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SO WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK
Posted by railfan619 on Monday, August 29, 2005 6:50 PM
I just read on the trains news wire that proscatuers are going to try to give. The guy that killed 11 people in that derailment back on. Jan 26 when he drove on to the train tracks and then decided not to die but frogot to move his truck before a southbound mertolink train came and struckit sending that train in to a parled Up train and then sending that into a northbound metrolink train. But he said that he did not mean to kill anyone when he did this. So now what does everybody else thinks about this news.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 29, 2005 7:05 PM
The newswire article stated that prosecutors were seeking the death penalty. Not surprisingly, the defense attorney said the death penalty was inappropriate "in his opinion" because the wreck occurred due to an aborted suicide attempt.

This is pretty normal pre-trial wrangling going on. What this tells me is that the District Attorney is not going to cut a deal for a guilty plea... and that the Defense Attorney would really, really like to plead his client out to a lesser series of charges. (11 counts of murder in the first degree is a pretty big set of charges to try and defend against.)

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Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, August 29, 2005 7:17 PM
It wasn't a suicide attempt! The idiot was trying to impress his girlfriend[:(!][:(!][:(!]!
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Posted by samfp1943 on Monday, August 29, 2005 7:56 PM
According to MSN's news, he had doused the vehicle with gas before he drove it onto the tracks, and then ran away, he should be accorded the same fate as those people he killed, I think he should be executed painfully, and slowly..But I guess since that is California, stupidity will have its own reward, some smooth mouth lawyer will get him some time in prison and then he will be released early, as rehibilitated...

 

 


 

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Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, August 29, 2005 7:59 PM
I've always thought that a murderer should be executed the same way he killed his victims!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 29, 2005 8:11 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer

It wasn't a suicide attempt! The idiot was trying to impress his girlfriend[:(!][:(!][:(!]!
I guess he did!!!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 29, 2005 8:16 PM
Too bad they don't still have the electric chair...

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 29, 2005 8:41 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

Too bad they don't still have the electric chair...

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Posted by Junctionfan on Monday, August 29, 2005 8:52 PM
I am personally partial to the ancient ways. Beheading by a master swordsman.
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Posted by SchemerBob on Monday, August 29, 2005 8:59 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer

I've always thought that a murderer should be executed the same way he killed his victims!


Interesting idea. We could sit him on the track in Baring Missouri just as the Southwest Chief comes through at 90 miles an hour...[^][^][^]
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Posted by Train Guy 3 on Monday, August 29, 2005 9:02 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer

I've always thought that a murderer should be executed the same way he killed his victims!


TG will second that motion![8]

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 29, 2005 9:16 PM
Just my opinion, but some of you guys are over the edge with your own selves.

Just because some jerk is beside himself with sadistic insanity, is NO REASON whatsoeverr for all of society to lower itself to that same LOW level.

If the accused is to be euthanized and LAWFULLY convicted, then they need to be put to death in the most painless, efficient method possible. And we DON'T need to devize threatrically horrendous means to kill them strictly for the amusement value of the sidwalk superintendants of the world. If you are that addicted to theatre than I suggest you move to Greece (and join the navy, rofl)

Remember, innocent men are still convicted, and that could include any one of us.

In the even that it did, the one saving grace might be that at least the means of putting you out would entail minimal suffering.

That last think you'd wanna see is a bunch of guys wringing their hands in anticipation saying they were going to peel the guy with pliers then roll him in salt before drowining him in a vat of beer barf..
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 29, 2005 9:20 PM
Quick everyone...hide your sense of humor.
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Posted by SchemerBob on Monday, August 29, 2005 9:36 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by SchemerBob

QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer

I've always thought that a murderer should be executed the same way he killed his victims!


Interesting idea. We could sit him on the track in Baring Missouri just as the Southwest Chief comes through at 90 miles an hour...[^][^][^]


NO! Really! I was serious! If we let these guys get away with stuff they'll probably just do it again sooner or later. Sure, he may have not meant to do it, but remember, HE DID!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 29, 2005 11:24 PM
Try sitting in the defendants chair for something you absolutely didn't do, while realizing that not a dam person on earth believes you, or even cares that you are innocent, then tell me how sharp your sense of humor is feeling. The pack mentality for conviction is an ugly emotion, not at all something good, or even funny.

I realize that is different from the guy in California, but still I don't think that justice is anything to be taken lightly......

Lets not forget how justified the judge, jury, and executioners felt back in Salem.
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Posted by SchemerBob on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:34 PM
I think someone here wants this guy to go free no mater what. I STILL do not think someone could do something like this by accident. I know it COULD happen but geez...he wrecked two commuter trains. Didn't they say he tried to stab himself before he drove onto the tracks? And I don't believe he "forgot" his car was on the tracks...not even for one second.

