries.com/members/railfan1/The+Trainfan.vrg [:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 I AM NOT CAMPING OUTSIDE MY MAILBOX AND BY THE WAY I DO NOT HAVE A MAILBOX. ITS GETS DELIVERED TO MY DOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:40 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX Does anyone else think that it is amazing that this topic is up to page 5? Not as amazing as the fact that I'm still poping in here. It's kind of like watching clowns, they are so lame, yet you still watch them.[(-D] Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:58 AM okay i will show respect can we be friends? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:06 AM So after 6 pages, have you learned more about run through power and power owed and how to get along with masses of people? Kind of a tough world out there isn't it! But these people are only asking for a little respect and mind your manners. Think before you type. Play nice and they will play nice. Mookie She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:18 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 okay i will show respect can we be friends? I'm willing to give you a chance to redeem yourself. Just remember when someone takes the time to write a half page well thought out answer (as I did) don't **** all over it like we don't know jack.[;)] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:11 PM I'm with Mookie & Chad. [#ditto] Reply Edit StillGrande Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Alexandria, VA 847 posts Posted by StillGrande on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:16 PM Hey, there is a Rio Grande hopper in the Anacostia Yard (CSX Washington DC) that has CSX markings. Also saw, about 2 hours ago, a UP loco in a CSX consist, so that merger must have happened. And to think I thought CN and some outfit called HLCX had mergered and taken over CSX when that was all I saw on a set of autoracks last month. These mergers are happening so fast, you would think the railroads were loaning each other locomotives or something! Dewey "Facts are meaningless; you can use facts to prove anything that is even remotely true! Facts, schmacks!" - Homer Simpson "The problem is there are so many stupid people and nothing eats them." Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 7:14 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 can you just be very nice to me I can't say I believe you're a Junior. I'm a FRESHMAN in High School, and with 10+ respected forum members answering my question, who would want to investigateon their own? It's unlikely NS will even care to respond anyway. Sorry, thems the breaks. Reply Edit paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:13 AM that is okay and i enjoy everybodys responses http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 20, 2006 6:34 AM here an unusal sighting that i saw. i saw a conrail freight engine pulling a union pacfic freight engine heading towards valley forge and harrisburg. http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 20, 2006 8:25 AM So are you going to write to the UPRR & NSRR now & ask them what UPRR loocos are doing in Pennsylvania? [:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 here an unusal sighting that i saw. i saw a conrail freight engine pulling a union pacfic freight engine heading towards valley forge and harrisburg. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 20, 2006 9:14 AM i have to wait until i get my letter back from ns http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Monday, March 20, 2006 9:16 AM I laugh. Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 20, 2006 9:18 AM why http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 20, 2006 10:43 AM Because if NS was planning a merger quietly then they are not going to write you back saying yes we are merging with x railroad, even if the person you wrote is a friend. If they were not being quiet about it then the NS employees here would know about it, and the rest of the railfan community as well. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 20, 2006 12:29 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX Does anyone else think that it is amazing that this topic is up to page 5? Not as amazing as the fact that I'm still poping in here. It's kind of like watching clowns, they are so lame, yet you still watch them.[(-D] well here we are now up to page 6 with still no end in sight and i like the line about this post being like watching clowns--that is too funny and since nothing we seem to say to this paulstecyna person seems to sink in or stick, i am going to suggest he change his name to 'teflon' Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 20, 2006 2:29 PM I think Paul suffers from a very naive view of the business world, and thinks that: a. NS cares about him enough to respond, and b. They will tell the truth. How many times have we seen companies (and people, especially in Holywood) deny rumors, only to have them connfirmed at the last minute? [(-D] Reply Edit coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Monday, March 20, 2006 2:34 PM When exactly did power sharing come about? It seems like in photo's of the 70's, it wall all one railroad. Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 6:14 AM i will give it until the end of this month http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply wabash1 Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 2,849 posts Posted by wabash1 on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:11 AM paul your right the union pacific and bnsf are trying to buy out the ns and the csx railroads . they wont tell you up front and it is against company policy to say anything. with in 5 years there will be only one railroad running coast to coast made of 2 railroads the bn and the up. they will keep the markings of their home frieght line but will run under a new name. also in breaking news the congress has passed a bill to run amtrak nationally and there is a 2.5billion dollar grant to lay high speed rail from L.A. callifornia to hawaii. it will be cheaper to take the train instead of flying and to keep cost down they will be using mexican labor. it will be all electric and with work ongoing 24 hrs aday the job should be done in 3 years. dont tell anyone this is top secreate Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:59 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 all right i will acept what everybody has said but i like to do my own investigating my self that is why i sent the letter to the company. Well, to all of you doubters. I sent my own letter to the NS and they said that they weren't gonna answer Paul's letter until the 32nd of March. Here's what they told me. There is NO Merger planned with any other Rail company....NONE! What they did say is that they were planning on merging with Tyco and Mattel. The merger will result in entirely new train consists. The new NS Tyco trains will all feature "real locomotive sounds," whistles and bells and real smoke coming out of the exhaust stack. The new trains will be powered by 1,000 AA batteries and have cabbage patch kids at the throttle. The new paint scheme will resemble the old NS scheme withthe addition of a big happy clown face on the front of every motor. There will be a sweepstake to be an engineer for the day. The official game pieces will be in specially marked boxes of sugarsmacks cereal, many will enter, few will win......good luck. Reply Edit ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:34 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1 paul your right the union pacific and bnsf are trying to buy out the ns and the csx railroads . they wont tell you up front and it is against company policy to say anything. with in 5 years there will be only one railroad running coast to coast made of 2 railroads the bn and the up. they will keep the markings of their home frieght line but will run under a new name. also in breaking news the congress has passed a bill to run amtrak nationally and there is a 2.5billion dollar grant to lay high speed rail from L.A. callifornia to hawaii. it will be cheaper to take the train instead of flying and to keep cost down they will be using mexican labor. it will be all electric and with work ongoing 24 hrs aday the job should be done in 3 years. dont tell anyone this is top secreate BLABBERMOUTH!! Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:08 PM AS CEO of Norfolk Southern, Paul ,I will tell you that we have already taken over EVERY RAILROAD IN THE WORLD, but ya know, mums the word. Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply amtrakjackson Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: Michigan 87 posts Posted by amtrakjackson on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:29 PM The other day we had to pick up a Conrail-painted NS unit at Kalamazoo's Botsford Yard because our P42 died; we tied it on the front of the 28. I didn't want to say anything before, knowing how rumors get started... but we did it to show everyone out here that NS is buying Amtrak and then repainting all the equipment French Blue. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:11 AM thank you http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:24 PM Dude; How many clues do you need that people are laughing at you? QUOTE: The other day we had to pick up a Conrail-painted NS unit at Kalamazoo's Botsford Yard because our P42 died; we tied it on the front of the 28. I didn't want to say anything before, knowing how rumors get started... but we did it to show everyone out here that NS is buying Amtrak and then repainting all the equipment French Blue. QUOTE: AS CEO of Norfolk Southern, Paul ,I will tell you that we have already taken over EVERY RAILROAD IN THE WORLD, but ya know, mums the word. QUOTE: paul your right the union pacific and bnsf are trying to buy out the ns and the csx railroads . they wont tell you up front and it is against company policy to say anything. with in 5 years there will be only one railroad running coast to coast made of 2 railroads the bn and the up. they will keep the markings of their home frieght line but will run under a new name. also in breaking news the congress has passed a bill to run amtrak nationally and there is a 2.5billion dollar grant to lay high speed rail from L.A. callifornia to hawaii. it will be cheaper to take the train instead of flying and to keep cost down they will be using mexican labor. it will be all electric and with work ongoing 24 hrs aday the job should be done in 3 years. dont tell anyone this is top secreate And I especially liked this one, saying you would be sent a response on the 32nd of March: QUOTE: Well, to all of you doubters. I sent my own letter to the NS and they said that they weren't gonna answer Paul's letter until the 32nd of March. Here's what they told me. There is NO Merger planned with any other Rail company....NONE! What they did say is that they were planning on merging with Tyco and Mattel. The merger will result in entirely new train consists. The new NS Tyco trains will all feature "real locomotive sounds," whistles and bells and real smoke coming out of the exhaust stack. The new trains will be powered by 1,000 AA batteries and have cabbage patch kids at the throttle. The new paint scheme will resemble the old NS scheme withthe addition of a big happy clown face on the front of every motor. There will be a sweepstake to be an engineer for the day. The official game pieces will be in specially marked boxes of sugarsmacks cereal, many will enter, few will win......good luck. Some of this stuff is so farfetched it will never happen. You are being seriously mocked with these ridiculous stories, and you seem to be the only one that doesn't get it. I mentioned earlier that I thought you were naive. If you don't understand the term, let me translate it for you: Naive = Clueless. And yes, the members of this board are continuing to laugh at you because you are so clueless. I know, these are harsh words. But as Mookie mentioned earlier, this is a tough world. And by continuing to tell us you're still waiting for a response from NS, you're just telling us again how naive (or clueless) you are. James QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 thank you Reply Edit coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:31 PM You have 22 posts on this thread that does not insinuate your a junior. You seem younger than me..... Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:07 AM i am 17 years old and was born in 1988 http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:38 PM Interesting...so did the letter come yet.....*walks away* *looks back* *bursts out laughing* I would give it up pal... Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:57 PM I'm wondering how many times he's going to push back his timeframe. [(-D] 3/1: "i should get a response this weekend." 3/6: "i will find out the results some time this week" 3/21: "i will give it until the end of this month" What happens when April 1st rolls around, and he still hasn't heard back? Or May 1st? Will he be telling us in July that he should get a response in another week or two? [sigh] Reply Edit cpbloom Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Still on the other side of the tracks. 397 posts Posted by cpbloom on Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:13 PM The more I read this topic the more I begin to wonder who the real fools are here. It sounds to me like he is just leading you all along to see how long you will play this game of "respond to my ridiculous posts". Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 24, 2006 6:07 AM that is not true http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, March 24, 2006 6:52 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom The more I read this topic the more I begin to wonder who the real fools are here. It sounds to me like he is just leading you all along to see how long you will play this game of "respond to my ridiculous posts". Took the words right out of my head! She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 24, 2006 7:17 AM you know i am only a junior in high school and i have a lot on my mind so why do you try to degrade me? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 24, 2006 9:29 AM Paul; I hate to tell you, but you're the one that set the ground rules for this particular game, and whining won't help. You pissed on our answers, and even now you're telling us you're still waiting for a response from NS. And you keep moving the deadline for the response, dragging this thing out. There are other members of this board that are the same age as your, or even younger, that aren't clueless like you seem to be. Some of them have even let you know what they thought of your posts in this thread. So using your age as an excuse doesn't wash. As for "i have a lot on my mind," if you don't have enough respect for us to pay attention, why are you wasting our time? You're not helping your reputation here, you know - you're just showing, once again, how disrespectfull and clueless you are. Shalom, James Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 24, 2006 9:58 AM [#ditto] Well said James. Reply cpbloom Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Still on the other side of the tracks. 397 posts Posted by cpbloom on Friday, March 24, 2006 10:22 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 that is not true If that is not true then I apologize BUT the fact that your question was answered on the first page and we're still talking about it leads me to think you are [:o)] around. Again if that is not true then I apologize. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:25 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas [#ditto] Well said James. Thank you. I feel like I'm [banghead] with this guy, but I had to give it one last shot. And the worst thing is, I don't think this guy has a clue how insulting some of his posts are. [sigh] Hopefully he'll listen this time, but I certainly wouldn't want to bet the farm on it. [2c] Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:42 AM Me thinks you right.[;)] Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:52 AM Personally I think he is having fun PPing on people older then him. JMHO though Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:57 AM Then you two trolls should get along great with eachother.[#dots] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 24, 2006 12:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Personally I think he is having fun PPing on people older then him. JMHO though Could be. But I had to give him one last chance, giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he's telling the truth. After this, though, I'm through. Whether it's deliberate or just because he's clueless, either way, I've hit the point of no return. If he doesn't figure it out this time, he's on his own. I'm through with [banghead]. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 24, 2006 2:36 PM If you really want some answers, there are three things you can do: 1.) Listen to everyone here. 2.) Look in to the past 3.) Look at the NYSE and STB Why? 1.) Mostly everyone in here either a.) works for the railroad or b.) knows these rails by heart. I can tell you what trians to expect on the W line on the Norfolk Southern. I live and breath around Huntingburg, IN, so of course, I should know what to expect. One day while railfanning, caught nothing but UP SD70M's in Southern Indiana of all places! 2.) Right now, all the Class I's are paying off their merger consumptions from the mid 80's on up. Union Pacific should be automatically counted out of the race for merging anytime in the near future, since it is paying off CNW, SP and possibly the Katy. BNSF is still paying off for ATSF, NS and CSX are still paying off Conrail and CN for IC. The only merger right now would be for CP to merge up with someone. However, that is doubtful seeing how they are doing a bad job with service (they are in the process of selling off the Latta Sub to INRD). Railroads are businesses, they thrive on booming economies and they need to survive. SP and UP merged to threats by BN and SF. CSX entered the takeover for CR due to NS. BNSF and CN were going to merge in reaction to the UP+SP combo but that failed. 