Hijacked train derails

[zardoz]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Ham549

I have a F40Ph manueal that has good info on how to start the train.

And your point is......?

[Anonymous]

I don't think anyone other than railroad owners need to be too concerned with a "hijacked" or otherwise stolen locomotive. As previously said, the train can only follow the tracks.

The worst that could happen is the locomotive sooner or later derails, causing equipment and possibly property damage, but highly unlikely any human lives would be at risk other than maybe the idiot going for a joy ride.

[AntonioFP45]

I just remembered that here in Tampa during the 1980s, a couple of teenagers took off with a SCL "Family Lines" locomotive and ran it a few miles. Of course they were caught. Made the newspapers. Apparently the reverser lever was left in the cab.

I do remember that SCL personnel left reverser levers in cabs sometimes and it seemed like no big deal back then. Train crews were friendly towards railfans and I climbed into quite a few cabs.

On one occasion in 1981, an Amtrak F40 was parked and shut down at Tampa Union station by one of the engineers I knew. Later that day, I climbed into the cab and snapped a photo. His reverser lever was dangling on a thin rope tied around the brake lever. Of course, I didn't touch anything on the control stand and climbed off.

Times have sure changed since then!

[Ham549]

I have a F40Ph manueal that has good info on how to start the train.

[edblysard]

Yeah,
But try and sneak one of those suckers into Manhattan....
The point of it all is that the 911 terrorist chose what seemed an un-conventional weapon, until you realize just how mobile and versatile a air craft is, which they demonstrated quite well.

Now, just what can you do with a hijacked locomotive?

The majority of rail in the US is outside heavily populated areas, and I have no doubt you would never get close to a potential industrial or population target…
Remember, the train can only follow the tracks.

[ChuckCobleigh]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

O-benny is out to strike terrror into the heartland of America...pretty soon, they are going to go after farm equipment...imagine the damage they could do with a combine out on main street...shoot, they might even ram the Dairy Queen!

Ed[:D]

Movies The Hunter (1980) and Prime Cut (1972) come to mind regarding the mischief one can accomplish with a combine. (Although, the combine in Prime Cut was probably a little exaggerated chewing up a Lincoln and spitting it out.)

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

O-benny is out to strike terrror into the heartland of America...pretty soon, they are going to go after farm equipment...imagine the damage they could do with a combine out on main street...shoot, they might even ram the Dairy Queen!

Ed[:D]

Hey Ed a runaway Case/IH is scary business. Reminds me of that steamroller scene on the movie, "A Fish Called Wanda."

[Allen Jenkins]

With people like this running around, who's worried about the Talabon?

[billlbeutler]

If you remember someone got a loco moveing and jumped off and the train went through downtown Witchata Ks. and derailed in the middle of the street and went on its side. It took ten years to catch the guys but they got them.

[edblysard]

O-benny is out to strike terrror into the heartland of America...pretty soon, they are going to go after farm equipment...imagine the damage they could do with a combine out on main street...shoot, they might even ram the Dairy Queen!

Ed[:D]

[Tharmeni]

This type of thing hapens all the time. When I was with BN, I recall five or six very similar cases. Usually either a juvenile or a homeless person - after all, the cabs are nice and warm.

By the way, this incident does not meet the definiton of a hijacking (taking by force).

Had to smile at the terrorist mentions....I pictured ol' Osama planning the whole incident, sitting in the Afghan mountains with his minions and pointing to a map of Lawrence, Kansas...

[ValleyX]

QUOTE: Originally posted by smattei


Honestly, do you think a terrorist organisation that was able to highjack 4 planes in one hour and crash 3 of the more or less where they wanted would not be able to find an engineer to train them? There are american engines all over the world, including Iran and Irak.... probably not different fron the US ones.
And would they not notice the derailer?

