Hijacked train derails

[coborn35]

QUOTE: Originally posted by DavidPV

QUOTE: Originally posted by Ham549

Hey none of you have any skills to match my RR experience I have both MSTS and Trainz and I have driven a trolley at the museum I volunteer at I have driven it to one end of our longest line to the other a full 1/5 mile. And I am certified to give the general public handcar rides so there. lol

Great answer!

When theres a fight, always try to end it with humour.

By the way, I am a 14 year old student who has had MSTS since it was new and found the cabs are extremely similar to the real ones, considering that during a cab ride 2 years ago when I said "the cab is just like Trainsim", the engineer stopped the CP GP38-2 (3096) I was in and told me to drive. I did not require any help at all and think anyone could figure out how to start a locomotive, especially when the throttle and brake handles are labled numerically. (usually a higher number means more power)

HA, not on your life bud...... Or do you really think merely moving the handles will start the train? Not a chance. And since when are brake handles labeled? Is it like air...more air.......lotsa air......EMERGENCY???? You really need to think before you talk...no offense.
I got nothing against you, im just saying....

[sebamat]

Honestly, do you think a terrorist organisation that was able to highjack 4 planes in one hour and crash 3 of the more or less where they wanted would not be able to find an engineer to train them? There are american engines all over the world, including Iran and Irak.... probably not different fron the US ones.
And would they not notice the derailer?

It was surely some person with nothing better to do that make stupid pranks to impress his friends or wathever and that by triing out or having seen it done somewhere (engine rides, friends, chatting , 2.hand manual, wathever...) was able to get it moving. After all, it is not rocket science at least get it moving. Handle well a train can be a different thing.

And for locks: there are people around that are faster opening your car lock with a screw driver (or water they use) that you with the key. Trains will not be so different

sebastiano

[ValleyX]

QUOTE: Originally posted by smattei


Honestly, do you think a terrorist organisation that was able to highjack 4 planes in one hour and crash 3 of the more or less where they wanted would not be able to find an engineer to train them? There are american engines all over the world, including Iran and Irak.... probably not different fron the US ones.
And would they not notice the derailer?

It was surely some person with nothing better to do that make stupid pranks to impress his friends or wathever and that by triing out or having seen it done somewhere (engine rides, friends, chatting , 2.hand manual, wathever...) was able to get it moving. After all, it is not rocket science at least get it moving. Handle well a train can be a different thing.

And for locks: there are people around that are faster opening your car lock with a screw driver (or water they use) that you with the key. Trains will not be so different

sebastiano

Ah, but I've no wi***o be the one accused of discussing on a public forum the procedures used to operate or the procedures used to move or secure a locomotive. As a working railroader, I doubt that I'm quite as anonymous as I wish if someone really wishes to learn who I am and the same probably goes for the rest of you eager to show off your knowledge. Paranoid? Perhaps, but I just can't hardly help myself.

[Tharmeni]

This type of thing hapens all the time. When I was with BN, I recall five or six very similar cases. Usually either a juvenile or a homeless person - after all, the cabs are nice and warm.

By the way, this incident does not meet the definiton of a hijacking (taking by force).

Had to smile at the terrorist mentions....I pictured ol' Osama planning the whole incident, sitting in the Afghan mountains with his minions and pointing to a map of Lawrence, Kansas...

[edblysard]

O-benny is out to strike terrror into the heartland of America...pretty soon, they are going to go after farm equipment...imagine the damage they could do with a combine out on main street...shoot, they might even ram the Dairy Queen!

Ed[:D]

[billlbeutler]

If you remember someone got a loco moveing and jumped off and the train went through downtown Witchata Ks. and derailed in the middle of the street and went on its side. It took ten years to catch the guys but they got them.

[Allen Jenkins]

With people like this running around, who's worried about the Talabon?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

O-benny is out to strike terrror into the heartland of America...pretty soon, they are going to go after farm equipment...imagine the damage they could do with a combine out on main street...shoot, they might even ram the Dairy Queen!

Ed[:D]

Hey Ed a runaway Case/IH is scary business. Reminds me of that steamroller scene on the movie, "A Fish Called Wanda."

[ChuckCobleigh]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

O-benny is out to strike terrror into the heartland of America...pretty soon, they are going to go after farm equipment...imagine the damage they could do with a combine out on main street...shoot, they might even ram the Dairy Queen!

Ed[:D]

Movies The Hunter (1980) and Prime Cut (1972) come to mind regarding the mischief one can accomplish with a combine. (Although, the combine in Prime Cut was probably a little exaggerated chewing up a Lincoln and spitting it out.)

[edblysard]

Yeah,
But try and sneak one of those suckers into Manhattan....
The point of it all is that the 911 terrorist chose what seemed an un-conventional weapon, until you realize just how mobile and versatile a air craft is, which they demonstrated quite well.

Now, just what can you do with a hijacked locomotive?

The majority of rail in the US is outside heavily populated areas, and I have no doubt you would never get close to a potential industrial or population target…
Remember, the train can only follow the tracks.

[Ham549]

I have a F40Ph manueal that has good info on how to start the train.

[AntonioFP45]

I just remembered that here in Tampa during the 1980s, a couple of teenagers took off with a SCL "Family Lines" locomotive and ran it a few miles. Of course they were caught. Made the newspapers. Apparently the reverser lever was left in the cab.

I do remember that SCL personnel left reverser levers in cabs sometimes and it seemed like no big deal back then. Train crews were friendly towards railfans and I climbed into quite a few cabs.

On one occasion in 1981, an Amtrak F40 was parked and shut down at Tampa Union station by one of the engineers I knew. Later that day, I climbed into the cab and snapped a photo. His reverser lever was dangling on a thin rope tied around the brake lever. Of course, I didn't touch anything on the control stand and climbed off.

Times have sure changed since then!

[Anonymous]

I don't think anyone other than railroad owners need to be too concerned with a "hijacked" or otherwise stolen locomotive. As previously said, the train can only follow the tracks.

The worst that could happen is the locomotive sooner or later derails, causing equipment and possibly property damage, but highly unlikely any human lives would be at risk other than maybe the idiot going for a joy ride.

[zardoz]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Ham549

I have a F40Ph manueal that has good info on how to start the train.

And your point is......?