QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken No problem with railfans. Big problem with stupid statements. Very plainly put in my responses. Are you suggesting that I leave the forum? I have been around here a heck of alot longer than you.
QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken [ As far as these tracking programs that some of you have....they should be banned. Scanners should be banned as well. Our conversations and operations have no concern to you. It is kinda creepy when I have seen guys post ETD freqs. What kinda geek cares about the ETD freqs?
QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSFrailfan. Originally posted by ironken by ChrisBar Chad, You make a good point on the scanner thing if you are a bit time railfan and want to have a heads up for a shot. The thought behind the scanner thing is purely because I thought it was a little creepy. As far as the train tracking set-up that is out there. I still think that software and system is borderline hacking into the RR's signal system, just my opinion. Isn't there a law stateing that anyone who is caught doing this will go to Prison? Allan. Allen, if you mean the scanner thing, that would probably come under an old FCC regulation stating that anything broadcast into the public airways is public domain and anyone can receive and listen to or watch it. Haven't heard that this was ever changed. Ok. I wasn't for sure. Thanks anyway. Allan. Reply Edit TomDiehl Member sinceFebruary 2001 From: Poconos, PA 3,948 posts Posted by TomDiehl on Thursday, December 15, 2005 7:56 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSFrailfan. QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken by ChrisBar Chad, You make a good point on the scanner thing if you are a bit time railfan and want to have a heads up for a shot. The thought behind the scanner thing is purely because I thought it was a little creepy. As far as the train tracking set-up that is out there. I still think that software and system is borderline hacking into the RR's signal system, just my opinion. Isn't there a law stateing that anyone who is caught doing this will go to Prison? Allan. Allen, if you mean the scanner thing, that would probably come under an old FCC regulation stating that anything broadcast into the public airways is public domain and anyone can receive and listen to or watch it. Haven't heard that this was ever changed. Smile, it makes people wonder what you're up to. Chief of Sanitation; Clowntown Reply videomaker Member sinceMay 2005 From: Hewitt,TX. 1,088 posts Posted by videomaker on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:55 PM Lets try this again,Right on mehrlich ! I agree with you ... Danny Reply videomaker Member sinceMay 2005 From: Hewitt,TX. 1,088 posts Posted by videomaker on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:50 PM Right on mehelich ! I agree with you ! Danny Reply csmith9474 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Colorado Springs, CO 3,590 posts Posted by csmith9474 on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:47 PM I think a mojority of railroad employees are great folks that are sympathetic to our hobby, if they aren't railfans themselves. Smitty Reply AlcoRS11Nut Member sinceJuly 2002 From: Stevens Point 436 posts Posted by AlcoRS11Nut on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:24 PM couple things.....one i was in the powder river basin video tapeing and photographing coal train, and here comes a BNSF truck (thinking "oh boy...im done now"), the BNSF guy stops and asks me what im doing (i naturally tell him) but the twist is he asks me if i was going to be there a while so he could run up to Alliance Yard and bring back some "BNSF stuff" for me, and gives me areas to go!!!! A RR employee actually helped me....after he left i was dumbfounded. Secondly...I will never stop railfanning...cause i have NOTHING TO HIDE!!!!! I love the smell of ALCo smoke in the Morning. "Long live the 251!!!" I miss the GBW and my favorite uncle is Uncle Pete. Uncle Pete eats Space Noodles for breakfast. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:32 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken by ChrisBar Chad, You make a good point on the scanner thing if you are a bit time railfan and want to have a heads up for a shot. The thought behind the scanner thing is purely because I thought it was a little creepy. As far as the train tracking set-up that is out there. I still think that software and system is borderline hacking into the RR's signal system, just my opinion. Isn't there a law stateing that anyone who is caught doing this will go to Prison? Allan. Reply Edit vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:31 PM Mmmm...popcorn Have fun with your trains Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:13 PM by ChrisBar "This is a free exchange of ideas and knowledge. I do not read this forum to be called stupid. I take offense to you calling me stupid or my ideas stupid." Read the first sentence of your first post again. You came off agressively and got treated with agression. Nobody said that you were stupid. I said that statement was stupid and I maintain that. Chad, You make a good point on the scanner thing if you are a bit time railfan and want to have a heads up for a shot. The thought behind the scanner thing is purely because I thought it was a little creepy. As far as the train tracking set-up that is out there. I still think that software and system is borderline hacking into the RR's signal system, just my opinion. Reply Edit blhanel Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: Cedar Rapids, IA 4,213 posts Posted by blhanel on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:08 PM Do you suppose it was submitted by the suspicious guy in Texas?[:D] Brian (IA) http://blhanel.rrpicturearchives.net. