Interesting Little Incident On The BNSF

[csmith9474]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

Yep, without foamers, the BNSF wouldn't exist and I would be out of a job. A great big thank you to all of the railfans that secure my job.........

If you have a problem with railfans, what are you doing on this forum.

[Anonymous]

No problem with railfans. Big problem with stupid statements. Very plainly put in my responses. Are you suggesting that I leave the forum? I have been around here a heck of alot longer than you.

[csmith9474]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

No problem with railfans. Big problem with stupid statements. Very plainly put in my responses. Are you suggesting that I leave the forum? I have been around here a heck of alot longer than you.

I am not trying to pick a fight, nor am I suggesting you leave the forum. And how long anybody has been on this forum has very little signifigance. It just seemed that you were lumping together anybody with a scanner and a camera, shooting trains, as a "foamer", which is somewhat derogatory to many folks. I myself am just happy seeing trains from a safe distance on public property, especially when my children are with me. I apologize for offending you.

[Anonymous]

No problem here. Everythings cool in Chinatown. I got my hairs up at a couple of these posts that are crap.

[csmith9474]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

No problem here. Everythings cool in Chinatown. I got my hairs up at a couple of these posts that are crap.

Hope it wasn't me. Sorry man.[:)] I volunteered at a railroad museum with an operating railroad and had many problems with "foamers". I hated catching them in the carbarn near the pit or climbing under our pax cars for that perfect shot. If they got hurt.....well, you know.

[Anonymous]

csmith, wasn't you at all. I just get a little burned up when some railfans act like it is their Constitutional right to come on the property, etc. If you like railfanning, cool. But Fort Worth can give a rip if they p.o. some railfans. Some guys are cool, don't trespass and in some cases have given guys rides back to the head end. I have on a few occasions B.S.ed with some railfans and had fun doing it. Some of the cats on this forum get a little millitant about the hobby and need to put into perspective. It's other peoples equipment and property and unless thay are off of the property, they are at the compnaies/employees mercy.

[csmith9474]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

csmith, wasn't you at all. I just get a little burned up when some railfans act like it is their Constitutional right to come on the property, etc. If you like railfanning, cool. But Fort Worth can give a rip if they p.o. some railfans. Some guys are cool, don't trespass and in some cases have given guys rides back to the head end. I have on a few occasions B.S.ed with some railfans and had fun doing it. Some of the cats on this forum get a little millitant about the hobby and need to put into perspective. It's other peoples equipment and property and unless thay are off of the property, they are at the compnaies/employees mercy.

I know the types you are talking about. It isn't your god given right to impose yourself on the railroad. Some do need a life outside of this hobby. Fortunately I do most of my railfanning on an Air Force Base, so I don't have to deal with much BS like that.

[PBenham]

You simply cannot sit trackside legally or illegally without the possibility of some[censored] deciding to[censored]you! [:(!]The posters that have proclaimed the 9/11 MURDERERS Victors in the war are, sadly, right as rain! The Northeast, where I am residing is about as bad as you can find for railfans, but there are no limits as to where we might be hassled by hostile employees. They get excuses made for them because WE are in the wrong place. THAT can be helped, by paying attention to where we are, and knowing it is OK to be there. BUT there are Police that can't handle people whose behavior is outside their "box". These[censored][censored][censored][banghead][banghead][*^_^*]are a serious problem that has to be dealt with by people(railfans ) with the wherewithal to challange this [censored]in court! IF they lose to us then we can relax, BUT!! As sad as you might consider the times we live in now, things can get worse, and there is nothing we can do about it ![banghead][*^_^*] Welcome to the Evil Empire USA. Perhaps we can go to work for the terrorists, since they promise more than the so-called protectors of freedom. Sorry, freedom is dead for the most part for railfans and it need not be so. Fight the FEAR, RAILFAN, RAILFAN and Do it until we are all in jail! They cannot win if every one is smart and prepared to go to the courts and appeal every defeat. [xx(] I do not have the$$ to fight this but, who can stand up and help us? Sadly, I'd warn you to not hold your breath.

[vsmith]

Who's got the popcorn machine?

[ChrisBARailfan]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

QUOTE: Originally posted by ChrisBARailfan

Originally posted by ironken

Scanners should be banned as well. Our conversations and operations have no concern to you.

You know what, if your operations and conversations were that important I think the railroads would spring for 800 Mhz encrypted trunk frequencies like the police and other law enforcement agencies use.

You know what, that was a stupid statement! If our conversations are so unimportant as you elude to, then riddle me this. Why do you guys listen to them? The conversations are important to the safe movement of freight. Ever heard of Hazmat? You are from KCMO. I know it well. Put some hazmat on the ground near Kemper or in a more residential area and see what happens.

This is a free exchange of ideas and knowledge. I do not read this forum to be called stupid. I take offense to you calling me stupid or my ideas stupid.

I have never listened to a railroad frequency in my life. I railfan in spots where one is not necessary, so I can not answer why people listen to them but others on this post have answered.

I never meant to say that your conversations are unimportant, but I do use a radio everyday at my work and could care less who listens to me. If you want to listen to my frequency than heck I will give it to you. My point was that banning scanners will not do any good to those actually willing to do harm to a railroad.

I agree that communication is critical to the safe transport of all freight, not just hazmat, and I live within a mile of both NSs Avondale Yard BNSFs Murray yard so wrecks are of great concern to me personally. I just want to know how banning scanners or even encrypting railroad communication would further the goal of a secure infrastructure?

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