3.) Right now if you look at the NYSE, you will see that stocks for railroads are pretty lofty (NS is at $54, CSX is at 59, CN at 47, CP is 49, UP is 92, BNSF is 80) which translates to if a western railroad and an eastern railroad wanted to merge, it would be bloody expensive! And let's not think about western railraods (Sherman Anti-Trust Act ring a bell?) Let's say you want to buy out 50% of the outstanding stock at NS and it was at 100,000,000, okay, first you would have to agree to pay it at an inflated rate. Something that is higher so that the investors will accept the merger and see that it will make them money. Remember many investors are in the stock business to make money, like businesses. So let's say for a moment that BSNF wants to merge with NS, that means BNSF will buy 50,000,000 shares outstanding, not including shares outstanding they need to buy in order to get a foothold. But, they will need to pass through the STB and NYSE first to make sure this is a legit deal. Now let's say they offer roughly $60 a share for NS stock which is a deal to some, that would mean BNSF would pay out 300,000,000! but in all actuality, NS's outstanding stock is 412,237,000! So do you see the issue with merging right now? It's not just unreasonable and a fantasy, you wont make a profitable enough return to make it feasable. Reply Edit coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Friday, March 24, 2006 3:44 PM CN paying IC, WC, GLTX (includes DMIR,BLE,PCDC, and others) Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 27, 2006 4:30 PM alright we will leave it at that and lets get back to train talk. at 4:15pm i saw a ns freight with these engines ns, up, and ns of a mixed train. http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 1:50 PM at 6:00am this morning i saw a ns freight with these engines ns, up, ns is it what most of you said? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:11 PM Can you hear me now? QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Or it could be paying back or accumulating "horse power hours" Run through agreements are typicaly between "city pairs" on a particular route that goes through two or more railroads territory (tracks). Units accumulating or paying back horsepower hours can show up anywhere in any service as the power desk sees fit. Railroads, especially the class ones, are always borrowing power from eachother. The way they keep things even is called "horse power hours". For instance lets say UP borrows a NS SD40-2, An SD40-2 is 3000hp and will be counted as 3000 horse power hours for every hour it spends on UP. If it's there for a day the UP would owe NS 72,000 HP hours. Now say somewhere else NS has borrowed a UP AC6000 for a day. Sience the AC6000 is 6000 hp it will accumulate 144,000 hours in the same time. So now there is a debt owed to NS of 72,000 hp hours. Each railroad keeps track of the balance between them and each one of the other railroads and if the balance gets to be too much, the oweing railroad will send some units to the owed railroad to balance things out. They usually use there own power for this but they could also lease units from a leasor or another railroad to pay back hp hours owed. They could send the owed railroad a whole bunch of units to pay off there debt quickly or more economicaly they send a few units to the owed railroad and it takes a lot longer. In that case a foreign unit might be roaming around the owed railroads property for a while and could end up in the farthest corners of there system. They are typicaly treated as if they were there own units and would assign them as they would any other power (though sometime the power desks will keep them in a certain geographic area or service) Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:26 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 at 6:00am this morning i saw a ns freight with these engines ns, up, ns is it what most of you said? I have seen Canadian National mixed in with BNSF right here in the heart of the midlands. I have a whole list of CSX, NS, CN, UP, KCS, MRL, FURX - the list goes on - that have gone through here. Can't get any more vanilla than that, so if you are still beating this dead horse, then we will have to call out the troll patrol. Mook! She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:16 AM yeah you are right http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by paulstecyna21 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 2, 2006 7:47 AM Bump. So did you have time to look up that web site I sent U yesterday & your comments if U did [?][?] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 keep me informed because this is very interesting Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 2, 2006 10:02 AM neat and you were right on what you said http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 2, 2006 10:29 AM Yes thanks & hope that also answered your question [:o)] Originally posted by paulstecyna21 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 3, 2006 6:12 AM thank you but i am going to find out more from the company http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 3, 2006 9:25 AM All I can say to this post is good luck [:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 thank you but i am going to find out more from the company Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 3, 2006 9:51 AM you are a nice person http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 3, 2006 12:20 PM I will shortly be in Texas & I will guess I will see NSRR locos there as well. Thanks for the kudo also[:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 you are a nice person Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 3, 2006 11:17 PM My house backs up to the UP right of way in central California, in an area where BNSF also has trackage rights, and I see as many BNSF trains as I do UP. I see NS units on just about every other train, and it doesn't matter if the train is BNSF or UP. I also see CSX units regularly and KCS units occasionally, again on both BNSF and UP trains. I also see CN, CP and MRL units once in a while, although they are seen primarily on BNSF trains. If the trains behind my house are any any indication, we must looking at a 3-way merger between BNSF, UP & NS. [;)] James Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 4, 2006 3:49 AM Hey..is Conrail merging with Union Pacific? More evidence of a NS and UP merger: Oh maybe a NS and BNSF merger: Maybe UP and Conrail are merging with CSX: I sure am confused! ****Joking![:p] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 4, 2006 11:15 AM 1st there is no stupid question & the reason it comes up often is because to someone just starting to railfan it is unusual to see mixed equipment run together. think of the last time you saw a trucking company haul somebody elses trailer such as a schneider cab hauling a millis trailer/doesnt happen. it seems odd that fierce competitors would enter into agrements to help each other. I myself am new to the hobby & asked same question nly last week & made several new & friendly contacts who gave me great info(they didnt bother to ask why I raised the question). -2ndly Ive been seeing an old RIO-Grande engine near pittsburgh on NS tracks / looks likeSD45. who decides what to "loan out"? seems like a SD45 is not comparble to loaning UP a newr engine? Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 4, 2006 2:39 PM Seand; I agree; there are no stupid questions, especially from newbies. But when 6 guys answer the question, and the response is; "i will contact the company and find out more," I can see why the response would be something on the order of; "Then why did you bother to ask the question in the first place, if all you're going to do is tell us you don't believe us and imply we're lying to you?" Which is about what came down in this thread. I'm not exactly a regular on this board, but I've spent enough time posting on various boards to know what a flagrant violation of netiquete that is. Shalom, James Reply Edit mackb4 Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: My Old Kentucky Home 599 posts Posted by mackb4 on Monday, March 6, 2006 12:40 AM I work for the NS and have not heard a new rumor about any merger in a while.With the price of NS's stock going up the way it is,it will be a task for anyone to try and takeover or merge.The only talk I have heard is the increase in coal and intermodal that's on the horizin.After the NS completes it's tunnel projects we will surely look more valuable in a merger or a shared assets agreement.But there is to much to read into seeing railroads sharing power.They get sometype of tax break doing this.I had an almost brand new BNSF engine on a time freight last trip.And seen plenty of UP's on other trains.What's odd is I hardly ever see a CSX engine on one of our trains.Maybe people see them on NS train's elsewhere ? [2c] Collin ,operator of the " Eastern Kentucky & Ohio R.R." Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 6, 2006 7:20 AM Sure see them all the ime out west mostly on the UPRR. Look up my web site then the gallery California Nov 05 then look thru the Daggett pix & you will find a "K" line double stack train with a CSX in the consist [:p] Originally posted by mackb4 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 6, 2006 7:22 AM Especially when he was given visual evidence of a NSRR in a BNSF consist doing 70MPH @ Daggett California [:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by James_the_Mad Seand; I agree; there are no stupid questions, especially from newbies. But when 6 guys answer the question, and the response is; "i will contact the company and find out more," I can see why the response would be something on the order of; "Then why did you bother to ask the question in the first place, if all you're going to do is tell us you don't believe us and imply we're lying to you?" Which is about what came down in this thread. I'm not exactly a regular on this board, but I've spent enough time posting on various boards to know what a flagrant violation of netiquete that is. Shalom, James Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 6, 2006 10:09 AM i will find out the results some time this week http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 6, 2006 10:20 AM [(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D] Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 6, 2006 10:24 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will find out the results some time this week If you don't listen to what we have to say, why should we care what you have to say? I tried to advise you against it, but you are well on your way to being labled a troll like spbed.[:(] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 6, 2006 4:44 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will find out the results some time this week [X-)] [D)] Oy vey! James [banghead] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 6, 2006 6:54 PM While neither a frequent visitor to this site, nor do I have the time to railfan as much as I once did, on the times I have been out to watch or photograph I have consistently seen both NS and CSX power mixed in with BNSF / ATSF / BN power in the Twin Cities. Although I do see plenty of UP power as well, there is a much less likely chance of seeing mixed power with UP at least in this region. There really is no dumb question, and the "netiquette" on this site is somewhere between laid back and barely tolerant from my experience. As a friend of mine in Chicago once said: "Get over it."[:D][;)] Reply Edit paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, March 7, 2006 6:15 AM keep me updated http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 9, 2006 6:04 AM are cabose still used on freight trains? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:00 AM Me thinks you people are being led down the garden path.... She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:11 AM ZMe thinks you are correct after the caboose post. [:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie Me thinks you people are being led down the garden path.... Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply wabash1 Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 2,849 posts Posted by wabash1 on Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:24 AM yes we still use cabooses they are some what smaller than the ones in the past and more modern and lots of electronics in them now. we can operate with out them but its easier to use them. and we dont just use our own we use what ever is avalible and stick them to the rear. jest as long as its a caboose is all we care. Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Thursday, March 9, 2006 12:01 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1 yes we still use cabooses they are some what smaller than the ones in the past and more modern and lots of electronics in them now. we can operate with out them but its easier to use them. and we dont just use our own we use what ever is avalible and stick them to the rear. jest as long as its a caboose is all we care. True, how true, and we especially like it when it links up to the rest of the train.[8D] The primary use of a caboose in todays' world is as a shoving platform when a crew is going to make a long shove somewhere, almost always yard jobs and locals, never through freight. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 10, 2006 6:02 AM well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Friday, March 10, 2006 7:41 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it I hope you're not camping out by your mailbox waiting on it. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 10, 2006 9:33 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it Gee, There is a big suprise. Reply CNW 6000 Member sinceDecember 2005 From: MP 175.1 CN Neenah Sub 4,917 posts Posted by CNW 6000 on Friday, March 10, 2006 10:32 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Or it could be paying back or accumulating "horse power hours" Run through agreements are typicaly between "city pairs" on a particular route that goes through two or more railroads territory (tracks). Units accumulating or paying back horsepower hours can show up anywhere in any service as the power desk sees fit. Railroads, especially the class ones, are always borrowing power from eachother. The way they keep things even is called "horse power hours". For instance lets say UP borrows a NS SD40-2, An SD40-2 is 3000hp and will be counted as 3000 horse power hours for every hour it spends on UP. If it's there for a day the UP would owe NS 72,000 HP hours. Now say somewhere else NS has borrowed a UP AC6000 for a day. Sience the AC6000 is 6000 hp it will accumulate 144,000 hours in the same time. So now there is a debt owed to NS of 72,000 hp hours. Each railroad keeps track of the balance between them and each one of the other railroads and if the balance gets to be too much, the oweing railroad will send some units to the owed railroad to balance things out. They usually use there own power for this but they could also lease units from a leasor or another railroad to pay back hp hours owed. They could send the owed railroad a whole bunch of units to pay off there debt quickly or more economicaly they send a few units to the owed railroad and it takes a lot longer. In that case a foreign unit might be roaming around the owed railroads property for a while and could end up in the farthest corners of there system. They are typicaly treated as if they were there own units and would assign them as they would any other power (though sometime the power desks will keep them in a certain geographic area or service) Holy what a good explanation. Thanks! Dan Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 10, 2006 11:59 AM No problem. You're welcome. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 10, 2006 2:04 PM I AM NOT CAMPING OUTSIDE MY MAILBOX AND BY THE WAY I DO NOT HAVE A MAILBOX. ITS GETS DELIVERED TO MY DOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 10, 2006 4:40 PM Junior is getting upset because we're making fun of him for calling us a bunch of liars, and for not accepting explanations from what, about 10 people now? Maybe mommy needs to take junior's computer away from him before he works himself into a stroke, or maybe a heart attack. [:O] [xx(] [:I] Added note - I just went back and counted. Thirteen people have stated this is due to power sharing or through power arrangements. Seven more are laughing at junior for his presumption, and for challenging the answer because we didn't tell him what he expected to hear. And another four, while not explicitely stating as much, have acknowledged the basic premise that this is basically about power sharing. So what's the definition of a troll? Perhaps arguing with 2 dozen members of the board would qualify? [;)] [(-D] Reply Edit Gluefinger Member sinceJuly 2002 484 posts Posted by Gluefinger on Friday, March 10, 2006 5:41 PM Sigh, the next generation of railfans....oh wait! Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 13, 2006 6:07 AM if there is one thing i have got to say it is that i am still in high school and i am junior, not only that but i do not know most of these things that you talk about since i am in 11th grade in high school. Is this fine with everybody? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 13, 2006 9:28 AM If you were willing to listen, that would be fine. But when you insist on implying that we're a bunch of lying morons, that is not acceptable. Do you challenge your teachers, questioning every lesson? Do you question everything your friends tell you? And if not, then why do you think such behavior would be acceptable here? Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 13, 2006 9:48 AM Paul, It's not your age it's your attitude. There are several well respected members of this forum that are your age and younger. Reply David_Telesha Member sinceNovember 2005 From: NYNH&H Norwich & Worcester MP21.7 774 posts Posted by David_Telesha on Monday, March 13, 2006 10:09 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 if there is one thing i have got to say it is that i am still in high school and i am junior, not only that but i do not know most of these things that you talk about since i am in 11th grade in high school. Is this fine with everybody? Whats your point? I'm 16 and am a Junior. You're question answered by many people (myself included)... David Telesha New Haven Railroad - www.NHRHTA.org Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 13, 2006 1:42 PM all right i will acept what everybody has said but i like to do my own investigating my self that is why i sent the letter to the company. http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Monday, March 13, 2006 2:19 PM Don't squash an independent spirit! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 13, 2006 2:25 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by daveklepper Don't squash an independent spirit! Nice thought, but I'd be happier if he wasn't talking out of both sides of his mouth, in affect saying: "Okay, I accept what I've been told, but I'm still gonna **** on your answers." Reply Edit paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:10 AM can you just be very nice to me http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:28 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 can you just be very nice to me How about another question: Can you show respect for those who have taken the time and effort to answer you? Ain't no one-way streets here. You want nice, consider showing respect and not dissin' people that are willing to help out. Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:55 AM [#ditto] Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:56 PM Does anyone else think that it is amazing that this topic is up to page 5? Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 7:48 AM Hello I am just back from Texas & if I was you I would get my MSN word in full gear cause I saw the following. My 1st stop was Temple Tx & lo & behold the 1st thing I saw is a NSRR on the BNSFleading 4 other locos in a lite move somewhere. So when I got to the motel later I immediately checked the NSRR & found out that the NSRR does not serve Temple. Next stop was Austin & there I saw a NB UPRR train being lead by a NSRR loco with a UPRR loco as the trailer. Again when I got back to the motel I checked to see if the NSRR serves Austin & found it does not. Finally I stopped at Saginaw that is TX not Michigan & there on the BNSF I saw my 1st road railer trailer train guess what it was being led by a NSRR loco trailed by a UPRR loco on the BNSF! Again I checked & found out that the NSRR does not serve Saginaw TX. My recommendation to you is you should write immediate letters to the UPRR/BNSF/NSRR & find out what the heck is going on as to why they are operating NSRR locos. Later today check out the actual pix of what I wrote above under the Texas March 06 gallery at the bel;ow listed web site http://vgalleries.com/members/railfan1/The+Trainfan.vrg [:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 I AM NOT CAMPING OUTSIDE MY MAILBOX AND BY THE WAY I DO NOT HAVE A MAILBOX. ITS GETS DELIVERED TO MY DOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:40 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX Does anyone else think that it is amazing that this topic is up to page 5? Not as amazing as the fact that I'm still poping in here. It's kind of like watching clowns, they are so lame, yet you still watch them.[(-D] Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:58 AM okay i will show respect can we be friends? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:06 AM So after 6 pages, have you learned more about run through power and power owed and how to get along with masses of people? Kind of a tough world out there isn't it! But these people are only asking for a little respect and mind your manners. Think before you type. Play nice and they will play nice. Mookie She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:18 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 okay i will show respect can we be friends? I'm willing to give you a chance to redeem yourself. Just remember when someone takes the time to write a half page well thought out answer (as I did) don't **** all over it like we don't know jack.[;)] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:11 PM I'm with Mookie & Chad. [#ditto] Reply Edit StillGrande Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Alexandria, VA 847 posts Posted by StillGrande on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:16 PM Hey, there is a Rio Grande hopper in the Anacostia Yard (CSX Washington DC) that has CSX markings. Also saw, about 2 hours ago, a UP loco in a CSX consist, so that merger must have happened. And to think I thought CN and some outfit called HLCX had mergered and taken over CSX when that was all I saw on a set of autoracks last month. These mergers are happening so fast, you would think the railroads were loaning each other locomotives or something! Dewey "Facts are meaningless; you can use facts to prove anything that is even remotely true! Facts, schmacks!" - Homer Simpson "The problem is there are so many stupid people and nothing eats them." Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 7:14 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 can you just be very nice to me I can't say I believe you're a Junior. I'm a FRESHMAN in High School, and with 10+ respected forum members answering my question, who would want to investigateon their own? It's unlikely NS will even care to respond anyway. Sorry, thems the breaks. Reply Edit paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:13 AM that is okay and i enjoy everybodys responses http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 20, 2006 6:34 AM here an unusal sighting that i saw. i saw a conrail freight engine pulling a union pacfic freight engine heading towards valley forge and harrisburg. http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 20, 2006 8:25 AM So are you going to write to the UPRR & NSRR now & ask them what UPRR loocos are doing in Pennsylvania? [:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 here an unusal sighting that i saw. i saw a conrail freight engine pulling a union pacfic freight engine heading towards valley forge and harrisburg. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 20, 2006 9:14 AM i have to wait until i get my letter back from ns http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Monday, March 20, 2006 9:16 AM I laugh. Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 20, 2006 9:18 AM why http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 20, 2006 10:43 AM Because if NS was planning a merger quietly then they are not going to write you back saying yes we are merging with x railroad, even if the person you wrote is a friend. If they were not being quiet about it then the NS employees here would know about it, and the rest of the railfan community as well. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 20, 2006 12:29 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX Does anyone else think that it is amazing that this topic is up to page 5? Not as amazing as the fact that I'm still poping in here. It's kind of like watching clowns, they are so lame, yet you still watch them.[(-D] well here we are now up to page 6 with still no end in sight and i like the line about this post being like watching clowns--that is too funny and since nothing we seem to say to this paulstecyna person seems to sink in or stick, i am going to suggest he change his name to 'teflon' Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 20, 2006 2:29 PM I think Paul suffers from a very naive view of the business world, and thinks that: a. NS cares about him enough to respond, and b. They will tell the truth. How many times have we seen companies (and people, especially in Holywood) deny rumors, only to have them connfirmed at the last minute? [(-D] Reply Edit coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Monday, March 20, 2006 2:34 PM When exactly did power sharing come about? It seems like in photo's of the 70's, it wall all one railroad. Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 6:14 AM i will give it until the end of this month http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply wabash1 Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 2,849 posts Posted by wabash1 on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:11 AM paul your right the union pacific and bnsf are trying to buy out the ns and the csx railroads . they wont tell you up front and it is against company policy to say anything. with in 5 years there will be only one railroad running coast to coast made of 2 railroads the bn and the up. they will keep the markings of their home frieght line but will run under a new name. also in breaking news the congress has passed a bill to run amtrak nationally and there is a 2.5billion dollar grant to lay high speed rail from L.A. callifornia to hawaii. it will be cheaper to take the train instead of flying and to keep cost down they will be using mexican labor. it will be all electric and with work ongoing 24 hrs aday the job should be done in 3 years. dont tell anyone this is top secreate Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:59 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 all right i will acept what everybody has said but i like to do my own investigating my self that is why i sent the letter to the company. Well, to all of you doubters. I sent my own letter to the NS and they said that they weren't gonna answer Paul's letter until the 32nd of March. Here's what they told me. There is NO Merger planned with any other Rail company....NONE! What they did say is that they were planning on merging with Tyco and Mattel. The merger will result in entirely new train consists. The new NS Tyco trains will all feature "real locomotive sounds," whistles and bells and real smoke coming out of the exhaust stack. The new trains will be powered by 1,000 AA batteries and have cabbage patch kids at the throttle. The new paint scheme will resemble the old NS scheme withthe addition of a big happy clown face on the front of every motor. There will be a sweepstake to be an engineer for the day. The official game pieces will be in specially marked boxes of sugarsmacks cereal, many will enter, few will win......good luck. Reply Edit ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:34 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1 paul your right the union pacific and bnsf are trying to buy out the ns and the csx railroads . they wont tell you up front and it is against company policy to say anything. with in 5 years there will be only one railroad running coast to coast made of 2 railroads the bn and the up. they will keep the markings of their home frieght line but will run under a new name. also in breaking news the congress has passed a bill to run amtrak nationally and there is a 2.5billion dollar grant to lay high speed rail from L.A. callifornia to hawaii. it will be cheaper to take the train instead of flying and to keep cost down they will be using mexican labor. it will be all electric and with work ongoing 24 hrs aday the job should be done in 3 years. dont tell anyone this is top secreate BLABBERMOUTH!! Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:08 PM AS CEO of Norfolk Southern, Paul ,I will tell you that we have already taken over EVERY RAILROAD IN THE WORLD, but ya know, mums the word. Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply amtrakjackson Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: Michigan 87 posts Posted by amtrakjackson on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:29 PM The other day we had to pick up a Conrail-painted NS unit at Kalamazoo's Botsford Yard because our P42 died; we tied it on the front of the 28. I didn't want to say anything before, knowing how rumors get started... but we did it to show everyone out here that NS is buying Amtrak and then repainting all the equipment French Blue. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:11 AM thank you http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:24 PM Dude; How many clues do you need that people are laughing at you? QUOTE: The other day we had to pick up a Conrail-painted NS unit at Kalamazoo's Botsford Yard because our P42 died; we tied it on the front of the 28. I didn't want to say anything before, knowing how rumors get started... but we did it to show everyone out here that NS is buying Amtrak and then repainting all the equipment French Blue. QUOTE: AS CEO of Norfolk Southern, Paul ,I will tell you that we have already taken over EVERY RAILROAD IN THE WORLD, but ya know, mums the word. QUOTE: paul your right the union pacific and bnsf are trying to buy out the ns and the csx railroads . they wont tell you up front and it is against company policy to say anything. with in 5 years there will be only one railroad running coast to coast made of 2 railroads the bn and the up. they will keep the markings of their home frieght line but will run under a new name. also in breaking news the congress has passed a bill to run amtrak nationally and there is a 2.5billion dollar grant to lay high speed rail from L.A. callifornia to hawaii. it will be cheaper to take the train instead of flying and to keep cost down they will be using mexican labor. it will be all electric and with work ongoing 24 hrs aday the job should be done in 3 years. dont tell anyone this is top secreate And I especially liked this one, saying you would be sent a response on the 32nd of March: QUOTE: Well, to all of you doubters. I sent my own letter to the NS and they said that they weren't gonna answer Paul's letter until the 32nd of March. Here's what they told me. There is NO Merger planned with any other Rail company....NONE! What they did say is that they were planning on merging with Tyco and Mattel. The merger will result in entirely new train consists. The new NS Tyco trains will all feature "real locomotive sounds," whistles and bells and real smoke coming out of the exhaust stack. The new trains will be powered by 1,000 AA batteries and have cabbage patch kids at the throttle. The new paint scheme will resemble the old NS scheme withthe addition of a big happy clown face on the front of every motor. There will be a sweepstake to be an engineer for the day. The official game pieces will be in specially marked boxes of sugarsmacks cereal, many will enter, few will win......good luck. Some of this stuff is so farfetched it will never happen. You are being seriously mocked with these ridiculous stories, and you seem to be the only one that doesn't get it. I mentioned earlier that I thought you were naive. If you don't understand the term, let me translate it for you: Naive = Clueless. And yes, the members of this board are continuing to laugh at you because you are so clueless. I know, these are harsh words. But as Mookie mentioned earlier, this is a tough world. And by continuing to tell us you're still waiting for a response from NS, you're just telling us again how naive (or clueless) you are. James QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 thank you Reply Edit coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:31 PM You have 22 posts on this thread that does not insinuate your a junior. You seem younger than me..... Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:07 AM i am 17 years old and was born in 1988 http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:38 PM Interesting...so did the letter come yet.....*walks away* *looks back* *bursts out laughing* I would give it up pal... Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:57 PM I'm wondering how many times he's going to push back his timeframe. [(-D] 3/1: "i should get a response this weekend." 3/6: "i will find out the results some time this week" 3/21: "i will give it until the end of this month" What happens when April 1st rolls around, and he still hasn't heard back? Or May 1st? Will he be telling us in July that he should get a response in another week or two? [sigh] Reply Edit cpbloom Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Still on the other side of the tracks. 397 posts Posted by cpbloom on Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:13 PM The more I read this topic the more I begin to wonder who the real fools are here. It sounds to me like he is just leading you all along to see how long you will play this game of "respond to my ridiculous posts". Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 24, 2006 6:07 AM that is not true http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, March 24, 2006 6:52 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom The more I read this topic the more I begin to wonder who the real fools are here. It sounds to me like he is just leading you all along to see how long you will play this game of "respond to my ridiculous posts". Took the words right out of my head! She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 24, 2006 7:17 AM you know i am only a junior in high school and i have a lot on my mind so why do you try to degrade me? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 24, 2006 9:29 AM Paul; I hate to tell you, but you're the one that set the ground rules for this particular game, and whining won't help. You pissed on our answers, and even now you're telling us you're still waiting for a response from NS. And you keep moving the deadline for the response, dragging this thing out. There are other members of this board that are the same age as your, or even younger, that aren't clueless like you seem to be. Some of them have even let you know what they thought of your posts in this thread. So using your age as an excuse doesn't wash. As for "i have a lot on my mind," if you don't have enough respect for us to pay attention, why are you wasting our time? You're not helping your reputation here, you know - you're just showing, once again, how disrespectfull and clueless you are. Shalom, James Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 24, 2006 9:58 AM [#ditto] Well said James. Reply cpbloom Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Still on the other side of the tracks. 397 posts Posted by cpbloom on Friday, March 24, 2006 10:22 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 that is not true If that is not true then I apologize BUT the fact that your question was answered on the first page and we're still talking about it leads me to think you are [:o)] around. Again if that is not true then I apologize. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:25 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas [#ditto] Well said James. Thank you. I feel like I'm [banghead] with this guy, but I had to give it one last shot. And the worst thing is, I don't think this guy has a clue how insulting some of his posts are. [sigh] Hopefully he'll listen this time, but I certainly wouldn't want to bet the farm on it. [2c] Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:42 AM Me thinks you right.[;)] Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:52 AM Personally I think he is having fun PPing on people older then him. JMHO though Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:57 AM Then you two trolls should get along great with eachother.[#dots] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 24, 2006 12:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Personally I think he is having fun PPing on people older then him. JMHO though Could be. But I had to give him one last chance, giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he's telling the truth. After this, though, I'm through. Whether it's deliberate or just because he's clueless, either way, I've hit the point of no return. If he doesn't figure it out this time, he's on his own. I'm through with [banghead]. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 24, 2006 2:36 PM If you really want some answers, there are three things you can do: 1.) Listen to everyone here. 2.) Look in to the past 3.) Look at the NYSE and STB Why? 1.) Mostly everyone in here either a.) works for the railroad or b.) knows these rails by heart. I can tell you what trians to expect on the W line on the Norfolk Southern. I live and breath around Huntingburg, IN, so of course, I should know what to expect. One day while railfanning, caught nothing but UP SD70M's in Southern Indiana of all places! 2.) Right now, all the Class I's are paying off their merger consumptions from the mid 80's on up. Union Pacific should be automatically counted out of the race for merging anytime in the near future, since it is paying off CNW, SP and possibly the Katy. BNSF is still paying off for ATSF, NS and CSX are still paying off Conrail and CN for IC. The only merger right now would be for CP to merge up with someone. However, that is doubtful seeing how they are doing a bad job with service (they are in the process of selling off the Latta Sub to INRD). Railroads are businesses, they thrive on booming economies and they need to survive. SP and UP merged to threats by BN and SF. CSX entered the takeover for CR due to NS. BNSF and CN were going to merge in reaction to the UP+SP combo but that failed. 3.) Right now if you look at the NYSE, you will see that stocks for railroads are pretty lofty (NS is at $54, CSX is at 59, CN at 47, CP is 49, UP is 92, BNSF is 80) which translates to if a western railroad and an eastern railroad wanted to merge, it would be bloody expensive! And let's not think about western railraods (Sherman Anti-Trust Act ring a bell?) Let's say you want to buy out 50% of the outstanding stock at NS and it was at 100,000,000, okay, first you would have to agree to pay it at an inflated rate. Something that is higher so that the investors will accept the merger and see that it will make them money. Remember many investors are in the stock business to make money, like businesses. So let's say for a moment that BSNF wants to merge with NS, that means BNSF will buy 50,000,000 shares outstanding, not including shares outstanding they need to buy in order to get a foothold. But, they will need to pass through the STB and NYSE first to make sure this is a legit deal. Now let's say they offer roughly $60 a share for NS stock which is a deal to some, that would mean BNSF would pay out 300,000,000! but in all actuality, NS's outstanding stock is 412,237,000! So do you see the issue with merging right now? It's not just unreasonable and a fantasy, you wont make a profitable enough return to make it feasable. Reply Edit coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Friday, March 24, 2006 3:44 PM CN paying IC, WC, GLTX (includes DMIR,BLE,PCDC, and others) Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 27, 2006 4:30 PM alright we will leave it at that and lets get back to train talk. at 4:15pm i saw a ns freight with these engines ns, up, and ns of a mixed train. http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 1:50 PM at 6:00am this morning i saw a ns freight with these engines ns, up, ns is it what most of you said? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:11 PM Can you hear me now? QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Or it could be paying back or accumulating "horse power hours" Run through agreements are typicaly between "city pairs" on a particular route that goes through two or more railroads territory (tracks). Units accumulating or paying back horsepower hours can show up anywhere in any service as the power desk sees fit. Railroads, especially the class ones, are always borrowing power from eachother. The way they keep things even is called "horse power hours". For instance lets say UP borrows a NS SD40-2, An SD40-2 is 3000hp and will be counted as 3000 horse power hours for every hour it spends on UP. If it's there for a day the UP would owe NS 72,000 HP hours. Now say somewhere else NS has borrowed a UP AC6000 for a day. Sience the AC6000 is 6000 hp it will accumulate 144,000 hours in the same time. So now there is a debt owed to NS of 72,000 hp hours. Each railroad keeps track of the balance between them and each one of the other railroads and if the balance gets to be too much, the oweing railroad will send some units to the owed railroad to balance things out. They usually use there own power for this but they could also lease units from a leasor or another railroad to pay back hp hours owed. They could send the owed railroad a whole bunch of units to pay off there debt quickly or more economicaly they send a few units to the owed railroad and it takes a lot longer. In that case a foreign unit might be roaming around the owed railroads property for a while and could end up in the farthest corners of there system. They are typicaly treated as if they were there own units and would assign them as they would any other power (though sometime the power desks will keep them in a certain geographic area or service) Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:26 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 at 6:00am this morning i saw a ns freight with these engines ns, up, ns is it what most of you said? I have seen Canadian National mixed in with BNSF right here in the heart of the midlands. I have a whole list of CSX, NS, CN, UP, KCS, MRL, FURX - the list goes on - that have gone through here. Can't get any more vanilla than that, so if you are still beating this dead horse, then we will have to call out the troll patrol. Mook! She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:16 AM yeah you are right http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by paulstecyna21 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 3, 2006 6:12 AM thank you but i am going to find out more from the company http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 3, 2006 9:25 AM All I can say to this post is good luck [:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 thank you but i am going to find out more from the company Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 3, 2006 9:51 AM you are a nice person http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 3, 2006 12:20 PM I will shortly be in Texas & I will guess I will see NSRR locos there as well. Thanks for the kudo also[:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 you are a nice person Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 3, 2006 11:17 PM My house backs up to the UP right of way in central California, in an area where BNSF also has trackage rights, and I see as many BNSF trains as I do UP. I see NS units on just about every other train, and it doesn't matter if the train is BNSF or UP. I also see CSX units regularly and KCS units occasionally, again on both BNSF and UP trains. I also see CN, CP and MRL units once in a while, although they are seen primarily on BNSF trains. If the trains behind my house are any any indication, we must looking at a 3-way merger between BNSF, UP & NS. [;)] James Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 4, 2006 3:49 AM Hey..is Conrail merging with Union Pacific? More evidence of a NS and UP merger: Oh maybe a NS and BNSF merger: Maybe UP and Conrail are merging with CSX: I sure am confused! ****Joking![:p] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 4, 2006 11:15 AM 1st there is no stupid question & the reason it comes up often is because to someone just starting to railfan it is unusual to see mixed equipment run together. think of the last time you saw a trucking company haul somebody elses trailer such as a schneider cab hauling a millis trailer/doesnt happen. it seems odd that fierce competitors would enter into agrements to help each other. I myself am new to the hobby & asked same question nly last week & made several new & friendly contacts who gave me great info(they didnt bother to ask why I raised the question). -2ndly Ive been seeing an old RIO-Grande engine near pittsburgh on NS tracks / looks likeSD45. who decides what to "loan out"? seems like a SD45 is not comparble to loaning UP a newr engine? Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 4, 2006 2:39 PM Seand; I agree; there are no stupid questions, especially from newbies. But when 6 guys answer the question, and the response is; "i will contact the company and find out more," I can see why the response would be something on the order of; "Then why did you bother to ask the question in the first place, if all you're going to do is tell us you don't believe us and imply we're lying to you?" Which is about what came down in this thread. I'm not exactly a regular on this board, but I've spent enough time posting on various boards to know what a flagrant violation of netiquete that is. Shalom, James Reply Edit mackb4 Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: My Old Kentucky Home 599 posts Posted by mackb4 on Monday, March 6, 2006 12:40 AM I work for the NS and have not heard a new rumor about any merger in a while.With the price of NS's stock going up the way it is,it will be a task for anyone to try and takeover or merge.The only talk I have heard is the increase in coal and intermodal that's on the horizin.After the NS completes it's tunnel projects we will surely look more valuable in a merger or a shared assets agreement.But there is to much to read into seeing railroads sharing power.They get sometype of tax break doing this.I had an almost brand new BNSF engine on a time freight last trip.And seen plenty of UP's on other trains.What's odd is I hardly ever see a CSX engine on one of our trains.Maybe people see them on NS train's elsewhere ? [2c] Collin ,operator of the " Eastern Kentucky & Ohio R.R." Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 6, 2006 7:20 AM Sure see them all the ime out west mostly on the UPRR. Look up my web site then the gallery California Nov 05 then look thru the Daggett pix & you will find a "K" line double stack train with a CSX in the consist [:p] Originally posted by mackb4 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 6, 2006 7:22 AM Especially when he was given visual evidence of a NSRR in a BNSF consist doing 70MPH @ Daggett California [:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by James_the_Mad Seand; I agree; there are no stupid questions, especially from newbies. But when 6 guys answer the question, and the response is; "i will contact the company and find out more," I can see why the response would be something on the order of; "Then why did you bother to ask the question in the first place, if all you're going to do is tell us you don't believe us and imply we're lying to you?" Which is about what came down in this thread. I'm not exactly a regular on this board, but I've spent enough time posting on various boards to know what a flagrant violation of netiquete that is. Shalom, James Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 6, 2006 10:09 AM i will find out the results some time this week http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 6, 2006 10:20 AM [(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D] Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 6, 2006 10:24 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will find out the results some time this week If you don't listen to what we have to say, why should we care what you have to say? I tried to advise you against it, but you are well on your way to being labled a troll like spbed.[:(] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 6, 2006 4:44 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will find out the results some time this week [X-)] [D)] Oy vey! James [banghead] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 6, 2006 6:54 PM While neither a frequent visitor to this site, nor do I have the time to railfan as much as I once did, on the times I have been out to watch or photograph I have consistently seen both NS and CSX power mixed in with BNSF / ATSF / BN power in the Twin Cities. Although I do see plenty of UP power as well, there is a much less likely chance of seeing mixed power with UP at least in this region. There really is no dumb question, and the "netiquette" on this site is somewhere between laid back and barely tolerant from my experience. As a friend of mine in Chicago once said: "Get over it."[:D][;)] Reply Edit paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, March 7, 2006 6:15 AM keep me updated http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 9, 2006 6:04 AM are cabose still used on freight trains? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:00 AM Me thinks you people are being led down the garden path.... She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:11 AM ZMe thinks you are correct after the caboose post. [:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie Me thinks you people are being led down the garden path.... Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply wabash1 Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 2,849 posts Posted by wabash1 on Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:24 AM yes we still use cabooses they are some what smaller than the ones in the past and more modern and lots of electronics in them now. we can operate with out them but its easier to use them. and we dont just use our own we use what ever is avalible and stick them to the rear. jest as long as its a caboose is all we care. Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Thursday, March 9, 2006 12:01 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1 yes we still use cabooses they are some what smaller than the ones in the past and more modern and lots of electronics in them now. we can operate with out them but its easier to use them. and we dont just use our own we use what ever is avalible and stick them to the rear. jest as long as its a caboose is all we care. True, how true, and we especially like it when it links up to the rest of the train.[8D] The primary use of a caboose in todays' world is as a shoving platform when a crew is going to make a long shove somewhere, almost always yard jobs and locals, never through freight. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 10, 2006 6:02 AM well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Friday, March 10, 2006 7:41 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it I hope you're not camping out by your mailbox waiting on it. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 10, 2006 9:33 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it Gee, There is a big suprise. Reply CNW 6000 Member sinceDecember 2005 From: MP 175.1 CN Neenah Sub 4,917 posts Posted by CNW 6000 on Friday, March 10, 2006 10:32 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Or it could be paying back or accumulating "horse power hours" Run through agreements are typicaly between "city pairs" on a particular route that goes through two or more railroads territory (tracks). Units accumulating or paying back horsepower hours can show up anywhere in any service as the power desk sees fit. Railroads, especially the class ones, are always borrowing power from eachother. The way they keep things even is called "horse power hours". For instance lets say UP borrows a NS SD40-2, An SD40-2 is 3000hp and will be counted as 3000 horse power hours for every hour it spends on UP. If it's there for a day the UP would owe NS 72,000 HP hours. Now say somewhere else NS has borrowed a UP AC6000 for a day. Sience the AC6000 is 6000 hp it will accumulate 144,000 hours in the same time. So now there is a debt owed to NS of 72,000 hp hours. Each railroad keeps track of the balance between them and each one of the other railroads and if the balance gets to be too much, the oweing railroad will send some units to the owed railroad to balance things out. They usually use there own power for this but they could also lease units from a leasor or another railroad to pay back hp hours owed. They could send the owed railroad a whole bunch of units to pay off there debt quickly or more economicaly they send a few units to the owed railroad and it takes a lot longer. In that case a foreign unit might be roaming around the owed railroads property for a while and could end up in the farthest corners of there system. They are typicaly treated as if they were there own units and would assign them as they would any other power (though sometime the power desks will keep them in a certain geographic area or service) Holy what a good explanation. Thanks! Dan Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 10, 2006 11:59 AM No problem. You're welcome. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 10, 2006 2:04 PM I AM NOT CAMPING OUTSIDE MY MAILBOX AND BY THE WAY I DO NOT HAVE A MAILBOX. ITS GETS DELIVERED TO MY DOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 10, 2006 4:40 PM Junior is getting upset because we're making fun of him for calling us a bunch of liars, and for not accepting explanations from what, about 10 people now? Maybe mommy needs to take junior's computer away from him before he works himself into a stroke, or maybe a heart attack. [:O] [xx(] [:I] Added note - I just went back and counted. Thirteen people have stated this is due to power sharing or through power arrangements. Seven more are laughing at junior for his presumption, and for challenging the answer because we didn't tell him what he expected to hear. And another four, while not explicitely stating as much, have acknowledged the basic premise that this is basically about power sharing. So what's the definition of a troll? Perhaps arguing with 2 dozen members of the board would qualify? [;)] [(-D] Reply Edit Gluefinger Member sinceJuly 2002 484 posts Posted by Gluefinger on Friday, March 10, 2006 5:41 PM Sigh, the next generation of railfans....oh wait! Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 13, 2006 6:07 AM if there is one thing i have got to say it is that i am still in high school and i am junior, not only that but i do not know most of these things that you talk about since i am in 11th grade in high school. Is this fine with everybody? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 13, 2006 9:28 AM If you were willing to listen, that would be fine. But when you insist on implying that we're a bunch of lying morons, that is not acceptable. Do you challenge your teachers, questioning every lesson? Do you question everything your friends tell you? And if not, then why do you think such behavior would be acceptable here? Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 13, 2006 9:48 AM Paul, It's not your age it's your attitude. There are several well respected members of this forum that are your age and younger. Reply David_Telesha Member sinceNovember 2005 From: NYNH&H Norwich & Worcester MP21.7 774 posts Posted by David_Telesha on Monday, March 13, 2006 10:09 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 if there is one thing i have got to say it is that i am still in high school and i am junior, not only that but i do not know most of these things that you talk about since i am in 11th grade in high school. Is this fine with everybody? Whats your point? I'm 16 and am a Junior. You're question answered by many people (myself included)... David Telesha New Haven Railroad - www.NHRHTA.org Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 13, 2006 1:42 PM all right i will acept what everybody has said but i like to do my own investigating my self that is why i sent the letter to the company. http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Monday, March 13, 2006 2:19 PM Don't squash an independent spirit! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 13, 2006 2:25 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by daveklepper Don't squash an independent spirit! Nice thought, but I'd be happier if he wasn't talking out of both sides of his mouth, in affect saying: "Okay, I accept what I've been told, but I'm still gonna **** on your answers." Reply Edit paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:10 AM can you just be very nice to me http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:28 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 can you just be very nice to me How about another question: Can you show respect for those who have taken the time and effort to answer you? Ain't no one-way streets here. You want nice, consider showing respect and not dissin' people that are willing to help out. Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:55 AM [#ditto] Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:56 PM Does anyone else think that it is amazing that this topic is up to page 5? Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 7:48 AM Hello I am just back from Texas & if I was you I would get my MSN word in full gear cause I saw the following. My 1st stop was Temple Tx & lo & behold the 1st thing I saw is a NSRR on the BNSFleading 4 other locos in a lite move somewhere. So when I got to the motel later I immediately checked the NSRR & found out that the NSRR does not serve Temple. Next stop was Austin & there I saw a NB UPRR train being lead by a NSRR loco with a UPRR loco as the trailer. Again when I got back to the motel I checked to see if the NSRR serves Austin & found it does not. Finally I stopped at Saginaw that is TX not Michigan & there on the BNSF I saw my 1st road railer trailer train guess what it was being led by a NSRR loco trailed by a UPRR loco on the BNSF! Again I checked & found out that the NSRR does not serve Saginaw TX. My recommendation to you is you should write immediate letters to the UPRR/BNSF/NSRR & find out what the heck is going on as to why they are operating NSRR locos. Later today check out the actual pix of what I wrote above under the Texas March 06 gallery at the bel;ow listed web site http://vgalleries.com/members/railfan1/The+Trainfan.vrg [:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 I AM NOT CAMPING OUTSIDE MY MAILBOX AND BY THE WAY I DO NOT HAVE A MAILBOX. ITS GETS DELIVERED TO MY DOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:40 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX Does anyone else think that it is amazing that this topic is up to page 5? Not as amazing as the fact that I'm still poping in here. It's kind of like watching clowns, they are so lame, yet you still watch them.[(-D] Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:58 AM okay i will show respect can we be friends? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:06 AM So after 6 pages, have you learned more about run through power and power owed and how to get along with masses of people? Kind of a tough world out there isn't it! But these people are only asking for a little respect and mind your manners. Think before you type. Play nice and they will play nice. Mookie She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:18 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 okay i will show respect can we be friends? I'm willing to give you a chance to redeem yourself. Just remember when someone takes the time to write a half page well thought out answer (as I did) don't **** all over it like we don't know jack.[;)] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:11 PM I'm with Mookie & Chad. [#ditto] Reply Edit StillGrande Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Alexandria, VA 847 posts Posted by StillGrande on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:16 PM Hey, there is a Rio Grande hopper in the Anacostia Yard (CSX Washington DC) that has CSX markings. Also saw, about 2 hours ago, a UP loco in a CSX consist, so that merger must have happened. And to think I thought CN and some outfit called HLCX had mergered and taken over CSX when that was all I saw on a set of autoracks last month. These mergers are happening so fast, you would think the railroads were loaning each other locomotives or something! Dewey "Facts are meaningless; you can use facts to prove anything that is even remotely true! Facts, schmacks!" - Homer Simpson "The problem is there are so many stupid people and nothing eats them." Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 7:14 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 can you just be very nice to me I can't say I believe you're a Junior. I'm a FRESHMAN in High School, and with 10+ respected forum members answering my question, who would want to investigateon their own? It's unlikely NS will even care to respond anyway. Sorry, thems the breaks. Reply Edit paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:13 AM that is okay and i enjoy everybodys responses http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 20, 2006 6:34 AM here an unusal sighting that i saw. i saw a conrail freight engine pulling a union pacfic freight engine heading towards valley forge and harrisburg. http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 20, 2006 8:25 AM So are you going to write to the UPRR & NSRR now & ask them what UPRR loocos are doing in Pennsylvania? [:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 here an unusal sighting that i saw. i saw a conrail freight engine pulling a union pacfic freight engine heading towards valley forge and harrisburg. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 20, 2006 9:14 AM i have to wait until i get my letter back from ns http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Monday, March 20, 2006 9:16 AM I laugh. Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 20, 2006 9:18 AM why http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 20, 2006 10:43 AM Because if NS was planning a merger quietly then they are not going to write you back saying yes we are merging with x railroad, even if the person you wrote is a friend. If they were not being quiet about it then the NS employees here would know about it, and the rest of the railfan community as well. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 20, 2006 12:29 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX Does anyone else think that it is amazing that this topic is up to page 5? Not as amazing as the fact that I'm still poping in here. It's kind of like watching clowns, they are so lame, yet you still watch them.[(-D] well here we are now up to page 6 with still no end in sight and i like the line about this post being like watching clowns--that is too funny and since nothing we seem to say to this paulstecyna person seems to sink in or stick, i am going to suggest he change his name to 'teflon' Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 20, 2006 2:29 PM I think Paul suffers from a very naive view of the business world, and thinks that: a. NS cares about him enough to respond, and b. They will tell the truth. How many times have we seen companies (and people, especially in Holywood) deny rumors, only to have them connfirmed at the last minute? [(-D] Reply Edit coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Monday, March 20, 2006 2:34 PM When exactly did power sharing come about? It seems like in photo's of the 70's, it wall all one railroad. Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 6:14 AM i will give it until the end of this month http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply wabash1 Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 2,849 posts Posted by wabash1 on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:11 AM paul your right the union pacific and bnsf are trying to buy out the ns and the csx railroads . they wont tell you up front and it is against company policy to say anything. with in 5 years there will be only one railroad running coast to coast made of 2 railroads the bn and the up. they will keep the markings of their home frieght line but will run under a new name. also in breaking news the congress has passed a bill to run amtrak nationally and there is a 2.5billion dollar grant to lay high speed rail from L.A. callifornia to hawaii. it will be cheaper to take the train instead of flying and to keep cost down they will be using mexican labor. it will be all electric and with work ongoing 24 hrs aday the job should be done in 3 years. dont tell anyone this is top secreate Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:59 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 all right i will acept what everybody has said but i like to do my own investigating my self that is why i sent the letter to the company. Well, to all of you doubters. I sent my own letter to the NS and they said that they weren't gonna answer Paul's letter until the 32nd of March. Here's what they told me. There is NO Merger planned with any other Rail company....NONE! What they did say is that they were planning on merging with Tyco and Mattel. The merger will result in entirely new train consists. The new NS Tyco trains will all feature "real locomotive sounds," whistles and bells and real smoke coming out of the exhaust stack. The new trains will be powered by 1,000 AA batteries and have cabbage patch kids at the throttle. The new paint scheme will resemble the old NS scheme withthe addition of a big happy clown face on the front of every motor. There will be a sweepstake to be an engineer for the day. The official game pieces will be in specially marked boxes of sugarsmacks cereal, many will enter, few will win......good luck. Reply Edit ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:34 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1 paul your right the union pacific and bnsf are trying to buy out the ns and the csx railroads . they wont tell you up front and it is against company policy to say anything. with in 5 years there will be only one railroad running coast to coast made of 2 railroads the bn and the up. they will keep the markings of their home frieght line but will run under a new name. also in breaking news the congress has passed a bill to run amtrak nationally and there is a 2.5billion dollar grant to lay high speed rail from L.A. callifornia to hawaii. it will be cheaper to take the train instead of flying and to keep cost down they will be using mexican labor. it will be all electric and with work ongoing 24 hrs aday the job should be done in 3 years. dont tell anyone this is top secreate BLABBERMOUTH!! Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:08 PM AS CEO of Norfolk Southern, Paul ,I will tell you that we have already taken over EVERY RAILROAD IN THE WORLD, but ya know, mums the word. Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply amtrakjackson Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: Michigan 87 posts Posted by amtrakjackson on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:29 PM The other day we had to pick up a Conrail-painted NS unit at Kalamazoo's Botsford Yard because our P42 died; we tied it on the front of the 28. I didn't want to say anything before, knowing how rumors get started... but we did it to show everyone out here that NS is buying Amtrak and then repainting all the equipment French Blue. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:11 AM thank you http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:24 PM Dude; How many clues do you need that people are laughing at you? QUOTE: The other day we had to pick up a Conrail-painted NS unit at Kalamazoo's Botsford Yard because our P42 died; we tied it on the front of the 28. I didn't want to say anything before, knowing how rumors get started... but we did it to show everyone out here that NS is buying Amtrak and then repainting all the equipment French Blue. QUOTE: AS CEO of Norfolk Southern, Paul ,I will tell you that we have already taken over EVERY RAILROAD IN THE WORLD, but ya know, mums the word. QUOTE: paul your right the union pacific and bnsf are trying to buy out the ns and the csx railroads . they wont tell you up front and it is against company policy to say anything. with in 5 years there will be only one railroad running coast to coast made of 2 railroads the bn and the up. they will keep the markings of their home frieght line but will run under a new name. also in breaking news the congress has passed a bill to run amtrak nationally and there is a 2.5billion dollar grant to lay high speed rail from L.A. callifornia to hawaii. it will be cheaper to take the train instead of flying and to keep cost down they will be using mexican labor. it will be all electric and with work ongoing 24 hrs aday the job should be done in 3 years. dont tell anyone this is top secreate And I especially liked this one, saying you would be sent a response on the 32nd of March: QUOTE: Well, to all of you doubters. I sent my own letter to the NS and they said that they weren't gonna answer Paul's letter until the 32nd of March. Here's what they told me. There is NO Merger planned with any other Rail company....NONE! What they did say is that they were planning on merging with Tyco and Mattel. The merger will result in entirely new train consists. The new NS Tyco trains will all feature "real locomotive sounds," whistles and bells and real smoke coming out of the exhaust stack. The new trains will be powered by 1,000 AA batteries and have cabbage patch kids at the throttle. The new paint scheme will resemble the old NS scheme withthe addition of a big happy clown face on the front of every motor. There will be a sweepstake to be an engineer for the day. The official game pieces will be in specially marked boxes of sugarsmacks cereal, many will enter, few will win......good luck. Some of this stuff is so farfetched it will never happen. You are being seriously mocked with these ridiculous stories, and you seem to be the only one that doesn't get it. I mentioned earlier that I thought you were naive. If you don't understand the term, let me translate it for you: Naive = Clueless. And yes, the members of this board are continuing to laugh at you because you are so clueless. I know, these are harsh words. But as Mookie mentioned earlier, this is a tough world. And by continuing to tell us you're still waiting for a response from NS, you're just telling us again how naive (or clueless) you are. James QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 thank you Reply Edit coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:31 PM You have 22 posts on this thread that does not insinuate your a junior. You seem younger than me..... Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:07 AM i am 17 years old and was born in 1988 http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:38 PM Interesting...so did the letter come yet.....*walks away* *looks back* *bursts out laughing* I would give it up pal... Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:57 PM I'm wondering how many times he's going to push back his timeframe. [(-D] 3/1: "i should get a response this weekend." 3/6: "i will find out the results some time this week" 3/21: "i will give it until the end of this month" What happens when April 1st rolls around, and he still hasn't heard back? Or May 1st? Will he be telling us in July that he should get a response in another week or two? [sigh] Reply Edit cpbloom Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Still on the other side of the tracks. 397 posts Posted by cpbloom on Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:13 PM The more I read this topic the more I begin to wonder who the real fools are here. It sounds to me like he is just leading you all along to see how long you will play this game of "respond to my ridiculous posts". Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 24, 2006 6:07 AM that is not true http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, March 24, 2006 6:52 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom The more I read this topic the more I begin to wonder who the real fools are here. It sounds to me like he is just leading you all along to see how long you will play this game of "respond to my ridiculous posts". Took the words right out of my head! She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 24, 2006 7:17 AM you know i am only a junior in high school and i have a lot on my mind so why do you try to degrade me? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 24, 2006 9:29 AM Paul; I hate to tell you, but you're the one that set the ground rules for this particular game, and whining won't help. You pissed on our answers, and even now you're telling us you're still waiting for a response from NS. And you keep moving the deadline for the response, dragging this thing out. There are other members of this board that are the same age as your, or even younger, that aren't clueless like you seem to be. Some of them have even let you know what they thought of your posts in this thread. So using your age as an excuse doesn't wash. As for "i have a lot on my mind," if you don't have enough respect for us to pay attention, why are you wasting our time? You're not helping your reputation here, you know - you're just showing, once again, how disrespectfull and clueless you are. Shalom, James Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 24, 2006 9:58 AM [#ditto] Well said James. Reply cpbloom Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Still on the other side of the tracks. 397 posts Posted by cpbloom on Friday, March 24, 2006 10:22 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 that is not true If that is not true then I apologize BUT the fact that your question was answered on the first page and we're still talking about it leads me to think you are [:o)] around. Again if that is not true then I apologize. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:25 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas [#ditto] Well said James. Thank you. I feel like I'm [banghead] with this guy, but I had to give it one last shot. And the worst thing is, I don't think this guy has a clue how insulting some of his posts are. [sigh] Hopefully he'll listen this time, but I certainly wouldn't want to bet the farm on it. [2c] Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:42 AM Me thinks you right.[;)] Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:52 AM Personally I think he is having fun PPing on people older then him. JMHO though Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:57 AM Then you two trolls should get along great with eachother.[#dots] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 24, 2006 12:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Personally I think he is having fun PPing on people older then him. JMHO though Could be. But I had to give him one last chance, giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he's telling the truth. After this, though, I'm through. Whether it's deliberate or just because he's clueless, either way, I've hit the point of no return. If he doesn't figure it out this time, he's on his own. I'm through with [banghead]. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 24, 2006 2:36 PM If you really want some answers, there are three things you can do: 1.) Listen to everyone here. 2.) Look in to the past 3.) Look at the NYSE and STB Why? 1.) Mostly everyone in here either a.) works for the railroad or b.) knows these rails by heart. I can tell you what trians to expect on the W line on the Norfolk Southern. I live and breath around Huntingburg, IN, so of course, I should know what to expect. One day while railfanning, caught nothing but UP SD70M's in Southern Indiana of all places! 2.) Right now, all the Class I's are paying off their merger consumptions from the mid 80's on up. Union Pacific should be automatically counted out of the race for merging anytime in the near future, since it is paying off CNW, SP and possibly the Katy. BNSF is still paying off for ATSF, NS and CSX are still paying off Conrail and CN for IC. The only merger right now would be for CP to merge up with someone. However, that is doubtful seeing how they are doing a bad job with service (they are in the process of selling off the Latta Sub to INRD). Railroads are businesses, they thrive on booming economies and they need to survive. SP and UP merged to threats by BN and SF. CSX entered the takeover for CR due to NS. BNSF and CN were going to merge in reaction to the UP+SP combo but that failed. 3.) Right now if you look at the NYSE, you will see that stocks for railroads are pretty lofty (NS is at $54, CSX is at 59, CN at 47, CP is 49, UP is 92, BNSF is 80) which translates to if a western railroad and an eastern railroad wanted to merge, it would be bloody expensive! And let's not think about western railraods (Sherman Anti-Trust Act ring a bell?) Let's say you want to buy out 50% of the outstanding stock at NS and it was at 100,000,000, okay, first you would have to agree to pay it at an inflated rate. Something that is higher so that the investors will accept the merger and see that it will make them money. Remember many investors are in the stock business to make money, like businesses. So let's say for a moment that BSNF wants to merge with NS, that means BNSF will buy 50,000,000 shares outstanding, not including shares outstanding they need to buy in order to get a foothold. But, they will need to pass through the STB and NYSE first to make sure this is a legit deal. Now let's say they offer roughly $60 a share for NS stock which is a deal to some, that would mean BNSF would pay out 300,000,000! but in all actuality, NS's outstanding stock is 412,237,000! So do you see the issue with merging right now? It's not just unreasonable and a fantasy, you wont make a profitable enough return to make it feasable. Reply Edit coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Friday, March 24, 2006 3:44 PM CN paying IC, WC, GLTX (includes DMIR,BLE,PCDC, and others) Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 27, 2006 4:30 PM alright we will leave it at that and lets get back to train talk. at 4:15pm i saw a ns freight with these engines ns, up, and ns of a mixed train. http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 1:50 PM at 6:00am this morning i saw a ns freight with these engines ns, up, ns is it what most of you said? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:11 PM Can you hear me now? QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Or it could be paying back or accumulating "horse power hours" Run through agreements are typicaly between "city pairs" on a particular route that goes through two or more railroads territory (tracks). Units accumulating or paying back horsepower hours can show up anywhere in any service as the power desk sees fit. Railroads, especially the class ones, are always borrowing power from eachother. The way they keep things even is called "horse power hours". For instance lets say UP borrows a NS SD40-2, An SD40-2 is 3000hp and will be counted as 3000 horse power hours for every hour it spends on UP. If it's there for a day the UP would owe NS 72,000 HP hours. Now say somewhere else NS has borrowed a UP AC6000 for a day. Sience the AC6000 is 6000 hp it will accumulate 144,000 hours in the same time. So now there is a debt owed to NS of 72,000 hp hours. Each railroad keeps track of the balance between them and each one of the other railroads and if the balance gets to be too much, the oweing railroad will send some units to the owed railroad to balance things out. They usually use there own power for this but they could also lease units from a leasor or another railroad to pay back hp hours owed. They could send the owed railroad a whole bunch of units to pay off there debt quickly or more economicaly they send a few units to the owed railroad and it takes a lot longer. In that case a foreign unit might be roaming around the owed railroads property for a while and could end up in the farthest corners of there system. They are typicaly treated as if they were there own units and would assign them as they would any other power (though sometime the power desks will keep them in a certain geographic area or service) Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:26 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 at 6:00am this morning i saw a ns freight with these engines ns, up, ns is it what most of you said? I have seen Canadian National mixed in with BNSF right here in the heart of the midlands. I have a whole list of CSX, NS, CN, UP, KCS, MRL, FURX - the list goes on - that have gone through here. Can't get any more vanilla than that, so if you are still beating this dead horse, then we will have to call out the troll patrol. Mook! She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:16 AM yeah you are right http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 thank you but i am going to find out more from the company
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 you are a nice person
Collin ,operator of the " Eastern Kentucky & Ohio R.R."
Originally posted by mackb4 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 6, 2006 7:22 AM Especially when he was given visual evidence of a NSRR in a BNSF consist doing 70MPH @ Daggett California [:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by James_the_Mad Seand; I agree; there are no stupid questions, especially from newbies. But when 6 guys answer the question, and the response is; "i will contact the company and find out more," I can see why the response would be something on the order of; "Then why did you bother to ask the question in the first place, if all you're going to do is tell us you don't believe us and imply we're lying to you?" Which is about what came down in this thread. I'm not exactly a regular on this board, but I've spent enough time posting on various boards to know what a flagrant violation of netiquete that is. Shalom, James Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 6, 2006 10:09 AM i will find out the results some time this week http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 6, 2006 10:20 AM [(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D] Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 6, 2006 10:24 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will find out the results some time this week If you don't listen to what we have to say, why should we care what you have to say? I tried to advise you against it, but you are well on your way to being labled a troll like spbed.[:(] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 6, 2006 4:44 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will find out the results some time this week [X-)] [D)] Oy vey! James [banghead] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 6, 2006 6:54 PM While neither a frequent visitor to this site, nor do I have the time to railfan as much as I once did, on the times I have been out to watch or photograph I have consistently seen both NS and CSX power mixed in with BNSF / ATSF / BN power in the Twin Cities. Although I do see plenty of UP power as well, there is a much less likely chance of seeing mixed power with UP at least in this region. There really is no dumb question, and the "netiquette" on this site is somewhere between laid back and barely tolerant from my experience. As a friend of mine in Chicago once said: "Get over it."[:D][;)] Reply Edit paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, March 7, 2006 6:15 AM keep me updated http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 9, 2006 6:04 AM are cabose still used on freight trains? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:00 AM Me thinks you people are being led down the garden path.... She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:11 AM ZMe thinks you are correct after the caboose post. [:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie Me thinks you people are being led down the garden path.... Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply wabash1 Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 2,849 posts Posted by wabash1 on Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:24 AM yes we still use cabooses they are some what smaller than the ones in the past and more modern and lots of electronics in them now. we can operate with out them but its easier to use them. and we dont just use our own we use what ever is avalible and stick them to the rear. jest as long as its a caboose is all we care. Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Thursday, March 9, 2006 12:01 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1 yes we still use cabooses they are some what smaller than the ones in the past and more modern and lots of electronics in them now. we can operate with out them but its easier to use them. and we dont just use our own we use what ever is avalible and stick them to the rear. jest as long as its a caboose is all we care. True, how true, and we especially like it when it links up to the rest of the train.[8D] The primary use of a caboose in todays' world is as a shoving platform when a crew is going to make a long shove somewhere, almost always yard jobs and locals, never through freight. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 10, 2006 6:02 AM well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Friday, March 10, 2006 7:41 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it I hope you're not camping out by your mailbox waiting on it. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 10, 2006 9:33 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it Gee, There is a big suprise. Reply CNW 6000 Member sinceDecember 2005 From: MP 175.1 CN Neenah Sub 4,917 posts Posted by CNW 6000 on Friday, March 10, 2006 10:32 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Or it could be paying back or accumulating "horse power hours" Run through agreements are typicaly between "city pairs" on a particular route that goes through two or more railroads territory (tracks). Units accumulating or paying back horsepower hours can show up anywhere in any service as the power desk sees fit. Railroads, especially the class ones, are always borrowing power from eachother. The way they keep things even is called "horse power hours". For instance lets say UP borrows a NS SD40-2, An SD40-2 is 3000hp and will be counted as 3000 horse power hours for every hour it spends on UP. If it's there for a day the UP would owe NS 72,000 HP hours. Now say somewhere else NS has borrowed a UP AC6000 for a day. Sience the AC6000 is 6000 hp it will accumulate 144,000 hours in the same time. So now there is a debt owed to NS of 72,000 hp hours. Each railroad keeps track of the balance between them and each one of the other railroads and if the balance gets to be too much, the oweing railroad will send some units to the owed railroad to balance things out. They usually use there own power for this but they could also lease units from a leasor or another railroad to pay back hp hours owed. They could send the owed railroad a whole bunch of units to pay off there debt quickly or more economicaly they send a few units to the owed railroad and it takes a lot longer. In that case a foreign unit might be roaming around the owed railroads property for a while and could end up in the farthest corners of there system. They are typicaly treated as if they were there own units and would assign them as they would any other power (though sometime the power desks will keep them in a certain geographic area or service) Holy what a good explanation. Thanks! Dan Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 10, 2006 11:59 AM No problem. You're welcome. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 10, 2006 2:04 PM I AM NOT CAMPING OUTSIDE MY MAILBOX AND BY THE WAY I DO NOT HAVE A MAILBOX. ITS GETS DELIVERED TO MY DOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 10, 2006 4:40 PM Junior is getting upset because we're making fun of him for calling us a bunch of liars, and for not accepting explanations from what, about 10 people now? Maybe mommy needs to take junior's computer away from him before he works himself into a stroke, or maybe a heart attack. [:O] [xx(] [:I] Added note - I just went back and counted. Thirteen people have stated this is due to power sharing or through power arrangements. Seven more are laughing at junior for his presumption, and for challenging the answer because we didn't tell him what he expected to hear. And another four, while not explicitely stating as much, have acknowledged the basic premise that this is basically about power sharing. So what's the definition of a troll? Perhaps arguing with 2 dozen members of the board would qualify? [;)] [(-D] Reply Edit Gluefinger Member sinceJuly 2002 484 posts Posted by Gluefinger on Friday, March 10, 2006 5:41 PM Sigh, the next generation of railfans....oh wait! Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 13, 2006 6:07 AM if there is one thing i have got to say it is that i am still in high school and i am junior, not only that but i do not know most of these things that you talk about since i am in 11th grade in high school. Is this fine with everybody? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 13, 2006 9:28 AM If you were willing to listen, that would be fine. But when you insist on implying that we're a bunch of lying morons, that is not acceptable. Do you challenge your teachers, questioning every lesson? Do you question everything your friends tell you? And if not, then why do you think such behavior would be acceptable here? Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 13, 2006 9:48 AM Paul, It's not your age it's your attitude. There are several well respected members of this forum that are your age and younger. Reply David_Telesha Member sinceNovember 2005 From: NYNH&H Norwich & Worcester MP21.7 774 posts Posted by David_Telesha on Monday, March 13, 2006 10:09 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 if there is one thing i have got to say it is that i am still in high school and i am junior, not only that but i do not know most of these things that you talk about since i am in 11th grade in high school. Is this fine with everybody? Whats your point? I'm 16 and am a Junior. You're question answered by many people (myself included)... David Telesha New Haven Railroad - www.NHRHTA.org Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 13, 2006 1:42 PM all right i will acept what everybody has said but i like to do my own investigating my self that is why i sent the letter to the company. http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Monday, March 13, 2006 2:19 PM Don't squash an independent spirit! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 13, 2006 2:25 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by daveklepper Don't squash an independent spirit! Nice thought, but I'd be happier if he wasn't talking out of both sides of his mouth, in affect saying: "Okay, I accept what I've been told, but I'm still gonna **** on your answers." Reply Edit paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:10 AM can you just be very nice to me http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:28 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 can you just be very nice to me How about another question: Can you show respect for those who have taken the time and effort to answer you? Ain't no one-way streets here. You want nice, consider showing respect and not dissin' people that are willing to help out. Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:55 AM [#ditto] Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:56 PM Does anyone else think that it is amazing that this topic is up to page 5? Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 7:48 AM Hello I am just back from Texas & if I was you I would get my MSN word in full gear cause I saw the following. My 1st stop was Temple Tx & lo & behold the 1st thing I saw is a NSRR on the BNSFleading 4 other locos in a lite move somewhere. So when I got to the motel later I immediately checked the NSRR & found out that the NSRR does not serve Temple. Next stop was Austin & there I saw a NB UPRR train being lead by a NSRR loco with a UPRR loco as the trailer. Again when I got back to the motel I checked to see if the NSRR serves Austin & found it does not. Finally I stopped at Saginaw that is TX not Michigan & there on the BNSF I saw my 1st road railer trailer train guess what it was being led by a NSRR loco trailed by a UPRR loco on the BNSF! Again I checked & found out that the NSRR does not serve Saginaw TX. My recommendation to you is you should write immediate letters to the UPRR/BNSF/NSRR & find out what the heck is going on as to why they are operating NSRR locos. Later today check out the actual pix of what I wrote above under the Texas March 06 gallery at the bel;ow listed web site http://vgalleries.com/members/railfan1/The+Trainfan.vrg [:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 I AM NOT CAMPING OUTSIDE MY MAILBOX AND BY THE WAY I DO NOT HAVE A MAILBOX. ITS GETS DELIVERED TO MY DOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:40 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX Does anyone else think that it is amazing that this topic is up to page 5? Not as amazing as the fact that I'm still poping in here. It's kind of like watching clowns, they are so lame, yet you still watch them.[(-D] Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:58 AM okay i will show respect can we be friends? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:06 AM So after 6 pages, have you learned more about run through power and power owed and how to get along with masses of people? Kind of a tough world out there isn't it! But these people are only asking for a little respect and mind your manners. Think before you type. Play nice and they will play nice. Mookie She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:18 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 okay i will show respect can we be friends? I'm willing to give you a chance to redeem yourself. Just remember when someone takes the time to write a half page well thought out answer (as I did) don't **** all over it like we don't know jack.[;)] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:11 PM I'm with Mookie & Chad. [#ditto] Reply Edit StillGrande Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Alexandria, VA 847 posts Posted by StillGrande on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:16 PM Hey, there is a Rio Grande hopper in the Anacostia Yard (CSX Washington DC) that has CSX markings. Also saw, about 2 hours ago, a UP loco in a CSX consist, so that merger must have happened. And to think I thought CN and some outfit called HLCX had mergered and taken over CSX when that was all I saw on a set of autoracks last month. These mergers are happening so fast, you would think the railroads were loaning each other locomotives or something! Dewey "Facts are meaningless; you can use facts to prove anything that is even remotely true! Facts, schmacks!" - Homer Simpson "The problem is there are so many stupid people and nothing eats them." Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 7:14 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 can you just be very nice to me I can't say I believe you're a Junior. I'm a FRESHMAN in High School, and with 10+ respected forum members answering my question, who would want to investigateon their own? It's unlikely NS will even care to respond anyway. Sorry, thems the breaks. Reply Edit paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:13 AM that is okay and i enjoy everybodys responses http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 20, 2006 6:34 AM here an unusal sighting that i saw. i saw a conrail freight engine pulling a union pacfic freight engine heading towards valley forge and harrisburg. http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 20, 2006 8:25 AM So are you going to write to the UPRR & NSRR now & ask them what UPRR loocos are doing in Pennsylvania? [:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 here an unusal sighting that i saw. i saw a conrail freight engine pulling a union pacfic freight engine heading towards valley forge and harrisburg. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 20, 2006 9:14 AM i have to wait until i get my letter back from ns http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Monday, March 20, 2006 9:16 AM I laugh. Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 20, 2006 9:18 AM why http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 20, 2006 10:43 AM Because if NS was planning a merger quietly then they are not going to write you back saying yes we are merging with x railroad, even if the person you wrote is a friend. If they were not being quiet about it then the NS employees here would know about it, and the rest of the railfan community as well. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 20, 2006 12:29 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX Does anyone else think that it is amazing that this topic is up to page 5? Not as amazing as the fact that I'm still poping in here. It's kind of like watching clowns, they are so lame, yet you still watch them.[(-D] well here we are now up to page 6 with still no end in sight and i like the line about this post being like watching clowns--that is too funny and since nothing we seem to say to this paulstecyna person seems to sink in or stick, i am going to suggest he change his name to 'teflon' Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 20, 2006 2:29 PM I think Paul suffers from a very naive view of the business world, and thinks that: a. NS cares about him enough to respond, and b. They will tell the truth. How many times have we seen companies (and people, especially in Holywood) deny rumors, only to have them connfirmed at the last minute? [(-D] Reply Edit coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Monday, March 20, 2006 2:34 PM When exactly did power sharing come about? It seems like in photo's of the 70's, it wall all one railroad. Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 6:14 AM i will give it until the end of this month http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply wabash1 Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 2,849 posts Posted by wabash1 on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:11 AM paul your right the union pacific and bnsf are trying to buy out the ns and the csx railroads . they wont tell you up front and it is against company policy to say anything. with in 5 years there will be only one railroad running coast to coast made of 2 railroads the bn and the up. they will keep the markings of their home frieght line but will run under a new name. also in breaking news the congress has passed a bill to run amtrak nationally and there is a 2.5billion dollar grant to lay high speed rail from L.A. callifornia to hawaii. it will be cheaper to take the train instead of flying and to keep cost down they will be using mexican labor. it will be all electric and with work ongoing 24 hrs aday the job should be done in 3 years. dont tell anyone this is top secreate Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:59 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 all right i will acept what everybody has said but i like to do my own investigating my self that is why i sent the letter to the company. Well, to all of you doubters. I sent my own letter to the NS and they said that they weren't gonna answer Paul's letter until the 32nd of March. Here's what they told me. There is NO Merger planned with any other Rail company....NONE! What they did say is that they were planning on merging with Tyco and Mattel. The merger will result in entirely new train consists. The new NS Tyco trains will all feature "real locomotive sounds," whistles and bells and real smoke coming out of the exhaust stack. The new trains will be powered by 1,000 AA batteries and have cabbage patch kids at the throttle. The new paint scheme will resemble the old NS scheme withthe addition of a big happy clown face on the front of every motor. There will be a sweepstake to be an engineer for the day. The official game pieces will be in specially marked boxes of sugarsmacks cereal, many will enter, few will win......good luck. Reply Edit ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:34 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1 paul your right the union pacific and bnsf are trying to buy out the ns and the csx railroads . they wont tell you up front and it is against company policy to say anything. with in 5 years there will be only one railroad running coast to coast made of 2 railroads the bn and the up. they will keep the markings of their home frieght line but will run under a new name. also in breaking news the congress has passed a bill to run amtrak nationally and there is a 2.5billion dollar grant to lay high speed rail from L.A. callifornia to hawaii. it will be cheaper to take the train instead of flying and to keep cost down they will be using mexican labor. it will be all electric and with work ongoing 24 hrs aday the job should be done in 3 years. dont tell anyone this is top secreate BLABBERMOUTH!! Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:08 PM AS CEO of Norfolk Southern, Paul ,I will tell you that we have already taken over EVERY RAILROAD IN THE WORLD, but ya know, mums the word. Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply amtrakjackson Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: Michigan 87 posts Posted by amtrakjackson on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:29 PM The other day we had to pick up a Conrail-painted NS unit at Kalamazoo's Botsford Yard because our P42 died; we tied it on the front of the 28. I didn't want to say anything before, knowing how rumors get started... but we did it to show everyone out here that NS is buying Amtrak and then repainting all the equipment French Blue. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:11 AM thank you http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:24 PM Dude; How many clues do you need that people are laughing at you? QUOTE: The other day we had to pick up a Conrail-painted NS unit at Kalamazoo's Botsford Yard because our P42 died; we tied it on the front of the 28. I didn't want to say anything before, knowing how rumors get started... but we did it to show everyone out here that NS is buying Amtrak and then repainting all the equipment French Blue. QUOTE: AS CEO of Norfolk Southern, Paul ,I will tell you that we have already taken over EVERY RAILROAD IN THE WORLD, but ya know, mums the word. QUOTE: paul your right the union pacific and bnsf are trying to buy out the ns and the csx railroads . they wont tell you up front and it is against company policy to say anything. with in 5 years there will be only one railroad running coast to coast made of 2 railroads the bn and the up. they will keep the markings of their home frieght line but will run under a new name. also in breaking news the congress has passed a bill to run amtrak nationally and there is a 2.5billion dollar grant to lay high speed rail from L.A. callifornia to hawaii. it will be cheaper to take the train instead of flying and to keep cost down they will be using mexican labor. it will be all electric and with work ongoing 24 hrs aday the job should be done in 3 years. dont tell anyone this is top secreate And I especially liked this one, saying you would be sent a response on the 32nd of March: QUOTE: Well, to all of you doubters. I sent my own letter to the NS and they said that they weren't gonna answer Paul's letter until the 32nd of March. Here's what they told me. There is NO Merger planned with any other Rail company....NONE! What they did say is that they were planning on merging with Tyco and Mattel. The merger will result in entirely new train consists. The new NS Tyco trains will all feature "real locomotive sounds," whistles and bells and real smoke coming out of the exhaust stack. The new trains will be powered by 1,000 AA batteries and have cabbage patch kids at the throttle. The new paint scheme will resemble the old NS scheme withthe addition of a big happy clown face on the front of every motor. There will be a sweepstake to be an engineer for the day. The official game pieces will be in specially marked boxes of sugarsmacks cereal, many will enter, few will win......good luck. Some of this stuff is so farfetched it will never happen. You are being seriously mocked with these ridiculous stories, and you seem to be the only one that doesn't get it. I mentioned earlier that I thought you were naive. If you don't understand the term, let me translate it for you: Naive = Clueless. And yes, the members of this board are continuing to laugh at you because you are so clueless. I know, these are harsh words. But as Mookie mentioned earlier, this is a tough world. And by continuing to tell us you're still waiting for a response from NS, you're just telling us again how naive (or clueless) you are. James QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 thank you Reply Edit coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:31 PM You have 22 posts on this thread that does not insinuate your a junior. You seem younger than me..... Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:07 AM i am 17 years old and was born in 1988 http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:38 PM Interesting...so did the letter come yet.....*walks away* *looks back* *bursts out laughing* I would give it up pal... Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:57 PM I'm wondering how many times he's going to push back his timeframe. [(-D] 3/1: "i should get a response this weekend." 