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:52 PM by the way one of the top pics of the day on railpics is a BNSF engineer taking picture back from the railfan taking a pic Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:45 PM No problem, you can take over. It's been a long day and I am done. Goodnight all. Reply canazar Member sinceAugust 2004 From: Phoenix, Arizona 1,989 posts Posted by canazar on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:43 PM [:D] Thanks for that. Best Regards, Big John Kiva Valley Railway- Freelanced road in central Arizona. Visit the link to see my MR forum thread on The Building of the Whitton Branch on the Kiva Valley Railway Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:38 PM John, quote me and cut and paste the line below: it's a link from another site. Reply canazar Member sinceAugust 2004 From: Phoenix, Arizona 1,989 posts Posted by canazar on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:35 PM Ok fine, [:(!], Ill bite, how the heck do you "make" popcorn? I cant find the character. Maybe I dont have enough stars?[^] Best Regards, Big John Kiva Valley Railway- Freelanced road in central Arizona. Visit the link to see my MR forum thread on The Building of the Whitton Branch on the Kiva Valley Railway Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:33 PM Voice of Marvin the manicly depressed robot-"here I am, brain the size of a planet and they have me making popcorn". [:(] Reply canazar Member sinceAugust 2004 From: Phoenix, Arizona 1,989 posts Posted by canazar on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:31 PM Got butter? Guess I picked a good to stay home[:-^] sick Best Regards, Big John Kiva Valley Railway- Freelanced road in central Arizona. Visit the link to see my MR forum thread on The Building of the Whitton Branch on the Kiva Valley Railway Reply CSXrules4eva Member sinceAugust 2004 From: Louisville, KY 1,345 posts Posted by CSXrules4eva on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:28 PM I think I'm going to need two bags of pop corn, the kind with the chesse please. LORD HELP US ALL TO BE ORIGINAL AND NOT CRISPY!!! please? Sarah J.M. Warner conductor CSX Reply canazar Member sinceAugust 2004 From: Phoenix, Arizona 1,989 posts Posted by canazar on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:25 PM Wow, PB, ever think about De-caff? Unfortunatly, and I hate to single you out, but you realizeing it or not, make a bad case for honest rails fans. In the last 2 years since I have kinda got hooked into ths whole railfan thing, (mostly cause my son and who is 5) I have not had a problem... In all honesty, maybe we get out and go "train hunting" every couple of months but in those times lets see here.... We have wandered around one of the mainyards down here (after hours) half dozen times and never been hassled, let alone stopped. At another yard, the yardmaster gave us a tour of Dash 9. At our local industry stop, the crews there have invited us up 2 twice, been intied intot he crew office 3 times, gotten latern, arm bands, glasses, ear plugs, and water (I admit, it was all for the kid, but still [:p]_ it was cool They let us wander more or less were ever we want. Take all the pictures we could ask for. I have had crewman comeout to the landing.... just to say hi. Some of them even took the time to tell me better spots for rail fanning or where this line went, who was getting what. So, if this what railfanning is coming down too..... [:)] I'll take it Best Regards, Big John Kiva Valley Railway- Freelanced road in central Arizona. Visit the link to see my MR forum thread on The Building of the Whitton Branch on the Kiva Valley Railway Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:20 PM I knew we kept you around here for a reason, Chad. [;)] -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:09 PM Here you go guys. Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:06 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith Who's got the popcorn machine? Dang...I put it in storage. Haven't needed it in awhile. Let's see...where did I put it now?... -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 4:54 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith Who's got the popcorn machine? Sorry Vic, I deleted my smart-a response I...I...I just don't know what came over me....must have been all the angry smilies. Hey, if it's an angry smilie do you call it a frownie, or a meanie, what? mike Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 4:54 PM Hey Ironken, I'm not trying to start a fight. When I first read your post about scaners,atcs monitors,ect. my first reaction was what a jerk. I refrained from responding immediatly because it probably would have gone south from there. Now after thinking about it I can kinda understand where you are comming from. But when it comes down to it what is the differance between someone up to no good having a scanner or not? If someone is up to no good they are going to do there damage reguardless of what you guys are talking about. I myself don't pay attention to the scanner unless it's a detector going off or warrants being given out. I like the heads up so I can position myself accordingly for photos (if I'm taking pix). Where I railfan that warning is valuable as sometimes it takes several minuets to move to a good location (multiple tracks) for that approaching train. Now I am well aware that there are a lot of idiot railfans out there giving us a bad name but would banning scanners really do any good. After all idiots will be idiots, scanner equipt or not. And as far as the terrorist angle goes if somebody wants to listen to the RR radios there are many other ways to listen in if you don't have a scanner (any single sideband radio that covers the 160-161 range will work). And even if you had a secure channel a terrorist out to do harn can surely come up with a spotter and use cell phones to see you comming. Would you please explain yourself a little more? BTW- I don't intentionaly tresspass without permission, And I have given crewmembers rides a couple of times and it was because I had a scanner that I knew they needed a ride.