By the way, did he say he didn't mean to do it? He said he didn't want to kill anyone, yes, but he DIDN'T say it was an accident.
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Posted by espeefoamer on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:39 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates

Just my opinion, but some of you guys are over the edge with your own selves.

Just because some jerk is beside himself with sadistic insanity, is NO REASON whatsoeverr for all of society to lower itself to that same LOW level.

If the accused is to be euthanized and LAWFULLY convicted, then they need to be put to death in the most painless, efficient method possible. And we DON'T need to devize threatrically horrendous means to kill them strictly for the amusement value of the sidwalk superintendants of the world. If you are that addicted to theatre than I suggest you move to Greece (and join the navy, rofl)

Remember, innocent men are still convicted, and that could include any one of us.

In the even that it did, the one saving grace might be that at least the means of putting you out would entail minimal suffering.

That last think you'd wanna see is a bunch of guys wringing their hands in anticipation saying they were going to peel the guy with pliers then roll him in salt before drowining him in a vat of beer barf..

Why would'nt we want to see that[xx(]?
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Posted by railfan619 on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:43 PM
Your right TG we should sit him on a set of train tracks down where you live or up in my neck of the woods you know where the CP runs or even When the Empire builder comes though then he could feel what a train feels like when it hits him at oh say 95 or 100 mph then it would be one less person sitting on death row [:D][:D][:D]
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Posted by Train Guy 3 on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:07 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by railfan619

Your right TG we should sit him on a set of train tracks down where you live or up in my neck of the woods you know where the CP runs or even When the Empire builder comes though then he could feel what a train feels like when it hits him at oh say 95 or 100 mph then it would be one less person sitting on death row [:D][:D][:D]


Well if you've been convicted of murder and are gonna be executed that Empire Builder is a much faster death that the electric chair or lethal injection.... I think California might still use the gas chamber... but anyway the train option would be a much quicker way to go. And we'll spend less tax dollars to keep him on death row.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:52 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

I am personally partial to the ancient ways. Beheading by a master swordsman.

Televised on prime time. Talk about your "reality" programming.....
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:10 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates

Try sitting in the defendants chair for something you absolutely didn't do, while realizing that not a dam person on earth believes you, or even cares that you are innocent, then tell me how sharp your sense of humor is feeling. The pack mentality for conviction is an ugly emotion, not at all something good, or even funny.

I realize that is different from the guy in California, but still I don't think that justice is anything to be taken lightly......

Lets not forget how justified the judge, jury, and executioners felt back in Salem.

Agreed 100%. Especially when the conviction is based solely on "witnesses" and not hard evidence.

But the lower life form that caused this wreck did it deliberately. How can you possibly even consider lieniency? Would you feel so generous if he had used an AK-47 and shot all those people? He just used a different weapon; the result was the same.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:33 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer

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Why would'nt we want to see that[xx(]?


The point is, "pack mentality" fiending to want to see the accused suffer maximally, is barbaric.

If the guy is to be put ro death, then put him out swiftly, and be over with it. Torturing some guy to death as punishment just so a bunch of sadistic hacks can thrill over it is not something i want to be a part of the society I claim to be a member of.

I equate that type of mentality with the sort of folks who shove cherry bombs up cats rears and kick dogs to death with their new steel toe boots, "just to break them in"

No thank you!!

Side point being, you don't have to be guilty to be convicted in this country, accidents happen all the time.

now, i'm sure this guy in California is guilty...no doubt'

but, if we as a people devise a buncha sick "death by torture" penalties, under the assumption that only the guilty are convicted, and the guilty deserve whatever we can dream up .....what about the innocents who are wrongly convicted? Do they need to suffer maximally too?

Suppose I was a real sneaky guy, killed my neighbor, and managed to get the police to believe you did it? And, once suspicion was on you, it only serves my best interest to swear I saw you do it...but poor you, you were home alone that night so you have no credible alibi.

You get convicted, sentanced to death, and do you really wanna have to die in the most painful means possible, just so a buncha sadistic malcontents can pat each other on the back and exclaim "bo-ay..he shurrre got his'n,..huh?"...neither would I.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:42 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by equinox


Agreed 100%. Especially when the conviction is based solely on "witnesses" and not hard evidence.

But the lower life form that caused this wreck did it deliberately. How can you possibly even consider lieniency? Would you feel so generous if he had used an AK-47 and shot all those people? He just used a different weapon; the result was the same.


U'mmm I'm not really advocating "leniancy", i'm advocating that the towns folk put away their pitchforks and coaltar torches, and deal with the accused in a civilized fashion.

This 'pack mentality' of 'Lets sink him to the bottom of a gasoline filled swimming pool with lead boots, give him a reed to breath through, then set the surface on fire and watch the fun that follows"...is what I'm advocating against.