3/6: "i will find out the results some time this week" 3/21: "i will give it until the end of this month" What happens when April 1st rolls around, and he still hasn't heard back? Or May 1st? Will he be telling us in July that he should get a response in another week or two? [sigh] Reply Edit cpbloom Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Still on the other side of the tracks. 397 posts Posted by cpbloom on Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:13 PM The more I read this topic the more I begin to wonder who the real fools are here. It sounds to me like he is just leading you all along to see how long you will play this game of "respond to my ridiculous posts". Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 24, 2006 6:07 AM that is not true http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, March 24, 2006 6:52 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom The more I read this topic the more I begin to wonder who the real fools are here. It sounds to me like he is just leading you all along to see how long you will play this game of "respond to my ridiculous posts". Took the words right out of my head! She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 24, 2006 7:17 AM you know i am only a junior in high school and i have a lot on my mind so why do you try to degrade me? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 24, 2006 9:29 AM Paul; I hate to tell you, but you're the one that set the ground rules for this particular game, and whining won't help. You pissed on our answers, and even now you're telling us you're still waiting for a response from NS. And you keep moving the deadline for the response, dragging this thing out. There are other members of this board that are the same age as your, or even younger, that aren't clueless like you seem to be. Some of them have even let you know what they thought of your posts in this thread. So using your age as an excuse doesn't wash. As for "i have a lot on my mind," if you don't have enough respect for us to pay attention, why are you wasting our time? You're not helping your reputation here, you know - you're just showing, once again, how disrespectfull and clueless you are. Shalom, James Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 24, 2006 9:58 AM [#ditto] Well said James. Reply cpbloom Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Still on the other side of the tracks. 397 posts Posted by cpbloom on Friday, March 24, 2006 10:22 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 that is not true If that is not true then I apologize BUT the fact that your question was answered on the first page and we're still talking about it leads me to think you are [:o)] around. Again if that is not true then I apologize. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:25 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas [#ditto] Well said James. Thank you. I feel like I'm [banghead] with this guy, but I had to give it one last shot. And the worst thing is, I don't think this guy has a clue how insulting some of his posts are. [sigh] Hopefully he'll listen this time, but I certainly wouldn't want to bet the farm on it. [2c] Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:42 AM Me thinks you right.[;)] Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:52 AM Personally I think he is having fun PPing on people older then him. JMHO though Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:57 AM Then you two trolls should get along great with eachother.[#dots] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 24, 2006 12:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Personally I think he is having fun PPing on people older then him. JMHO though Could be. But I had to give him one last chance, giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he's telling the truth. After this, though, I'm through. Whether it's deliberate or just because he's clueless, either way, I've hit the point of no return. If he doesn't figure it out this time, he's on his own. I'm through with [banghead]. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 24, 2006 2:36 PM If you really want some answers, there are three things you can do: 1.) Listen to everyone here. 2.) Look in to the past 3.) Look at the NYSE and STB Why? 1.) Mostly everyone in here either a.) works for the railroad or b.) knows these rails by heart. I can tell you what trians to expect on the W line on the Norfolk Southern. I live and breath around Huntingburg, IN, so of course, I should know what to expect. One day while railfanning, caught nothing but UP SD70M's in Southern Indiana of all places! 2.) Right now, all the Class I's are paying off their merger consumptions from the mid 80's on up. Union Pacific should be automatically counted out of the race for merging anytime in the near future, since it is paying off CNW, SP and possibly the Katy. BNSF is still paying off for ATSF, NS and CSX are still paying off Conrail and CN for IC. The only merger right now would be for CP to merge up with someone. However, that is doubtful seeing how they are doing a bad job with service (they are in the process of selling off the Latta Sub to INRD). Railroads are businesses, they thrive on booming economies and they need to survive. SP and UP merged to threats by BN and SF. CSX entered the takeover for CR due to NS. BNSF and CN were going to merge in reaction to the UP+SP combo but that failed. 3.) Right now if you look at the NYSE, you will see that stocks for railroads are pretty lofty (NS is at $54, CSX is at 59, CN at 47, CP is 49, UP is 92, BNSF is 80) which translates to if a western railroad and an eastern railroad wanted to merge, it would be bloody expensive! And let's not think about western railraods (Sherman Anti-Trust Act ring a bell?) Let's say you want to buy out 50% of the outstanding stock at NS and it was at 100,000,000, okay, first you would have to agree to pay it at an inflated rate. Something that is higher so that the investors will accept the merger and see that it will make them money. Remember many investors are in the stock business to make money, like businesses. So let's say for a moment that BSNF wants to merge with NS, that means BNSF will buy 50,000,000 shares outstanding, not including shares outstanding they need to buy in order to get a foothold. But, they will need to pass through the STB and NYSE first to make sure this is a legit deal. Now let's say they offer roughly $60 a share for NS stock which is a deal to some, that would mean BNSF would pay out 300,000,000! but in all actuality, NS's outstanding stock is 412,237,000! So do you see the issue with merging right now? It's not just unreasonable and a fantasy, you wont make a profitable enough return to make it feasable. Reply Edit coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Friday, March 24, 2006 3:44 PM CN paying IC, WC, GLTX (includes DMIR,BLE,PCDC, and others) Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, March 27, 2006 4:30 PM alright we will leave it at that and lets get back to train talk. at 4:15pm i saw a ns freight with these engines ns, up, and ns of a mixed train. http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 1:50 PM at 6:00am this morning i saw a ns freight with these engines ns, up, ns is it what most of you said? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:11 PM Can you hear me now? QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Or it could be paying back or accumulating "horse power hours" Run through agreements are typicaly between "city pairs" on a particular route that goes through two or more railroads territory (tracks). Units accumulating or paying back horsepower hours can show up anywhere in any service as the power desk sees fit. Railroads, especially the class ones, are always borrowing power from eachother. The way they keep things even is called "horse power hours". For instance lets say UP borrows a NS SD40-2, An SD40-2 is 3000hp and will be counted as 3000 horse power hours for every hour it spends on UP. If it's there for a day the UP would owe NS 72,000 HP hours. Now say somewhere else NS has borrowed a UP AC6000 for a day. Sience the AC6000 is 6000 hp it will accumulate 144,000 hours in the same time. So now there is a debt owed to NS of 72,000 hp hours. Each railroad keeps track of the balance between them and each one of the other railroads and if the balance gets to be too much, the oweing railroad will send some units to the owed railroad to balance things out. They usually use there own power for this but they could also lease units from a leasor or another railroad to pay back hp hours owed. They could send the owed railroad a whole bunch of units to pay off there debt quickly or more economicaly they send a few units to the owed railroad and it takes a lot longer. In that case a foreign unit might be roaming around the owed railroads property for a while and could end up in the farthest corners of there system. They are typicaly treated as if they were there own units and would assign them as they would any other power (though sometime the power desks will keep them in a certain geographic area or service) Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:26 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 at 6:00am this morning i saw a ns freight with these engines ns, up, ns is it what most of you said? I have seen Canadian National mixed in with BNSF right here in the heart of the midlands. I have a whole list of CSX, NS, CN, UP, KCS, MRL, FURX - the list goes on - that have gone through here. Can't get any more vanilla than that, so if you are still beating this dead horse, then we will have to call out the troll patrol. Mook! She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:16 AM yeah you are right http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by James_the_Mad Seand; I agree; there are no stupid questions, especially from newbies. But when 6 guys answer the question, and the response is; "i will contact the company and find out more," I can see why the response would be something on the order of; "Then why did you bother to ask the question in the first place, if all you're going to do is tell us you don't believe us and imply we're lying to you?" Which is about what came down in this thread. I'm not exactly a regular on this board, but I've spent enough time posting on various boards to know what a flagrant violation of netiquete that is. Shalom, James
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will find out the results some time this week
She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie Me thinks you people are being led down the garden path....
QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1 yes we still use cabooses they are some what smaller than the ones in the past and more modern and lots of electronics in them now. we can operate with out them but its easier to use them. and we dont just use our own we use what ever is avalible and stick them to the rear. jest as long as its a caboose is all we care.
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Or it could be paying back or accumulating "horse power hours" Run through agreements are typicaly between "city pairs" on a particular route that goes through two or more railroads territory (tracks). Units accumulating or paying back horsepower hours can show up anywhere in any service as the power desk sees fit. Railroads, especially the class ones, are always borrowing power from eachother. The way they keep things even is called "horse power hours". For instance lets say UP borrows a NS SD40-2, An SD40-2 is 3000hp and will be counted as 3000 horse power hours for every hour it spends on UP. If it's there for a day the UP would owe NS 72,000 HP hours. Now say somewhere else NS has borrowed a UP AC6000 for a day. Sience the AC6000 is 6000 hp it will accumulate 144,000 hours in the same time. So now there is a debt owed to NS of 72,000 hp hours. Each railroad keeps track of the balance between them and each one of the other railroads and if the balance gets to be too much, the oweing railroad will send some units to the owed railroad to balance things out. They usually use there own power for this but they could also lease units from a leasor or another railroad to pay back hp hours owed. They could send the owed railroad a whole bunch of units to pay off there debt quickly or more economicaly they send a few units to the owed railroad and it takes a lot longer. In that case a foreign unit might be roaming around the owed railroads property for a while and could end up in the farthest corners of there system. They are typicaly treated as if they were there own units and would assign them as they would any other power (though sometime the power desks will keep them in a certain geographic area or service)
Dan
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 if there is one thing i have got to say it is that i am still in high school and i am junior, not only that but i do not know most of these things that you talk about since i am in 11th grade in high school. Is this fine with everybody?
QUOTE: Originally posted by daveklepper Don't squash an independent spirit!
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 can you just be very nice to me
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 I AM NOT CAMPING OUTSIDE MY MAILBOX AND BY THE WAY I DO NOT HAVE A MAILBOX. ITS GETS DELIVERED TO MY DOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX Does anyone else think that it is amazing that this topic is up to page 5?
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 okay i will show respect can we be friends?
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 here an unusal sighting that i saw. i saw a conrail freight engine pulling a union pacfic freight engine heading towards valley forge and harrisburg.
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX Does anyone else think that it is amazing that this topic is up to page 5? Not as amazing as the fact that I'm still poping in here. It's kind of like watching clowns, they are so lame, yet you still watch them.[(-D]
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 all right i will acept what everybody has said but i like to do my own investigating my self that is why i sent the letter to the company.
QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1 paul your right the union pacific and bnsf are trying to buy out the ns and the csx railroads . they wont tell you up front and it is against company policy to say anything. with in 5 years there will be only one railroad running coast to coast made of 2 railroads the bn and the up. they will keep the markings of their home frieght line but will run under a new name. also in breaking news the congress has passed a bill to run amtrak nationally and there is a 2.5billion dollar grant to lay high speed rail from L.A. callifornia to hawaii. it will be cheaper to take the train instead of flying and to keep cost down they will be using mexican labor. it will be all electric and with work ongoing 24 hrs aday the job should be done in 3 years. dont tell anyone this is top secreate
QUOTE: The other day we had to pick up a Conrail-painted NS unit at Kalamazoo's Botsford Yard because our P42 died; we tied it on the front of the 28. I didn't want to say anything before, knowing how rumors get started... but we did it to show everyone out here that NS is buying Amtrak and then repainting all the equipment French Blue.
QUOTE: AS CEO of Norfolk Southern, Paul ,I will tell you that we have already taken over EVERY RAILROAD IN THE WORLD, but ya know, mums the word.
QUOTE: paul your right the union pacific and bnsf are trying to buy out the ns and the csx railroads . they wont tell you up front and it is against company policy to say anything. with in 5 years there will be only one railroad running coast to coast made of 2 railroads the bn and the up. they will keep the markings of their home frieght line but will run under a new name. also in breaking news the congress has passed a bill to run amtrak nationally and there is a 2.5billion dollar grant to lay high speed rail from L.A. callifornia to hawaii. it will be cheaper to take the train instead of flying and to keep cost down they will be using mexican labor. it will be all electric and with work ongoing 24 hrs aday the job should be done in 3 years. dont tell anyone this is top secreate
QUOTE: Well, to all of you doubters. I sent my own letter to the NS and they said that they weren't gonna answer Paul's letter until the 32nd of March. Here's what they told me. There is NO Merger planned with any other Rail company....NONE! What they did say is that they were planning on merging with Tyco and Mattel. The merger will result in entirely new train consists. The new NS Tyco trains will all feature "real locomotive sounds," whistles and bells and real smoke coming out of the exhaust stack. The new trains will be powered by 1,000 AA batteries and have cabbage patch kids at the throttle. The new paint scheme will resemble the old NS scheme withthe addition of a big happy clown face on the front of every motor. There will be a sweepstake to be an engineer for the day. The official game pieces will be in specially marked boxes of sugarsmacks cereal, many will enter, few will win......good luck.
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 thank you
QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom The more I read this topic the more I begin to wonder who the real fools are here. It sounds to me like he is just leading you all along to see how long you will play this game of "respond to my ridiculous posts".
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 that is not true
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas [#ditto] Well said James.
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Personally I think he is having fun PPing on people older then him. JMHO though
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 at 6:00am this morning i saw a ns freight with these engines ns, up, ns is it what most of you said?
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