[;)] Reply ChrisBARailfan Member sinceApril 2005 From: Kansas City, MO 100 posts Posted by ChrisBARailfan on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 4:46 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken QUOTE: Originally posted by ChrisBARailfan Originally posted by ironken Scanners should be banned as well. Our conversations and operations have no concern to you. You know what, if your operations and conversations were that important I think the railroads would spring for 800 Mhz encrypted trunk frequencies like the police and other law enforcement agencies use. You know what, that was a stupid statement! If our conversations are so unimportant as you elude to, then riddle me this. Why do you guys listen to them? The conversations are important to the safe movement of freight. Ever heard of Hazmat? You are from KCMO. I know it well. Put some hazmat on the ground near Kemper or in a more residential area and see what happens. This is a free exchange of ideas and knowledge. I do not read this forum to be called stupid. I take offense to you calling me stupid or my ideas stupid. I have never listened to a railroad frequency in my life. I railfan in spots where one is not necessary, so I can not answer why people listen to them but others on this post have answered. I never meant to say that your conversations are unimportant, but I do use a radio everyday at my work and could care less who listens to me. If you want to listen to my frequency than heck I will give it to you. My point was that banning scanners will not do any good to those actually willing to do harm to a railroad. I agree that communication is critical to the safe transport of all freight, not just hazmat, and I live within a mile of both NSs Avondale Yard BNSFs Murray yard so wrecks are of great concern to me personally. I just want to know how banning scanners or even encrypting railroad communication would further the goal of a secure infrastructure? Reply vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 4:40 PM Who's got the popcorn machine? Have fun with your trains Reply PBenham Member sinceJuly 2005 From: In the New York Soviet Socialist Republic! 1,391 posts Posted by PBenham on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 4:19 PM You simply cannot sit trackside legally or illegally without the possibility of some[censored] deciding to[censored]you! [:(!]The posters that have proclaimed the 9/11 MURDERERS Victors in the war are, sadly, right as rain! The Northeast, where I am residing is about as bad as you can find for railfans, but there are no limits as to where we might be hassled by hostile employees. They get excuses made for them because WE are in the wrong place. THAT can be helped, by paying attention to where we are, and knowing it is OK to be there. BUT there are Police that can't handle people whose behavior is outside their "box". These[censored][censored][censored][banghead][banghead][*^_^*]are a serious problem that has to be dealt with by people(railfans ) with the wherewithal to challange this [censored]in court! IF they lose to us then we can relax, BUT!! As sad as you might consider the times we live in now, things can get worse, and there is nothing we can do about it ![banghead][*^_^*] Welcome to the Evil Empire USA. Perhaps we can go to work for the terrorists, since they promise more than the so-called protectors of freedom. Sorry, freedom is dead for the most part for railfans and it need not be so. Fight the FEAR, RAILFAN, RAILFAN and Do it until we are all in jail! They cannot win if every one is smart and prepared to go to the courts and appeal every defeat. [xx(] I do not have the$$ to fight this but, who can stand up and help us? Sadly, I'd warn you to not hold your breath. Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSFrailfan. Originally posted by ironken by ChrisBar Chad, You make a good point on the scanner thing if you are a bit time railfan and want to have a heads up for a shot. The thought behind the scanner thing is purely because I thought it was a little creepy. As far as the train tracking set-up that is out there. I still think that software and system is borderline hacking into the RR's signal system, just my opinion. Isn't there a law stateing that anyone who is caught doing this will go to Prison? Allan. Allen, if you mean the scanner thing, that would probably come under an old FCC regulation stating that anything broadcast into the public airways is public domain and anyone can receive and listen to or watch it. Haven't heard that this was ever changed.
Originally posted by ironken by ChrisBar Chad, You make a good point on the scanner thing if you are a bit time railfan and want to have a heads up for a shot. The thought behind the scanner thing is purely because I thought it was a little creepy. As far as the train tracking set-up that is out there. I still think that software and system is borderline hacking into the RR's signal system, just my opinion.
QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSFrailfan. QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken by ChrisBar Chad, You make a good point on the scanner thing if you are a bit time railfan and want to have a heads up for a shot. The thought behind the scanner thing is purely because I thought it was a little creepy. As far as the train tracking set-up that is out there. I still think that software and system is borderline hacking into the RR's signal system, just my opinion. Isn't there a law stateing that anyone who is caught doing this will go to Prison? Allan.
QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken by ChrisBar Chad, You make a good point on the scanner thing if you are a bit time railfan and want to have a heads up for a shot. The thought behind the scanner thing is purely because I thought it was a little creepy. As far as the train tracking set-up that is out there. I still think that software and system is borderline hacking into the RR's signal system, just my opinion.
Have fun with your trains
Brian (IA) http://blhanel.rrpicturearchives.net.
Best Regards, Big John
Kiva Valley Railway- Freelanced road in central Arizona. Visit the link to see my MR forum thread on The Building of the Whitton Branch on the Kiva Valley Railway
-ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith Who's got the popcorn machine?
QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken QUOTE: Originally posted by ChrisBARailfan Originally posted by ironken Scanners should be banned as well. Our conversations and operations have no concern to you. You know what, if your operations and conversations were that important I think the railroads would spring for 800 Mhz encrypted trunk frequencies like the police and other law enforcement agencies use. You know what, that was a stupid statement! If our conversations are so unimportant as you elude to, then riddle me this. Why do you guys listen to them? The conversations are important to the safe movement of freight. Ever heard of Hazmat? You are from KCMO. I know it well. Put some hazmat on the ground near Kemper or in a more residential area and see what happens. This is a free exchange of ideas and knowledge. I do not read this forum to be called stupid. I take offense to you calling me stupid or my ideas stupid. I have never listened to a railroad frequency in my life. I railfan in spots where one is not necessary, so I can not answer why people listen to them but others on this post have answered. I never meant to say that your conversations are unimportant, but I do use a radio everyday at my work and could care less who listens to me. If you want to listen to my frequency than heck I will give it to you. My point was that banning scanners will not do any good to those actually willing to do harm to a railroad. I agree that communication is critical to the safe transport of all freight, not just hazmat, and I live within a mile of both NSs Avondale Yard BNSFs Murray yard so wrecks are of great concern to me personally. I just want to know how banning scanners or even encrypting railroad communication would further the goal of a secure infrastructure? Reply vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 4:40 PM Who's got the popcorn machine? Have fun with your trains Reply PBenham Member sinceJuly 2005 From: In the New York Soviet Socialist Republic! 1,391 posts Posted by PBenham on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 4:19 PM You simply cannot sit trackside legally or illegally without the possibility of some[censored] deciding to[censored]you! [:(!]The posters that have proclaimed the 9/11 MURDERERS Victors in the war are, sadly, right as rain! The Northeast, where I am residing is about as bad as you can find for railfans, but there are no limits as to where we might be hassled by hostile employees. They get excuses made for them because WE are in the wrong place. THAT can be helped, by paying attention to where we are, and knowing it is OK to be there. BUT there are Police that can't handle people whose behavior is outside their "box". These[censored][censored][censored][banghead][banghead][*^_^*]are a serious problem that has to be dealt with by people(railfans ) with the wherewithal to challange this [censored]in court! IF they lose to us then we can relax, BUT!! As sad as you might consider the times we live in now, things can get worse, and there is nothing we can do about it ![banghead][*^_^*] Welcome to the Evil Empire USA. Perhaps we can go to work for the terrorists, since they promise more than the so-called protectors of freedom. Sorry, freedom is dead for the most part for railfans and it need not be so. Fight the FEAR, RAILFAN, RAILFAN and Do it until we are all in jail! They cannot win if every one is smart and prepared to go to the courts and appeal every defeat. [xx(] I do not have the$$ to fight this but, who can stand up and help us? Sadly, I'd warn you to not hold your breath. Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken QUOTE: Originally posted by ChrisBARailfan Originally posted by ironken Scanners should be banned as well. Our conversations and operations have no concern to you. You know what, if your operations and conversations were that important I think the railroads would spring for 800 Mhz encrypted trunk frequencies like the police and other law enforcement agencies use. You know what, that was a stupid statement! If our conversations are so unimportant as you elude to, then riddle me this. Why do you guys listen to them? The conversations are important to the safe movement of freight. Ever heard of Hazmat? You are from KCMO. I know it well. Put some hazmat on the ground near Kemper or in a more residential area and see what happens.
QUOTE: Originally posted by ChrisBARailfan Originally posted by ironken Scanners should be banned as well. Our conversations and operations have no concern to you. You know what, if your operations and conversations were that important I think the railroads would spring for 800 Mhz encrypted trunk frequencies like the police and other law enforcement agencies use.
Originally posted by ironken Scanners should be banned as well. Our conversations and operations have no concern to you.
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