QUOTE: Originally posted by oltmannd Antigates - I'm with you on this one. There is a difference between justice and vengance and vengance doesn't belong to us. Any Christian ought to know that. I will admit it's hard not to give in to our sadistic nature, though, but that's no excuse. That's part of the reason we have laws instead of mob rule (mob rule would be democracy in action, no?)
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates If the guy is to be put ro death, then put him out swiftly, and be over with it.
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
QUOTE: Originally posted by equinox Agreed 100%. Especially when the conviction is based solely on "witnesses" and not hard evidence. But the lower life form that caused this wreck did it deliberately. How can you possibly even consider lieniency? Would you feel so generous if he had used an AK-47 and shot all those people? He just used a different weapon; the result was the same.
QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer [i] Why would'nt we want to see that[xx(]? The point is, "pack mentality" fiending to want to see the accused suffer maximally, is barbaric. If the guy is to be put ro death, then put him out swiftly, and be over with it. Torturing some guy to death as punishment just so a bunch of sadistic hacks can thrill over it is not something i want to be a part of the society I claim to be a member of. I equate that type of mentality with the sort of folks who shove cherry bombs up cats rears and kick dogs to death with their new steel toe boots, "just to break them in" No thank you!! Side point being, you don't have to be guilty to be convicted in this country, accidents happen all the time. now, i'm sure this guy in California is guilty...no doubt' but, if we as a people devise a buncha sick "death by torture" penalties, under the assumption that only the guilty are convicted, and the guilty deserve whatever we can dream up .....what about the innocents who are wrongly convicted? Do they need to suffer maximally too? Suppose I was a real sneaky guy, killed my neighbor, and managed to get the police to believe you did it? And, once suspicion was on you, it only serves my best interest to swear I saw you do it...but poor you, you were home alone that night so you have no credible alibi. You get convicted, sentanced to death, and do you really wanna have to die in the most painful means possible, just so a buncha sadistic malcontents can pat each other on the back and exclaim "bo-ay..he shurrre got his'n,..huh?"...neither would I. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:10 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates Try sitting in the defendants chair for something you absolutely didn't do, while realizing that not a dam person on earth believes you, or even cares that you are innocent, then tell me how sharp your sense of humor is feeling. The pack mentality for conviction is an ugly emotion, not at all something good, or even funny. I realize that is different from the guy in California, but still I don't think that justice is anything to be taken lightly...... Lets not forget how justified the judge, jury, and executioners felt back in Salem. Agreed 100%. Especially when the conviction is based solely on "witnesses" and not hard evidence. But the lower life form that caused this wreck did it deliberately. How can you possibly even consider lieniency? Would you feel so generous if he had used an AK-47 and shot all those people? He just used a different weapon; the result was the same. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:52 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan I am personally partial to the ancient ways. Beheading by a master swordsman. Televised on prime time. Talk about your "reality" programming..... Reply Edit Train Guy 3 Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Anywhere there are trains 578 posts Posted by Train Guy 3 on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:07 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by railfan619 Your right TG we should sit him on a set of train tracks down where you live or up in my neck of the woods you know where the CP runs or even When the Empire builder comes though then he could feel what a train feels like when it hits him at oh say 95 or 100 mph then it would be one less person sitting on death row [:D][:D][:D] Well if you've been convicted of murder and are gonna be executed that Empire Builder is a much faster death that the electric chair or lethal injection.... I think California might still use the gas chamber... but anyway the train option would be a much quicker way to go. And we'll spend less tax dollars to keep him on death row. TG3 LOOK ! LISTEN ! LIVE ! Remember the 3. Reply railfan619 Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Somewhere near the tracks 927 posts Posted by railfan619 on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:43 PM Your right TG we should sit him on a set of train tracks down where you live or up in my neck of the woods you know where the CP runs or even When the Empire builder comes though then he could feel what a train feels like when it hits him at oh say 95 or 100 mph then it would be one less person sitting on death row [:D][:D][:D] Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:39 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates Just my opinion, but some of you guys are over the edge with your own selves. Just because some jerk is beside himself with sadistic insanity, is NO REASON whatsoeverr for all of society to lower itself to that same LOW level. If the accused is to be euthanized and LAWFULLY convicted, then they need to be put to death in the most painless, efficient method possible. And we DON'T need to devize threatrically horrendous means to kill them strictly for the amusement value of the sidwalk superintendants of the world. If you are that addicted to theatre than I suggest you move to Greece (and join the navy, rofl) Remember, innocent men are still convicted, and that could include any one of us. In the even that it did, the one saving grace might be that at least the means of putting you out would entail minimal suffering. That last think you'd wanna see is a bunch of guys wringing their hands in anticipation saying they were going to peel the guy with pliers then roll him in salt before drowining him in a vat of beer barf.. Why would'nt we want to see that[xx(]? Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply SchemerBob Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Northeast Missouri 869 posts Posted by SchemerBob on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:34 PM I think someone here wants this guy to go free no mater what. I STILL do not think someone could do something like this by accident. I know it COULD happen but geez...he wrecked two commuter trains. Didn't they say he tried to stab himself before he drove onto the tracks? And I don't believe he "forgot" his car was on the tracks...not even for one second. By the way, did he say he didn't mean to do it? He said he didn't want to kill anyone, yes, but he DIDN'T say it was an accident. Long live the BNSF .... AND its paint scheme. SchemerBob Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 29, 2005 11:24 PM Try sitting in the defendants chair for something you absolutely didn't do, while realizing that not a dam person on earth believes you, or even cares that you are innocent, then tell me how sharp your sense of humor is feeling. The pack mentality for conviction is an ugly emotion, not at all something good, or even funny. I realize that is different from the guy in California, but still I don't think that justice is anything to be taken lightly...... Lets not forget how justified the judge, jury, and executioners felt back in Salem. Reply Edit SchemerBob Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Northeast Missouri 869 posts Posted by SchemerBob on Monday, August 29, 2005 9:36 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by SchemerBob QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer I've always thought that a murderer should be executed the same way he killed his victims! Interesting idea. We could sit him on the track in Baring Missouri just as the Southwest Chief comes through at 90 miles an hour...[^][^][^] NO! Really! I was serious! If we let these guys get away with stuff they'll probably just do it again sooner or later. Sure, he may have not meant to do it, but remember, HE DID! Long live the BNSF .... AND its paint scheme. SchemerBob Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 29, 2005 9:20 PM Quick everyone...hide your sense of humor. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 29, 2005 9:16 PM Just my opinion, but some of you guys are over the edge with your own selves. Just because some jerk is beside himself with sadistic insanity, is NO REASON whatsoeverr for all of society to lower itself to that same LOW level. If the accused is to be euthanized and LAWFULLY convicted, then they need to be put to death in the most painless, efficient method possible. And we DON'T need to devize threatrically horrendous means to kill them strictly for the amusement value of the sidwalk superintendants of the world. If you are that addicted to theatre than I suggest you move to Greece (and join the navy, rofl) Remember, innocent men are still convicted, and that could include any one of us. In the even that it did, the one saving grace might be that at least the means of putting you out would entail minimal suffering. That last think you'd wanna see is a bunch of guys wringing their hands in anticipation saying they were going to peel the guy with pliers then roll him in salt before drowining him in a vat of beer barf.. Reply Edit Train Guy 3 Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Anywhere there are trains 578 posts Posted by Train Guy 3 on Monday, August 29, 2005 9:02 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer I've always thought that a murderer should be executed the same way he killed his victims! TG will second that motion![8] TG3 LOOK ! LISTEN ! LIVE ! Remember the 3. Reply SchemerBob Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Northeast Missouri 869 posts Posted by SchemerBob on Monday, August 29, 2005 8:59 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer I've always thought that a murderer should be executed the same way he killed his victims! Interesting idea. We could sit him on the track in Baring Missouri just as the Southwest Chief comes through at 90 miles an hour...[^][^][^] Long live the BNSF .... AND its paint scheme. SchemerBob Reply Junctionfan Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: St.Catharines, Ontario 3,770 posts Posted by Junctionfan on Monday, August 29, 2005 8:52 PM I am personally partial to the ancient ways. Beheading by a master swordsman. Andrew Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 29, 2005 8:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear Too bad they don't still have the electric chair... LC Waste of electricity. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 29, 2005 8:16 PM Too bad they don't still have the electric chair... LC Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 29, 2005 8:11 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer It wasn't a suicide attempt! The idiot was trying to impress his girlfriend[:(!][:(!][:(!]! I guess he did!!!!! Reply Edit espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, August 29, 2005 7:59 PM I've always thought that a murderer should be executed the same way he killed his victims! Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply samfp1943 Member sinceJune 2003 From: South Central,Ks 7,170 posts Posted by samfp1943 on Monday, August 29, 2005 7:56 PM According to MSN's news, he had doused the vehicle with gas before he drove it onto the tracks, and then ran away, he should be accorded the same fate as those people he killed, I think he should be executed painfully, and slowly..But I guess since that is California, stupidity will have its own reward, some smooth mouth lawyer will get him some time in prison and then he will be released early, as rehibilitated... Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, August 29, 2005 7:17 PM It wasn't a suicide attempt! The idiot was trying to impress his girlfriend[:(!][:(!][:(!]! Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 29, 2005 7:05 PM The newswire article stated that prosecutors were seeking the death penalty. Not surprisingly, the defense attorney said the death penalty was inappropriate "in his opinion" because the wreck occurred due to an aborted suicide attempt. This is pretty normal pre-trial wrangling going on. What this tells me is that the District Attorney is not going to cut a deal for a guilty plea... and that the Defense Attorney would really, really like to plead his client out to a lesser series of charges. (11 counts of murder in the first degree is a pretty big set of charges to try and defend against.) Erik Reply Edit railfan619 Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Somewhere near the tracks 927 posts SO WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK Posted by railfan619 on Monday, August 29, 2005 6:50 PM I just read on the trains news wire that proscatuers are going to try to give. The guy that killed 11 people in that derailment back on. Jan 26 when he drove on to the train tracks and then decided not to die but frogot to move his truck before a southbound mertolink train came and struckit sending that train in to a parled Up train and then sending that into a northbound metrolink train. But he said that he did not mean to kill anyone when he did this. So now what does everybody else thinks about this news. Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
[i] Why would'nt we want to see that[xx(]?
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates Try sitting in the defendants chair for something you absolutely didn't do, while realizing that not a dam person on earth believes you, or even cares that you are innocent, then tell me how sharp your sense of humor is feeling. The pack mentality for conviction is an ugly emotion, not at all something good, or even funny. I realize that is different from the guy in California, but still I don't think that justice is anything to be taken lightly...... Lets not forget how justified the judge, jury, and executioners felt back in Salem.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan I am personally partial to the ancient ways. Beheading by a master swordsman.
QUOTE: Originally posted by railfan619 Your right TG we should sit him on a set of train tracks down where you live or up in my neck of the woods you know where the CP runs or even When the Empire builder comes though then he could feel what a train feels like when it hits him at oh say 95 or 100 mph then it would be one less person sitting on death row [:D][:D][:D]
TG3 LOOK ! LISTEN ! LIVE ! Remember the 3.
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates Just my opinion, but some of you guys are over the edge with your own selves. Just because some jerk is beside himself with sadistic insanity, is NO REASON whatsoeverr for all of society to lower itself to that same LOW level. If the accused is to be euthanized and LAWFULLY convicted, then they need to be put to death in the most painless, efficient method possible. And we DON'T need to devize threatrically horrendous means to kill them strictly for the amusement value of the sidwalk superintendants of the world. If you are that addicted to theatre than I suggest you move to Greece (and join the navy, rofl) Remember, innocent men are still convicted, and that could include any one of us. In the even that it did, the one saving grace might be that at least the means of putting you out would entail minimal suffering. That last think you'd wanna see is a bunch of guys wringing their hands in anticipation saying they were going to peel the guy with pliers then roll him in salt before drowining him in a vat of beer barf..
QUOTE: Originally posted by SchemerBob QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer I've always thought that a murderer should be executed the same way he killed his victims! Interesting idea. We could sit him on the track in Baring Missouri just as the Southwest Chief comes through at 90 miles an hour...[^][^][^]
QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer I've always thought that a murderer should be executed the same way he killed his victims!
QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear Too bad they don't still have the electric chair... LC
QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer It wasn't a suicide attempt! The idiot was trying to impress his girlfriend[:(!][:(!][:(!]!
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