It was surely some person with nothing better to do that make stupid pranks to impress his friends or wathever and that by triing out or having seen it done somewhere (engine rides, friends, chatting , 2.hand manual, wathever...) was able to get it moving. After all, it is not rocket science at least get it moving. Handle well a train can be a different thing.

And for locks: there are people around that are faster opening your car lock with a screw driver (or water they use) that you with the key. Trains will not be so different

sebastiano

Ah, but I've no wi***o be the one accused of discussing on a public forum the procedures used to operate or the procedures used to move or secure a locomotive. As a working railroader, I doubt that I'm quite as anonymous as I wish if someone really wishes to learn who I am and the same probably goes for the rest of you eager to show off your knowledge. Paranoid? Perhaps, but I just can't hardly help myself.

[sebamat]

Honestly, do you think a terrorist organisation that was able to highjack 4 planes in one hour and crash 3 of the more or less where they wanted would not be able to find an engineer to train them? There are american engines all over the world, including Iran and Irak.... probably not different fron the US ones.
And would they not notice the derailer?

It was surely some person with nothing better to do that make stupid pranks to impress his friends or wathever and that by triing out or having seen it done somewhere (engine rides, friends, chatting , 2.hand manual, wathever...) was able to get it moving. After all, it is not rocket science at least get it moving. Handle well a train can be a different thing.

And for locks: there are people around that are faster opening your car lock with a screw driver (or water they use) that you with the key. Trains will not be so different

sebastiano

[coborn35]

QUOTE: Originally posted by DavidPV

QUOTE: Originally posted by Ham549

Hey none of you have any skills to match my RR experience I have both MSTS and Trainz and I have driven a trolley at the museum I volunteer at I have driven it to one end of our longest line to the other a full 1/5 mile. And I am certified to give the general public handcar rides so there. lol

Great answer!

When theres a fight, always try to end it with humour.

By the way, I am a 14 year old student who has had MSTS since it was new and found the cabs are extremely similar to the real ones, considering that during a cab ride 2 years ago when I said "the cab is just like Trainsim", the engineer stopped the CP GP38-2 (3096) I was in and told me to drive. I did not require any help at all and think anyone could figure out how to start a locomotive, especially when the throttle and brake handles are labled numerically. (usually a higher number means more power)

HA, not on your life bud...... Or do you really think merely moving the handles will start the train? Not a chance. And since when are brake handles labeled? Is it like air...more air.......lotsa air......EMERGENCY???? You really need to think before you talk...no offense.
I got nothing against you, im just saying....

[rrandb]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

QUOTE: Originally posted by rrandb

Good at last I found the grown men acting as children chat room. Where should I begin. It must be nice to never have been the FNG Oh yes ..............[D)]

read drfizzix posts. I was a F.N.G but the difference was is that I knew that I was a newbie. This cat popped off and backed it up with silly stuff. It is funny how guys **** off and get offended when they are taken to task on it.

Yes he did. Thank goodness we had you to make things right. Read your own post and see if you both do not sound just a little childish. [V]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by rrandb

Good at last I found the grown men acting as children chat room. Where should I begin. It must be nice to never have been the FNG Oh yes ..............[D)]

read drfizzix posts. I was a F.N.G but the difference was is that I knew that I was a newbie. This cat popped off and backed it up with silly stuff. It is funny how guys **** off and get offended when they are taken to task on it.

[LehighValleyman]

Why the hell are we talking about BIn Laden, what the hell, the guy's stupid enough to cra***wo planes into the world trade center's let alone, MOVE A TIED DOWN LOCOMOTIVE!!! but, may have benn a local person with some experience about jimmyin' control stands or locomotive controls, how knows!?
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Only god does...

[Mookie]

Root Beer and Pretzels in concessions - trackside!

[route_rock]

Zard you have a valid point my man. And David once you get a few things thrown you can move sure ( just like trainsim) But like our Brit friend says there are a few steps always left out of something.
I would love to see a guy come and get our derails down at the service track. Seeings none but the ones guarding the pit want to work! Some old heads said in the old days you got paid for wyeing power. Well I wish it was the old days cause I would have had three turns on one set.All cause the *** derail wouldnt go down.

