QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer It wasn't a suicide attempt! The idiot was trying to impress his girlfriend[:(!][:(!][:(!]!
QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear Too bad they don't still have the electric chair... LC
QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer I've always thought that a murderer should be executed the same way he killed his victims!
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QUOTE: Originally posted by SchemerBob QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer I've always thought that a murderer should be executed the same way he killed his victims! Interesting idea. We could sit him on the track in Baring Missouri just as the Southwest Chief comes through at 90 miles an hour...[^][^][^]
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates Just my opinion, but some of you guys are over the edge with your own selves. Just because some jerk is beside himself with sadistic insanity, is NO REASON whatsoeverr for all of society to lower itself to that same LOW level. If the accused is to be euthanized and LAWFULLY convicted, then they need to be put to death in the most painless, efficient method possible. And we DON'T need to devize threatrically horrendous means to kill them strictly for the amusement value of the sidwalk superintendants of the world. If you are that addicted to theatre than I suggest you move to Greece (and join the navy, rofl) Remember, innocent men are still convicted, and that could include any one of us. In the even that it did, the one saving grace might be that at least the means of putting you out would entail minimal suffering. That last think you'd wanna see is a bunch of guys wringing their hands in anticipation saying they were going to peel the guy with pliers then roll him in salt before drowining him in a vat of beer barf..
QUOTE: Originally posted by railfan619 Your right TG we should sit him on a set of train tracks down where you live or up in my neck of the woods you know where the CP runs or even When the Empire builder comes though then he could feel what a train feels like when it hits him at oh say 95 or 100 mph then it would be one less person sitting on death row [:D][:D][:D]
QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan I am personally partial to the ancient ways. Beheading by a master swordsman.
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates Try sitting in the defendants chair for something you absolutely didn't do, while realizing that not a dam person on earth believes you, or even cares that you are innocent, then tell me how sharp your sense of humor is feeling. The pack mentality for conviction is an ugly emotion, not at all something good, or even funny. I realize that is different from the guy in California, but still I don't think that justice is anything to be taken lightly...... Lets not forget how justified the judge, jury, and executioners felt back in Salem.
QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer [i] Why would'nt we want to see that[xx(]? The point is, "pack mentality" fiending to want to see the accused suffer maximally, is barbaric. If the guy is to be put ro death, then put him out swiftly, and be over with it. Torturing some guy to death as punishment just so a bunch of sadistic hacks can thrill over it is not something i want to be a part of the society I claim to be a member of. I equate that type of mentality with the sort of folks who shove cherry bombs up cats rears and kick dogs to death with their new steel toe boots, "just to break them in" No thank you!! Side point being, you don't have to be guilty to be convicted in this country, accidents happen all the time. now, i'm sure this guy in California is guilty...no doubt' but, if we as a people devise a buncha sick "death by torture" penalties, under the assumption that only the guilty are convicted, and the guilty deserve whatever we can dream up .....what about the innocents who are wrongly convicted? Do they need to suffer maximally too? Suppose I was a real sneaky guy, killed my neighbor, and managed to get the police to believe you did it? And, once suspicion was on you, it only serves my best interest to swear I saw you do it...but poor you, you were home alone that night so you have no credible alibi. You get convicted, sentanced to death, and do you really wanna have to die in the most painful means possible, just so a buncha sadistic malcontents can pat each other on the back and exclaim "bo-ay..he shurrre got his'n,..huh?"...neither would I. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:42 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by equinox Agreed 100%. Especially when the conviction is based solely on "witnesses" and not hard evidence. But the lower life form that caused this wreck did it deliberately. How can you possibly even consider lieniency? Would you feel so generous if he had used an AK-47 and shot all those people? He just used a different weapon; the result was the same. U'mmm I'm not really advocating "leniancy", i'm advocating that the towns folk put away their pitchforks and coaltar torches, and deal with the accused in a civilized fashion. This 'pack mentality' of 'Lets sink him to the bottom of a gasoline filled swimming pool with lead boots, give him a reed to breath through, then set the surface on fire and watch the fun that follows"...is what I'm advocating against. I'm sure the back slappers who comeup with that junk really enjoy themselves emmensely gaw fawing over it, but I feel it is wrong to make light of justice just for a chuckle Reply Edit oltmannd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: Atlanta 11,971 posts Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 7:41 AM Antigates - I'm with you on this one. There is a difference between justice and vengance and vengance doesn't belong to us. Any Christian ought to know that. I will admit it's hard not to give in to our sadistic nature, though, but that's no excuse. That's part of the reason we have laws instead of mob rule (mob rule would be democracy in action, no?) -Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/) Reply SchemerBob Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Northeast Missouri 869 posts Posted by SchemerBob on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 8:33 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates If the guy is to be put ro death, then put him out swiftly, and be over with it. Hey, being hit by a 90 MPH+ train would be a VERY swift death, probably faster than anything else! Long live the BNSF .... AND its paint scheme. SchemerBob Reply edbenton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Back home on the Chi to KC racetrack 2,011 posts Posted by edbenton on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:10 AM Have you ever wonderd why Islamic nations have such low crime rates, if you are caught stealing they cut off your right hand caught again you learn to eat wth your feet! I know that the ACLU would have a feild day if we started to treat criminals that way but at least you dont have to worry about getting your car or anything else stolen. Murderers in Islamic nations have a shorter time to think about it they are beheaded in a public place. We call them barbaric and yet they have some of the lowest crime rates out there. Always at war with those that think OTR trucking is EASY. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:11 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by oltmannd Antigates - I'm with you on this one. There is a difference between justice and vengance and vengance doesn't belong to us. Any Christian ought to know that. I will admit it's hard not to give in to our sadistic nature, though, but that's no excuse. That's part of the reason we have laws instead of mob rule (mob rule would be democracy in action, no?) Exactly!! The thought process of "vengeful mob" might be fun (for some) to play around with, banter about how they would administer justice if it was up to them... And it just makes me think how lucky I am to have the law to protect me from that side of the human experiance too. It is truly bizaare how a persons guilt in a crime matters not so much as does an attorney's ability to convince 12 emotional people that the person committed the crime. And, prosecutors often trump up their cases, "going for the gold" if you will, as though it were sport. Their thinking being that the courts can be so forgiving that opening the proceedings with inflated charges somehow offeres to balance the system. I'm a big believer in law and order, and serving JUSTICE onto those responsibl. But this mob mentality is truly the ugliest side of humanity I have ever seen. What it boils down to is that the reality of guilt takes a back seat to the mobs desire to see evil punished,..ala Salem witch trials Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:20 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by SchemerBob QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates If the guy is to be put ro death, then put him out swiftly, and be over with it. Hey, being hit by a 90 MPH+ train would be a VERY swift death, probably faster than anything else! well, OK, but only if you promise to not enjoy watching too much...[:D] Funny thing of it is, I have seen no hard factual proof if the crime was a botched suicide where the guy lost his nerve, or if it was indeed a malicious prank. I've heard claims of both, and COULD believe both. but would like more information before concluding that which is not obvious. Simply because the police/prosecutor are CLAIMING the guy was not a failed suicidal, does not constitute "proof" What would be ironic is if the guy WAS a failed suicial....and he ultimately gets put to death, getting the wish he didn't have the guts to pursue. I think they should force the guy to live and make him be the one to take a putty knife and a mop out to crossing gate accidents and clean up the mess,,, his new "second job" for life... THAT would be justice in my book. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:38 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by edbenton Have you ever wonderd why Islamic nations have such low crime rates, if you are caught stealing they cut off your right hand caught again you learn to eat wth your feet! I know that the ACLU would have a feild day if we started to treat criminals that way but at least you dont have to worry about getting your car or anything else stolen. Murderers in Islamic nations have a shorter time to think about it they are beheaded in a public place. We call them barbaric and yet they have some of the lowest crime rates out there. Hey, true!! the islamic system of justice has certian advantages over ours,...yet we seem so determined to brand them terrorists and wipe out their culture so we can spawn another "democracy". They see the way we do things, and want no part of it, they see us infidels as too tolerant upon indesireables...and they are right. beheading a few infidels should be the lawful right of any soverign nation having jurisdiction over it's territory. Afterall, "freedom" is determined at a personal as well as collective level, right? The problem I see with their ways is that stealing is also less likely to take place because a greater share of the population is dirt poor and has not much worth stealing. And when 'justice' is dispensed, is often an event when some poor slob from the masses gets caught stealing from the wealthy few... From what I have heard "justice belongs ro the wealthy" over there. Except Iraq, of course, over there our brave men are fighting to bring choice to the iraqi people, just like we have here.....COMPLETE FREEDOM TO DECIDE whether it will be a liberal or a conservative to raise our taxes again next time. [}:)] Reply Edit SchemerBob Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Northeast Missouri 869 posts Posted by SchemerBob on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:06 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates I think they should force the guy to live and make him be the one to take a putty knife and a mop out to crossing gate accidents and clean up the mess,,, his new "second job" for life... THAT would be justice in my book. That might be interesting! Long live the BNSF .... AND its paint scheme. SchemerBob Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
[i] Why would'nt we want to see that[xx(]?
QUOTE: Originally posted by equinox Agreed 100%. Especially when the conviction is based solely on "witnesses" and not hard evidence. But the lower life form that caused this wreck did it deliberately. How can you possibly even consider lieniency? Would you feel so generous if he had used an AK-47 and shot all those people? He just used a different weapon; the result was the same.
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates If the guy is to be put ro death, then put him out swiftly, and be over with it.
QUOTE: Originally posted by oltmannd Antigates - I'm with you on this one. There is a difference between justice and vengance and vengance doesn't belong to us. Any Christian ought to know that. I will admit it's hard not to give in to our sadistic nature, though, but that's no excuse. That's part of the reason we have laws instead of mob rule (mob rule would be democracy in action, no?)
QUOTE: Originally posted by SchemerBob QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates If the guy is to be put ro death, then put him out swiftly, and be over with it. Hey, being hit by a 90 MPH+ train would be a VERY swift death, probably faster than anything else!
QUOTE: Originally posted by edbenton Have you ever wonderd why Islamic nations have such low crime rates, if you are caught stealing they cut off your right hand caught again you learn to eat wth your feet! I know that the ACLU would have a feild day if we started to treat criminals that way but at least you dont have to worry about getting your car or anything else stolen. Murderers in Islamic nations have a shorter time to think about it they are beheaded in a public place. We call them barbaric and yet they have some of the lowest crime rates out there.
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates I think they should force the guy to live and make him be the one to take a putty knife and a mop out to crossing gate accidents and clean up the mess,,, his new "second job" for life... THAT would be justice in my book.
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