I'm sure the back slappers who comeup with that junk really enjoy themselves emmensely gaw fawing over it, but I feel it is wrong to make light of justice just for a chuckle
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Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 7:41 AM
Antigates -

I'm with you on this one. There is a difference between justice and vengance and vengance doesn't belong to us. Any Christian ought to know that.

I will admit it's hard not to give in to our sadistic nature, though, but that's no excuse. That's part of the reason we have laws instead of mob rule (mob rule would be democracy in action, no?)

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Posted by SchemerBob on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 8:33 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates

If the guy is to be put ro death, then put him out swiftly, and be over with it.


Hey, being hit by a 90 MPH+ train would be a VERY swift death, probably faster than anything else!
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Posted by edbenton on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:10 AM
Have you ever wonderd why Islamic nations have such low crime rates, if you are caught stealing they cut off your right hand caught again you learn to eat wth your feet! I know that the ACLU would have a feild day if we started to treat criminals that way but at least you dont have to worry about getting your car or anything else stolen. Murderers in Islamic nations have a shorter time to think about it they are beheaded in a public place. We call them barbaric and yet they have some of the lowest crime rates out there.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:11 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by oltmannd

Antigates -

I'm with you on this one. There is a difference between justice and vengance and vengance doesn't belong to us. Any Christian ought to know that.

I will admit it's hard not to give in to our sadistic nature, though, but that's no excuse. That's part of the reason we have laws instead of mob rule (mob rule would be democracy in action, no?)


Exactly!! The thought process of "vengeful mob" might be fun (for some) to play around with, banter about how they would administer justice if it was up to them... And it just makes me think how lucky I am to have the law to protect me from that side of the human experiance too.

It is truly bizaare how a persons guilt in a crime matters not so much as does an attorney's ability to convince 12 emotional people that the person committed the crime.

And, prosecutors often trump up their cases, "going for the gold" if you will, as though it were sport. Their thinking being that the courts can be so forgiving that opening the proceedings with inflated charges somehow offeres to balance the system.

I'm a big believer in law and order, and serving JUSTICE onto those responsibl.

But this mob mentality is truly the ugliest side of humanity I have ever seen.

What it boils down to is that the reality of guilt takes a back seat to the mobs desire to see evil punished,..ala Salem witch trials
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:20 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by SchemerBob

QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates

If the guy is to be put ro death, then put him out swiftly, and be over with it.


Hey, being hit by a 90 MPH+ train would be a VERY swift death, probably faster than anything else!


well, OK, but only if you promise to not enjoy watching too much...[:D]

Funny thing of it is, I have seen no hard factual proof if the crime was a botched suicide where the guy lost his nerve, or if it was indeed a malicious prank.

I've heard claims of both, and COULD believe both. but would like more information before concluding that which is not obvious. Simply because the police/prosecutor are CLAIMING the guy was not a failed suicidal, does not constitute "proof"

What would be ironic is if the guy WAS a failed suicial....and he ultimately gets put to death, getting the wish he didn't have the guts to pursue.

I think they should force the guy to live and make him be the one to take a putty knife and a mop out to crossing gate accidents and clean up the mess,,, his new "second job" for life... THAT would be justice in my book.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:38 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by edbenton

Have you ever wonderd why Islamic nations have such low crime rates, if you are caught stealing they cut off your right hand caught again you learn to eat wth your feet! I know that the ACLU would have a feild day if we started to treat criminals that way but at least you dont have to worry about getting your car or anything else stolen. Murderers in Islamic nations have a shorter time to think about it they are beheaded in a public place. We call them barbaric and yet they have some of the lowest crime rates out there.


Hey, true!! the islamic system of justice has certian advantages over ours,...yet we seem so determined to brand them terrorists and wipe out their culture so we can spawn another "democracy".

They see the way we do things, and want no part of it, they see us infidels as too tolerant upon indesireables...and they are right.

beheading a few infidels should be the lawful right of any soverign nation having jurisdiction over it's territory. Afterall, "freedom" is determined at a personal as well as collective level, right?

The problem I see with their ways is that stealing is also less likely to take place because a greater share of the population is dirt poor and has not much worth stealing. And when 'justice' is dispensed, is often an event when some poor slob from the masses gets caught stealing from the wealthy few... From what I have heard "justice belongs ro the wealthy" over there.

Except Iraq, of course, over there our brave men are fighting to bring choice to the iraqi people, just like we have here.....COMPLETE FREEDOM TO DECIDE whether it will be a liberal or a conservative to raise our taxes again next time. [}:)]
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Posted by SchemerBob on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:06 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates

I think they should force the guy to live and make him be the one to take a putty knife and a mop out to crossing gate accidents and clean up the mess,,, his new "second job" for life... THAT would be justice in my book.


That might be interesting!

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