[Anonymous]

That has been a criticism levelled at Train Sim - in their defence, MS have apparently left out some pretty important details (there's a lot more to moving the real thing than MSTS shows you - I've read some driver's manuals for British DMUs and having driven one in MSTS won't enable you to start the real thing from cold and move it). The gearbox programming was particularly interesting - in MSTS you can change gear without closing the throttle, if you tried that on the real thing they'd be picking bits of transmission up half a mile away!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Ham549

Hey none of you have any skills to match my RR experience I have both MSTS and Trainz and I have driven a trolley at the museum I volunteer at I have driven it to one end of our longest line to the other a full 1/5 mile. And I am certified to give the general public handcar rides so there. lol

Great answer!

When theres a fight, always try to end it with humour.

By the way, I am a 14 year old student who has had MSTS since it was new and found the cabs are extremely similar to the real ones, considering that during a cab ride 2 years ago when I said "the cab is just like Trainsim", the engineer stopped the CP GP38-2 (3096) I was in and told me to drive. I did not require any help at all and think anyone could figure out how to start a locomotive, especially when the throttle and brake handles are labled numerically. (usually a higher number means more power)

[Ham549]

Hey none of you have any skills to match my RR experience I have both MSTS and Trainz and I have driven a trolley at the museum I volunteer at I have driven it to one end of our longest line to the other a full 1/5 mile. And I am certified to give the general public handcar rides so there. lol

[rrandb]

Good at last I found the grown men acting as children chat room. Where should I begin. It must be nice to never have been the FNG Oh yes ..............[D)]

[zardoz]

In my 20 years of railroading, I have seen quite a variety of employees. I have seen guys with 1 years' seniority be able to out-switch some old heads, and I've seen engineers with only a few years experience run trains better than some of the old farts. The variable factors seem to be ambition, dedication, and a willingness to try to be better at what you do each day.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSFrailfan.

This is not a very good sign. A new Video tape from Bin laden today. Who knows.
Allan.

in the midst of the pissing match, i'm posting my rebuttal. i was just being a smartass about it while the fanatics go fanatical.

btw. reading the post about peoples' ages i was suprised by how old some of you actually are. some come off as mature, while others seem very immature.

i have 2 pairs of boxin gloves. class 1's and 3's aside last man standing wins.

[Anonymous]

You popped off and was taken to task on it......that's all.

[Anonymous]

It's not becuase you have an education. You have no time on the job. That's why. You are a F.N.G.

[Anonymous]

I'll end this pissing contest with you now. You are right, You probably do more work on your shortline than I have ever done. Us class 1 guys could learn a thing or two from a shortline newbie. I myself would be embarassed to run my mouth like you do with only 8 mos of time on the RR, but, that's just me. I'm sure that my working in the yards of BNSF's biggest terminal on our system for several years doesn't compare to a days work performed by you and your MODOC groomed switching techniques. I'm sure that the my cert cards that I hold don't even come close to the years of RR experience that 6 very long and intensive weeks at MODOC along with a very rigorous whole 8 mos on the job have given you. I bow in utter disgrace for having a cushy and meaningless Class 1 job when there is so much more to be learned by working in an ultra intense environment like you do. Maybe someday we can get together and you can share all of your RRing experience with me. It probably will all go right over my head anyway.
Kudos to you, Scott. Kudos to you. BTW, with a BS in physics, why pre-tell are you working on the RR and not doing something in your field of study?
(Ed and all of you real shortline rails: this is not directed toward you)

[ValleyX]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX

T

Valley, you probably have work boots with more seniority than I have. Were you aiming that at me?

Actually, I just got a new pair.[:D] Yes, drfizzix, I think this will be 451 posts over not quite five years. There are other things to do, you see.