QUOTE: Originally posted by MichaelSol The wheat producers who were located the farthest from the market, offering a poorer quality wheat, got the better profit, entirely because of railroad policy.
QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton The problem was the land was not too great, the growing season was fairly short, and the primary markets for the products were far away. Something like Montana.
QUOTE: Originally posted by MP173 So a Montana acre in 2004 produced $124.55 in revenue. That acre is worth $386 per acre, so the revenue per acre/asset value per acre ratio is .32. The Illinois farm valued at $2425 produces about $350 (based on 175 bushels of corn @ $2) for a ratio of .14. The typical Montana farm generated $266,412 in revenue in 2004, much higher than I would have thought. The farm would have been valued in excess of $800,000.
QUOTE: The problem was the land was not too great, the growing season was fairly short, and the primary markets for the products were far away. Something like Montana.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal Yep, just post something about railroad rate gouging, and the ilks will slither up from the cesspool of arrogant idiocy.
QUOTE: Originally posted by MichaelSol Well, this is pasted from an Excel Spreadsheet, but if you place these back into EXcel and then graph these, you will see that Montana and North Dakota wheat is one the few railroad items which has increased in shipping costs under Staggers, rather than benefitted from the huge drop in cost per ton-mile enjoyed by most other rail shippers, even as the price of wheat at Great Falls has stayed below $3.50 per bushel and even as operating costs are 375% higher in 2005 than they were in 1975. National Average 0.063 0.039 0.0295 0.024 MT Cost to ship/ton-mile 0.023 0.028 0.034 0.038 Cost to ship/carload 1800 2268 2736 3066 Distance 870 870 870 870 Price of wheat 2.67 3.47 2.74 3.31 1975 1985 1995 2005 Best regards, Michael Sol
QUOTE: Originally posted by MP173 Thanks for the info. Any idea of what a typical acre of land is worth? It will be interesting to plug the numbers in and compare to farms in this area.
QUOTE: Originally posted by MP173 I simply want to know this...what does a car of wheat cost, how many bushels in a car (I despite an MBA can then do the math to determine bushel cost) and then look at the cost of wheat and figure what the transportation costs are.
QUOTE: Small farmers virtually died twenty years ago after the credit crunch in the early 1980s. They are usefull when agri-business is after a political payoff such as a subsidy from the local evil railroad.
QUOTE: Originally posted by MP173 I am very interested in the economics of the Montana wheat farmers, so I am really looking forward to your answers to the questions I posed.
QUOTE: Originally posted by DaveBr Gentlemen,You have your Montana farmers trying to survive with the railroads.Have any one heard the full scoop on the Oregon farmers and the water they will be able to get? I understand it's going to be a fight between the Salmon coming upstream and the farmers trying to irrigate their land? At Klamath Falls DaveBr.
QUOTE: Originally posted by MP173 Now, do me a favor. I could probably do it, but we have brilliant minds on this discussion that could do this in a fraction of the time I could. What is a typical rate (today) from Montana to a major market for a unit train of wheat? How many bushels will that unit train hold and how much per bushel will the transportation cost? What is the price for a bushel of Montana wheat (today). What has it historically been? How much was it 1 year ago, 5 years ago, 10 years ago? What is the size of an average farm in Montana (or is referred to as a ranch?). What is value of that farm (value per acre)? How does that compare to 1 year ago, 5 years ago, 10 years ago?
QUOTE: Originally posted by Nuclearwinter QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal Note to NuclearWinter: You can edit the topic title to get rid of the "Framers" misspelling and replace it with the proper "Farmers" spelling, unless "Framers" really was your intent? Do it, if for no other reason than to make the subsequent "framers" references look just plain stupid. Actually I did that at 6 in the morning, my bad will change it now :)
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal Note to NuclearWinter: You can edit the topic title to get rid of the "Framers" misspelling and replace it with the proper "Farmers" spelling, unless "Framers" really was your intent? Do it, if for no other reason than to make the subsequent "framers" references look just plain stupid.
QUOTE: Originally posted by MP173 I would be the USOC group would be a pretty political group, not unlike the diverse opinions found here.
QUOTE: Originally posted by MP173 What is the USOC and NGB? Too bad about the book. Saunders did a great job with that book. It is a book that actually could have been bigger. I am hoping he is following up on a third such book. I will call him today and see if he is.
QUOTE: Originally posted by MP173 BTW...speaking of BP, their ROE is 20.5%, NS's is 13.6%. Easy to ***, when your supplier is making all that money, isnt it. ed
QUOTE: Originally posted by MP173 BTW, how did you like Merging Lines? I would highly recommend the followup book Main Lines. But, I didnt understand your comment about "petty and childish behavior." Please explain.
QUOTE: Ed writes: I personally like captive customers. It enables me to make good margins. That is the goal.
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